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Nightfire
June 14th, 2004, 06:19 PM
which start off pokemon would you recommend? i'm thinking of buying pokemon sapphire.


PS: does it have the classic pikachu?

Pokedragonfire
June 14th, 2004, 06:21 PM
I would recommend Torchic because of its unusual, rare, types and decent stats. It is good against the first couple gyms and is great against the Elite Four. The game has Pikachu, but you have to catch it in the Safari Zone.

Pogiforce-14
June 14th, 2004, 06:26 PM
Plus Blaziken is simply the coolest. :D

but in my opinion, though I simply adore blaziken, worship the ground he stands on, lays palm leaves in his path, bless his living space, etc., I'd ahve to say I've found Swampert to be more reliable. So if you want some one really cool and really powerful in general, go blaziken. If you want something that is pretty reliable under many situation, go swampert.

Frostweaver
June 14th, 2004, 10:52 PM
Torchic has the hardest time with the first gym and 5th gym, and really no advantage over any others until the Elite 4. Treecho is strong against the first gym, and really it's downhill from there (not of its fault though... just that grass type in general are crappy). Mudkip is strong against the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th (due to learning protect naturally) and 6th gym. Mudkip is probably easiest in-game wise.

However, it shouldn't matter because 2 word will make your starter "Pokemon-God" for ingame purposes: HIGH LEVEL. If you train (EV training or not), you WILL win.

Pokedragonfire
June 15th, 2004, 05:52 AM
No, if you can get Torchic to evolve and learn Double Kick, then the first Gym is easy. But yah, pick one if it is your favorite one. None are terrible pokemon. They have their strengths and weakenesses. And I said, you can get pikachu, just not as a starter.

stewie&rupert
June 15th, 2004, 08:30 AM
im having a hard battle between trecko and mudkip...?! sceptile looks so c00l but swampert is more reliable. of coarse swampert does look good too and sceptile could easily beat swampert. but swampert can learn ice beam saving him of a couple turns. but leaf blade being times 4 weakness to swapert it wont last long. so in the end sceptile wins :confused:this is so hard!!! iside of venusaur, sceptile and swampert r my favorite starters!! can someone help me on this :D

Porygon
June 15th, 2004, 10:41 AM
Roxanne is easy regardless of who you start with; there are plenty of Grasstypes who work very well, so you don't have to worry about having a Fire starter. Torchic, dude. Can't do without that Blaziken XD

+el_pal
June 15th, 2004, 10:45 AM
I choose Torchic because it's cute (lol, not good reason) and because (here comes the good ol' reason!) Torchic evolves into Combusken. Combusken learns Double Kick and knocks out poor Roxanne. Then when you face Brawly use an old flying attack and take him down.

Porygon
June 15th, 2004, 10:52 AM
Meh. I just use Dustox against him. Psychic attack and serious defensive power against Fighting attacks haha

Aggron91
June 15th, 2004, 11:49 AM
treeko is realy fast, mudkip is realy slow...

stewie&rupert
June 15th, 2004, 01:07 PM
after careful thinking i choose trecko with mudkip VeRy cLoSe to trecko.in the charts i like them like this: :D
:20: :10.00
:18: :9.99 1/3
:19: :6.57
:chu: :4.83

Pokedragonfire
June 15th, 2004, 01:18 PM
Well, If you are a friend has another game, get mudkip/treeco, then trade with them, then restart the game, get the other one then trade back.

Suzu
June 15th, 2004, 01:19 PM
Mudkip. makes the game easy and can learn Ice attacks makes the dragon dude (Drake?) a breeze. but then you have to deal with Steaven -_-;;

Frostweaver
June 15th, 2004, 01:52 PM
No, if you can get Torchic to evolve and learn Double Kick, then the first Gym is easy. But yah, pick one if it is your favorite one. None are terrible pokemon. They have their strengths and weakenesses. And I said, you can get pikachu, just not as a starter.\

Like I said: high level

a low level Torchic will have a hard time winning. But if you're high lvl enough, you'll be fine with anything ^-^

Sceptile > Overheat + STAB ;p

Iveechan
June 15th, 2004, 02:26 PM
I can beat the entire game using only Mudkip and crew. The only time I have trouble is the 2nd rival encounter, but Bide can handle that (though Marshtomp will lose most of its HP by the time bide kicks in, still useful).

Treecko really should have learned another powerful move on its own, like Crunch by leveling up as opposed to strictly egg move. That would make it much more useful, it stinks having only Leaf Blade as a powerful offensive move while Blaziken gets Double Kick/Sky Uppercut and Swampert learns Earthquake.

Jirachi
June 16th, 2004, 01:45 AM
Treeko is the best starter, make it female so you can breed Crunch into the baby Pokemon, then wait until it learns Leaf Blade, then teach it the TMs Earthquake and Dragon Claw. Then you have the best moveset for Sceptile (assuming it is evolved :p)

Hinoshi-chan
June 16th, 2004, 03:04 AM
Good combination,
Im going to have to say Treeko, Cause Treeko was my starter, and It was and still is EXTREMMLY powerful! And I wouldnt say torchic. Cause if you get that near a. Mudkip is somewhat the worst if you evovle it. Beacause of its water, Ground element

icer
June 16th, 2004, 06:25 AM
I like Mudkip :)
Swampert has the most balanced stats, is weak only to grass, can dole out great physical *and* special attacks, has good HP, Def and Sp. Def, and looks the coolest. He has cute fins and whiskers. And he's blue....

IceKitten
June 16th, 2004, 06:29 AM
Torchic because it evolves into a unique pkmn

stewie&rupert
June 16th, 2004, 07:54 AM
Treeko is the best starter, make it female so you can breed Crunch into the baby Pokemon, then wait until it learns Leaf Blade, then teach it the TMs Earthquake and Dragon Claw. Then you have the best moveset for Sceptile (assuming it is evolved :p)

the trecko that came out of the egg wont have earthquake nor dragon claw. see u dont understand most of the important detail in egg moves. if trecko(or any other baby pkmn) cant learn the TM earthquake than it wont have it wen it hatched.well not even sceptile learns earthquake.well trecko wont learn dragon claw thru eggs either since it cant learn it thru TM nor egg moves either. torchic wont learn earthquake either. but blaziken can. mudkip wont learn earthquake bcuz it cant learn it thru lv. nor thru TM. every one knows swampert can.
see only baby pokemon like aron and ryhorn can learn it thru egg process bcuz they can learn thru TM or thru lv. but ull have to waste a TM teaching sceptile dragon claw and blaziken earthquake.

Frostweaver
June 16th, 2004, 02:35 PM
the trecko that came out of the egg wont have earthquake nor dragon claw. see u dont understand most of the important detail in egg moves. if trecko(or any other baby pkmn) cant learn the TM earthquake than it wont have it wen it hatched.well not even sceptile learns earthquake.well trecko wont learn dragon claw thru eggs either since it cant learn it thru TM nor egg moves either. torchic wont learn earthquake either. but blaziken can. mudkip wont learn earthquake bcuz it cant learn it thru lv. nor thru TM. every one knows swampert can.
see only baby pokemon like aron and ryhorn can learn it thru egg process bcuz they can learn thru TM or thru lv. but ull have to waste a TM teaching sceptile dragon claw and blaziken earthquake.
by breeding Treecko with Salamence, you can get crunch and dragon claw, which isn't bad already. However, online battling always have unlimited TMs anyway ;p and why the heck do you want a Treecko with earthquake, splitting your EVs in half anyway?

Swampert's ground type is the only reason why it makes it so good... a STAB earthquake is very powerful, and thunderwave immunity is quite important. And there's like just 4 Pokemon in the world that uses grass attack anyway (Sceptile/Ludicolo/Gengar and Exeggutor)...

stewie&rupert
June 16th, 2004, 04:09 PM
trecko wont learn dragon claw from an egg it can only learn dragonsbreath. sceptile cant learn earthquake so u dont hev to worry about spliting EVs. grovyle and sceptile r the only ones that can learn dragon claw and thats thru TM.trecko wont learn dragon claw thru egg.

Pokedragonfire
June 16th, 2004, 04:15 PM
Sceptile can learn Earthquake, but Grovyle cannot, and you are right (I think) that Treeco cannot learn Dragon Claw, only Sceptile and Grovyle, so it can't learn it through breeding either.

stewie&rupert
June 16th, 2004, 05:04 PM
well if im wrong about sceptile not being able to learn earthquake than so is serebii*im starting to lose trust in it*

Pokedragonfire
June 16th, 2004, 05:05 PM
We'll that is what my guide said so I think it is right. Maybe serebii has a mistake or something, or maybe my book does. I would have to test it out...

Frostweaver
June 16th, 2004, 06:17 PM
well if im wrong about sceptile not being able to learn earthquake than so is serebii*im starting to lose trust in it*
serebii is for anime guides, manga guides, and whatever movie update they got...

Pokemon game? They can um... still work a little harder. But at least PotW got a major improvement now. The earlier sets bring tears to my eyes... at least now they don't suggest focus punch without sub, and is a LOT better.

Hunnuli
June 16th, 2004, 07:29 PM
Well i am fairly certian sceptile CAN learn earthqauke; however i have never personally tried just cause of the fact that i usually use special based attacks on the sceptile i used. Then again earthquake could always ward away the fire types, but i normally wouldn't bring him/her in against fire types anyways.


oh yeah out of the Ru/Sa starters i'd have to go with torchic, i've tried swampert but meh.... he is just a touch to slow for my tastes, also i have tried sceptile, he is alright but.... i dunno just didn't like him. and then there is torchic whom i do ok with....... however i'd trade anyone of this starters for a meganium anyday.

MidnightScott
June 17th, 2004, 12:25 AM
I usually start out with the one that has the same color as the game.

Red- Charmander -Ash
Blue- Squirtle -Ash
Green- Bulbasaur -Ash
Yellow- Pikachu, the famous First Pokmon! -Ash
Gold- Cyndaquil -Ash
Silver- Totodile -Ash
Crystal- Chikorita -Ash
Ruby- Torchic -May
Sapphire- Mudkip -Brock
If they had a third R/S game it would've been Treecko -Ash
FireRed- Charmander -Ash
LeafGreen- Bulbasaur -Ash

-Scott-

Serebii
June 17th, 2004, 12:57 AM
Sceptile CAN use Earthquake

If my dex is wrong that it cant then so is every other Dex on the web

Also, Sceptile can use Dragon Claw...Grovyle can not

serebii is for anime guides, manga guides, and whatever movie update they got...

Pokemon game? They can um... still work a little harder. But at least PotW got a major improvement now. The earlier sets bring tears to my eyes... at least now they don't suggest focus punch without sub, and is a LOT better.

What about all the game news i tend to have first such as the R/s, FR/LG, Colosseum and the upcoming game news? Checkmate

I know I am missing some things but my dex is apparently known as one of the, if not the best

Frostweaver
June 17th, 2004, 08:48 AM
Meowth346's Pokedex! ^_^
The 2nd one up must be Netbattle's pokedex.

Regarding earthquake on Sceptile in terms of YOUR pokedex, I really don't know since serebii.net is more of my manga/anime/movie resource more than a game source. However as I said, PotW is majorly improved though, in comparison to the suggestions it made during the earlier times. *is still annoyed by T-tar's PotW...*

Ingame news... Yes Serebii does get that done too... but then I pay no attention to it. Call me a freak o.o;

Iveechan
June 17th, 2004, 09:00 AM
I think the earlier PoW's should be tweaked to fit the better moveset style of the new guy. Just soemthing I like to add, Tyranitar only works well in two types of teams; a sandstorm theme and one that either has a cloud 9 Golduck or another Pokemon who uses a weather move. Sandstream seriously killed him. And look, now I went off topic.

Swampert's animation in col. is particularly well done and flexible.

Frostweaver
June 17th, 2004, 09:04 AM
Sandstream is like the reason why you use him to begin with... his stats are in the ranks of dragonite/metagross/salamence, and sandstream makes him really stand out compare to the others

a) kills all leftover abusers
b) weather team destroying... die eggy! [most important]

New PotW can still have some work done in terms of items though ^_^; The new guy LOVES speed a bit too much... even on Slowking o.o; I mean he surely SPAMS timid nature on everything XD

The older PotW can certainly be updated... I mean they didn't even mention that quad weakness of fighting on T-tar... it bugs me.


Back on topic:
-personally, I think that Swampert is strongest, because I can't beat one o.o;

Iveechan
June 17th, 2004, 11:01 AM
Yeah but Sandstream makes it hard for the rest of your team. It's great for a one on one death match. I thought the new guy was Sir Chris, but he seems to be replaced. When I saw Timid nature on Sudowoodo, I was like WTF o_O. I guess Chris had a disagreement with Serebii like everybody else. Sigh.

back on topic... uh... I still like Blaziken the best because it's part Fighting type and has an interesting design.

katty
June 18th, 2004, 06:30 PM
i like the old plain pikachu, its cute, original, nice and best firend of ash xD

juno_dos
June 18th, 2004, 06:36 PM
Torchic is far the best coz Combusken can take down the first gym and Blaziken dont look like any old batty lizard pokemon.

^^NICK^^ v.3.0
June 18th, 2004, 06:53 PM
I think Torchic and Mudkip are the best starters. Torchic is fast and is strong, especially as it evovles. Mudkip is pretty strong, I'm using it now on my Ruby. It can beat generally everything. It's now a Marshtomp. The only problem I see with Treecko is that it learns not a lot of good attacks. They're really crappy. It doesn't even learn Solarbeam without a TM.

BUT, if I had my choice in every game, I would start out with a Pikachu. I don't feel right starting out with one of the three main starters, it doesn't seem balanced. I like started out with the special element, electricity. Pikachu is so cool, and if it's raised right, it can be really strong, and beat a lot of Pokemon. With Thunder and maybe Iron Tail, gosh...

Frostweaver
June 18th, 2004, 09:25 PM
well for ingame purposes of course it's strong... if you're battling with it, you better have a light ball... and even with light ball it's still very weak... Raichu isn't much better either sadly, but at least it got surf back.

stewie&rupert
June 18th, 2004, 11:12 PM
well pikachu cant REALLY learn surf. it can only learn it one way and one way only....actually 2. pokemon box and by of coarse cheating. :\ and even with pkmn box u wont be able to control its nature. since u save wen u trade to r/s the nature would be saved to. and if u get a sp.atk- pichu than surf and electric atks will be weakened. :dead: thats wat i dont like about the boxes eggs.

Frostweaver
June 18th, 2004, 11:22 PM
well pikachu cant REALLY learn surf. it can only learn it one way and one way only....actually 2. pokemon box and by of coarse cheating. :\ and even with pkmn box u wont be able to control its nature. since u save wen u trade to r/s the nature would be saved to. and if u get a sp.atk- pichu than surf and electric atks will be weakened. :dead: thats wat i dont like about the boxes eggs.
It's one of those times where you do this:

"Hi <insert name of friend> Can I borrow your Pokemon box for a few days?"
XD

But then... if there is a legal way for Pichu to get surf, then (for me) it's ok to cheat to get a Pichu with surf... as long as it doesn't have any egg moves. As I said before, as long as the result is within legal boundary, I don't mind cheating for Pokemon.

Poke'gangster
June 23rd, 2004, 12:56 PM
My starter Pokemon are
Red-Squirtle
Blue-Charamander
Yellow-Pikachu!!
Silver-Cyndaquil
Gold-Chickorita
Crystal-Tododile
Ruby-Treeko
Saphire- I'm getting it in three days... what starter should I get?
Fire Red-?
Leaf Green-?

I'm probably going to get a Torchick for Saphire.

Yami's Girl
June 23rd, 2004, 01:19 PM
Oh I like Mudkip cuz water pokes are my fav!Water is all my starters!