what do you think of people who use...

[rocklee666]

legendaries and ubers. What do you think of them. My cousin Mark(weve been playing for 5 years together) always tells me to use legendary pokemon and that there stronger than any other pokemon out there. I don't believe so..I think people that give legendaries too much credit are way too lazy to make their own team.same with ubers. but he did train all of his poke's. their strong.

[ufo]

by stats and movepool legendaries and ubers are generally stronger... that is the reason that they are placed in a separate class... although they are considered stronger that does nto mean that they cannot be defeated by pokemon in lower classes

[AnimeDDR110]

i don't like them. they all know they are much stronger against your regular pokemon thats not fair. unless you play shoddy battle and most of your pokemon know destiny bond and have high speed (GO FROSSLASS!)

[Tricky]

I think if someone has one legendary or uber, 'cause they happen to like it, that's no big deal... But having an entire team of them is cheap and unoriginal in my opinion.

[TwilightBlade]

I think if someone has one legendary or uber, 'cause they happen to like it, that's no big deal... But having an entire team of them is cheap and unoriginal in my opinion.

Yeah, I agree with that. I'm fine with 1 to possibly 3 at the most, but a full team is pathetic. Playing with your favorites is really the whole point of the game; not with the strongest. Don't believe that well ah stick a fork up ye. xO

[Konoro]

I have a ubber team, just for fun...
I think ubber are too strong to get into a normal battle, my Mewtwo Lv. 75 can one shot the whole Pokemon league (except 2 pokemon and the Dark's ones), and my Chimecho Lv. 87 can hardly two-shot one.

I Don't think people using them are bad, but they could be more "fair play".

[Shiny Umbreon]

This discussion is really for the S&M forum.

-MOVED-

[J_zero]

Many ppl think tht the ones that use Legends, are cheaters or cowards, or anything...they basically see those ppl from a different point of view, but there is nothing wrong on using legendarie pokemons, :) theyre pokemons, and u can use any pokemon u want in battles :) u dont neeed to get judged by that :) anyways i think theyre doin wht they like, and thteyre doin just great :)

[sims796]

Well, ubers and legends are totally different. Ubers are frowned upon because they are so strong, the only plausable way to counter one is to use another one. Making the game unbalanced. People who votes for ubers seem to disregard that fact.

[Kayashi]

From the way I see it, ubers were made strong for the story of the game. They were mentioned as "god" pokemon err something like that.

Ubers are cheap since Pokemon like Mewtwo and Dialga have a soaring 150 and 154 Special Attack, Mewtwo gains Speed.

Its unfair, I never use ubers, but I do use my fair share of Legendaries.

[Smarties-chan]

by stats and movepool legendaries and ubers are generally stronger... that is the reason that they are placed in a separate class... although they are considered stronger that does nto mean that they cannot be defeated by pokemon in lower classes
Why is it that everyone seems to think ubers and legendaries are the same thing? Most legendaries are actually outclassed by normal Pokémon. Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres, for example, are all fairly weak because bad typing and movepools. Mesprit has a high base stat total, but its stats are scattered all over the place making it pretty useless whereas Uxie is great at walling, but can't do much else than take damage. Same goes for Registeel and Cresselia. Entei suffers from a bad physical movepool and Raikou and Suicune just get creamed in ubers. Regirock has good Attack and decent defensive stats, but its movepool isn't anything special and it has a lot of common weaknesses due to its Rock type and the list goes on...

Ubers, however, are a completely different matter. They often have extremely wide movepools and insane base stats that are in some cases combined with an awesome ability as well.

I have nothing against ubers as long as uber users stay to their own metagame and there's absolutely no reason to dislike people who use normal legendaries. I'm currently making an uber team just because the uber metagame is very different from all the other metagames and playing ubers is a way to make your ubers do something else than just sit in your boxes never to be taken out.

[sims796]

Thank you. Maybe you should sticky that post. But honestly, anyone who uses ubers normally, such as on Pokemon Battle Revolution, are probably kids who doesn't know any better, or casual players. They, even with ubers, are no real threat.

[Uber+Cool]

Whats the difference between ubers and legendaries? But really i think its fine to use ubers or legenderies but legendaries have a fatal flaw which the opponent can take advantage of

[sims796]

Whats the difference between ubers and legendaries? But really i think its fine to use ubers or legenderies but legendaries have a fatal flaw which the opponent can take advantage of

Smarties-kun's post explains the difference between the two.

[Te-em]

I train and use any Pokémon. Even if they're weak I just train them to be stronger. And strong Pokémon I train to be even stronger. But when me and my friends battled we used only 1 uber or 2 legendary each.

[shedinjask]

Smarties-kun has won the thread. Everyone read his (her?) post.

[sims796]

I know, shedinjask, everyone seems to ignore it.

[rocklee666]

yes, smarties-kun posts has really done the trick....Why does everybody ignore it? BAKA'S!

[Lone--Wanderer]

Don't use random Japanese words in English sentances. I know what it means, and I'm sure a lot of other people know what it means, but using it doesn't make you cool or anything. Just weeaboo.

...Sorry, but that kind of thing just bugs me a bit.

[n3croart]

Yeah.. legendaries and ubers = different class. I reckon ubers should be banned. legenadries are part of ther metagame. Personally, i don't like ubers and legendaries.

[Myoko-chan]

Another thing to add is that not everyone has acess to the better ubers like Deoxys or Darkrai.

[Te-em]

Ubers are also called Unobtainables, since you cannot find them in the game.

[Kayashi]

No they're not called unobtainables. What about Dialga, Groudon, and Lati@s? You can clearly find them in-game.

[Me2UJus4Free]

No they're not called unobtainables. What about Dialga, Groudon, and Lati@s? You can clearly find them in-game.

Those aren't ubbers.

The only ubbers in the game are Arcues, Deoxys, and Darkai and yes, they do fall under the category of "Unobtainable".

[AztecSunshine]

Those aren't ubbers.

The only ubbers in the game are Arcues, Deoxys, and Darkai and yes, they do fall under the category of "Unobtainable".

yes they are ubers all of those are ubers:
arceus
mew
dialga
palkia
groudon
kyogre
deoxys (all forms)
wobbofet(sp?)
rayquaza
ho-oh
lugia
manphy
darkrai
mewtwo
girtina


and the most powerfull:bidoof

[Kayashi]

Those aren't ubbers.

The only ubbers in the game are Arcues, Deoxys, and Darkai and yes, they do fall under the category of "Unobtainable".

a ha ha. Dialga isn't uber? All three were uber.

Unobtainable does not mean uber. You're wrong.

And Yanmega... the most powerful one is Budew, not Bidoof XD

[AztecSunshine]

a ha ha. Dialga isn't uber? All three were uber.

Unobtainable does not mean uber. You're wrong.

And Yanmega... the most powerful one is Budew, not Bidoof XD

rofl, and i forgot to add lati@s with soul dou(sp?) are ubers to

[Me2UJus4Free]

a ha ha. Dialga isn't uber? All three were uber. Unobtainable does not mean uber. You're wrong.

So how much you know. you just don't want to admit that your wrong. else, you can get an Auroraticket, a Member's Card, and an Azure Flute in normal game play.

There are three different categories of Legendaries (Before Elite Four, After Elite Four, and the Unobtainable) and four sub categories (Legendary Trio, Version Mascot, Cute, and Ubber). Legendary Trio and Version Mascot fall underneath the category of Before elite Four and Cute and Ubbers fall underneath the category of Unobtainable.

And if I am correct, isn't Dialga a version mascot?

So, yeah, the only Pokemon qualifying for Ubbers are Pokemon with crazy amount of base stats, and cannot be caught in game.

[sims796]

Me2U, you're mistaken. Dailgia IS an uber that is caught ingame. Giratina is an uber caught ingame. Wobbufet doesn't have "insane stats" but is definetly uber. Read Smarties kun's post. That isn't his opinion. It's fact.

[Smarties-chan]

Yeah.. legendaries and ubers = different class. I reckon ubers should be banned. legenadries are part of ther metagame. Personally, i don't like ubers and legendaries.
Ubers are part of their own metagame as well. <.< Hence the name ''Ubers'' for one of the metagames.
So how much you know. you just don't want to admit that your wrong. else, you can get an Auroraticket, a Member's Card, and an Azure Flute in normal game play.

There are three different categories of Legendaries (Before Elite Four, After Elite Four, and the Unobtainable) and four sub categories (Legendary Trio, Version Mascot, Cute, and Ubber). Legendary Trio and Version Mascot fall underneath the category of Before elite Four and Cute and Ubbers fall underneath the category of Unobtainable.

And if I am correct, isn't Dialga a version mascot?

So, yeah, the only Pokemon qualifying for Ubbers are Pokemon with crazy amount of base stats, and cannot be caught in game.
What the heck are you talking about? Ubers are not only unobtainable Pokémon, any Pokémon that has a clear advantage against most others counts as an uber. And yes, this includes Groudon, Kyogre, the Latis, Giratina, Dialga, Palkia and others. Shaymin and Celebi are both unobtainable in any of the games by normal means, (excluding the earliest Japanese release of D/P) but none of them are ubers.

Why is it that I even bother writing this? If you don't even read all posts or just ignore once that state you're wrong then why should I expect you to listen now? =\

[Te-em]

Look at the end of this page http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mewtwo_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29
There you got the legendary trios, the legends for the game version, pokemon after the elite four (ubers or not), and the unobtainables.

[Medieval]

No legendaries. If you catch a Legendary and compare it with a Pokemon that you raised from level 2 to the legendary's level, watch the results. The Pokemon you raised is better.

[sims796]

Look at the end of this page http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mewtwo_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29
There you got the legendary trios, the legends for the game version, pokemon after the elite four (ubers or not), and the unobtainables.

That has got to nothing to do with ubers. How you obtain the pokes does not quality them as ubers.

[Te-em]

It says Deoxys, Darkurai and Arcus are ubers.

[sims796]

And Shaymin, & Celebii are not, despite being unobtainable.

[Te-em]

Deoxys and Arceus are ubers, but I don't understand why they say Darkurai is. I think Dialga/Palkia have better base stats than him. Anyway, legendaries and ubers have higher stats, but they cannot breed so its harder to get one with high IV.
But I still don't think it's fair that only few people get these Pokémon. Why doesn't Nintendo let all pokemon gamers have them? I Still have no Celebe for my Silver version and no Mew/Selebii for my GBA games. I don't want them just because they are strong, I want them because they're Pokémon, too. I train ubers and normal pokemon alike. And I want Darkurai because it's my favorite pokemon, not because it's uber/legendary.

[Shinji_]

I think people that use Uber Legendarys are nubs that think they can own everyone with pre-trained pokemon instead of working with hard sweat and having fun doing it mind you to gain a good team without legends.

[Myoko-chan]

WOW, I really lol at the amount of n00bs that got in this thread.

Ok calm down pplz.

Celebi is not an uber.
Just because bulbapedia says so, you have to obey it?
Legendary Categories has NOTHING to do with obtaining them.
Non-uber legendaries have the same base stats as the non pokemon.(Eg. Cresselia has the same amount of base stats as Garchomp)
Yes, Dialga and Palkia do have more base stats than Darkrai, but it is considered uber due to the sleep combinations it can do, which can easily pwn Dialga or Palkia.

[Te-em]

WOW, I really lol at the amount of n00bs that got in this thread.

Ok calm down pplz.

Celebi is not an uber.
Just because bulbapedia says so, you have to obey it?
Legendary Categories has NOTHING to do with obtaining them.
Non-uber legendaries have the same base stats as the non pokemon.(Eg. Cresselia has the same amount of base stats as Garchomp)
Yes, Dialga and Palkia do have more base stats than Darkrai, but it is considered uber due to the sleep combinations it can do, which can easily pwn Dialga or Palkia.

They don't say Celebe is an uber, they say it's an Unobtainable and 'cute'.

[Te-em]

Ok, Serebii then. Or whatever, its supposed to mean celestial being . . .
celestial being
but ok, I wont use any romanisation.

[Te-em]

No, not celestial being. Celebe.
But if it does not mean celestial being, what does it mean. Anyway, I'll call it Serebii from now on.
And the ubers at bulbapedia are only the legendary pokémon that are ubers. There are probably ubers among the usual pokemon as well.
Ubers are just Pokémon with high stats and abilities. They don't have to be legendary, even if many of them are. Bulbapedia just listed the legendary ubers (you see the text legendary above all of them). I don't know any non-legenday ubers though.

I don't know what they mean by 'cute' but it's probably Mew-like pokemon.

They say there are three different kinds of legendary. Pokémon of Legend are pokemon from legends (like Groudon), Pokémon of Illusion are those very rare so people don't know if they exist (like Mew) and they're Unobtainable, and Pokémon of Myth (some from Shinou).

[sims796]

Sorry, but thats all pure crap. What has "cuteness" and "the three classes of legends" got to do with ubers? Stop quoting Bulbapedia.

You're definition of ubers is close, very much so. But you should add in the word "Mixture" between high stats, & abilities.

[Te-em]

Sorry, but thats all pure crap. What has "cuteness" and "the three classes of legends" got to do with ubers? Stop quoting Bulbapedia.




I thought of legendary ubers, since people talked about the legendary much. And I still agree with bulbapedia that Deoxys, Arceus and probably Darkurai is ubers. And only few people get them.

(someone deleted posts between mine, no.39, 40 and 41)

[sims796]

Here is a list of ubers. What I am trying to say is:
We know Darakai, Deoxys, & Arceus are uber. We all know that. Nobody is arguing that. We don't need Bulbapedia to tell us that

yes they are ubers all of those are ubers:
arceus
mew
dialga
palkia
groudon
kyogre
deoxys (all forms)
wobbofet(sp?)
rayquaza
ho-oh
lugia
manphy
darkrai
mewtwo
girtina


and the most powerfull:bidoof

[Te-em]

What about that last Pokémon? Is it because of its Ability to double its stats?

[sims796]

Who, Bidoof? Thats just a joke. Although, I do imaging the day they band together for WORLD DOMINATION. But that's besides the point.

[Te-em]

It has a really powerful Ability though. Whenever its stats changes it is double/halved instead of increasing by 150% or decreasing.
I don't care much for ubers any way. (but I used the stat-calculator and discovered that Darkurai is much more powerful than my Bashaamo). My team usually don't consist of ubers (right now not even 1 legendary) and I don't care if other peoples' teams do. It's not just the Pokémon, its the Trainer as well. If you're skilled you can beat a team of ubers with just 'ordinary' Pokémon. And I won't complain when I battle someone who got a Deoxys from Nintendo even if they gave none to me.

[AztecSunshine]

It has a really powerful Ability though. Whenever its stats changes it is double/halved instead of increasing by 150% or decreasing.
I don't care much for ubers any way. (but I used the stat-calculator and discovered that Darkurai is much more powerful than my Bashaamo). My team usually don't consist of ubers (right now not even 1 legendary) and I don't care if other peoples' teams do. It's not just the Pokémon, its the Trainer as well. If you're skilled you can beat a team of ubers with just 'ordinary' Pokémon. And I won't complain when I battle someone who got a Deoxys from Nintendo even if they gave none to me.

lol,cute? unoptenable?(sp?) i rofl s much at your posts, the only ubers are deoxys,darkrai,and arceus,and some one else? nope here is a list agin just so you know who are ubers and who are not:
lati@s(with soul dew only)
arceus
deoxys(all forms)
darkrai
kyogre
rayquaza
mew
manphy
wobbofet(sp?)
girtina
ho-oh
lugia
mewtwo
dialga
palkia
groudon

if i forgot some one,tell me and i'll edit it

[Kayashi]

So how much you know. you just don't want to admit that your wrong. else, you can get an Auroraticket, a Member's Card, and an Azure Flute in normal game play.

There are three different categories of Legendaries (Before Elite Four, After Elite Four, and the Unobtainable) and four sub categories (Legendary Trio, Version Mascot, Cute, and Ubber). Legendary Trio and Version Mascot fall underneath the category of Before elite Four and Cute and Ubbers fall underneath the category of Unobtainable.

And if I am correct, isn't Dialga a version mascot?

So, yeah, the only Pokemon qualifying for Ubbers are Pokemon with crazy amount of base stats, and cannot be caught in game.

rofl, You're the one who's wrong here. ubers are pokemon with 600+ total stats. end of story.

Celebi is unobtainable and isn't uber. period

[sims796]

What about Wobbuffet? He's not an uber?

[Smarties-chan]

Deoxys and Arceus are ubers, but I don't understand why they say Darkurai is. I think Dialga/Palkia have better base stats than him. Anyway, legendaries and ubers have higher stats, but they cannot breed so its harder to get one with high IV.

Gee, I wonder why a Pokémon with 125 Base Speed, 135 base Sp.Attack, respectable base Attack and Defense/Sp.Defense as well as an 80 accuracy sleep move and an ability that gives it a free Nightmare isn't uber? Also, why is it that you said ''legends and ubers'' when not all legends have stats that are higher than normal Pokémon's? I agree with you on the IV part, though.
rofl, You're the one who's wrong here. ubers are pokemon with 600+ total stats. end of story.

How many times do I have to tell you base stats aren't everything that define an uber? Tyranitar, Garchomp, Salamence, Dragonite and friends all have a base stat total of 600, but none of them are ubers. Please don't act like you know everything when you obviously don't.

This thread is just becoming one big argument and repeating of information so I'll close this. Expect a guide for what defines an uber and what is and isn't uber soon.