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Pikapower!
August 18th, 2007, 04:18 PM
Non-legends and legends.

Non-Legend:Garchomp or Raichu (Volt-tackle and surf version.)
Legends:Azelf

Garchomp:Because of it's high atack and speed stats and how much it can own in Wi-Fi battles.
Azelf:Same reason. Weirdly, it can learn explosion naturally.o_O
Raichu:I don't need to explain it do I?

Necroexodia
August 19th, 2007, 05:11 AM
Non-Legend: Pikachu
Legend: Mewtwo + Mew

Nuke
August 19th, 2007, 05:15 AM
Non-Legend: Raichu or Kingdra.

Legend: Mew, Celebi, Lugia, Jirachi, Arceus.

Sweet Candace
August 19th, 2007, 05:30 AM
Best non-legend: PIKACHU !
Best Legend: None

Shinji_
August 19th, 2007, 05:47 AM
Best non Legend=Garchomp

Best Legend=Mewtwo

Willbey
August 19th, 2007, 05:49 AM
Best Non-legland: Salmence and Pikachu.
Best legland: Lugia And Rayquaza.

Sweet Candace
August 19th, 2007, 05:53 AM
The Pikachu I like is the PBR Pikachu (the Surfing-Volt Tackle Pikachu)

Shiraishi
August 19th, 2007, 06:00 AM
There is absolutely no such thing as the best pokemon of all time. Garchomp gets mauled by Starmie and DD mence with rapid spin support. Starmie gets massacred by electivire,electivire gets pwnt by Swampert..and so on.

Azonic
August 19th, 2007, 06:01 AM
There is absolutely no such thing as the best pokemon of all time. Garchomp gets mauled by Starmie and DD mence with rapid spin support. Starmie gets massacred by electivire,electivire gets pwnt by Swampert..and so on.

Its only asking for your favorite pokemon. Pikachu gets owned everyday.

Best Nonlegend: Sharpedo

Best Legend: Manaphy/darkrai

Shiraishi
August 19th, 2007, 06:05 AM
Oh kay..thats not the title but..

best non-legend:Juiced up electivire XD

Best legend:Mewtwo w/ aura sphere makes darkrai go bai bai!

Sweet Candace
August 19th, 2007, 06:17 AM
But, Mewtwo can't be BRED so he CAN'T learn Aura Sphere, you're WRONG cakekun !

Shiraishi
August 19th, 2007, 06:22 AM
Stupid. He learns aura sphere at lvl 100. As do most legends.

Sweet Candace
August 19th, 2007, 06:25 AM
Don't call me stupid, I'm reporting you, beacuse of that

Shiraishi
August 19th, 2007, 06:27 AM
I think the fact that you somewhat attacked me with caps is a good enough reason. Our flames were equal.

Cherrim
August 19th, 2007, 07:32 AM
Cool down, both of you. :x No formal warnings, but...

RunforSix - Even if you want to point out that someone is wrong, I'm sure you can find a nicer way to do it. No one likes being yelled at.

Cakekun - Don't take the bait. Again, if you have to tell someone he/she's wrong, do it without the name-calling.

Anti
August 19th, 2007, 07:35 AM
Croconaw is the best eva! The best legendary is Mewtwo, the original powerhouse, most-feared pokemon, and still the best after countless imitators.

Sweet Candace
August 19th, 2007, 07:39 AM
I like Mew, it's best legend, since, well, it can learn ALL TM's

But, I still think Pikachu is the best Pokemon (non-legend) ever !

Grovyle42(Griff8416)
August 19th, 2007, 07:41 AM
I think Treecko, Grovyle, and Sceptile are the best.

Anti
August 19th, 2007, 07:46 AM
Mewtwo and Mew were the original legends that all pokemon feared. The rest (besides hooh and lugia) are immitators. The Mew duo was the best!

Sweet Candace
August 19th, 2007, 08:21 AM
I wonder if they decided to fuse Mew's power with TM's and Mewtwo's attack power and all that, would it be the ultimate legend ?

Nuke
August 19th, 2007, 08:22 AM
Its only asking for your favorite pokemon. Pikachu gets owned everyday.

Best Nonlegend: Sharpedo

Best Legend: Manaphy/darkrai

Oh its fave pokemon.

Best Nonlegend: Typhlosion.

Best Legend: I cant decide either Mewtwo or Ho-Oh

Sweet Candace
August 19th, 2007, 08:26 AM
Pegiunpal, Sharpedo and Manaphy can be beaten by Pikachu, don't EVER underestimate that little yellow mouse !

Lone--Wanderer
August 19th, 2007, 09:15 AM
You're overestimating it, RunForSix. Pikachu sucks, even with a Light Ball.

Octillery is the best, I suppose; it's the Swiss Army Knife of Pokemon, being a Water-type that can learn Flamethrower.

Sweet Candace
August 19th, 2007, 09:18 AM
Pikachu (or any Electric type) can ebat Octillery, too. YOU'RE overestimating it

Lone--Wanderer
August 19th, 2007, 09:21 AM
Octillery has better stats overall than Pikachu. Pikachu has such bad defenses [30 base in Defense and 40 base in Special Defense, WTF] that even if it were EV-trained and had high IVs and the right Nature, it would fall immediately to any EV-trained, right Natured, high IV Octillery [105 base in both offensive stats]. As in, it fails in battles.

Go with Raichu; that actually poses a threat to stuff.

Sweet Candace
August 19th, 2007, 09:23 AM
I prove to everyone, I can beat you with a Pikachu, that's why I never evolve my Pikachu that I put in my team

Lone--Wanderer
August 19th, 2007, 09:26 AM
Do you do Competative battling, by any chance? Because if you mean in-game, anything can beat anything there. Stop being a n00b and open your eyes to the light that is the Serebii.net Pokedex:

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/224.shtml
VS
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/025.shtml

Jordan
August 19th, 2007, 09:28 AM
Legend: Arceus, duh!http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b232/Birdmandata/30.gif Custom Pokemon.
Non-Legend: Kingdra, nearly unbeatable, great in almost all stats.

Jordan.

Sweet Candace
August 19th, 2007, 09:29 AM
I make a planned team and I try to catch at least 6 different types. To me, Pikachu is one of the catchable Electric types worth raising to me

Lone--Wanderer
August 19th, 2007, 09:31 AM
Evolve it into Raichu and you are correct. Pikachu has crappy stats; it's only redeeming quality is it's Speed, but what's it going to do with it?

Owl
August 19th, 2007, 09:32 AM
Watch me base this off of pure cosmetics and totally ignore the battling aspect.. XD

Best legendary is Shaymin, for the cuteness factor. <3 Best non-legendary.. either Typhlosion, Drifblim, or.. well, I'm rather fond of Ninetails.

Sweet Candace
August 19th, 2007, 09:35 AM
Like you said, ANY Pokemon can ebat ANY other Pokemon, so Pikachu can beat Pokemon like Raichu

Lone--Wanderer
August 19th, 2007, 09:38 AM
No...Raichu can beat Pikachu with it's better Speed and better Special Attack. And better everything else. Even in-game, I don't think a Pikachu is going to be beating a Raichu of the same level with a half-decent moveset.

Sweet Candace
August 19th, 2007, 09:43 AM
I can, in LeafGreen, I beat Lt. Surge's Raichu, with Pikachu ! And it was 3 levels stronger and I still beat it !

Anti
August 19th, 2007, 09:43 AM
Really, that's just having the Ash mentality. If you truely want success, you need to evolve that pikachu, but lon--wanderer, let's not call people noobs. I always use Croconaw instead of Feraligatr. You'd be amazed at how well it can do. After Croconaw, my fav pokemon:
1. Croconaw!
2. Kingdra, the best dragon
3. Steelix
4. Scizor
5. Hypno
6. Poliwrath
7. Arcanine
8. Mewtwo
9. Umbreon
10. Blastoise

After steelix they're in no particular order, but go Croconaw!

EDIT: About Lt. Surge's Raichu, it is the AI. My dog could be the E4. Really, ingame trainers are worse than...my little sis, and she puts Iron Tail on milotic.

Sweet Candace
August 19th, 2007, 09:45 AM
I only evolve a Pikachu to get Raichu's data, every game I've Played, I've caught a Pikachu and have used it in my ingame team

♥~*Abby*~♥
August 19th, 2007, 04:07 PM
Best non-legend: PIKACHU !
Best Legend: None

u disturb me... i wanted 2 ask u 2 b my friend but after what u said, i think not.

nonlegand- RAICHU! DUH! :D
legand- mew...

Shiraishi
August 19th, 2007, 05:25 PM
Pikachu is slow so he gets mauled before he can use that monstrous Sp atk with light ball. Mewtwo is incredibly hard to wall. Blissey says hi to focus punch..

Waffle-San
August 19th, 2007, 05:48 PM
If your going by stats Tryannitar has the best stats probabley with Metagross in second but because of Tryannitars 4x weakness to fighting. Metagross takes the cake in stats and weaknesses.

But you could make arguments for Blissey, Dragonite/Salamence/Garchomp, Togekiss....etc.
In Red and Blue (not FireRed and LeafGreen) Cloyster was the best(when special was all one stat), Jinx was pretty good too.

Necroexodia
August 20th, 2007, 12:24 AM
why is everyone saying that Pikachu sucks? Pikachu owns, and if u evolve Pikachu strait away, then it doesn't learn any more of it's attacks, and 1 more thing... PIKACHU FTW!

nigioh
August 20th, 2007, 12:31 AM
My favourites are :

Non-legend:Sceptile

Legend:Entei

Sweet Candace
August 20th, 2007, 05:02 AM
why is everyone saying that Pikachu sucks? Pikachu owns, and if u evolve Pikachu strait away, then it doesn't learn any more of it's attacks, and 1 more thing... PIKACHU FTW!


Someone who agrees with me ! Finally !

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~
August 22nd, 2007, 01:38 PM
Legend: giratina
Non Legend: Drifblim and Banette


:t354:TG

Necroexodia
August 23rd, 2007, 12:06 AM
i'd agree with you sooner, but i only came along this when i posted

Shiraishi
August 23rd, 2007, 06:19 AM
Ew wtf. Pikachu sucks major arse. The PBR pikachu has a hardy nature so you can't max out speed. And to get jask support just for a pokemon that gets OHKOd by almost anything kinda sucks.

Sweet Candace
August 23rd, 2007, 06:24 AM
You just jealous that Pikachu's a very popular Pokemon and you jsut don;t like that

Necroexodia
August 23rd, 2007, 06:26 AM
yep, why does no1 like Pikachu? makes me soooooooo angry

Shiraishi
August 23rd, 2007, 06:32 AM
here is a GREAT exmaple:

I sometimes lead with Starmie so..

[insert name here] sends out Pikachu!
Go! Starmie!
*switches for electivire*
Pikachu used T-bolt!
Electivire's speed rose!
Electivire used Earthquake!
Pikachu fainted!
Even if you switch out my electivire would have 450 speed and his moves are super-effective against 13 types out of 17. Pikachu has bad base stats. He fails. jask support is useless on him because we have something called blissey.

Sweet Candace
August 23rd, 2007, 06:40 AM
You're very cheap, knowing that Starmie would be beaten by Pikachu, I just think that just very cheap

Necroexodia
August 23rd, 2007, 06:43 AM
and here's my example of a 3V3 battle:
opponent is Gary (not real Gary, just using him as name, allways do):
Gary sends out Kyogre
Go Pikachu
Kyogre special effect: make it rain
Pikachu uses Thunder
Kyogre use Water Pulse
Pikachu uses Thunder
Kyogre faints
Gary sent out Graveller
Pikachu uses Iron Tail
Graveller use Rock Tomb
Pikachu gets reduced speed
Pikachu uses Iron Tail
Greveller faints
Gary sends out Charizard
Pikachu uses Thunder
Charizard uses Flamethrower
Pikachu gets a burn
Pikachu is hurt by burn, Pikachu has 34 health left
Charizard has 77 health left
Pikachu uses Volt Tackle
Charizard faints
Pikachu wins

wasn't that cool?
Pikachu owned them all!!!!!!!!!!!!
PIKACHU OWNS!!!!!!!!!!

Shiraishi
August 23rd, 2007, 06:47 AM
A kyogre with water pulse would OHKO a pikachu in rain. Go do some friggin damage calculations. That wasn't cool, that was pure fiction. And Dawnfanboy that was "cheap" thats called STRATEGY. So much ppl here are lacking at competetive battling D: Kinda sad.

Necroexodia
August 23rd, 2007, 06:50 AM
Nope, you didn't know the pokemon's levels, and you didn't know what the Pokemon's items we're *hint*

Sweet Candace
August 23rd, 2007, 06:50 AM
Rain, Pikachu can blast Kyogre with a Thunder

Necroexodia
August 23rd, 2007, 06:51 AM
he did, but Kyogre survived the hit :(

Shiraishi
August 23rd, 2007, 06:57 AM
Kyogre is a special tank, levels are meaningless because there is something called lvl 100 battles. Kyogre can outspeed pikachu. Unfortunately, Marriland's dmg calculator does not include weather so I can't factor in the rain.

Necroexodia
August 23rd, 2007, 07:00 AM
I also said something about items, not just levels

Shiraishi
August 23rd, 2007, 07:01 AM
Light ball? Kyogre would STILL survive.

Necroexodia
August 23rd, 2007, 07:04 AM
nope, no light ball, wanna try another guess?

Shiraishi
August 23rd, 2007, 07:06 AM
Light ball is the best item for pikachu. Anything else is major fail.

Necroexodia
August 23rd, 2007, 07:07 AM
yh, but i've never got 1 before (except from action reply codes) so i couldn't have used 1

Sweet Candace
August 23rd, 2007, 07:08 AM
cakekun, you're just jealous that Pikachu's a cool Pokemon. And I DON'T CARE what you say !

Grovyle42(Griff8416)
August 23rd, 2007, 07:09 AM
I'm going to say Treecko and evos.

Sweet Candace
August 23rd, 2007, 07:10 AM
They're good, but Pika and Pachi are my favorites, and Pachi's pretty powerful, too

Shiraishi
August 23rd, 2007, 07:11 AM
Just battle an experienced, open minded good trainer and watch pikachu get slaughtered >_>

Necroexodia
August 23rd, 2007, 07:11 AM
can i just ask 1 question? who is Pachi? and i've battled experienced trainers, have beaten many, most lost to my Pika Power

Sweet Candace
August 23rd, 2007, 07:14 AM
Pachi=Pachirisu, I like abbreivating some Pokemon
cakekun--You just don't know, heavily training a Pikachu with EV's and IV's, Pikachu can be really powerful

J-Rad
August 23rd, 2007, 07:14 AM
I prove to everyone, I can beat you with a Pikachu, that's why I never evolve my Pikachu that I put in my team

YEah likes that's ever gonna happen.

I'll pwn ur pikachu w/ my three favs.
Weavile (jsut pwns w/ ice punch)
Dragonite (EQ!!!)
Typhlosion (just burn the mouse down w/ flamethrower!)

Sweet Candace
August 23rd, 2007, 07:17 AM
If Pika doesn't survive, I bring out my tanks

Rayquaza--Shames your precious Dragonite
Swampert--Water and Ground=Bad for Typhlosion
Blaziken--Fire and Fighting=Bad for your Weavile

I like using all my others when Pika fails

Necroexodia
August 23rd, 2007, 07:18 AM
lol, i deleted that part off cus that part was kinda cheating :P, and maybe you cold, not saying you couldn't, i have other pokemon aswell though FYI, and Pachi is kinda cute, still prefer Pika, nice, you have Rayquazza, own that blasted Dragonite of his :D

Shiraishi
August 23rd, 2007, 07:18 AM
Finally, someone with actual knowledge of battling D: You realize that training an Electivire with 31 IVs in attack is better Dawnfanboy? XD

Rayquaza is uber, ur probably a Nuber.
Blaziken is slow as hell for a sweeper and dies to Weavile's aerial ace.
If Typlosion survives an EQ he can sunny-solarbeam. Which most of them have due to his crappy movepool.

J-Rad
August 23rd, 2007, 07:20 AM
If Pika doesn't survive, I bring out my tanks

Rayquaza--Shames your precious Dragonite
Swampert--Water and Ground=Bad for Typhlosion
Blaziken--Fire and Fighting=Bad for your Weavile

I like using all my others when Pika fails

Yeah whenever I send out typhlosion the firdsts move I always use it sunny day so when u switch to swmpert I killu w/ solar beam Muhahahaha

Rayquaza is an uber and i'm anti-uber so u couldn't use it in battle

Blaziken -arial ace kill u

Sweet Candace
August 23rd, 2007, 07:20 AM
You can't pierce my thinking ! Pikachu rules end of story !

*sobs in corner*

Sorry for double posting, BUT I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU SAY ! You've never battled me, so you can't judge a person you haven't battled yet

Necroexodia
August 23rd, 2007, 07:22 AM
when you say anti-uber, u mean non-legendaries?

Shiraishi
August 23rd, 2007, 07:24 AM
Yeah whenever I send out typhlosion the firdsts move I always use it sunny day so when u switch to swmpert I killu w/ solar beam Muhahahaha

Rayquaza is an uber and i'm anti-uber so u couldn't use it in battle

Blaziken -arial ace kill u

Look at my post before urs XD exact same movesets. Pikachu would be good(WITH LIGHT BALL) if he had some speed but he doesn't so he fails horribly D: Thats the sad truth. Deal with it.

Sweet Candace
August 23rd, 2007, 07:25 AM
Never ! I will never deal with that logic, I have my own !

Shiraishi
August 23rd, 2007, 07:28 AM
But your logic sucks ._. It's biased, flawed..Deoxys-F ftw.

Necroexodia
August 23rd, 2007, 07:29 AM
Pikachu owns, deal with it. sorry, but that's the truth, and you talking about logic? HA!

dark1
August 23rd, 2007, 07:31 AM
somebody want ot trade darkraie

Sweet Candace
August 23rd, 2007, 07:31 AM
I said I don't care, I have my own logic and you do, too. But I don't want to listen to your logic

Shiraishi
August 23rd, 2007, 07:32 AM
That attack will do between 285 and 335 damage! Thats what I got on the damage calculator between Kyogre and Pikachu. AND THATS WITHOUT RAIN. I used Surf because only a moron would put Water pulse instead of Surf/Water spout on a Kyogre. HOLY CRAP! It's fact! You factor in base stats,movepool and typing to figure out how good a pokemon is =_=

The Overlord
August 23rd, 2007, 07:33 AM
I had some laughs now back to the trading place.x3

Sweet Candace
August 23rd, 2007, 07:34 AM
You just jealous Pikachu rules, end of story

Shiraishi
August 23rd, 2007, 07:44 AM
I used a damage calculator you used nothing :x Yay for facts!

Sweet Candace
August 23rd, 2007, 07:47 AM
I don't care ! I don't care what you say ! What you say isn't important to me !

Necroexodia
August 23rd, 2007, 07:47 AM
i believe *end of story* means drop it, that's the end

Sweet Candace
August 23rd, 2007, 08:07 AM
Yeah, cakekun, I siad that several times and you didn't choose to listen to me and you continued to rant about this

RAWR ^_^
August 23rd, 2007, 08:35 AM
Best Non Legend :- Mime Jr Or Dragonite
Best Legend :- Cressila Or Mew

I Mean, You've Got To Love Mime Jr.

Sweet Candace
August 23rd, 2007, 10:14 AM
Mime Jr, isn't very powerful since it's a baby Pokemon, really

Necroexodia
August 23rd, 2007, 10:25 AM
yeah, but Mime Jr. is kinda funny tho :)

Googlebug
August 23rd, 2007, 10:27 AM
I really like Gengar and Aggron. I dont know why really. My favorite legend is Dialga by far.

Sweet Candace
August 23rd, 2007, 10:29 AM
Yeah Mime Jr. is funny, but not that strong

Dialga ? Even Arcues is better, really. Personally, Mew's the best

Googlebug
August 23rd, 2007, 10:31 AM
Exuse me, but this is just my opinion not for people to argue on- Googlebug.

Sweet Candace
August 23rd, 2007, 10:35 AM
Sorry, but Aruces is the god of creation and Mew can learn all TM's

Googlebug
August 23rd, 2007, 10:37 AM
Ok I see your point. Still I didnt really say anything about strength or weaknesses I just said its my favorite legend.- Googlebug.

Necroexodia
August 23rd, 2007, 10:43 AM
Mew and Mewtwo are equel in power (on anime, dunno about games) and they have every move (again on anime) so on anime, Mew and Mewtwo are definatelly the best, but i'm not sure on the game, cus on game, the weakest can be strongest lol, Mewtwo/Mew faints on game, on anime they are indestructable, and also on game Mew doesn't obey, so it depends if you're going on about anime or game, since they will have a different answer

Sweet Candace
August 23rd, 2007, 11:03 AM
Well, that makes sense. But, I like Mew, it's cuter than the other Kanto legends

Yay ! 400th post !

Necroexodia
August 23rd, 2007, 11:10 AM
*chears* Mew is 1 of the cutest of Pokemon, and he's funny fighting Mewtwo, while Mewtwo is talking to him, Mew is just looking around ignoring him, Mew is cuter, Mewtwo is cooler, IMO

Sweet Candace
August 23rd, 2007, 11:13 AM
Yeah, but I like Mew better than Mewtwo

TotoRitaQuil
August 23rd, 2007, 11:13 AM
legend:Latias
Non legend: charizard, empoleon,and meganium

Sweet Candace
August 23rd, 2007, 11:17 AM
I'm not partial to thinking the starters are the best, I think some of the non-startes (ala Pikachu) are better

Necroexodia
August 23rd, 2007, 11:33 AM
Pika was Ash's Starter, does that make it a starter or not?

Tutwiglup
August 23rd, 2007, 11:42 AM
Non legend= evee an all its evos
legend girantina or possibly mewtwo

Sweet Candace
August 23rd, 2007, 12:07 PM
Everyone has differnent opinions, but some might be angered by other's choices

Death Rogers
August 23rd, 2007, 12:23 PM
Non-Legend: Blaziken
Legend: Latios

♥~*Abby*~♥
August 24th, 2007, 03:20 PM
and here's my example of a 3V3 battle:
opponent is Gary (not real Gary, just using him as name, allways do):
Gary sends out Kyogre
Go Pikachu
Kyogre special effect: make it rain
Pikachu uses Thunder
Kyogre use Water Pulse
Pikachu uses Thunder
Kyogre faints
Gary sent out Graveller
Pikachu uses Iron Tail
Graveller use Rock Tomb
Pikachu gets reduced speed
Pikachu uses Iron Tail
Greveller faints
Gary sends out Charizard
Pikachu uses Thunder
Charizard uses Flamethrower
Pikachu gets a burn
Pikachu is hurt by burn, Pikachu has 34 health left
Charizard has 77 health left
Pikachu uses Volt Tackle
Charizard faints
Pikachu wins

wasn't that cool?
Pikachu owned them all!!!!!!!!!!!!
PIKACHU OWNS!!!!!!!!!!


im going to ignore u. neways, draginite rox. good stats, good moves. along w/raichu, duh. HEY LOOK, ITS DEATH ROGERS! HI DEATH ROGERS! I STILL REMEMBER U 4 SUM REASON!

Kyaru-san
August 25th, 2007, 01:56 AM
Non: Raichu of course and Eevee and Mewtwo
Legend: Lugia and Mew
I would say Mewtwo but everyone here me out.........MEWTWO IS NOT A LEGENDARY POKEMON HE'S NOT EVEN A LEGEND..Mewtwo was created by the DNA of Mew which mean he made by human the game was based 1995 and the bio said he was created in 1990 and you can't make yourself Legend like that. So it's clearly stated that he's not Legendary but I will say he's the Undisputed Pokemon of them all

Zaiku
August 25th, 2007, 06:10 AM
Non-legend: Charizard, Gallade and Skarmory

Legend: Articuno and Jirachi

Yeah, that's pretty much it dudes and dudettes.

MV
August 26th, 2007, 01:08 PM
dragonite or charizard ftw!