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ultranerd57
September 9th, 2007, 09:30 AM
I heard that in PBR you can get a pikachu with volt tackle and surf does anyone know if this is true

Bishopk
September 9th, 2007, 09:58 AM
Yeah, go beat the game and get one.

Ichida
September 9th, 2007, 11:18 AM
Not that Volt Tackle... or Pikachu itself, for that matter, is worth using anyways.

GOPgabe
September 9th, 2007, 12:28 PM
Not that Volt Tackle... or Pikachu itself, for that matter, is worth using anyways.
In OU maybe but in NU it pwns.:P

Ichida
September 9th, 2007, 12:30 PM
Exactly. Why anyone would use weak Pokemon on purpose, even to go so far as to create a sub-league for BL, UU, and NU Pokemon, is beyond me. It's like celebrating mediocrity and failure.

GOPgabe
September 9th, 2007, 12:40 PM
Exactly. Why anyone would use weak Pokemon on purpose, even to go so far as to create a sub-league for BL, UU, and NU Pokemon, is beyond me. It's like celebrating mediocrity and failure.
Do people even play in those tiers anymore?

KingFlygon
September 9th, 2007, 12:52 PM
Do people even play in those tiers anymore?


Yes, sometimes. They have Wifi leagues and stuff. Can the Pikachu even evolve? If it can, then it could be used in BL and UU. If it doesn't, then UU is the only place it fits

GOPgabe
September 9th, 2007, 12:57 PM
Yes, sometimes. They have Wifi leagues and stuff. Can the Pikachu even evolve? If it can, then it could be used in BL and UU. If it doesn't, then UU is the only place it fits
I believe Raichu is used in UU, I believe it was Borderline in 3rd gen. LOL people who play in anything other that OU!

Ichida
September 9th, 2007, 01:08 PM
Fighting with anything lower than OU Pokemon is like a gang of mobsters fighting with dull twigs.

KingFlygon
September 9th, 2007, 01:21 PM
Does anyone know if it can evolve?

Bishopk
September 9th, 2007, 01:24 PM
Yeah, it can. One I cloned I sent to Privateryan and he told me he evolved it.
It's like any other pikachu, just different.

Ichida
September 9th, 2007, 02:03 PM
What? Why wouldn't it be able to evolve? It's a Pikachu like any other, only with two different moves, one of which is garbage anyways.

ultranerd57
September 9th, 2007, 03:53 PM
i dont have the game but im thinking of getting it what other pokemon do you get
oh and maybe some people like pikachu not saying names though

Ichida
September 9th, 2007, 06:50 PM
Electivire and Magmortar are also obtainable, but the only people who know the password to unlock them are playing keep-away with it. *shakes fist*

.Brendan
September 10th, 2007, 09:24 AM
My brother knows the password

*Engage Pestering mode*

I'll get it in about 2 days

Bishopk
September 10th, 2007, 12:43 PM
I sincerely doubt that he has it.
The only people I trust that have it are Serebii and his colleague.

GOPgabe
September 10th, 2007, 02:05 PM
My brother knows the password

*Engage Pestering mode*

I'll get it in about 2 days
Honestly, like it matters. Adamant seriously sucks balls. I bred the jolly nature on mine. Adamnt Gar owns it in that case.
Also forgot adamant can do good with Choice Scarf, but sucks against other adamant CS'ers.

Ichida
September 10th, 2007, 04:53 PM
So don't use it then. No need to whine. Some people want it. I already trained up my own, I just want them for collection.

Always and Never
September 10th, 2007, 07:17 PM
Volt Tackle is a disgusting move, just for the record.

TSPhoenix
September 12th, 2007, 06:52 PM
This thread makes me want to put my head in a blender, but I'll get to that later

About the Pikachu, the main problem is that its nature is always hardy. With good IVs it still hits about 400 in both attack and special attack, but it only has average speed to work with. A +spd nature would have been really handy. That said the moves are pretty good, many Electric Pokemon use HP Water so Surf is a big improvement there. Volt Tackle does good damage (more than Adamant Metagross' Meteor Mash would do) but due to Pikachu's paltry HP it'll kill itself astoundingly fast. Surf is still a good move to have though.

Exactly. Why anyone would use weak Pokemon on purpose, even to go so far as to create a sub-league for BL, UU, and NU Pokemon, is beyond me. It's like celebrating mediocrity and failure.

Fighting with anything lower than OU Pokemon is like a gang of mobsters fighting with dull twigs.

Ichida, by your logic since OUs are inferior to ubers we should all play ubers. Or better yet only use Acreus because its the only top tier Pokemon. Your logic is horribly flawed, tiers don't exist to seperate the good from the bad, they simply seperate Pokemon into groups of 'equal skill' so they can be used against each other.

Taking your 'logic' away from Pokemon into sport its like saying for boxing there should only be heavyweights as lightweights aren't real boxers. To be honest I'd like to see you tell a lightweight he isn't a real boxer.

If anyone here ever played Goldeneye on the N64 they can attest to how satisfying it was to kill someone with the slap (worst weapon: inferior) even when they could have just used the Golden Gun. Similarly beating the crap out of a OU team with UU staples is very satisfying.

Also UU play is responsible for a many OU sets. For instance the UU Yanma became BL/OU in ADV when the Substitute-Reversal set was invented.

UU and below play differently than OU and ubers and as such you can have just as much fun if not more playing them. Of course you won't so I hope you enjoy seeing the same 40 Pokemon over and over (unlike ADV the OU pool for DP is currently pretty shallow).

Do people even play in those tiers anymore?
Currently no as there aren't any DP battle simulators with formal tier support so you'd have to pre-organise UU games to play them. However when Competitor comes out I imagine there will be a spike in UU play. I myself are looking foward to it.

Volt Tackle is a disgusting move, just for the record.
Actually its a pretty awesome move, but it just sucks for the only Pokemon that gets it. Electivire and Luxray would love to have a move like that.

Chibi Pika
September 13th, 2007, 11:02 AM
@ TSPhoenix: THANK YOU. Reading this thread was like *headdesk* but you covered everything that needed addressing.

So is the Pikachu's nature only set, or are its IV's and such set too? How would its attack get so high? The only way Special can is by Light Ball, I presume.

I've never actually played UU, but I've always thought it would be interesting (and a fair few Pokes on my Standard team are BL, I think).

But in any case, since Surf is in his movepool again, a UU DP simulator would be cool, since you could use that opportunity to play with one that had a Spd+ nature and HP Grass or somthing.

~Chibi~

TSPhoenix
September 13th, 2007, 11:48 PM
@ TSPhoenix: THANK YOU. Reading this thread was like *headdesk* but you covered everything that needed addressing.

So is the Pikachu's nature only set, or are its IV's and such set too? How would its attack get so high? The only way Special can is by Light Ball, I presume.

I've never actually played UU, but I've always thought it would be interesting (and a fair few Pokes on my Standard team are BL, I think).

But in any case, since Surf is in his movepool again, a UU DP simulator would be cool, since you could use that opportunity to play with one that had a Spd+ nature and HP Grass or somthing.

~Chibi~

You're welcome, I mean it had to be said.

About Light Ball, in DP it has been changed so it also doubles Attack. That means with max IVs (Hardy nature) Pikachu can have
418 attack and 398 special attack. If you used a non-Hardy Pikachu you can go as high as 458 and 436 in each stat respectively.

And you should definately play UU sometimes, its hard to do because of the whole way battle simulators are usually made, but as far as I know the unreleased DP battle simulator called Competitor should have formal support. That said I think if you use Surf they will force a Hardy nature, but you should be able to get whatever hidden power you want.

Ichida
September 14th, 2007, 09:27 PM
Ichida, by your logic since OUs are inferior to ubers we should all play ubers. Or better yet only use Acreus because its the only top tier Pokemon. Your logic is horribly flawed, tiers don't exist to seperate the good from the bad, they simply seperate Pokemon into groups of 'equal skill' so they can be used against each other.

XDDD. Don't you just love the way you said that as if you had no goddamned clue how utterly, uberly anti-legendary of a player I am?

@ Tiers comment: I prefer to stay in the top tier of statistically balanced Pokemon. This is where the competitive standard is set. Use lesser tiers if you want, but I won't pull any punches or change my lineup at all if you decide to use weak Pokemon.

sims796
September 14th, 2007, 10:37 PM
Fighting with anything lower than OU Pokemon is like a gang of mobsters fighting with dull twigs.

This post insulted me a bit. I use Raichu on my team quite effectivley. So it isn't OU. Is that a big problem for YOU to comment on? So you don't use em. That should be good enough for you.

Exactly. Why anyone would use weak Pokemon on purpose, even to go so far as to create a sub-league for BL, UU, and NU Pokemon, is beyond me. It's like celebrating mediocrity and failure.

And there is no problem with playing in those leagues. If you don't, thats perfectly fine. No need to insult people who does. Not that I was insulted, I don't partake in those leagues, but I believe those that do might feel offended. There are 493 pokemon ever made, if you like to use the 30 or so OU, perfectly fine. But others feel comfortable with those weaker pokes. There just $35 sprites, after all.

Ichida
September 15th, 2007, 11:10 PM
And there is no problem with playing in those leagues. If you don't, thats perfectly fine. No need to insult people who does. Not that I was insulted, I don't partake in those leagues, but I believe those that do might feel offended. There are 493 pokemon ever made, if you like to use the 30 or so OU, perfectly fine. But others feel comfortable with those weaker pokes. There just $35 sprites, after all.

Not trying to offend anyone. Just, for me, it's like two people giving weak frowns and poking each other gently in the shoulder with twigs, and expecting people to gather around, watch, and cheer as if it were an epic Greco-Roman colosseum tournament.

...wow, that has to be my best simile to date. XDDD

sims796
September 16th, 2007, 04:34 AM
Excuse me? That was NOT your best simile. I've seen you do better.

Always and Never
September 16th, 2007, 06:16 AM
Well, I liked it.

I just went clothes shopping, and all they had for pokemon shirts was Pikachu. I felt like grabbing a lighter and setting it ablaze. Pikachu is incredibly weak, and no matter what you say won't change that.

Bishopk
September 16th, 2007, 06:23 AM
It's the face of Pokémon.
*shrug*
What can you do, make a petition to demand that they make shirts with all 493 Pokémon?
(If you do, buy me a Bidoof one)

Chibi Pika
September 16th, 2007, 08:55 AM
Not trying to offend anyone. Just, for me, it's like two people giving weak frowns and poking each other gently in the shoulder with twigs, and expecting people to gather around, watch, and cheer as if it were an epic Greco-Roman colosseum tournament.
Well, on the other side of things, I certainly imagine an uber battle would be quite the epic clash. But oh wait--somehow a slugfest between things stronger than OU (often including OU's) equates to drunk fighting. So much sense. <<;

Sorry. Conflicts get me miffed easily.

~Chibi~

Ichida
September 16th, 2007, 04:38 PM
I just went clothes shopping, and all they had for pokemon shirts was Pikachu. I felt like grabbing a lighter and setting it ablaze.

If you do, tape it so I can watch and cackle in satisfaction.

Pikachu is incredibly weak, and no matter what you say won't change that.

+1 Truth. :)

Chibi Pika
September 16th, 2007, 06:20 PM
Um...even agreeing that an unevolved Pokemon is weak... Wow... Can you say pointless?

TSPhoenix
September 16th, 2007, 08:58 PM
XDDD. Don't you just love the way you said that as if you had no goddamned clue how utterly, uberly anti-legendary of a player I am?

@ Tiers comment: I prefer to stay in the top tier of statistically balanced Pokemon. This is where the competitive standard is set. Use lesser tiers if you want, but I won't pull any punches or change my lineup at all if you decide to use weak Pokemon.

I do have no clue, I'm new here. What I do know however is that your perception of how Pokemon can/should be played is very narrow-minded.

OU is no more balanced than any other tier, sure there are UU Pokemon that don't really fit in UU that well, but the same goes for OU, after all what is BL for?

Your criteria for choosing a tier to play in is very flawed, the only requisite should be is that its statistically balanced, the rest shouldn't matter. Also I'd like to know when we decided that Ubers isn't balanced.

Not trying to offend anyone. Just, for me, it's like two people giving weak frowns and poking each other gently in the shoulder with twigs, and expecting people to gather around, watch, and cheer as if it were an epic Greco-Roman colosseum tournament.

...wow, that has to be my best simile to date. XDDD

I can believe that was your best simile yet, fits in perfectly with the rest of your sub-par "arguments".

The best counter example I can think of is high school girls fighting, by no means the strongest combatants you'll ever see, but throughly entertaining regardless. Why, because its typically an evenly matched struggle, just like OU. It only stop being enjoyable when one side is clearly stronger than the other. The amount of strength is irrelevant. Whats important is that the two sides are equal.

Ichida
September 16th, 2007, 09:03 PM
OU is no more balanced than any other tier, sure there are UU Pokemon that don't really fit in UU that well, but the same goes for OU, after all what is BL for?

That's what I've been wondering since D/P came out.

Also I'd like to know when we decided that Ubers isn't balanced.

When they created their own tier.

Chibi Pika
September 17th, 2007, 04:50 AM
^ By that logic, the fact that OU has to be kept separate from UU means that they're unbalanced. But if you really think that UU equals mediocre twig-fighting, then obviously OU is superior for being a more power laden clash. But wait! That same logic does not apply to Ubers.

Face it--there is no logic--it's just Ubers being strong is bad, OU being weak in comparison is good. OU being strong is good, UU being weak in comparison is bad. <<;

Oh wait! We forgot Legendaries! Them being OU and BL doesn't apply! Simply the fact that they have mystic-y backstory exempts them from this rule; they are unbalanced and must die!

Why is it, that when given five levels of Pokemon to fight with, each of them balanced only when fighting each other and a select few from a lower level, the top level is by default, unbalanced?

~Chibi~

Bishopk
September 17th, 2007, 01:06 PM
*sigh*
There is a reason OU is OU.
There is a reason UU is UU.
Whether it be stats, abilities, or movesets, there is a reason more people use OU than UU. It's strength.
The fact is, an EV trained Arceus (or any Arceus, for that matter, being used well) will kill you. 99 or 100 times of 100. Put up a UU against that, and you're screwed. Even an OU can take a fall. Which is why the Uber tier is unbalanced.
Tiers make it fair. Ubers? When used right, Ubers win. In tiers, there's competiton. I go play Uber game with my buddies, it's "whoever trained best or hacked Arceus wins." I play over here, I see a lot of OUs and some BLs and UUs. There's much more strategy, it comes down to whose team can take hits and give them right back.

Chibi Pika
September 17th, 2007, 02:13 PM
I apologize if I'm wrong, but was that post in reply to me? Because my last post was totally laden with sarcasm. I was saying that Ubers being unbalanced is to OU as OU is to UU. Obviously one can't use one in another, except with regards to certain UU/BL.

~Chibi~

RLan69
September 27th, 2007, 09:01 PM
What nature is Pikachu? Is it always a certain one (like Electivire is Adamant) or is it always different?

Always and Never
September 28th, 2007, 03:22 AM
It's nature is always Hasty. [It's a neutral nature.]

RLan69
September 28th, 2007, 03:33 AM
Ugh...and it sux since Volt Tackle isn't an egg move in that sense (or is it???). I wanted a Sub-Punching Raichu w/ Volt Tackle & Surf :(

Ichida
September 28th, 2007, 06:15 PM
Pika/Rai's physical attack is abysmal anyhow. Light Ball is the only thing that makes Pikachu even worth considering, and it doesn't work on Raichu.

Shem
September 30th, 2007, 05:36 PM
Not trying to offend anyone. Just, for me, it's like two people giving weak frowns and poking each other gently in the shoulder with twigs, and expecting people to gather around, watch, and cheer as if it were an epic Greco-Roman colosseum tournament.

...wow, that has to be my best simile to date. XDDD

I would much rather see a bunch of random well trained pokemon fight then a bunch of pokemon everyone uses like alakazam or metagross.

Ichida
September 30th, 2007, 06:54 PM
Did you ever consider that there's a REASON Pokemon like Alakazam and Metagross are so common? It's because they're two of few Pokemon at the TOP of the competition.