Medicham

[Archer]

Medicham@Choice Scarf/CB/Expert belt
Jolly/Adamant, 252atk+spd
-Fire Punch
-Ice Punch
-Thunderpunch
-BrickBreak/Hijumpkick

What do you think. Also, does His ability double atk after Evs?

Oh, and what would be a good set for vaporeon with haze?

[sims796]

I don't know much on Medicham, but I do know all three punches aren't necessary. & Psycho Cut belongs in there.

Yes, Pure Power increases AFTER EV's. Even if they are random.

[Archer]

What should i remove. Oh and i want a vaporeon w/ haze.

[Lumine]

Or this

Medicham @ Choice Band/Choice Scarf
Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 ATK / 252 SPD / 6 HP
-Hi Jump Kick/Brick Break
-Psycho Cut
-Thunderpunch
-Ice Punch

Im thinking Psycho Cut cause of STAB

[Archer]

Psychic has crappy coverage. Fire punch hits bronzong and forry

[Iceman3k]

I run with Fire, Ice, Psycho, and Kick. Only things that have walled it so far were Slowbro and Starmie.

[sims796]

I prefer Thunder & Ice Punch. What can Thunder/Ice hit that Fire/Ice can't? Gyarados. Besides, even though Bronzong are usually run with Levitate, its always nice to have security against Heatproof.

Still, Fire Punch can BURN. You do NOT wanna accidentally paralyze a Zong, nohoho...

[Archer]

So, Fire + Ice punch, Psycho cut and Hi j kick. Band, Scarf or Belt?

[Dark_Azelf]

So, Fire + Ice punch, Psycho cut and Hi j kick. Band, Scarf or Belt?

It needs Ice Punch, Thunderpunch, Psycho Cut and Hi Jump Kick.

Youll find that bulky waters (Starmie, Slowbro, Gyarados) are far to common to not run Thunderpunch and the previously stated pokemon lol at Fire/Ice Punch Psycho Cut and Hi Jump Kick thus allowing them to stat/set up, not fun. Also if your running Fire Punch for Bronzong then a Pure Power Hi Jump Kick will do more =/. Ice Electric and Fighting hit more than Fire / Ice and fighting does.



Also try Adamant Nature and Choice Scarf.

[MR. MR. MR. ATOM.]

maybe get a shadow ball or fake out in there

[airconditioning]

maybe get a shadow ball or fake out in there

No. Shadow Ball is Special, meaning it's useless on Medicham, and Fake Out is just crap anyway. We're talking 4th gen here.

[boo836]

Medicham:
adamant
@expert belt
ice punch
thunder punch
bulk up(?)
psycho cut.

Not sure if you might want to use it though.

[Faceless*]

Psycho Cut isn't really for STAB, it's for Weezing D:

Hi Jump Kick already covers a decent coverage with Thunderpunch/Ice Punch, and Night Sla- Ugh it doesn't learn it =(

Stone Ed- DAMN!
Rock Slide? No =D

[airconditioning]

Hi Jump Kick already covers a decent coverage with Thunderpunch/Ice Punch, and Night Sla- Ugh it doesn't learn it =(

Stone Ed- DAMN!
Rock Slide? No =D

And people say that Medicham does the CS Sweeper better than Gallade. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Gamerman/Image%20Macros/yelwacko.gif

[boo836]

But if hi jump kick misses then medicham gets the damege instead so if it was weavile you missed then that's x4 and it has low defence so that's guaranteed that medicham dies. Get it?

[Extric]

My Medicham runs with the following:

Medicham @ Choice Scarf
Pure Power / Jolly Nature
EVs: 252 ATK / 252 SPD / 4 DEF
- Hi Jump Kick
- Psycho Cut
- Ice Punch
- Thunderpunch

It's not as powerful as a Choice Band set, but it still good enough to get the job done and can out speed Jolteon, Aerodactyl, Crobat, Adamant Choice Scarf Heracross, and Adamant Ninjask. You can replace Hi Jump Kick with Brick Break if you don't like the idea of Medicham taking damage when it misses or you attack a Ghost type. Both get STAB though and so does Psycho Cut, but I've seen people replace it with Double-Edge so that they can 2HKO Cresselia. The two punches will scare off Salamence and Gyarados.

[airconditioning]

No, if Hi-Jump Kick misses, Medicham just gets recoil damage. He doesn't take the full brunt of his own attack. If he did, everyone would use Brick Break.

[Dunsparce]

IMO, Gallade is better.

It may not have Pure Power, but it DOES have a WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better movepool. IFOr Elemental Punching Gallade, Import a Male Ralts/Kirlia from Emerald that has been to the Battle Frontier Move Tutor. Even then, There are many better moves for Gallade than those.

[boo836]

Well why does it do it to me? And just me?

[airconditioning]

Well why does it do it to me? And just me?

Apparently, the game hates you. According to Serebii's description...

If attack misses, user takes 1/8 HP of damage.

[boo836]

Well to me that looked more than one eighth. Wait, do I need my eyes checked?

[Claire Bennet]

Try this moveset:

Medicham
Force Palm
Reversal
Energy Ball
Reflect

[ultranerd57]

Well why does it do it to me? And just me?

Actually I've had that problem too when I ,igrated a male Kirlia to my P/D game but it was from XD so that might have had something to do with it.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Try this moveset:

Medicham
Force Palm
Reversal
Energy Ball
Reflect

Special attacks suck on medicham, just so you know. It is by far best as a choice scarfed attacker.

Speaking of which, why does everybody start putting expert belt on everything? the only poke it ever helped me with was Vire. It needs the speed from scarf anyways.

[ultranerd57]

What should i remove. Oh and i want a vaporeon w/ haze.

For Vaporeon I've got:

Vaporeon
Relaxed (It needs def)
252hp/ 136def/ 120spdef
Haze
Wish
Surf
Baton Pass

Basically you put it in battle haze off the opponets stats maybe use surf if you can get a supereffective hit or set up wish and pass it on to the pokemon that needs it most.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

For Vaporeon I've got:

Vaporeon
Relaxed (It needs def)
252hp/ 136def/ 120spdef
Haze
Wish
Surf
Baton Pass

Basically you put it in battle haze off the opponets stats maybe use surf if you can get a supereffective hit or set up wish and pass it on to the pokemon that needs it most.

Wouldn't bold nature be better since you aren't using attack, but might need speed?

[ultranerd57]

Wouldn't bold nature be better since you aren't using attack, but might need speed?

(looks back) ooh yeah uhhhhhh run bold instead
(crap going to have to rebreed)

[airconditioning]

Also, why would it need Baton Pass? I'm pretty sure all you need to do to pass Wish is switch out. Or is there some strategy to it?

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Unless it has sub and/or acid armor, no need for BP. good point.

[Dark_Azelf]

Also, why would it need Baton Pass? I'm pretty sure all you need to do to pass Wish is switch out. Or is there some strategy to it?

It can be used like a non-damaging U-Turn to scout what they switch in and switch to a counter. Other than that without a stat to pass it is pointless.

[ultranerd57]

Also, why would it need Baton Pass? I'm pretty sure all you need to do to pass Wish is switch out. Or is there some strategy to it?

So maybe take Surf out for Substitute? Then it can't attack at all....................
Maybe it doesn't need it though if you had strong pokemon to switch into.
(Crap now I'm gonna have to rebreed and get a sub TM)

[airconditioning]

It can be used like a non-damaging U-Turn to scout what they switch in and switch to a counter. Other than that without a stat to pass it is pointless.

I don't get that. Wouldn't a normal switch out have the same effect?

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

So maybe take Surf out for Substitute? Then it can't attack at all....................
Maybe it doesn't need it though if you had strong pokemon to switch into.
(Crap now I'm gonna have to rebreed and get a sub TM)

Vappy needs something to attack with. If anything, get rid of haze and put in sub or acid armor. Or just don't use BP :)

[ultranerd57]

Vappy needs something to attack with. If anything, get rid of haze and put in sub or acid armor. Or just don't use BP :)

Yeah but the thread starter (wherever he is) wanted a hazing vaporeon.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Yeah but the thread starter (wherever he is) wanted a hazing vaporeon.

Then get rid of BP. I'm just posting options :)

[Archer]

Yep. Definately want it with haze. I believe the purpose behind the baton passing is that a slow vaporeon will switch after the attack, so the pokemon to be healed wont have to take a hit. So relaxed may be better.
I picked it because miltank couldn't roar. I wanted team support, as i have no (P)hazer or cleric.
If you want to know where i was, i was asleep. I live in a different time zone to most of you.