RM 3 other subs

[Lumine]

just my 3 other sub pokes (in progress)

Weezing @ Leftovers (waller+annoyer)
Relaxed
Trait: Levitate
EV: 252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 ATK
-Gyro Ball
-Explosion
-Will-o-Wisp
-Pain Split


Azumarill @ Choice Band (no idea why)
Adamant
Trait: Huge Power
EV: 252 ATK / 252 SPD / 6 HP
-Aqua Jet
-Brick Break
-Double Edge/Superpower
-Rain Dance


Dugtrio @ ? (Bliss killer nuff said)
Jolly
Trait: Arena Trap
EV: 252 ATK / 252 SPD / 6 HP
-Sucker Punch
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Shadow Claw

looks like it needs a bit of editing, but rate as a sub pokes?

[Angelic Diablo]

just my 3 other sub pokes (in progress)

Weezing @ Leftovers (waller+annoyer)
Relaxed
Trait: Levitate
EV: 252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 ATK
-Gyro Ball/Fire Blast
-Explosion
-Will-o-Wisp
-Pain Split


Azumarill @ Choice Band (no idea why)
Adamant
Trait: Huge Power
EV: 252 ATK / 252 SPD / 6 HP
-Aqua Jet
-Brick Break
-Double Edge/Superpower
-Rain Dance


Dugtrio@Choice Band(Bliss killer nuff said)
Adament
Trait: Arena Trap
EV: 252 ATK / 252 SPD / 6 HP
-Aerial Ace
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Night Slash

looks like it needs a bit of editing, but rate as a sub pokes?

suggestions in bold... I have no idea about Azumarill though

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Can't azumarill use belly drum? With trick room support, belly drum, and huge power, azumarill becomes a monster.

[Lumine]

Dugtrio with Choice Band I like that thanks bud

Omg your so right Anti why didnt I see that ?!...now I have to go through harsh time breeding again....

[Richard Lynch]

just my 3 other sub pokes (in progress)

Weezing @ Leftovers (waller+annoyer)
Relaxed
Trait: Levitate
EV: 252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 ATK
-Gyro Ball/Fire Blast/Thunderbolt
-Explosion
-Will-o-Wisp
-Pain Split

Fire Blast or Thunderbolt is better... preferably Fire Blast, since this guy is often used to counter things like Metagross.


Azumarill @ Choice Band (no idea why)
Adamant
Trait: Huge Power
EV: 252 ATK / 252 SPD / 6 HP
-Aqua Jet
-Brick Break
-Double Edge/Superpower
-Rain Dance


Dugtrio @ Choice Band (Bliss killer nuff said)
Adamant!
Trait: Arena Trap
EV: 252 ATK / 42 SpDef / 216 Speed
-Sucker Punch
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Aerial Ace
looks like it needs a bit of editing, but rate as a sub pokes?

Dugtrio is interesting... for a Blissey killer, ALWAYS make him Adamant with Choice Band. A Jolly Dugtrio (even with Choice Band) can't 2HKO Blissey with Earthquake. It's usually a 3HKO, time Dugtrio can't waste up against that pink blob of death, especially if she packs Ice Beam, something not uncommon. With 41 Special Defense EVs, he can survive ONE Ice Beam from Blissey by a hair. So when using him, be absolutely certain that you're either switching into a Thunder Wave, Softboiled, etc. Basically, catch her on the switch, or switch in without taking any damage. And also with the attention to SpDef, he can amazingly enough survive an HP[Ice] from Jolteon. Sucker Punch makes up for the cut in Speed (and pwns things like Starmie, Gengar or Alakazam). Aerial Ace is for Heracross or Breloom, but since most Heracrosses are Scarfed, it may be situational, unless you want to take a risk and Paralyze him.

But a word of warning: Dugtrio is extremely frail Defense wise. I'm pretty convinced that ANY physical attack will OHKO him with ease, so play him very carefully. It's well worth it when you can actually play him well.

[Lumine]

I actually got the Dugtrio idea from you Richard heh heh =P, Weezing is cool with me I can change movesets easy and nothing more to fix, but the Belly Drum Azumarill caught my attention..looks like I have to spend a lil more time IV breeding + move breeding again -__-, again true about Dugtrio and hes only for Bliss killer and Id have to make sure my opponent has Bliss or else it'll just be a waste of slot in your party (spies people..... XD), Boltbeamer Bliss are getting more common nowadays cause of Dugtrio but I have to look into that a lil further

[Kayashi]

Choice Band DOES NOT go with Rain Dance.

Use Belly Frum Azumarill.

EDIT: Oh lol... me and me typos. I meant Belly Drum

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

IF you can get it, jirachi actually CAN outstall blissey, only standard bliss though. With Calm mind, you can power up all you want. Watch out for thunder wave, but it's not a big problem. Use wish when necessary and once you have fully powered up, you can take it out. It's tough to use and unlikely it'll ACTUALLY work, so I'd just use McIceGar as your blissey counter. It can't hit gengar w/ seismic toss. Boah...all those skarmbliss counters. If you can trap them somehow (CB TRAPINCH! YEAH!!!) you can take out bliss w/ a strong enough physical attack. The key to beating bliss is knowing when it's coming in so you can predict and conquer.

[Richard Lynch]

IF you can get it, jirachi actually CAN outstall blissey, only standard bliss though. With Calm mind, you can power up all you want. Watch out for thunder wave, but it's not a big problem. Use wish when necessary and once you have fully powered up, you can take it out. It's tough to use and unlikely it'll ACTUALLY work, so I'd just use McIceGar as your blissey counter. It can't hit gengar w/ seismic toss. Boah...all those skarmbliss counters. If you can trap them somehow (CB TRAPINCH! YEAH!!!) you can take out bliss w/ a strong enough physical attack. The key to beating bliss is knowing when it's coming in so you can predict and conquer.

I love McIceGar, but the majority of Blisseys I've faced (going with an average from Smogon) do indeed pack Ice Beam, which totally shuts him down. Even if you're lucky enough to put up a sub before Blissey comes into play, you're still screwed if it has Ice Beam. My McIceGar is Lonely natured with maxed Attack EVs, and Focus Punch is a 2HKO on Blissey.

Suicune can also out-stall Blissey with Calm Mind. Except Jirachi gets the godly Doom Desire, which would be my weapon of choice on a Calm Mind Jirachi, especially if planning to stall out a Blissey. And even when not, Jirachi has the defenses to pull it off.

Just to add, any Pokemon with Swords Dance makes Blissey run for the high heavens. So, kind of working in reverse, if you can destroy any physical wall on your opponents team, and fire off a Swords Dance with a good physical sweeper, Blissey is dead no matter what. Just an observation.

[Lumine]

Just to add, any Pokemon with Swords Dance makes Blissey run for the high heavens. So, kind of working in reverse, if you can destroy any physical wall on your opponents team, and fire off a Swords Dance with a good physical sweeper, Blissey is dead no matter what. Just an observation.

I've got a Swordsubchomp and it easily kills any Bliss really, but the problem is that some Bliss Ive encountered online uses Ice Beam nowadays or in other words Boltbeamer Bliss, then again if you try to apply status to her next thing you know *switch natural cure switch back tadahh*

[sims796]

This is me, but when a Bliss istatus hit, opponents are almost always switching immediately to cure it. Maybe you can use that to charge up?

[Lumine]

This is me, but when a Bliss istatus hit, opponents are almost always switching immediately to cure it. Maybe you can use that to charge up?

Not really remember some Bliss have aromatherapy well which is unnecessary in my opinion cause Bliss can have natural cure ability

[sims796]

Ah, but that confuses me. Despite that, as soon as they ars paralyzed, they switch. Why? They ain't outrunning anything.

[. t R U T H]

just my 3 other sub pokes (in progress)

Weezing @ Leftovers (waller+annoyer)
Relaxed
Trait: Levitate
EV: 252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 ATK
-Gyro Ball
-Explosion
-Will-o-Wisp
-Pain Split


Azumarill @ Choice Band (no idea why)
Adamant
Trait: Huge Power
EV: 252 ATK / 252 SPD / 6 HP
-Aqua Jet
-Brick Break
-Double Edge/Superpower
-Rain Dance


Dugtrio @ ? (Bliss killer nuff said)
Jolly
Trait: Arena Trap
EV: 252 ATK / 252 SPD / 6 HP
-Sucker Punch
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Shadow Claw

looks like it needs a bit of editing, but rate as a sub pokes?

I like Tyraniboah to counter Blissey...

Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Trait: Sandstream
Rash Nature
- Substitute
- Earthquake/Stone Edge
- Focus Punch
- Thunderbolt.. Max sre you have Max HP, and that is 404...

[Bleach and Sunshine]

Azumarill @ Salac Berry
Nature: Jolly
Trait: Huge Power
EV: 252 ATK / 252 Spd / 6 HP
-Aqua Jet
-Brick Break/Superpower
-Return/Ice Punch(Emerald Tutor)
-Belly Drum

Or...


Azumarill @ Leftovers
Nature: Careful
Trait: Huge Power
EV: 252 Def / 252 HP / 6 HP
-Aqua Jet
-Toxic
-Rest
-Light Screen/Brick Break

D:

I'm gonna ignore the Dugtrio think by not typing more.

[Lumine]

Azumarill @ Salac Berry
Nature: Jolly
Trait: Huge Power
EV: 252 ATK / 252 Spd / 6 HP
-Aqua Jet
-Brick Break/Superpower
-Return/Ice Punch(Emerald Tutor)
-Belly Drum

Or...


Azumarill @ Leftovers
Nature: Careful
Trait: Huge Power
EV: 252 Def / 252 HP / 6 HP
-Aqua Jet
-Toxic
-Rest
-Light Screen/Brick Break

D:

I'm gonna ignore the Dugtrio think by not typing more.

Why Jolly/Careful when you have Aqua Jet? I dont see why Azumarill should be a waller, its got crappy 80 base DEF and SPDEF

[Samson]

if you're going to use azumarill for aqua jet, give it CB:

Azumarill @ Choice Band
Adamant Nature
252 ATK/252 HP/4 DEF
-Aqua Jet
-Brick Break/Superpower
-Ice Punch/Waterfall
-Body Slam/Rain Dance

it doesn't want ANY speed.

[Dark_Azelf]

On Weezing Try


Weezing@Black Sludge
Bold/Relaxed Nature
252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 SP.DEF
- Haze / Will-o-wisp
- Thunderbolt
- Sludge Bomb / Fire Blast / Explosion
- Pain Split

Weezing Kind of needs Thunderbolt to stop Taunt Gyarados.

I actually prefer Haze > Will - o Wisp just for the simple fact that a pokemon with the Guts Ability will think "ah time to switch in" and it also stops sweepers who try and stat up on you. Fire Blast stops Heracross if you do decide to go with Will-o-wisp, although i prefer Sludge Bomb even though poison has terrible type coverage i use it just for STAB.

Explosion for Bliss if it decides to switch in and wall you.

Pain Split is self explanatory.

[Bleach and Sunshine]

Why Jolly/Careful when you have Aqua Jet? I dont see why Azumarill should be a waller, its got crappy 80 base DEF and SPDEF
Both Natures are -Sp Atk

On the first set I gave it Jolly due to the attempt of making it a sweeper. Jolly with Salac Berry does help Azumarill out speed some good pokemon. You did give it max speed EV's in the first set. D:

I choose Careful in an attempt of making it a wall. With it having max HP EV's and max Defense EV's, the nature of Careful would give it some helpful Special Defense.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Not really remember some Bliss have aromatherapy well which is unnecessary in my opinion cause Bliss can have natural cure ability

Rest abuse...rest abuse...oh boy I sure love to abuse rest with aromatherapy. Besides, you don't want toxic to ruin bliss if it's your last pokemon............

[Lumine]

On Weezing Try


Weezing@Black Sludge
Bold/Relaxed Nature
252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 SP.DEF
- Haze / Will-o-wisp
- Thunderbolt
- Sludge Bomb / Fire Blast / Explosion
- Pain Split

Weezing Kind of needs Thunderbolt to stop Taunt Gyarados.

I actually prefer Haze > Will - o Wisp just for the simple fact that a pokemon with the Guts Ability will think "ah time to switch in" and it also stops sweepers who try and stat up on you. Fire Blast stops Heracross if you do decide to go with Will-o-wisp, although i prefer Sludge Bomb even though poison has terrible type coverage i use it just for STAB.

Explosion for Bliss if it decides to switch in and wall you.

Pain Split is self explanatory.

Explosion can be for mostly for anything, just gotta make sure your opponent doesnt switch into wall or ghost type Poke =P

- Haze / Will-o-wisp <--still thinking about this
- Thunderbolt
- Explosion
- Pain Split

if you're going to use azumarill for aqua jet, give it CB:

Azumarill @ Choice Band
Adamant Nature
252 ATK/252 HP/4 DEF
-Aqua Jet
-Brick Break/Superpower
-Ice Punch/Waterfall
-Body Slam/Rain Dance

it doesn't want ANY speed.

Makes sense it doesnt have that great speed of base 50 anyways I think Ill go with those spread and stuff but with
-Aqua Jet
-Brick Break (for Bliss)
-Ice Punch
-Rain Dance (stays in effect)

Rest abuse...rest abuse...oh boy I sure love to abuse rest with aromatherapy. Besides, you don't want toxic to ruin bliss if it's your last pokemon............

It happened to me before but I won thanks to Thunderwave XD

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

It happened to me before but I won thanks to Thunderwave XD

don't expect that to happen again lol...but yeah, I'd go haze on weezing, but that's just me.

[Lumine]

don't expect that to happen again lol...but yeah, I'd go haze on weezing, but that's just me.

You'll never know whats coming so I expect the same outcome in the near future

I think I was reading some discussion somewhere about how Burn status lowers attack while Guts raises attack but didnt get to finish reading it, so whats the conclusion?

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

You'll never know whats coming so I expect the same outcome in the near future

I think I was reading some discussion somewhere about how Burn status lowers attack while Guts raises attack but didnt get to finish reading it, so whats the conclusion?

Guts cancels burn every time...and once the damage from toxic builds up, bliss will stand no chance...so I wouldn't expect the same outcome :/