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scwizard

November 5th, 2007, 05:20 AM

Lumine

November 5th, 2007, 05:27 AM

Hey I have to admit, you've got a nice team going there, but Charizard is gg'ed easily by stealth rock you know, so I suggest swapping that for something else like Gengar or Alakazam, I know you've got a spinner but it just doesn't feel right

Iceman3k

November 5th, 2007, 05:59 AM

I've been playing this on Shoddy. It's actually been winning which has surprised me since I'm not that good. Didn't see much of a lot of pokemon though. The best part is when I have been losing it's because I've made mistakes and switched into the wrong pokemon for instance. For example switching in Raichu when the opener is Gyarados instead of Garchomp.

Umbreon @ Leftovers (F)
Impish
EVs: 120 hp, 252 defense, 136, special def
*Taunt
*Wish
*Mean Look
*Baton Pass
Use Wish. Iceman3k commands it.

Charizard @ Choice Specs (M)
Timid
EVs: 252 speed, 252 special atk, 4 defense
*Overheat
*Air Slash
*Hidden Power (grass)
*Focus Blast
With all of that Speed, Charizard doesn't need Choice Scarf =/

Froslass @ Focus Sash (F)
Timid
EVs: 252 speed, 252 special atk, 4 defense
*Ice Beam
*Shadow Ball
*Thunderbolt
*Destiny Bond
Fine, I guess.

Raichu @ Salac Berry (M)
Adamant
EVs: 252 speed, 252 attack, 4 defense
*Fake Out
*Thunderpunch
*Endure
*Reversal
Volt Tackle on a Reversal set = Total Suicide.

Forretress @ Leftovers (M)
Relaxed
EVs: 252 hp, 56 defense, 200 special def
*Stealth Rock
*Spikes
*Rapid Spin
*Explosion
Don't know what you're running Sp. Defense for, and it'll STILL get OHKOed by Fire Attacks =/
And running Stealth Rock AND Spikes on the same Pokemon is total redundancy. Pick one, replace the other with Gyro Ball. Light Screen or Earthquake over Explosion.

Garchomp @ Choice Scarf (M)
Adamant
EVs: 252 speed, 252 attack, 4 special def
*Crunch
*Earthquake
*Outrage
*Stone Edge
Uh sure.

I admit I have a strong bias towards Umbreon. I don't feel like explaining myself. It's not that complicated. Garchomp = physical sweeper, charizard = special sweeper etc. It's probably not the best team considering how little experiance I have, but I don't think it's too terrible because unlike the other teams I've made it can win.
This team certainly isn't Stealth Rock or Spike friendly.
You'll probably have some problems with Choice Specs Starmie. Might not be a common threat, but it's an extremely big one.

scwizard

November 5th, 2007, 06:11 AM

I used to have wish. Experience made me change it. Umbreon kept dying when I used wish. With moonlight and taunt Umbreon can pwn anything holding life orb.

Charizard needs the speed to outpace the huge amount of 110 and 120 base seed stuff people use. If I'm OHKOing everything what's the point of specs.

@Timid ghost: Your 100% right, that I just got pwned because I wasn't timid. Changing atm.

Having both special and physical doesn't work generally. I might try it though but not now. I'll start paying attention to the context I use volt tackle and see how many times it kills me.

@Foretress: Your right on the EVs it's turning out. I tried Gyro Ball and it didn't work for me. Explosion has worked really well though. It works well enough that many many people run the exact same moveset I do. I would run gyro instead of stealth rock if I had another stealth rock person, but I don't.

Hmm, once EQ on a Foretress killed one of my guys. I could try that out over explosion. I don't think EQ can OHKO PorygonZ though :D

@Stealth rock pain: Yup, I won't deny that. I've lost games because of it.

I want a fast and powerful special sweeper that can shoot fire. It doesn't need to be stabbed. Neither Alakazam nor Gengar can do that (fire punch doesn't count).

Iceman3k

November 5th, 2007, 06:32 AM

I used to have wish. Experience made me change it. Umbreon kept dying when I used wish. With moonlight and taunt Umbreon can pwn anything holding life orb.
The whole objective of using Wish is to heal other Members. Also, Wish is probably not to be used unless used in combination with Protect.

Charizard needs the speed to outpace the huge amount of 110 and 120 base seed stuff people use. If I'm OHKOing everything what's the point of specs.
If you're going to run Choice Specs, then change to a Modest Nature. 317 SAtk isn't going to OHKO anything. Hurt, yes, but kill, no.

@Timid ghost: Your 100% right, that I just got pwned because I wasn't timid. Changing atm.

Having both special and physical doesn't work generally. I might try it though but not now. I'll start paying attention to the context I use volt tackle and see how many times it kills me.
Thunderpunch isn't a Sp. Attack.

@Foretress: Your right on the EVs it's turning out. I tried Gyro Ball and it didn't work for me. Explosion has worked really well though. It works well enough that many many people run the exact same moveset I do. I would run gyro instead of stealth rock if I had another stealth rock person, but I don't.

Hmm, once EQ on a Foretress killed one of my guys. I could try that out over explosion. I don't think EQ can OHKO PorygonZ though :D
That's what we have Gyro Ball for.
Except coming from Forretress, it's not OHKOing anything. Forretress is not made for Physical Sweeping (unless you run with Choice Band but that would destroy Forretress's Purpose)

@Stealth rock pain: Yup, I won't deny that. I've lost games because of it.

I want a fast and powerful special sweeper that can shoot fire. It doesn't need to be stabbed. Neither Alakazam nor Gengar can do that (fire punch doesn't count).
Then IMO, you should be using Magmortar.

Magmortar @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power (Ice)
Better Sp. Attack, better choice of attacks compared to Charizard.

Oh and one more thing, be on the lookout of Choice Banded STABed Earthquake Attackers.

scwizard

November 5th, 2007, 06:56 AM

Hmm, there was one battle where I was just barely outspeeding everything then OKHOing it. In this last battle though choice specs would have helped.

Let me make char modest for now and see how that improves things. I really think it'll get outsped like crazy though without scarf.

Explosion has style >_> It also pwns togkiss.

EDIT: I'll give Magmortar a shot in a few.

Does Gyroball really OHKO Porygonz?

Samson

November 5th, 2007, 07:41 AM

scwizard

November 5th, 2007, 07:52 AM

no, i hope gyroball doesn't ohko porygon z ._.

then again, i'm the kinda fool who runs his scarf porygon z w/ near max hp, so what do i know.

your team is gonna have major troubles with just about any random sandstorm team.
Why? I've beaten teams with sandstorm and teams with blizzard, I don't see why it'd give me a hard time...

ThePlaya

November 5th, 2007, 07:57 AM

I've been playing this on Shoddy. It's actually been winning which has surprised me since I'm not that good. Didn't see much of a lot of pokemon though. The best part is when I have been losing it's because I've made mistakes and switched into the wrong pokemon for instance. For example switching in Raichu when the opener is Gyarados instead of Garchomp.

Umbreon @ Leftovers (F)
Impish
EVs: 120 hp, 252 defense, 136, special def
*Taunt
*Moonlight
*Mean Look
*Baton Pass
Good id say but you might want to squeeze in dark pulse just incase its your last poke.

Charizard @ Charcoal/Wise Glasses/Wise Lense (M)
Timid
EVs: 252 sped, 252 special atk, 4 HP
*Flamethrower
*Air Slash
*Dragon Pulse
*Focus Blast
Youll get walled by Dragon pokes if you dont have dragon pulse.Also youll feel more comfortably with Flamethrower rater than overheat.

Froslass @ Focus Sash (F)
Timid
EVs: 252 speed, 252 special atk, 4 defense
*Ice Beam
*Shadow Ball
*Thunderbolt
*Destiny Bond
Give it as MUCH speed as possible

Raichu @ Salac Berry (M)
Adamant
EVs: 252 speed, 252 attack, 4 defense
*Fake Out
*Thunderpunch
*Endure
*Reversal
Just think TP is better over Volt Tackle.Everything else good id say

Forretress @ Leftovers (M)
Impish
EVs: 252 hp, 252 defense, 6 Attack
*Stealth Rock
*EQ/Gyro Ball
*Rapid Spin
*Explosion
It STILL fails if you get it a beneficial nature with sp.defense evs since its 4x weaks agains fire types.

Garchomp @ Choice Scarf (M)
Jolly
EVs: 252 speed, 252 attack, 4 special def
*Crunch/Swords Dance
*Earthquake
*Outrage/Dragon Claw
*Stone Edge
It should have the max speed possible.A swords dance and your ready to go.Id Kind of prefer dragon claw over outrage.

I admit I have a strong bias towards Umbreon. I don't feel like explaining myself. It's not that complicated. Garchomp = physical sweeper, charizard = special sweeper etc. It's probably not the best team considering how little experiance I have, but I don't think it's too terrible because unlike the other teams I've made it can win.

Well i hope ve been a help.:)

scwizard

November 5th, 2007, 09:39 AM

Froslass is timid now. I fixed that already.
It used to be dragonpulse, but I found I never used it. I have tons of other answers to dragons. I had no answers to Swampert though.

I'll also fix the nature on foretress. I don't get what people have against it exploding though. It keeps killing stuff for me.

I guess you didn't notice stuff had choice scarf, that's the only reason you'd recommend swords dance.

@Unscarfing Charizard: Tons of stuff will stone edge it if it loses its scarf. Also people think they can outspeed it and they can't giving me nice kills :)

Anti

November 5th, 2007, 09:06 PM

thePlaya...

Recommending charcoal = no. The 10% boost does very little, making all those items a waste. Also, what kind of idiot leaves forry in against fire types?

Heracross and electivire can give this team problems...

Dark Azelf

November 5th, 2007, 09:16 PM

Scarf Revenge Killer Chomp is this

Garchomp@Choice Scarf
Lonely Nature
252 ATT / 224 SPEED / 36 DEF
- Outrage
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge

Just make sure you take out steel types and put a stop to focus Sash abusers with Stealth Rock and Spikes before you use Outrage, thats best left for late game sweep. Fire Blast is for Skarmory/Random steels etc.

It doesnt need max speed with Scarf it reaches 444 speed with 224 evs in speed which is enough.

scwizard

November 5th, 2007, 09:44 PM

Heracross and electivire can give this team problems...
Gah HOW???

If your going to say something like that regardless whether your right or not if you don't say why I have no idea what to do to fix these problems.

Why do those pokemon give me problems, why does sandstorm give me problems? That kind of advice is completely useless without the whys.

Anti

November 5th, 2007, 09:45 PM

Gah HOW???

If your going to say something like that regardless whether your right or not if you don't say why I have no idea what to do to fix these problems.

Why do those pokemon give me problems, why does sandstorm give me problems? That kind of advice is completely useless without the whys.

It lets you know you have the problem. I can't tell you exactly how to fix it, it takes the fun out of the game. that's for you to decide.

Faceless*

November 5th, 2007, 09:50 PM

This is the kind of team that is completely destroyed by SkarmBliss, you have no Mixed Sweepers

Use at least one, it's always for the best

Anti

November 5th, 2007, 09:52 PM

This is the kind of team that is completely destroyed by SkarmBliss, you have no Mixed Sweepers

Use at least one, it's always for the best

Not necessarily, as not all skarmbliss counters are mixed sweepers. Boah and Jirachi are examples. Jirachi lols at skarm with thunderbolt or fire punch and can outstall blissey with wish and power up with calm mind.

Dark Azelf

November 5th, 2007, 09:55 PM

Not necessarily, as not all skarmbliss counters are mixed sweepers. Boah and Jirachi are examples. Jirachi lols at skarm with thunderbolt or fire punch and can outstall blissey with wish and power up with calm mind.

Isnt Boah mixed ??!! XD

Focus Punch, Thunderbolt/Ice Beam/Flamethrower, Dark Pulse/Crunch and Substitute = Mixed lol

Anti

November 5th, 2007, 09:56 PM

Isnt Boah mixed ??!! XD

Focus Punch, Thunderbolt, Dark Pulse and Substitute = Mixed lol

But it isn't a sweeper...though maybe I was a little TOO literal. Eh, my point stands. But yeah. I don't have a mixed sweeper, and proud of it.

Faceless*

November 5th, 2007, 09:57 PM

Fire Punch = Physical

Thunderbolt = Special

Ring a bell? =D

Anti

November 5th, 2007, 09:58 PM

Fire Punch = Physical

Thunderbolt = Special

Ring a bell? =D

I play 3rd gen remember. Why would I use fire punch on skarm anyways? lol

I need to put that in all my posts, since all my references are to 3rd gen, as much as I try for that not to happen.

Faceless*

November 5th, 2007, 10:01 PM

This team doesn't have Jirachi, and those are rare

Anti

November 5th, 2007, 10:04 PM

This team doesn't have Jirachi, and those are rare

Just an example that skarmbliss killers don't have to be mixed sweepers.

But anyways, Vire lays a supereffective shot on 4 of your pokemon, and they can't really take the hits either. Heracross (scarfcross edition) outspeeds about everything and lays hard hits on most of them. CBcross...nothing you have can really counter it, though not much can. It'll nail even forry with some tough damage.

scwizard

November 5th, 2007, 11:42 PM

I think I just accidentally replaced Froslass with Weavile lol.

Anti

November 5th, 2007, 11:43 PM

I think I just accidentally replaced Froslass with Weavile lol.

What is that supposed to mean?

scwizard

November 5th, 2007, 11:45 PM

That my team is different now.

@APCW: What makes your advice useless is that I have destroyed every electrivire I've come across.

Against SkarmBliss The idea is to trap them with taunting umbreon. I haven't hit SkarmBliss yet though.

Dunsparce

November 5th, 2007, 11:51 PM

lol Charizard.

*Insert Pokemon name here* used *Insert name of Rock attack here*! It's super-effective! CHARIZARD fainted!

And 4x Stealth Rock Weakness is never good.

Go with magmotar, using Iceman's set.

@Iceman: My CBtress set may not be as good as the spikespinner Forretress set, but it isn't that bad.

MegaDitto

November 5th, 2007, 11:53 PM

I was thinking this for Froslass....

Froslass @ Life Orb
Nature: Timid
EV: 252 Sp Atk / 252 Spd/ 6 HP
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Psychic
-Taunt

I know it looks crazy but it has a good chance of working. Psychic bay be unstabbed but it does destroy most of it's enemies.

Dunsparce

November 5th, 2007, 11:54 PM

MegaDitto

November 5th, 2007, 11:56 PM

Shouldn;t Shadow Ball be somewhere on there? Mabye over Psychic?
......

Yes due to Stabness.. But Psychic would be good to more physical offenses.

A Life Orb sweeper can work.

scwizard

November 5th, 2007, 11:56 PM

Froslass is coming back. Ice Shard failed to OHKO garchomp :(

Dunsparce

November 5th, 2007, 11:57 PM

Froslass is coming back. Ice Shard failed to OHKO garchomp :(

Ice Shard? WHy not Ice Punch? Weavile is already fast enough, so what's the point of putting Ice Shard on it?

MegaDitto

November 6th, 2007, 12:00 AM

Froslass is coming back. Ice Shard failed to OHKO garchomp :(

Weavile cannot OHKO Garchomp with Ice Shard having a Jolly Nature. =/

If it has Life Orb, it would had. But on it's own. It can't.

Chérii

November 6th, 2007, 12:00 AM

Garchomp@Life Orb
Trait: Sand Veil
Nature: Naive
EVs: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 SAttack
- Swords Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast

Fire Blast destroys SkarmBliss and other Physical walls for a surprise attack. Swords dance powers up Dragon Claw and Earthquake for massive damage. This Garchomp has a lot of coverage

EDIT: Icepunch > Ice Shard

Not many pokemon can outrun Weavile. Keep Weavile, put Icepunch, and give it a Life Orb for max damage

Anti

November 6th, 2007, 12:05 AM

*Sigh* Telling you that your team is Vire weak isn't useless...for the last time. It's so you can improve your team :/

And you can't beat skarmbliss. lol umbreon lol
Great, I'm in a bad mood. Just what the forum needs [/sarcasm]

You can't beat skarmbliss with umbreon at all. Tell me, how do you intend to beat skarm? It can switch after the taunt :/ As can blissey :/:/:/ If you mean look them, skarm can roar you and bliss can outstall you, since you have no means of inflicting damage.

you need something that ACTUALLY can inflict damage on them, not just trap them and hope you can outstall them :/:/

And weavile likes ice PUNCH, since it is fast enough to not need shard.

For the record, how many times you've beaten a pokemon proves nothing about how well your team counters it, which is poorly might I add. the only pokemon I see beating it is garchomp, and ice punch > garchomp. Umbreon gets hammered, froslass...I don't know much about it, but I wouldn't say it can take a STABed thunderpunch very well. Only forry really withstands its attacks, and the thunderbolt variant can cause pain. All your forry can really do is explode on it, which eliminates your wall. so you are Vire weak. Now go find a counter-that is up to you.

Dunsparce

November 6th, 2007, 12:06 AM

EDIT: Icepunch > Ice Shard

Not many pokemon can outrun Weavile. Keep Weavile, put Icepunch, and give it a Life Orb for max damage

That's what I said u.u

WHY do people keep putting Ice Shard on Weavile?!?!

Anti

November 6th, 2007, 12:07 AM

That's what I said u.u

WHY do people keep putting Ice Shard on Weavile?!?!

Because they're afraid of scarfchomp lol

No, I have no idea. ICe punch gives jolly weavile the power it needs.

Chérii

November 6th, 2007, 12:13 AM

Umbreon + Bastiodon = SkarmBliss killer >3 (emphasis on the "killer")

An Electivire is gonna have a field day on this team.

Umbreon - Cross Chop
Frosslass/Weavile - Cross Chop
Charizard - Thunderpunch/Thunderbolt
Raichu - Earthquake
Forry - Thunderbolt(SpDef low)
Garchomp - Icepunch

._.; someone tell me that this team needs an Electivire counter.

btw Bastiodon + Umbreon = SkarmBliss Ownage!

Anti

November 6th, 2007, 12:15 AM

Meh. I'd prefer using ONE pokemon as a skarmbliss counter, that way a spot could be made for a Vire counter.

Chérii

November 6th, 2007, 12:18 AM

1 PhysSweeper + 1 SpecSweeper + 1 PhysWall + 1 SpecWall = 4 0.o

4 + 2 SkarmBliss Killer = 6 =D

scwizard

November 6th, 2007, 12:19 AM

*Sigh* Telling you that your team is Vire weak isn't useless...for the last time. It's so you can improve your team :/
I know that...

I'm just saying that from my experience it's not vire weak at all. So there's no way I can believe you unless you give a reason why it should be Vire weak.

@Azonic: Vire always gets nuked before it can attack.

Dunsparce

November 6th, 2007, 12:21 AM

I know that...

I'm just saying that from my experience it's not vire weak at all. So there's no way I can believe you unless you give a reason why it should be Vire weak.

Hmm...

Umbreon - Cross Chop
Frosslass/Weavile - Cross Chop
Charizard - Thunderpunch/Thunderbolt
Raichu - Earthquake
Forry - Thunderbolt(SpDef low)
Garchomp - Icepunch

The only mistake on this is that Froslass is IMMUNE to Cross Chop. It's part ghost.

Chérii

November 6th, 2007, 12:22 AM

Well, if you, by any chance, even payed attention to my 2nd to last post.You would know how its Vire Weak -_-;

Umbreon - Cross Chop
Frosslass/Weavile - Cross Chop
Charizard - Thunderpunch/Thunderbolt
Raichu - Earthquake
Forry - Thunderbolt(SpDef low)
Garchomp - Icepunch

EDIT: Dunsparce beat me(if this was in competetive. I'd be so mad that I would throw my DS on the wall cuz a Dunsparce had a higher speed stat)

scwizard

November 6th, 2007, 12:22 AM

A thunderbolt from my boltbeamer can't take out Bulky :'''(

@People: Vire keeps getting nuked before it can attack. I'd think that you were right but that's not how it ends up.

One of the things causing me problems right now is my ghost falling short. Not OHKOing 'dos and not beating fellow ghosts due to shadow sneak.

Scarf chomp also causes me problems. It's faster than my ghost (and will OHKO it with a sandstorm out). A Jolly scarf chomp on dragon claw recently pretty much sweeped me.

Anti

November 6th, 2007, 12:23 AM

I know that...

I'm just saying that from my experience it's not vire weak at all. So there's no way I can believe you unless you give a reason why it should be Vire weak.

@Azonic: Vire always gets nuked before it can attack.

O...M...G...

How many facts do we need? We've just shown that nearly your entire team is wiped out by Vire. Tell me, how do you usually beat it?

1 PhysSweeper + 1 SpecSweeper + 1 PhysWall + 1 SpecWall = 4 0.o

4 + 2 SkarmBliss Killer = 6 =D

And you still usually want a tank to go with your 2 walls and sweepers...not to mention you need a cleric, spinner, and PHazer on top of a skarmbliss killer. Having a tandom to kill skarmlbiss is like saying "I have raikou to beat skarm and machamp for bliss!" As in, it's kinda fail-ish :/

Dunsparce

November 6th, 2007, 12:27 AM

Well, if you, by any chance, even payed attention to my 2nd to last post.You would know how its Vire Weak -_-;

EDIT: Dunsparce beat me(if this was in competetive. I'd be so mad that I would throw my DS on the wall cuz a Dunsparce had a higher speed stat)

And liek I said, Froslass is IMMUNE to Cross Chop(It's a Ice/Ghost, afterall). But Because it's frail, she'd still be taken down quickly.

Chérii

November 6th, 2007, 12:28 AM

O...M...G...

How many facts do we need? We've just shown that nearly your entire team is wiped out by Vire. Tell me, how do you usually beat it?

Take a hacked Arceus and smash it on the Vire.

And you still usually want a tank to go with your 2 walls and sweepers...not to mention you need a cleric, spinner, and PHazer on top of a skarmbliss killer. Having a tandom to kill skarmlbiss is like saying "I have raikou to beat skarm and machamp for bliss!" As in, it's kinda fail-ish :/

Spinner - Forretress <.<;

btw Anti, if you stick Bastiodon in, thats only gonna be five pokemon ... umbreon's already on the team. Bastiodon can play a part of a dual wall and setting up Stealth Rock and some other pokemon can Roar, Whirlwind... w/e

scwizard

November 6th, 2007, 12:31 AM

O...M...G...

How many facts do we need? We've just shown that nearly your entire team is wiped out by Vire. Tell me, how do you usually beat it?
Well reversal chu pwns Vire like no tomorrow.

I don't know, I haven't been paying enough attention but I DO beat it.

Anti

November 6th, 2007, 12:33 AM

Well reversal chu pwns Vire like no tomorrow.

I don't know, I haven't been paying enough attention but I DO beat it.

lol reversalchu lol

EQ!!!

So no, you don't have a counter. what a shcoker How that worked is beyond me...but it's about itme you admit the dang team is Vire weak and get a freakin' counter, because I'm not the most patient person in the world another shocker

Chérii

November 6th, 2007, 12:34 AM

Ugghuoghoghuhgpgpoehguyehoehgoehogheosoehgowjgh!!!!

Having only one counter for a threat is NOT enough. After all, what if Raichu gets KO'd - then Electivire comes out!? You're team will get beaten.

EDIT: u made me type a word that isn't in the dictionary. Shame on u >:O

Dunsparce

November 6th, 2007, 12:34 AM

Well reversal chu pwns Vire like no tomorrow.

I don't know, I haven't been paying enough attention but I DO beat it.

Ah, the irrationality of n00bs.

Someone show him the statistics of a battle between his team and one with 'Vire.

scwizard

November 6th, 2007, 12:35 AM

Don't you know how reversal chu works. You endure EQ and reversal them into oblivion :D

Dunsparce

November 6th, 2007, 12:36 AM

Don't you know how reversal chu works. You endure EQ and reversal them into oblivion :D

-_______-;

You are stubborn, aren't you?

scwizard

November 6th, 2007, 12:36 AM

Chérii

November 6th, 2007, 12:38 AM

Don't you know how reversal chu works. You endure EQ and reversal them into oblivion :D

lyke omigosh!

No.

You need more than one freaking counter to actually survive Electivire. What if Raichu already fainted? Electivire comes out and your team is doomed to failure.

Dunsparce

November 6th, 2007, 12:41 AM

I'll start taking statistics now ok.

Then the statistics will prove that your right and I'll get a counter.

So no more posting about Vire until I get the statistics ok. I know what your opinions are by now.

I meant someone with a neutral point of view. Or at least a logical one.

What if the said Electivire surprises you with a Quick Attack after your Raichu Endured the turn before? You never know if someone is willing to give up a moveslot on 'Vire for it.

As rare as such a situation would be (I mean, who uses QA on vire?), it shows that there is a flaw to your idea of a "counter".

Chérii

November 6th, 2007, 12:46 AM

Or, as you would know, Raichu is an Electric type. Which means it carries thunderbolt.

What if the opponent has a Gyarados in play, you try to use thunderbolt on it but Gyara switches out into Electivire and it gets a Speed Boost. Then, it will be able to outrun Chu. and making Endureversaling = Fail

scwizard

November 6th, 2007, 12:57 AM

People I didn't mean that seriously...

I KNOW CHU ISN'T A COUNTER >_>

I'll start taking statistics now ok.

Then the statistics will prove that your right and I'll get a counter.

So no more posting about Vire until I get the statistics ok. I know what your opinions are by now.
Once again. Enough about Vire. I get what everybody is saying. I'll fix my team after statistics show that your right.

Faceless*

November 6th, 2007, 01:09 AM

Ok... Focus Sash Infernape obliterates this team... AGAIN =D All it needs is wall support and BAM down you go my friend

Dunsparce

November 6th, 2007, 01:13 AM

Once again. Enough about Vire. I get what everybody is saying. I'll fix my team after statistics show that your right.

Just face it. The Oni will OWN you. (get it? Oni? Own? I know, bad joke)

You're just desperatley clinging onto a false hope that everyone in this thread except for you will be proven wrong.

Just go with it. You need a more balanced team.

scwizard

November 6th, 2007, 01:38 AM

And it started with Lumine:
"Hey I have to admit, you've got a nice team going there"

It is bad though. It's been losing a whole ton. I'll make a new team by the end of the next weekend.

Iceman3k

November 6th, 2007, 02:02 AM

Don't you know how reversal chu works. You endure EQ and reversal them into oblivion :D
Until Gengar or Dusknoir comes out of nowhere just to ruin your parade ;)

Zaikiro

November 6th, 2007, 02:04 AM

Is this a rate, or more of an conversation? D:

Faceless*

November 6th, 2007, 02:59 AM

Conversation ever since the vire weakness discussion haha

Anti

November 6th, 2007, 03:11 AM

Okay, ENOUGH!

Point is, you are weak to almost evry physical sweeper in the game, especially if a mixed attacker beats forry. Really, it's your only defence against physical sweepers that otherwise ravage your team. You need something to help forry fight off the physical attackers, as it can't take THAT many hits :/

And we know what we're talking about. We're not trying to annoy you, but it's SO SO true...you have to understand where we're coming from, or people (especially people with short tempers, like me) will get frustrated. So plz listen...

scwizard

November 6th, 2007, 03:44 AM

Until Gengar or Dusknoir comes out of nowhere just to ruin your parade ;)
Try to finish reading the thread before posting.

@Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13: Yes yes, I get it or else I wouldn't have made that post...
I agree enough, topic closed.

Anti

November 6th, 2007, 03:49 AM

Try to finish reading the thread before posting.

even though Iceman3k is right...

@Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13: Yes yes, I get it or else I wouldn't have made that post...
I agree enough, topic closed.

Closed? Eh?

I'm all a bit confused to be honest...

Chérii

November 6th, 2007, 10:51 PM

Umbreon - Baton Passer
Charizard - Special Sweeper
Froslass
Raichu
Forretress - Physical Wall / Spikespinner
Garchomp - Physical Sweeper

I'd say get rid of Charizard too. Its not the best Special Sweeper around. Also, with Raichu you would have two Special Sweepers. You need room for a Cleric / Tank etc. You need a Special Wall on this team :/ Froslass barely plays a role in this team. so take that out.

This should help with your Vire weakness. I need to see a Special Wall.

J-Rad

November 6th, 2007, 11:32 PM