PDA

View Full Version : What Pokémon Site has the best Pokédex?


Team Poison
September 25th, 2007, 11:24 AM
Psypoke.com
http://www.psypokes.com/dex/index.php

Serebii.net
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/

Pokemon.Marriland.com
http://pokemon.marriland.com/diamond_pearl/pokedex

Me2UJus4Free
September 25th, 2007, 12:00 PM
Gah! Psypoke's dex is an eyesore. I see that Marriland's the best overral, but it doesn't have the anti-right click feature that Serebii has. It prevents people from steal off your site- well, the stupid tieves who don't know how to steal HTML.

I don't know, they both really good...

Incinermyn
September 25th, 2007, 12:09 PM
Psypoke's is good. Serebii's I can bearly read the text of. The rest of the Serebii site and the forums are horrible too.

Improfane
September 25th, 2007, 12:43 PM
@Serebii, there is no reasoning for black background websites. Will avoid them if necessary.

Offline Pokemon UK or Bulbapedia.
http://pkmn.co.uk/
Offline version is great, shame it excludes Diamond/Pearl versions.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_pokemon

@Me2UJus4Free
paste javascript:alert(["destroying prot",document.oncontextmenu=null,document.body.oncontextmenu=null]);
into the address bar and disable the simpler 'copy protection scripts'. Although don't copy the space inbetween the on and context... Alternatively, use a browser where you can disable it in the options like Firefox.

Me2UJus4Free
September 25th, 2007, 12:50 PM
Psypoke's is good.

Psypoke doesn't have base stats. That hardly counts as good. The layout is god awful. White text box on dark background? Who does that anymore? I haven't seen such a thing since 1996 on angelfire.

JX Valentine
September 25th, 2007, 01:14 PM
None of the above, in my opinion. All of them pale in comparison to the awesomeness that is Veekun.com (http://www.veekun.com) (although Veekun occasionally has its downtimes).

Serebii has bells and whistles (i.e. anti-right click), sure, but it just doesn't have the neatness or the reliability of other sites. I know in the past that its 'dex has had errors and that the site overall has had poor or stolen information, so I generally don't trust it, even now that it's supposedly "cleaned up its act."

Improfane
September 25th, 2007, 01:24 PM
I'm going to vote for Marriland out of the ones displayed otherwise this poll will fall apart since everybody is suggesting different ones they prefer.

For example, compare:

http://pokemon.marriland.com/diamond_pearl/pokedex/charmander
^ friendly URL
^ COMPREHENSIVE data, the first Pokedex I've seen with size comparisons
^ search at the top of all pages!
v slow page load

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/004.shtml
^ easy to change URL if you know number and don't know spelling
^ still a lot of information
^ shinies
v ugly

http://www.psypokes.com/dex/psydex/004/general
^ good main dex page
v uses separated page for Pokemon, too slow!
v bad URL

Me2UJus4Free
September 25th, 2007, 01:33 PM
@Me2UJus4Free
paste javascript:alert(["destroying prot",document.oncontextmenu=null,document.body.oncontextmenu=null]);
into the address bar and disable the simpler 'copy protection scripts'. Although don't copy the space inbetween the on and context... Alternatively, use a browser where you can disable it in the options like Firefox.

Your point is...?

None of the above, in my opinion. All of them pale in comparison to the awesomeness that is Veekun.com (http://www.veekun.com) (although Veekun occasionally has its downtimes).

One peeve I have is lag time during scrolling. It's just painful. I generally avoid those sites. And there really isn't much special about that site. It's search engine is just plain useless. Who needs that many opinion to look for a Pokemon, I would never know. It doesn't use a prcentage for the encounter rate- it uses a freakin' bar graph.

Extric
September 25th, 2007, 01:41 PM
Serebii is my favorite Pokemon Dex because it provides all the information. The only problem I have is the layout.

Improfane
September 25th, 2007, 01:43 PM
Your point is...?

You really shouldn't have to 'steal HTML' to use your context menu.

I use context menu for more things than saving pictures or other petty theft. Believe it or not, I use it to copy URLs (from frames too), to search, use dictionary and go BACK one page. It has nothing to do with theft to me.

JX Valentine
September 25th, 2007, 02:22 PM
And there really isn't much special about that site. It's search engine is just plain useless.

Who said you had to use the search engine? (http://veekun.com/dex/pokemon)

And even then, you can easily replace the URL of one of the 'dex pages with the name or the number of the Pokemon you want. You can therefore easily bypass the search engine altogether.

It doesn't use a prcentage for the encounter rate- it uses a freakin' bar graph.

Actually, if you hover over the bar graph, a little box pops up that gives you a percentage. For example, I'm looking at Pikachu's right now, and by hovering my cursor over one of the numbers, a white box pops up to tell me that there's a 10% chance that it can be found in Pokemon Mansion.

The site also has breeding searches, searches by type, neat TM/HM listings, and pretty much everything else I want to find for every Pokemon. One just needs to learn how to use it.

Waffle-San
September 25th, 2007, 08:31 PM
Serebii, I find it easiest to use and it has everything I'm ever looking for.for a dark background its actually pretty easy to read and it has alot of other valuable info.

The forums arn't anything special though.............

Smarties-chan
September 26th, 2007, 04:41 AM
I personally like Psypokes. It just seems more organized and easier to navigate than Serebii's, not to mention Serebii sometimes takes ages to load. I haven't really tried Marriland's dex because I'm familiar with Psypokes and they have all information I need anyway.
Psypoke doesn't have base stats. That hardly counts as good. The layout is god awful. White text box on dark background? Who does that anymore? I haven't seen such a thing since 1996 on angelfire.
http://www.psypokes.com/dex/psydex/149/stats

What are those if not base stats? =\

~Rene~
September 26th, 2007, 05:49 AM
I think Serebii.net has the best Pokedex.

~Rene~ :t025:

BusterHarvey
September 26th, 2007, 05:51 AM
yeah, i go there for everything

Espeon Master
September 26th, 2007, 09:58 AM
I use Marriland. Serebii is too hard to search through if you don't know the number and I like the way Marilland is set up compared to Psypoke

Improfane
September 26th, 2007, 10:15 AM
What are those if not base stats? =\

We're making a case for each site themselves. While it has the information. Is it the best Pokedex?

I don't notice that menu on the left. I'd rather wait for a single page to load than say, four - for each piece of information. I don't want to keep clicking.

XEL
September 26th, 2007, 01:12 PM
in my opinion, psypokes, the reason is on marriland its not all that good, on serebii the site loads slowly psypokes loads the fastest and the pokedex is very well detailed

Shiver
September 26th, 2007, 01:25 PM
Out of the three stated above, I like to use Serebii's the most. Serebii's Pokedex has all the information I need, although it is quite hard to find a certain pokemon.

Rebellious Treecko
September 26th, 2007, 01:30 PM
It's somewhat of a tie between Serebii's and Psypoke's Pokedexes.
They're both pretty good, but Psypoke's has lots of sprites of the Pokemon.

J-Rad
September 26th, 2007, 02:00 PM
serebii has evrything in an orginized fasion, I don't like marrilands for some reason, never heard of the other one, so SEREBII ALL THE WAY!!!!!

Anti
September 26th, 2007, 02:23 PM
I have always used serebii's...it's my homepage, because it can be. It is mostly for easy access to base stats...but yeah, it's nice. Marriland's seems good too. Didn't like the other one much...

Virtual Headache
September 26th, 2007, 03:16 PM
None of those.
I personally think veekun's dex is best. It's fast and looks more organized than all the others IMO.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~
September 28th, 2007, 05:08 PM
I go to serebii. Thats the first thing I do when I wake up is to see what they have on there. They also have info on SSBB. There Pokedex is very organized and sections as well



:t354:TG

Bomberman
September 28th, 2007, 08:35 PM
Psypokes. Much more information than the other 2.

Ichida
September 28th, 2007, 09:14 PM
Serebii. It has exactly what I'm looking for: reference to everything D/P.

Serebii
October 2nd, 2007, 08:22 AM
None of the above, in my opinion. All of them pale in comparison to the awesomeness that is Veekun.com (http://www.veekun.com) (although Veekun occasionally has its downtimes).

Serebii has bells and whistles (i.e. anti-right click), sure, but it just doesn't have the neatness or the reliability of other sites. I know in the past that its 'dex has had errors and that the site overall has had poor or stolen information, so I generally don't trust it, even now that it's supposedly "cleaned up its act."

I HAVE NOT POSTED ANY STOLEN INFORMATION IN LIKE 6 YEARS. GET THE HELL OVER IT. I'm ****ing fed up with people saying **** like this. I stopped stealing in 2001, when I actually started making the site what it is. Very little is still around from that. So I would appreciate it if you stopped this slander. Maybe you should try actually looking at the sites and making your own opinion than echoing someone else's as that is blatantly what you're doing due to the fact that we don't have poor information, its actually the most detailled you'll find, it doesn't have errors and it is actually rather neat

As for "errors". The data is taken straight from the game and thus is accurate. Yes there was a time that we entered things manually. But that was 2003. It was years ago, we've since got an automated database system so it's actually VERY RELIABLE. Try seeing past the bull**** people spread.

Speaking away from being the Webmaster, Serebii.net has everything you could possibly want from a Pokédex. It's also easily scrollable and you can quickly scan to find stuff. It's organised better; By Number, Alphabetically, Typed, By Base Stats, By Attacks and you can also use the Search Engine to find what. Marriland lacks detailled information and forces you to hover over attacknames just to get basic data about what it does. I'd hardly call that an efficient system. So it has Size Comparisons...how is that actually helpful. Its the only unique thing they have and its not even unique as the game has it. Serebii.net clearly is the winner. Yes it has a Dark Grey layout...big deal. White on Dark Grey is no stranger than Black on White.

DarkArcz
October 2nd, 2007, 08:53 AM
Psypokes, though I also occasionally use Serebii. Never really bothered to check out Marriland.

JX Valentine
October 2nd, 2007, 08:57 AM
I HAVE NOT POSTED ANY STOLEN INFORMATION IN LIKE 6 YEARS. GET THE HELL OVER IT. I'm ****ing fed up with people saying **** like this.

That reminds me. I don't like going to Serebii because the owner's like this. =P

(That and he doesn't realize that reputation and reliability are based on past actions or that an automated system is only as good as the people who program it. You don't gain the trust of a population early on, and you're screwed for the rest of your career. But mostly, it's because he's like that. *points up*)

Cult Leader Lettuce
October 2nd, 2007, 09:14 AM
Yeah, sure I'm a mod on bulba forums, and I run the bulba chat... but I still use Serebii.net for all my pokedex needs. The only other site that I would trust for that would be veekun, but I am used to Serebii's dex, and it's just so nice and easy. Plus, serebii's site has so much info on each poke, which is very nice... very nice indeed.

Also, why should black or gray background pages be avoided?

Serebii
October 2nd, 2007, 09:19 AM
That reminds me. I don't like going to Serebii because the owner's like this. =P

(That and he doesn't realize that reputation and reliability are based on past actions or that an automated system is only as good as the people who program it. You don't gain the trust of a population early on, and you're screwed for the rest of your career. But mostly, it's because he's like that. *points up*)
Because I hate it when people try to besmirch my good name? My site was nothing back then. Nobody visited it. Now its the most visited Pokemon site by a massive margin. Therefore the "reputation" is void and its just a few nay-sayers spreading it.

Plus, the reliability of the information is actually dependant on the information itself and not the person who creates a system for it.

The fact is, it was so long ago, its essentially a different site. Clinging onto the past to try and justify something such as that is pointless, wrong and just plain stupid

MasterWGS
October 2nd, 2007, 09:30 AM
Mostly Serebii, merely because it was the first one I'd heard of, so I'm the most used to it...

J-Rad
October 2nd, 2007, 09:31 AM
Mostly Serebii, merely because it was the first one I'd heard of, so I'm the most used to it...

same here every other podex just doen' tseem as inforative as serebii's

Improfane
October 2nd, 2007, 09:43 AM
I HAVE NOT POSTED ANY STOLEN INFORMATION IN LIKE 6 YEARS. GET THE HELL OVER IT

I had no idea you did. Now I do though. Why don't I think you're the real Serebii webmaster?

Anti
October 2nd, 2007, 09:50 AM
Well, Serebii webmaster, I'd hope you'd defend Serebii, especially considering I use it for about everything except movesets and IV calculations. The pokedex is nice...I actually like the color scheme, it's different, and not so bad.

JX Valentine
October 2nd, 2007, 10:03 AM
Because I hate it when people try to besmirch my good name?

Sure, it's frustrating, and I understand that. However, it's no reason to flame someone who actually didn't directly say that you yourself are currently a thief. All I said was that you were, and that was just enough of a reason for me to be skeptical about your site, as I don't trust anyone who as at one point a thief. It's my personal belief that if you royally screwed up in the past (even to the point where you refused to take down the information) that even if you cleaned up now, it really shouldn't be worth my vote at all. Some people might think differently, but that's just how I feel. It's my opinion, and you're definitely not about to change that, especially if you go around flaming people who "want to slander your good name." (Tip: It's not slander if it was true. Again, sure, you probably don't do it anymore, but that doesn't mean you never did it.) Sorry, but this girl just doesn't think you tried very hard to build one to begin with. If it wasn't unreliable information or information theft, it was your attitude. (You kiss your mother with that mouth, my dear?)

Plus, the reliability of the information is actually dependant on the information itself and not the person who creates a system for it.

It's both. You have one flaw in the program, and the program generates flawed information, even if you think you've defined it correctly. Think of it like this. You build a machine that you meant to have make tacks, but you accidentally tell the program to make ticks. So, you get ticks in return, even though you're absolutely certain that you know what a tack looks like, how it's used, whatever.

If you want an example, I've watched Shining Arcanine over at PFU build his Pokedex, and his own at one point contained a ton of errors because he screwed up here and there with how he input codes into the system. Yours, from what I remember, had the same sort of glitches.

You know what's even stupider than establishing someone's character through misdeeds he did in the past, though? Flaming someone who points out said misdeeds. You want to impress me, you act like a webmaster and give me one good reason why I should be impressed.

Anti
October 2nd, 2007, 10:08 AM
Does Serebii's past actually relate to the pokedex? I don't know much about Serebii, but the pokedex is very nice. The only thing I dislike is that it can be tough to find pokemon. At least it's sorted out by each geberation, but I can never find steelix lol...it's there, it just takes awhile to find it.

JX Valentine
October 2nd, 2007, 10:14 AM
Does Serebii's past actually relate to the pokedex?

On a level, yes, considering the fact that it once hosted stolen or inaccurate information, just like any other part of the site. I admit to the fact that I haven't checked it since then, however, so I'm not completely certain if it still does. (Truth be told, I've mostly boycotted the site for years because of the entire fiasco as well as several other horror stories I've heard that are unrelated.)

Improfane
October 2nd, 2007, 10:29 AM
but I can never find steelix lol...it's there, it just takes awhile to find it.

Coincidence, I was looking at Steelix yesterday. Just remember what generation he came from, Gold/Silver/Crystal. That's the 2nd dropdown on Serebii. Then lookup what the NATIONAL number for him is, on a different website!

#208!

I agree with you though, they should have the Pokemon name first so I can press S multiple times.

I really do hope the Serebii Pokedex is not HTML files and is a server side script that can be changed...

Serebii
October 2nd, 2007, 10:37 AM
Sure, it's frustrating, and I understand that. However, it's no reason to flame someone who actually didn't directly say that you yourself are currently a thief. All I said was that you were, and that was just enough of a reason for me to be skeptical about your site, as I don't trust anyone who as at one point a thief. It's my personal belief that if you royally screwed up in the past (even to the point where you refused to take down the information) that even if you cleaned up now, it really shouldn't be worth my vote at all. Some people might think differently, but that's just how I feel. It's my opinion, and you're definitely not about to change that, especially if you go around flaming people who "want to slander your good name." (Tip: It's not slander if it was true. Again, sure, you probably don't do it anymore, but that doesn't mean you never did it.) Sorry, but this girl just doesn't think you tried very hard to build one to begin with. If it wasn't unreliable information or information theft, it was your attitude. (You kiss your mother with that mouth, my dear?)

It was years ago, its essentially a different site. The fact is, when sites start out...all sites, they steal. Everyone who has started a general pokemon fan-site has done it. I've seen it thousands of times from them stealing from me. And yes it is slander because it is not true. Even if it was true in the past. It is no longer true and therefore it is actually slander



It's both. You have one flaw in the program, and the program generates flawed information, even if you think you've defined it correctly. Think of it like this. You build a machine that you meant to have make tacks, but you accidentally tell the program to make ticks. So, you get ticks in return, even though you're absolutely certain that you know what a tack looks like, how it's used, whatever.

If you want an example, I've watched Shining Arcanine over at PFU build his Pokedex, and his own at one point contained a ton of errors because he screwed up here and there with how he input codes into the system. Yours, from what I remember, had the same sort of glitches.

You know what's even stupider than establishing someone's character through misdeeds he did in the past, though? Flaming someone who points out said misdeeds. You want to impress me, you act like a webmaster and give me one good reason why I should be impressed.

Except the fact that there is no flawed information. All of the stuff comes from the game code. Sure its had a couple of scripting errors but I immediately fixed that. I do act like a webmaster and frankly I don't give two ****s if you're impressed or not. What I do not like, is people spreading around that I cannot be trusted because of things that happened so far in the past they no longer are relevant and spreading around stuff that just isn't true.

On a level, yes, considering the fact that it once hosted stolen or inaccurate information, just like any other part of the site. I admit to the fact that I haven't checked it since then, however, so I'm not completely certain if it still does. (Truth be told, I've mostly boycotted the site for years because of the entire fiasco as well as several other horror stories I've heard that are unrelated.)

So you admit you're actually going just based on second-hand information as opposed to first hand. That is not a good or valid way in which to form an opinion. Over the last 6 years. My site has gradually got up and become respected. I have ties everywhere now, sources in companies and so forth. I was the first to bring the majority of the DP Pokémon to the public eye through hours of hard work. To get information out about names, the games, everything. If you actually did your research, you would see this and actually judge fairly rather on the distant past and bull**** "horror" stories that you heard from other people which have likely been spun and manipulated to the point of which they lose all basis in fact.

Confessions
October 2nd, 2007, 10:37 AM
I like Veekun the most because it has the best layout out of the three others. Otherwise I'll stick to serebii because it loads faster.

Sammi
October 2nd, 2007, 10:43 AM
If you can't place nice, you can't have your thread. I hate to close a thread that was perfectly fine before, but this is ridiculous.

Serebii: I don't care what anyone says about your site, it doesn't give you a right to come in and not only take a thread off-topic, but break other PC rules, like swearing. You're getting warned for this, expect a PM in a few minutes.
Jax Malcolm: Why oh why did you have to reply to it? You didn't help this at all.

To both of you: There's a Private Message system for a reason. Use it. (And don't flame over it either. -_-)

*closed*