i need a moveset for mamoswine and donphan

[diyobs004]

title: i need good moves, but also some strategic moves to balance things out. can anyone help?

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

title: i need good moves, but also some strategic moves to balance things out. can anyone help?

We HAVE to leave Mamoswine to Iceman3k...

but donphan I can do...next time, specify the generation please.

I'll do a 4th gen version:

Donphan @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / rest in def
Impiah Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- EQ
- Ice shard / stone Edge
- Rest
- Rpaid spin

win. Donphan is a great pokemon.

[Oddball]

Would this be the moveset for mine as well? Also, do EV's reset upon evolution?

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Would this be the moveset for mine as well? Also, do EV's reset upon evolution?

Nope...

for mine? Mine? What does that mean? I gave you my best moveset, eh...

[Faceless*]

This is my Mamoswine...

Mamoswine@Leftovers
EV's : 252 HP / 252 ATK
Nature : Adamant
Trait : Snow Cloak
Moves :
- Ice Shard
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Substitute

It worked pretty well.

[Oddball]

Nope...

for mine? Mine? What does that mean? I gave you my best moveset, eh...



My donphan that I use, that you told me to get. Is that the moveset needed for the donphan that you told me to get?

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

My donphan that I use, that you told me to get. Is that the moveset needed for the donphan that you told me to get?

Still confused. Basically, I gave you my favorite 4th gen set. I'd use it...

[Oddball]

Okay. I had 3 sweepers two walls and I need donphan, does that help? I guess it's what I'll use.

[Iceman3k]

We HAVE to leave Mamoswine to Iceman3k...
Oh he went and said the M word didn't he
(and name, we both know Mamoswine can't learn Swords Dance lol)

Mamoswine @ Choice Band / Choice Scarf
Ability: Snow Cloak / Oblivious (doesn't matter much)
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) (CS) / Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk) (CB)
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang
- Stone Edge
- Ice Shard
Your typical Choice Attacking Mamoswine. I personally like running with the Scarf myself.

Or if you're more of a surprise attacker, there's my Classic :horns: combo:

Mamoswine @ Leftovers
Ability: Snow Cloak
EVs: 172 HP / 216 Atk / 40 Def / 80 SAtk
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam / Blizzard
- Substitute
- Rock Slide / Stone Edge
Ice Beam for combating those sonofa***** Physical Walls with the crap Sp. Defense (you know, Gliscor, Donphan, and the like ;)

Then we have

Mamoswine @ Leftovers
Ability: Snow Cloak
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Atk / 216 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Ice Shard
- Curse
- Rest
The Cursing variety. My least preferred since it's going to be forced to a switch. But with a few Curses, Ice Shard becomes nasty.

For the basic attack sets, you could run Salac Berry w/Endure since it resists BOTH Sandstorm and Hail, but that's a little too much of a sucker move and would leave you prone to Quick Attack / Ice Shard users.

[Syaoran]

This is my Mamoswine...

Mamoswine@Leftovers
EV's : 252 HP / 252 ATK
Nature : Adamant
Trait : Snow Cloak
Moves :
- Ice Shard
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Substitute

It worked pretty well.

Mamoswine doesn't learn Swords Dance... maybe you meant Curse.

You could try Avalanche and Ice Shard on the Curse set, with Earthquake of course. Avalanche instead of Rest, since it will probably lure special attackers that will easily kill him. After a Curse his speed will drop, and Avalanche become extremely strong with STAB + 120 BP + atk boost.

[Faceless*]

He doesn't learn Swords Dance O_O and I was about to train the Mamoswine, DAMN SCAMMERS!!

[diyobs004]

i only have 2 moves for sure that i want.

Mamoswine@choice band
Nature:?
Ability:snow cloak
Moves:
-EQ
-Ice Fang
-?
-?

But know im leaning towards curse and ice shard, but i like the idea of rock slide/stone edge.

[Bleach and Sunshine]

Donphan @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP /252 Def / 6 Atk
Adamant Nature
-Earthquake
-Ice shard
-Stealth Rock
-Rapid Spin/Stone Edge

Donphan doesn't always have to be a Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin pokemon. You should just keep that in mind.

[Houndoom666]

We HAVE to leave Mamoswine to Iceman3k...

but donphan I can do...next time, specify the generation please.

I'll do a 4th gen version:

Donphan @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / rest in def
Impiah Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- EQ
- Ice shard / stone Edge
- Rest
- Rpaid spin


win. Donphan is a great pokemon.



All true, but you must have Rollout. Donphan isnt complete without it.

[diyobs004]

thats what i was thinking. get rid of rest for rollout.

[sims796]

All true, but you must have Rollout. Donphan isnt complete without it.

*SIGH*. Rollout is a horrible move. One of the worst. I'll explain:

Rollout takes 5 turns for its attacks. At that time, I can easily wipe it out FAR before it gets to the second turn. Rollout is one of the worst moves out there. Plus, it has a possibility of missing.

I'm saying this for your own benifit. Please, PLEASE stop giving advice until you get up to date with the current metagame. Everytime you give such terrible, amateur advice, you seem more & more noobish, & that equals much less respect. Like when you said Rapid Spin is a terrible move, despite how useful it is, simply because you didn't know Rapid Spin's secondary effect, which is common knowlege.

I'm not saying this to make fun of you, but to help you.

You really need to get up to date.

PS: To the both of you, just because you see Ash Ketchum's Donphan using Rollout, doesn't mean its a good move.

[Houndoom666]

*SIGH*. Rollout is a horrible move. One of the worst. I'll explain:

Rollout takes 5 turns for its attacks. At that time, I can easily wipe it out FAR before it gets to the second turn. Rollout is one of the worst moves out there. Plus, it has a possibility of missing.

I'm saying this for your own benifit. Please, PLEASE stop giving advice until you get up to date with the current metagame. Everytime you give such terrible, amateur advice, you seem more & more noobish, & that equals much less respect. Like when you said Rapid Spin is a terrible move, despite how useful it is, simply because you didn't know Rapid Spin's secondary effect, which is common knowlege.

I'm not saying this to make fun of you, but to help you.

You really need to get up to date.

PS: To the both of you, just because you see Ash Ketchum's Donphan using Rollout, doesn't mean its a good move. You see this? A true remark of a noob. I didnt even know Ash had a Donphan. Because I missed out on the whole Johnto series. So you have been watching the dubbed american version eh? Hmmm you are a noob. May be good at giving advice but really man.

Bite me.....Ill give as much advice as I want man. Its a free contry so back off.

[sims796]

You see this? A true remark of a noob. I didnt even know Ash had a Donphan. Because I missed out on the whole Johnto series. So you have been watching the dubbed american version eh? Hmmm you are a noob. May be good at giving advice but really man.

Bite me.....Ill give as much advice as I want man. Its a free contry so back off.

You see, THIS is what I mean. I give you simple, constuctive critisism, & you flame me. That just shows how immature you are. I try to help you, because you give terrible advice, that makes no sense at all (& will get you flammed later when people comes online) but you take it as me making fun of you.

This shows how immature you are. All I do is try to help you, but no! Like a kid, you take it as an insult, which will get you a second warning later.

[diyobs004]

dude i agree bite me. its our opinion and we think rollout is a good move so go obliterate someone else's thread.

[sims796]

dude i agree bite me. its our opinion and we think rollout is a good move so go obliterate someone else's thread.

Cool. Another warning. Still, this is what I mean by noobs. I give ya advice, but you take it as me making fun of you. Pretty sad.

And if you give bad advice, you hurt the person you try to help. I'm not doing it for you, I'm doing it for them. All I did was explain very reasonably why it was bad. You could at least tell why they are good.

Oh, by the way, this isn't your thread I'm "obliterating". Its a friend of mine. Who I know will agree with me when he goes on.

[diyobs004]

yes it is i started it. use your eyes.

[Houndoom666]

You cant go dissin a move like that man. Truly, Rollout hits harder everytime. And it always hits for my Donphan. You see, you people who say you are giving the good advice arent really giving advice you can just say you are actually getting the Noobies fired up and you try to start a flame war because someones momma did yo daddy or some other delimma. Now if you wanna give advice dont come in sayin that a move is bad. Tell them nicely why the move wont work. Instead u say "That move is horrible"
Maybe you should stop giveing advice a little big maybe? hmm.

[sims796]

You cant go dissin a move like that man. Truly, Rollout hits harder everytime. And it always hits for my Donphan. You see, you people who say you are giving the good advice arent really giving advice you can just say you are actually getting the Noobies fired up and you try to start a flame war because someones momma did yo daddy or some other delimma. Now if you wanna give advice dont come in sayin that a move is bad. Tell them nicely why the move wont work. Instead u say "That move is horrible"
Maybe you should stop giveing advice a little big maybe? hmm.

Good. More flamming. I said it nicely. & honestly. Gets stronger every time? It keeps you unmoveable & stuck to one attack. It can & will be wiped out before it gets anywhere near strong. Plus, your opponent can switch to a wall, blocking it out completly.

At least my advice is funtional. And smart. Well, no use arguing. A mod'll fix ya.

[Houndoom666]

Theres always the off switch on the DS or the run option?

[Myoko-chan]

You see this? A true remark of a noob. I didnt even know Ash had a Donphan. Because I missed out on the whole Johnto series. So you have been watching the dubbed american version eh? Hmmm you are a noob. May be good at giving advice but really man.

Bite me.....Ill give as much advice as I want man. Its a free contry so back off.


Who says it has to be watching the dub to know about the Johto series?

Also, Rollout is completely horrible, as Sims already said, since you can easily get killed in those turns.

[sims796]

First, if your planning on turning the game off (online) what the hell is the point? & no, you can't run while that move is in effect.

[Houndoom666]

Plz stop flaming. Its not wanted in here.

We are here to talk about a moveset. Hey plz guys stop flaming. You are trashing his thread.

[sims796]

Where in ANY of our post are we flamming you?!

We simply disagreed, & proven why you were wrong. And because of that, we must be flamming you? YOU started flamming. YOU starting insulting me with childish things, despite the fact that no one even insulted you AT ALL.

The CLOSEST thing I did to flame you was say that you must get up to date on the common metagame. I give better advice. Anyone on this site can say that. But when I am wrong, I admit it, & move on. I don't flame people, then throw a fit. You need to do the same.

Just because you see Smarties-kun (or chan) on, don't think you can try playing the innocent victim & get off free.

[Myoko-chan]

Plz stop flaming. Its not wanted in here.

We are here to talk about a moveset. Hey plz guys stop flaming. You are trashing his thread.

Looks who's talking. Srsly, you make me laugh.

You see this? A true remark of a noob. I didnt even know Ash had a Donphan. Because I missed out on the whole Johnto series. So you have been watching the dubbed american version eh? Hmmm you are a noob. May be good at giving advice but really man.

Bite me.....Ill give as much advice as I want man. Its a free contry so back off.

You cant go dissin a move like that man. Truly, Rollout hits harder everytime. And it always hits for my Donphan. You see, you people who say you are giving the good advice arent really giving advice you can just say you are actually getting the Noobies fired up and you try to start a flame war because someones momma did yo daddy or some other delimma. Now if you wanna give advice dont come in sayin that a move is bad. Tell them nicely why the move wont work. Instead u say "That move is horrible"
Maybe you should stop giveing advice a little big maybe? hmm.

Actually, most people here are fine with n00bies as long as they don't act like that^

[Houndoom666]

Seems reasonable. But why are you doing teh same exact thing?

[sims796]

Exactly. I try to help him, no, them, but they take it as flamming. That is very childish behavior. Just because someone gives you advice & critisism that you don't wanna hear (& no one wants to here those) I only meant to help. Only a child would get all angry at that.

EDIT:As I said, Houndoom, find the post where we flammed you.

[diyobs004]

hey i just said you guys have your opinion and we have ours. and you wanna talk childish, you 2 arguing is childish. but just drop it okay.

[Myoko-chan]

hey i just said you guys have your opinion and we have ours. and you wanna talk childish, you 2 arguing is childish. but just drop it okay.

Go ahead and put Rollout on Donphan, and challenge somebody on Wifi with it, I would be delighted to hear the results.

[diyobs004]

listen you f****** little girl, i wont battle for a while anyway so you wont get the results. so f*** off.

[Houndoom666]

listen you f****** little girl, i wont battle for a while anyway so you wont get the results. so f*** off.

Definatly a burn. No that was a scorch. Whoa look dude, 100th post and Ive only been here a couple days.

Little girl, u got some words for a little chick. You sure you mean all that stuff? Mr luigi person (bowsers better) but u wanna tell this girl what you have been calling her in those PM's u sent me? NOW GET ON TOPIC PEOPLE!
Why isnt Rollout a good move? Tell us. We have our opinion. Rollout is an extra move he needs for Donphan. He has all the nessisary stuff. Rest does not fit Donphan. He has high enough defense where he does not have to heal with rest.

[Myoko-chan]

Definatly a burn. No that was a scorch. Whoa look dude, 100th post and Ive only been here a couple days.

Little girl, u got some words for a little chick. You sure you mean all that stuff? Mr luigi person (bowsers better) but u wanna tell this girl what you have been calling her in those PM's u sent me? NOW GET ON TOPIC PEOPLE!
Why isnt Rollout a good move? Tell us. We have our opinion. Rollout is an extra move he needs for Donphan. He has all the nessisary stuff. Rest does not fit Donphan. He has high enough defense where he does not have to heal with rest.

You call a few asterisks a burn/scorch? Wow.
I don't care how much posts you have.
Sims already explained it on the previous page why Rollout is not good, and are you also denying the existence of Special Sweepers?

What exactly does my age have to do with this... =(

but u wanna tell this girl what you have been calling her in those PM's u sent me?
Have some common sense about who I'm gonna believe.

[sims796]

Definatly a burn. No that was a scorch. Whoa look dude, 100th post and Ive only been here a couple days.

Little girl, u got some words for a little chick. You sure you mean all that stuff? Mr luigi person (bowsers better) but u wanna tell this girl what you have been calling her in those PM's u sent me? NOW GET ON TOPIC PEOPLE!
Why isnt Rollout a good move? Tell us. We have our opinion. Rollout is an extra move he needs for Donphan. He has all the nessisary stuff. Rest does not fit Donphan. He has high enough defense where he does not have to heal with rest.

What the HELL is wrong with you? Of all the saddest things in the world. Thats just low.

[Houndoom666]

Ok we waitin for you all to say why Rollout is bad. I think I remember correctly.

[sims796]

You call a few asterisks a burn/scorch? Wow.
I don't care how much posts you have.
Sims already explained it on the previous page why Rollout is not good, and are you also denying the existence of Special Sweepers?

Also, what exactly does my age have to do with this... =(

There ya go. On the previous page. Explains it all.

[Houndoom666]

You was saying about how you needed someone to suck up to you so if anything went wrong you would have a target you can hide behind? Ooooooooo Asterisks, Wow Big words for a preschooler.

TOLD YA!!! You are using her to back up everything you say!!!! I KNEW IT ALLLLLLL ALONG!

AANNDDD little miss angel shaymin is sucking up to her Boyfreind SIMS.

[Syaoran]

Guys, this is getting rather pathetic. It is obvious that "Houndoom666" and "diyobs004" are either the same person or really close friends. There is no point arguing.

Go ahead and use Rollout, but if you do, then get Defense Curl to make sure it hits 100% of the time. It will make your win percentage go OVER 9000!

[Houndoom666]

6 years apart u guyz better wait till after college.

[sims796]

Guys, this is getting rather pathetic. It is obvious that "Houndoom666" and "diyobs004" are either the same person or really close friends. There is no point arguing.

Go ahead and use Rollout, but if you do, then get Defense Curl to make sure it hits 100% of the time. It will make your win percentage go OVER 9000!

Yes, you are right. Thanks for calming me down before I get in trouble.

He's right. With, leik, 2 Defeense Curtles, It goes to 400 Baisee Power!

[Myoko-chan]

God, once again, what. the. hell. does my age have to do with this.

Oh and also when you use 2 defence curls and then rollout the third time, you do 9999 damage!

[Houndoom666]

Guys, this is getting rather pathetic. It is obvious that "Houndoom666" and "diyobs004" are either the same person or really close friends. There is no point arguing.

Go ahead and use Rollout, but if you do, then get Defense Curl to make sure it hits 100% of the time. It will make your win percentage go OVER 9000!


Yes Finally, someone who is cool about it. Tells us our solutions. Now this guy, he gives some good advice. He was nice about it. See how quick this topic woulda went if he was here quicker or you all co-operated? Now we know a solution. Thanx man. (Oh and these 2 are close too) *whispering*They are serious*whispering*

Alright im out.

Ohhhh SIMS, when someone comes you agree it will work eh??? mysterious.....

[Iceman3k]

After looking at this topic being ripped to shreds, all I can say is that I think Houndoom666 is a total nutcase. So this post goes out to you.

First off, grow up. Anybody who ACTUALLY follows what happens in the cartoons, really needs to have their heads examined thoroughly. SEVERAL TIMES.

Next, flaming like a ****ing imbeccile, then calling US childish. Maybe you need to take a look at yourself before you even THINK of judging anybody else's character.

And as far as staying on topic goes, would you LIKE ME TO TELL YOU WHY ROLLOUT SUCKS? Here's why, my dear.

- You'd only allow Mr. Forretress to come in and set up loads of Spike Layers
- Garchomp comes in and is able to Swords Dance up to the heavens and send a ROLLING OUT DONPHAN ON A ROLLOUT TO HELL
- Even my :horns: will come in and Ice Fang it to the Ice Ages =/

Hey, while I'm here, I think I'll emphasize on why SEISMIC TOSS SUCKS ON CHARIZARD or how FIRE SPIN SUCKS ON FLAREON. You'd like that, wouldn't you?

You name it. Pick something and I'll get going. One thing I also enjoy doing is picking at senseless people's heads in my spare time, so let's see you make one more slip-up.

[sims796]

Hey Iceman, did you noticed that he actually thought Syoran, Angel Shaymin, & I were agreeing on Rollout being (how do you say this) UBer Coool?!

[Kayashi]

Hey Iceman, did you noticed that he actually thought Syoran, Angel Shaymin, & I were agreeing on Rollout being (how do you say this) UBer Coool?!

*makes a huge gigantic laughing face at the compooper screen.*

:laugh: Sorta liek that but wayy bigger.

Rollout prevents the Pokemon from switching out, its first move is so weak. It has a somewhat good Accuracy stat but it will miss more often. but for such a low powered move - Accuracy doesn't matter as it is horrible.

Earthquake will go to 150 power on Donphan on EACH turn. Instead of Rollout with no STAB boost and weak power on the first moves - and missing more often.

I believe Ice Shard has more coverage and destroys Ninjask before it gets in a Substitute. Your logic fails.

EDIT: not you sims, but Houndoom's logic fails http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/205/boogiekd9.gif

[Faceless*]

Listen you little morons, I don't know why the hell you would even think Rollout is good, Stone Edge is ALWAYS Better than Rollout, and to both of you, even if it is your opinion, it is misleading other people. You have got a lot to learn before you can actually give advice, Rollout is one of the worst moves ever created, just for Ingame anyways.

And insulting people by their Profile... completely sad. Anything else you gonna pick on? My title says I'm the worst player ever! Call me that, your going to be possibly not existing as a player. You need to think about what you are about to say before misleading or flaming other people. I was a n00b back then, until Iceman and sims taught me how to correctly rate teams. Yeah guys >_> I was bad back then wasn't I =D (Man Iceman, you were the main one who taught me =D)

[Dunsparce]

Even I, who makes up non-standard sets at the beat of my own drum(CBTRess, FEAR Smeargle), knows Rollout Fails.

In fact, the ONLY set I've ever posted that had Rollout was a Joke on another forum (A Brave Magnezone [252Attack, 126 Sp.def, 126 HP, 6 Def] w/Magnet Rise, Rollout, Magnet Bomb/Gyro Ball, and Spark).

Both Rollout and Ice Ball Make you lose complete control of your Pokemon for 5 turns. Bad Power, Bad Accuracy, and to top it all off, it's the perfect opportunity for your opponent to set up against you.

[sims796]

Listen you little morons, I don't know why the hell you would even think Rollout is good, Stone Edge is ALWAYS Better than Rollout, and to both of you, even if it is your opinion, it is misleading other people. You have got a lot to learn before you can actually give advice, Rollout is one of the worst moves ever created, just for Ingame anyways.

And insulting people by their Profile... completely sad. Anything else you gonna pick on? My title says I'm the worst player ever! Call me that, your going to be possibly not existing as a player. You need to think about what you are about to say before misleading or flaming other people. I was a n00b back then, until Iceman and sims taught me how to correctly rate teams. Yeah guys >_> I was bad back then wasn't I =D (Man Iceman, you were the main one who taught me =D)

Actually, you taught me. Still, he should learn to accept critisism, rather than think that you are always right.

[Kayashi]

Donphan

- Stealth Rock
- Ice Shard
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake

http://www.pkmncommunity.com/customprofilepics/profilepic4350_3.gif 0.o

[Faceless*]

Fly Piggie!

Donphan with Stone Edge isn't murder, it actually works in place of Stealth Rock if you already have a Stealth Rock in your team

[Dunsparce]

Houndoom, I know an 8 year old who my mom watches, and he knows more about the metagame than you do (I taught him everything he knows about Pokemon battling :D)

He still onyl has Blus, Gold, Sapphie, FireRed,a dn Emerald, but he knows alot more than you do about the 4th Gen.

[airconditioning]

Wow, how did I miss this thread? I love Houndoom's posts, they're always so entertaining.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

I'll try my best to not flame...lol, calling sims a n00b proves you to be one. And you lost your tutor houndoom666. Try to learn from this.

If you wanna use mamoswine, use Iceman3k's sets...it's his favorite pokemon, he sure knows how to use it :)

And for donphan, don't use rollout. Especially if you're getting rid of rest. lol, donphan needs it to heal.

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All of the above have just earned a warning for either using inappropiate language, being offtopic, or flaming. I'd expect cleaner civility when you people are talking about games.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

With the flaming out of the way...

Donphan can actually run a CB set...trying to remember it...

Donphan @ Choice Band
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Ice Shard
- some physical move I can't remember O_O

But that's the basic outline I think. It's actually a nice set. Ah, I think that slot might be rapid spin, not sure to be honest :)

[Kayashi]

Ice Shard might not be the best option on CBDonphan

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Ice Shard might not be the best option on CBDonphan

I've never used it, all I know for sure is EQ and stone edge lol

[Syaoran]

Ice Shard is always awesome on Donphan, and a CB Donphan is no different. Rapid Spin should be the 4th slot, and it might actually lure the foe into thinking you're running a common wall / leftoevers set.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Ice Shard is always awesome on Donphan, and a CB Donphan is no different. Rapid Spin should be the 4th slot, and it might actually lure the foe into thinking you're running a common wall / leftoevers set.

I also think claydol runs a similar set, though evrybody says donphan runs it far better.

[Oddball]

what do choice bands and choice scarves do? evidentally, I'm supposed to have one for my Porygon-z sweeper?

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

what do choice bands and choice scarves do? evidentally, I'm supposed to have one for my Porygon-z sweeper?

Choice Band-raises attack 150%

Choice Scarf-raises speed by 150%

Choice Specs-raises special attack by 150%

All permit the use of only one move unless you switch out.