Can UU/BL beat OU?

[Romance Hero]

I really hate using an OU team, which is what the face of sites like smogon is. Can someone give me proof that the little guys, with a bit of strategy can take down an OU team?

[Britney Spears]

Yes, I've done it before. It's tough, but it's possible. =] Use who you want, just make sure they have AWESOME IVs and EV training. And awesome move sets and proper strategy. Just like any OU team.

[Lumine]

It all depends on their strategies, anticipation and knowing their Pokes really well oh right and luck, Samson is someone of an excellent UU/BL user you might say..at least thats what I heard.

[airconditioning]

BL Pokes certainly stand a chance against OU, but it takes some real skill. And even then, you may want an OU or two to back you up. I'm not sure about UU, though...

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Depends on the UUers and BL pokemon you use. some can survive the OU environment...others...not so much. Blastoise is quite fun to use in OU actually.

[Iceman3k]

It's easy if you make a UU Team designed to Combat OU, but you won't get the best results.

(btw this just proves Pinsir to be demonically awesome ;))

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

It's easy if you make a UU Team designed to Combat OU, but you won't get the best results.

(btw this just proves Pinsir to be demonically awesome ;))

PINSIR! I've swept OU teams with the dude, probably ione of the best UUers. I can't get enough of pinsir!

EDIT: Scwizard, that post mafe no sense. Here's why:

Two well-constructed teams with two players of equal skill level...when they play each other, 95% of the time the OU user wins.

[Syaoran]

Of course it is, just takes more skill to build the team and even more skill to play it right. However, there are plenty of heavy hitters in OU that can easily ruin your fun, like Choice Specs Draco Meteor from Salamence for example.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Of course it is, just takes more skill to build the team and even more skill to play it right. However, there are plenty of heavy hitters in OU that can easily ruin your fun, like Choice Specs Draco Meteor from Salamence for example.

the best part is that there are actually UU pokemon that can take the blow. Mqaybe not draco meteor or CBcross's sleep talked megahorn, but a straightforward EQ from garchomp 9though it's overrated anyways) is easily countered with the right poke.

[sims796]

I use Raichu, Noctowl, & Vileplume on my team. They have funtioned very well for my team. I also have a Torterra, Gyarados, & Miltank. Unique blend of OU & UU that funtions very well.

[Iceman3k]

That Raichu (holding Focus Sash of course) threw me off then dropped :horns: in one blow ^^'

Best example ever. btw, :horns: is my Mamoswine. He's awesome.

[Romance Hero]

I'm TRYING to use a cloyster and mawile xD got any suggestions?

P.S. Anti-pop can't help it, he just has to give out his mass info stored in his 9k mass brain ^^ Welcome back?

[scwizard]

PINSIR! I've swept OU teams with the dude, probably ione of the best UUers. I can't get enough of pinsir!

EDIT: Scwizard, that post mafe no sense. Here's why:

Two well-constructed teams with two players of equal skill level...when they play each other, 95% of the time the OU user wins.
I agree with you on that. If that contradicted my post then that's why I deleted it.

The second half of my post said:
"When it's two people of equal skill probably not or else we wouldn't have the tiers in the first place." I think.

[sims796]

That Raichu (holding Focus Sash of course) threw me off then dropped :horns: in one blow ^^'

Best example ever.

See? As Iceman said, [almost] any poke is usable, but you must know how.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

I'm TRYING to use a cloyster and mawile xD got any suggestions?

Cloyster was actually pretty good in ADV, but in D/P...not so much.

[Lumine]

I'm TRYING to use a cloyster and mawile xD got any suggestions?

P.S. Anti-pop can't help it, he just has to give out his mass info stored in his 9k mass brain ^^ Welcome back?

No idea for Mawile but

Cloyster @ Leftovers
Impish
EVs: 252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 SPDEF
Ability: Shell Armor
-Ice Shard
-Explosion
-Spikes / Toxic Spikes
-Rapid Spin

[Britney Spears]

I have a Rain Dance Team consisting of: Kingdra (BL), Ludicolo (BL/UU), Electivire (OU), Swampert (OU), Dusknoir (OU), and Floatzel (BL/UU). It works and I frustrate people with my Life Orb Ludicolo.

Stealth Rock = Dead Cloyster =[ Mawile is in sore need of an evolution.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Actually, proprs to sims, Penguinpal and Xairmo for using their amazing peer pressure skills to bring me back. I'm still in a grumpy mood though :(

cloyster can also use special attacks...and it's one of the only spikespinners. forry is better at it though.

[Iceman3k]

I'm TRYING to use a cloyster and mawile xD got any suggestions?

P.S. Anti-pop can't help it, he just has to give out his mass info stored in his 9k mass brain ^^ Welcome back?
Cloyster, eh?

Cloyster @ Leftovers
Ability: Shell Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Surf
- Ice Beam
More coverage on this later.

Mawile... I'll have to get back to you on that one.

[Romance Hero]

I may want to take some tutoring from Samson? I love making an interesting team, and I despise OU teams.

[Lumine]

I may want to take some tutoring from Samson? I love making an interesting team, and I despise OU teams.

I dunno but I have a feeling Samson is the guy your looking for in this case

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

I may want to take some tutoring from Samson? I love making an interesting team, and I despise OU teams.

I love OU teams...mostly because I design them not to be good as a unit, but to crush the other OUs...lol, it's not too bad a strategie actually.

[Romance Hero]

Ok, noob question. does CB work with skill link? if then, I can go with a cloyster in an ice team. And I still need a Strategy with mawile :/

[Arsibiyez]

Ok, noob question. does CB work with skill link? if then, I can go with a cloyster in an ice team. And I still need a Strategy with mawile :/


Yes, CB works with Skill Link. Although I don't see why Skill Link is the right trait to have with Cloyster. Planning to use Icicle Spear or Spike Cannon? Not a bad idea with Cloyster's base Atk at 95, but isn't he used more for the Spike-spinning or even potential Physical Walling? And besides Icicle Spear and Spike Cannon, wouldn't it's other purposes be to Spikes-spin anyway?

Let's give it a try...

Cloyster @ Choice Band
Trait: Skill Link
Brave (?) Nature
- Icicle Spear
- Toxic Spikes / Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Ice Shard / Explosion

I'm at a loss for the CB Cloyster. Such few moves to complement its Atk. Icicle Spear + CB + STAB * Skill Link bonus would hurt, but it's totally hax. A completely unthought-of moveset for Cloyster from me. Yay.


EDIT: While on the topic of UU's, may I make a suggestion? Dunsparce makes awesome flinchhax in the UU tier with Serene Grace.

Dunsparce @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
Adamant Nature
- Body Slam (for STAB and paralysis)
- Headbutt (more STAB and flinching)
- Rock Slide (flinching again.)
- Bite (I forgot... Oh yeah, flinch.)


Just thinking out loud. =)

[Angelic Diablo]

I think many BLs have a better chance then some OUs, as the OUs also have OU counters (if that makes any sense)

So imagine their shock when they expect their pokemon to counter yours easily, and you pull something out that sweeps their team /overexagerration

BLs have the potential to do great, just there are OUs that do their job better, but countering them is less frequent as well

[Maria Santos]

What in the world is and OU?!

[Lumine]

What in the world is and OU?!

Theyre "overused" Poke missus, such as Salamence, Gengar, Blissey, Bronzong, Skarmory etc etc you get the idea

[sims796]

What in the world is and OU?!

Fine. I'll Explain

OU:Overused. Because of their movepool, stats, and/or abilities, these pokemon are very strong, can last in battles, and/or cripple teams not prepared. It doesn't necessarily mean EVERYONE uses them, rather its their rank in power.

Off the top of my head, here are a few OU's.

Salamence (He's so strong, he has multiple roles-Physical Special, or Mixed)

Weavile (Strong, Fast, & able to rip teams to shreads)

Bronzong (A great wall, & very hard to bring down. Unless you are prepared, get ready for a long, drawn out match.)

Tauros (Despite his small, limited movepool, it uses what it has VERY well, especially with Choice Band.)

BL: Borderline. These pokes are stronger than [most] UU, but aren't strong enough to consider them OU.

Some examples are:

Floatzel (His movepool is rather limited for a sweeper, but it can cause pain)


UU: Underused. These pokes usually have something to bring them down, such as poor movepool, bad stats, or, quite simply, an OU can do what they can, but better.

Some UU's are:

Vileplume (My personagl fav, I use him on my team. He is still UU, because of his very limited movepool-mostly Grass & Poison)
Blazekien (Quite simply, Infernape is an improved version)

NU: Neverused. These pokes, quite simply, sucks. Alright? They suck. I cant break it down further than that.

Delibird (Poor movepool, pathetic stats, and what the hell is the point of Present?)


Of course, UU can indeed stand a chance. I mentioned I use Vileplume. Despite his poor movepool, he has great stats. Hidden Power gives him some diversability, he has a WIDE array of crippling moves, & he is one of the FEW pokemon able to pull off Sunnybeamer. His typing opens him up to many weaknesses, but it opens up to many resistances, most are in the OU game.

Its all about how you use them.

[Dunsparce]

I've Swept a Team Consisting of Smeargle, Muk, Jynx, Ninjask, Blaziken, and Kyogre, all with standard sets, with a DUNSPARCE.

If timed right, Dunsparce can rock! Getting STAB on 2 moves that can be used for Paraflinch(Headbutt and Body Slam), which work 60% of the time because of Serene Grace. Also, Ancientpower is an option if you're feeling lucky. It has MANY other options, that include, but are not limited to, Water Pulse, Thunder, Bite, Thunder Wave, Charge Beam, Endeavor, Shadow Ball, and much more.

[Faceless*]

lol Kyogre

It is possible, really possible actually, I've been using my favorite UU a lot (Cacturne), and it has helped me quite a bit because Sand teams really fear my Cacturne

[Samson]

i'm sure i'm late on answering the question, but of course UU/BL can ^.^

the day my chimecho walled a bronzong and hippowdown was one of my best XD

[Maria Santos]

Is hitmonchan an OU pkmn? Im planning to use one agaisnt skarmbliss...

[Lumine]

Is hitmonchan an OU pkmn? Im planning to use one agaisnt skarmbliss...

Hitmonchans a BL pokemon somehow, not sure if Im right though....

[Arsibiyez]

Hitmonchan used to be UU/NU in 3rd gen, but ever since the elemental punches became Physical, and now that his new trait gives him more damage for his punches, he's probably been promoted to at least BL. There are a lot of possibilities for Hitmonchan in 4th gen.

[Richard Lynch]

Well, of course UU/BL can take on OU! Two core members of my team are BL: Claydol and Spiritomb. And the likes of Weavile and company have no business trying to take on Spiritomb, while someone like Dragon Dance Salamence has no right staying in against Claydol (and Claydol ever survives a Draco Meteor from SpecsMence with a few Special Defense EVs, same with Spiritomb... and being able to survive Draco Meteor from him is something to brag about!)

So while I'm not sure a fully UU team can defeat a fully OU team without a bit of trouble, certain UU/BL Pokemon are actually fantastic counters to some OU.

And yet others are meant purely for the UU environment. I've always loved Kangaskhan, and that thing packs a nice punch. But I usually wouldn't use him in OU battling.

[Van'Dalgyon]

I definitely agree with Mr. Steel on this one. Sims practically used an UU team against me, and I use like 3OU pokemon and 3 borderline pokemon I think. Anyway Sims with his army of UU pokemon barring one nearly wiped me out. I just got real lucky at the end and made a comeback...