charbelcher deck

[KLS]

ok so you guyz wanna know the combo to an instant win
ok here it is
you need a whole **** load of blue spells like counterspell,mana leak,accumulated knowlede,(etc)
get a charbelcher into play
U NEED A MANA SEVERANCE
for the lands get at least 16 and 1 of them has to be a mountain
so here's the combo
remove all your mana except the mountain
and can you say "i charbelched yo @$$"

[digi-kun]

um....i think Kenny already commented this combo in my burn daeck thread sry :P

[Kenny_C.002]

Okay. commenton the real thing.

First of all, you need only like 8 counterspells in total. all you really need to push through are tinker (btw, you're stuck with reshape if you're playing in tourneys...) and mana severence anyway.

Second, you REMOVE ALL OF THE LANDS FROM YOUR LIBRARY to deal X damage to target player, where X is the number of cards in your library (rather than leaving the mountain. You also can rearrange your entire deck every time (STACKING!!!!). lol

Anyway, I've seen this go off on turn 2 b4, using city of traitors, talismans, chrome mox, tutors, etc. This version was the aggro version taht doesn't run counterspells (rather it uses tinkersand stuff) Yup, too much rares. :P

[KLS]

oh but
you'll deck out if you dont have that 1 mana
i've checked with this

[Kenny_C.002]

Really? See I was watching PT when the whole removal thing happened, so I assumed it was okay. I guess they changed the ruling since then (cuz back then they're saying you are not actually drawing/removing the cards from the library, thus it works. They were comparing this with stuff like scry, for example). I guess they changed the rulings, then. :P

[KLS]

yeah so that's why you should always have the 1 mountain
i was pissed myself but oh well...

[Kenny_C.002]

Yup. If that's the case, then you'll need the one mountain.

[KLS]

but a downfall is what if you draw the mountain?
any suggestions here?

[Kenny_C.002]

Technically speaking, the chances of that is quite slim. I don't think it'll be too much of a problem after the first charbelch, anyway. If you want, you can always leave 2 mountains instead.

[KLS]

2 lol
just for backup
yeah i see how it works
but still there's gotta be something that'll work with it

[Kenny_C.002]

yup. Of course. But the problem may still apply, just at a smaller scale.

[KLS]

IMO
2 mouintains = too much space
lol

[Kenny_C.002]

Exactly. But I'm guessing removal of 1 island for the mountain might be alright.

[KLS]

you know your right
but you wouldn't want to go over board like replace 1/2 of the island with mountains
otherwise you'd be screwed

[Kenny_C.002]

of course. You only need like 2 mountains anyway. 3 tops for security.

[KLS]

no just 2 would do it because in this deck you'd only have like 18 mana

[Kenny_C.002]

Yeah, 16 islands does sound quite risky. Tho, I'd recommend taking 4 islands out for 4 ancient tomes...

[KLS]

no not really because in that deck i used a talisman of dominance incase you dunno what it is
it's a 2 to cast artifact
tap:add 1 colorless mana
tap:add a blue mana or a black mana,you lose 1 life

[Kenny_C.002]

It deals damage to you rather than you lose the life. There's a difference...small difference. :P

And that's why 12 islands with 4 ancient tomes are better! :P

[KLS]

ancient tomes are suicidal but what the **** i'll go with 'em and sideboard talisman of dominance

[Kenny_C.002]

Ancient tomes make insane mana acceleration. I know, cuz I've seen the 4 anceitn toome charbelcher deck (u know, turn 2 kills).

[KLS]

oh...
holy crap!
i liked the talismans oh well

[Kenny_C.002]

Yeah. The second thing is the fact that the turn 2 version also runs 4 talismans. lol

[KLS]

well mostly cause it produced blue/black

[Kenny_C.002]

It's the blue mana for severance, that's why.

[KLS]

meh
that's why i had them islands

[Kenny_C.002]

Not if you want the 2nd turn kills. You need the acceleration to tinker, severance, and activate charbelcher on turn 2. That's 8 mana. I'll show u the turns:

play tome, tap
play talisman, tap
play mana vault

turn 2
play an island. tap, tap tome and talisman (pain), tap vault (6 mana)
pay 3 mana to tinker talisman. (3 mana)
pay 1 mana for grim monolothe or vault (2 mana)
tap all. (5 mana)
play severance
activate charbelcher

game.

[KLS]

tinker is really expensive

[Kenny_C.002]

Tinker costs 3 to play. The thing can fetch cards like darksteel collosus for 3. Platinum Angel for 3! Really, it's way undercosted for what it does!

Well that's the reason why it's banned anyway...

[KLS]

no i meaned it was really expensive
as in the cost of the money

[Kenny_C.002]

oh of course. It IS banned. lol

Anythign banned is expensive due to its power.

[KLS]

arggg.
darksteel colossus is so expensive

[Kenny_C.002]

lol

Collosus is always expensive. :P

Then again, I'd rather be playing something like burning wish (you can get like 3 for the price of 1 collosus lol) for that price...

[KLS]

t&n darksteel collosus and platinum angel
and your invincible

[Kenny_C.002]

*cough*altar's light*cough*

Anyway, you're invincible when fountain watch, darksteel forge, mycolythe (sp?) lattice, and platinum angel are on the field. :P

[KLS]

oh yeah leonin abunas too
and then your invincible

[Kenny_C.002]

Shave the cost by 1! YEAH! :P

[KLS]

but why would anyone use abunas for the sole purpose of that?