Experimenting.

[Arsibiyez]

These are a few Pokemon I've decided to try out. I don't know how to distribute their EVs yet, except for the usual 252/252/6 spreads. Anywho, here they are.


Kabutops @ Leftovers
Trait: Swift Swim
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
- Rain Dance
- Waterfall
- X-Scissor (against grass-types, most obviously.)
- Earthquake (against electrics who may take advantage of Rain Dance)


Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
Jolly Nature
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 Def
- Spore
- Focus Punch
- Seed Bomb
- Stone Edge *angels sing in background*


Vespiquen @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
Brave Nature
- Attack Order
- Heal Order
- Sludge Bomb
- Power Gem

Needs work. Please help?

[Candymancan]

I would switch X-scizor on Kabutops with Nightslash and put a kings rock on him, altho i guess people bann kings cuss there lame people lol.

Get ride of swiftswim and put battle armor on, get rid of rain dance and teach him that Xscizor

[boo836]

Candy man , they are not lame, king's rock is lame and other hax items are lame along with ubers.

[Candymancan]

they arent hacked items, they are items in the game and anyone calling them hax are just noobs lol

Just like when i own people on a video game they call it hax cuss they have no skill

[boo836]

It relies on luck ok so that if one of your friend's works and another one doesn't work for you in the battle, causing you to lose, what would you do?
Edit: Who are calling n00b? Anti, sims, steel, name, iceman and probobly I can destroy you in battling.

[Lumine]

These are a few Pokemon I've decided to try out. I don't know how to distribute their EVs yet, except for the usual 252/252/6 spreads. Anywho, here they are.


Kabutops @ Life Orb
Trait: Swift Swim
Jolly Nature
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
- Swords Dance
- Waterfall
- X-Scissor (against grass-types, most obviously.)
- Stone Edge

I don't suggest Rain Dance cause people might take advantage of a Ludicolo.


Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
Jolly Nature
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 Def
- Spore
- Focus Punch
- Seed Bomb
- Stone Edge *angels sing in background*

Looks alright but you sure you don't wanna try Adamant? see how you go with Jolly first

Vespiquen @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
Careful/Impish Nature
EVs: 252 HP / 6 ATK / 252 DEF
- Attack Order
- Defend Order
- Toxic
- Roost

Uhmm not too sure about Vespiquen since she's kinda a semi waller

Needs work. Please help?

Fixes are in bold, don't ask why I randomly chose those set/build for Vespiquen since I don't know about her much..

[Candymancan]

It relies on luck ok so that if one of your friend's works and another one doesn't work for you in the battle, causing you to lose, what would you do?


English ? I didnt understand that sorry.


All im saying is that if an Item that Increase's say a Physicle Move from 150 to 330 like Choice Band on a pokemon with insaine attack, Why would a Kings rock which increases attack with a crit on a 70 atk move to w/e be any diff ?

You see what im saying ? Choice band may have limitations yes but the atk potential is just huge compared to a crit on a mid atk move. Its basicly the same thing.

I wont spam this thread anymore arguing about it.

I still think regardless of the kings rock to put on nightslash

[Bleach and Sunshine]

Erh......Kabutops can't learn Earthquake. D;


Kabutops @ Life Orb
Trait: Swift Swim
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
- Rain Dance
- Waterfall
- X-Scissor
- Stone Edge

Just my opinion but Stone Edge will make a impact due to stab. If anyone forgot?

Life Orb will make it to more of an dangerous level of a sweeper.

Vespiquen @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
Impish Nature
EV: 252 HP/ 124 Def/ 124 Sp Def
-Attack Order
-Heal Order
-Aerial Ace
-Destiny Bond
- Power Gem

Stab with being defensive....D:

[Lumine]

Erh......Kabutops can't learn Earthquake. D;

Vespiquen @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
Impish Nature
EV: 252 HP/ 124 Def/ 124 Sp Def
-Attack Order
-Heal Order
-Aerial Ace
-Destiny Bond
- Power Gem

Stab with being defensive....D:

Oops my bad I almost forgot about that thanks for reminding me, as for Vespiquen yeh go ahead and flame me since I don't know anything about that silly bee >.<

[Arsibiyez]

I would switch X-scizor on Kabutops with Nightslash and put a kings rock on him, altho i guess people bann kings cuss there lame people lol.

Get ride of swiftswim and put battle armor on, get rid of rain dance and teach him that Xscizor


they arent hacked items, they are items in the game and anyone calling them hax are just noobs lol

Just like when i own people on a video game they call it hax cuss they have no skill


Candymancan, "hax" doesn't mean "hacked". It's a term that battlers use to describe items that rely on luck. Items like King's Rock and Quick Claw are hax items because they don't work 100% of the time. Besides, King's Rock doesn't improve damage, it causes flinching at 12% chance. So please, get your facts straight before you give people advice, and more importantly, don't flame people who are correct.


If you're that fond of flaming that you have to do it on the very first reply to the thread, then just get out and stay out. We don't need people like you in Pokecommunity.

Erh......Kabutops can't learn Earthquake. D;


Vespiquen @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
Impish Nature
EV: 252 HP/ 124 Def/ 124 Sp Def
-Attack Order
-Heal Order
-Aerial Ace
-Destiny Bond
- Power Gem

Stab with being defensive....D:


Oh, crud. Kabutops CAN'T learn EQ... :(( My bad.


On the Vespiquen set... 5 attacks??
I planned on making her an offensive wall, btw.

[Bleach and Sunshine]

It relies on luck ok so that if one of your friend's works and another one doesn't work for you in the battle, causing you to lose, what would you do?
Edit: Who are calling n00b? Anti, sims, steel, name, iceman and probobly I can destroy you in battling.

You are just making it worse....

Candymancan, "hax" doesn't mean "hacked". It's a term that battlers use to describe items that rely on luck. Items like King's Rock and Quick Claw are hax items because they don't work 100% of the time. Besides, King's Rock doesn't improve damage, it causes flinching at 12% chance. So please, get your facts straight before you give people advice, and more importantly, don't flame people who are correct.


If you're that fond of flaming that you have to do it on the very first reply to the thread, then just get out and stay out. We don't need people like you in Pokecommunity.



Oh, crud. Kabutops CAN'T learn EQ... :(( My bad.


On the Vespiquen set... 5 attacks??
I planned on making her an offensive wall, btw.
It's not really flaming... and that's kinda harsh to say.


Power Gem is a mistake. Notice the space there unlike the other attacks. >_>

[Iceman3k]

I'll tell you why hax items are banned.

- King's Rock summons a flinch WHEN A FLINCH ISN'T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.

- Brightpowder cause a 100% accuracy attack to miss when it's not supposed to. Lax incense does the same thing obviously.

- Quick Claw makes a slow pokemon go first WHEN IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO.

It's items like those that make people angry, and that's exactly why people clause it, and in the Competitive Metagame, are banned items.


Choice Band, Choice Scarf, and Choice Specs, are Power Boosting items. They raise a designated Stat, but at the same time, the holder can only use 1 attack until they switch. They're not considered hax items, so do no refer to them as hax items.

[Arsibiyez]

It's not really flaming... and that's kinda harsh to say.

It kinda got to me as a flame, but I'll admit, I was being harsh. It's just that some people think they know what they're talking about, and brag about it. I hate that. It is my thread after all, and I wanna keep it clean. A sincere apology to Candymancan, should he view this thread again.

Power Gem is a mistake. Notice the space there unlike the other attacks. >_>


Oh, okay. But I'm not too sure of Destiny Bond yet. She's pretty slow, so I don't think Destiny Bond will do too well. Any other attack possible for that slot? I wanted to give her something to cover her weakness to Flying and Fire, that's why I placed Power Gem there in the first place.

[Candymancan]

Candymancan, "hax" doesn't mean "hacked". It's a term that battlers use to describe items that rely on luck. Items like King's Rock and Quick Claw are hax items because they don't work 100% of the time. Besides, King's Rock doesn't improve damage, it causes flinching at 12% chance. So please, get your facts straight before you give people advice, and more importantly, don't flame people who are correct.


If you're that fond of flaming that you have to do it on the very first reply to the thread, then just get out and stay out. We don't need people like you in Pokecommunity.




Oh, crud. Kabutops CAN'T learn EQ... :(( My bad.


On the Vespiquen set... 5 attacks??
I planned on making her an offensive wall, btw.



Listen for one im not flaming im stating my point towards and item i dont think should be banned. If you saw me flaming youd know it trust me on that kid which you will see soon. 2 HAX means HACKS you moron, iv noticed pokemon people tend to use terms that means one thing but they seem to make up another meaning to it which doesnt make sense for example

Larvitar "@" Leftover's. You do relise @ means AT which doesnt make sense but in pokemon i soppose it does but that doesnt mean its the true meaning.

Same goes with Hax it means hacks and if you played anything other then pokemon you would know.

I made a suggestion what i thought would work for your pokemon and i was the one who first posted here not him so where are you getting that he made the first post lol ?. People "like me" lol thats funny listen kid im not gonna argue with a idiot like you, like someone already stated here i didnt make any flaming comments i said what i thought about an item and if you dont like it well too bad go cry to your mommy.

You wanna keep going ? Cuss i can go all day



Also you can say you him and her ect can beat me in duel guess what i dont care lol, you can keep on thinking that but really i dont care lol your to insignificant for me to worry about lol. To me your nothing but a peice of trash talking trash

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Listen for one im not flaming im stating my point towards and item i dont think should be banned. If you saw me flaming youd know it trust me on that kid which you will see soon. 2 HAX means HACKS you moron, iv noticed pokemon people tend to use terms that means one thing but they seem to make up another meaning to it which doesnt make sense for example

Maybe if you'd actually put some facts behind your argument, we'd consider it :/ And Iceman3k expalined it well. Choice band adds to the startegy of the game. Hax items are merely cheap.

Larvitar "@" Leftover's. You do relise @ means AT which doesnt make sense but in pokemon i soppose it does but that doesnt mean its the true meaning.

I can't belive you're actually venting about how @ Leftovers doesn't make any sense. OMG, this is pretty funny!

Same goes with Hax it means hacks and if you played anything other then pokemon you would know.

lol wut

That didn't make any sense. And wait, you're bashing us for playing pokemon too much ON A POKEMON FORUM! This is like a comedy act!

I made a suggestion what i thought would work for his pokemon. People "like me" lol thats funny listen kid im not gonna argue with a idiot like you, like someone already stated here i didnt make any flaming comments i said what i thought about an item and if you dont like it well too bad go cry to your mommy.

I thought you said you weren't flaming lol...reported lol

And every last person in this thread is correct. I'm so sick of people like you flaming my friends and myslef without ANY GOOD REASON and acting high and mighty.

You wanna keep going ? Cuss i can go all day

With flaming apparently.

Also you can say you him and her ect can beat me in duel guess what i dont care lol, you can keep on thinking that but really i dont care lol your to insignificant for me to worry about lol. To me your nothing but a peice of trash talking trash

Look who's talking.

lol reported lol

I usual;ly leave this up to the mods, but I HAVE to defend my friends on this. You did this in your own RMT threads to me and sims, to the mods in the thread in the communioty questions and feedback, and now here.

I am quite amused by how you're calling all of us immature little kids, yet YOU'RE the one who's being a flaming little n00b. God am I sick of hearing this every time I turn on the freakin computer.

And if it was boo you were talking about, he is willing to learn, and might not be great now, but you'd be amazed at what a little bit of time can do to somebody's knowledge. What you said was totyally out of line, and makes me sick.

EDIT: Great, no mods are on...

[Candymancan]

Lol reported wahhhh get a life loser.

Seriusly you need reading lessons. I said i didnt make any flamming comments if you saw me flamming you would know which you will see soon.


Which means i didnt flame but i am now seriusly you guys make me wanna puke. No one was talking to you anyway so mind your own buisness and stop trying to defend another idiot who cant do it for himself.

All your quotes and comment are comical to me so keep going. Like i said i can do this all day.


To me you are immature little kids. I agree everytime i turn my computer on all i see is someone like you posting useless crap keeping a pointless argument going. I said 5 posts above i didnt want to continue the argument and flood the thread but SOMEONE kept going and now we end up here.

I dont take **** from anyone and i wont stop until they do so please go crawl ina hole and die cuss your getting tiresome

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

It's "flaming" niot "flamming." :/ but with no mods around, I guess I'll try to be a MATURE person and ignore your flames and derogatory comments.

With Breloom, spore puncher is nice, but adding sub won't hurt, since sleep clause is not fun. you also are gonna need to be wary of status absorbers, like CBcross with sleep talk, a common switch-in to breloom in 3rd gen. There'a also sleep clause, which can ruin breloom's fun.

With Kabutops...meh, I don't know much about it.
I'd take out X Scizzor though, try another physical attack.

[Candymancan]

It's "flaming" niot "flamming." :/ but with no mods around, I guess I'll try to be a MATURE person and ignore your flames and derogatory comments.

With Breloom, spore puncher is nice, but adding sub won't hurt, since sleep clause is not fun. you also are gonna need to be wary of status absorbers, like CBcross with sleep talk, a common switch-in to breloom in 3rd gen. There'a also sleep clause, which can ruin breloom's fun.

With Kabutops...meh, I don't know much about it.
I'd take out X Scizzor though, try another physical attack.


As will i, i wanted this to end like i said about 5 posts above but some person started quoting crap and saying i was flaming which at the time i wasnt.


Anyway Peace

[Arsibiyez]

I'm forced to bring up the ignore list yet again. I lol-ed half to death after reading those last few posts! I lol-ed another fourth of myself to death after I read the guy's sig!! Someone obviously hasn't read the rules of the forums. :/

Anti-pop, thanks plenty for the defense. I'd like to ask for your permission to add you into my friends list. May I?

(waits for mod)


Back on topic, if ever I'd replace X-Scissor, what should I put in its place? It seems to be the only decent attack for me to use against Grass-types.

Brick Break, Aerial Ace, Rapid Spin, Aqua Jet and Night Slash look like decent moves. Any possiblities there?

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

I'm forced to bring up the ignore list yet again. I lol-ed half to death after reading those last few posts! I lol-ed another fourth of myself to death after I read the guy's sig!! Someone obviously hasn't read the rules of the forums. :/

Tell me about it. Thank god we're getting a new mod to help out smarties. You'd think somebody would realize that calling people little kids and idiots is flaming, but I guess not.

Anti-pop, thanks plenty for the defense. I'd like to ask for your permission to add you into my friends list. May I?

Yes. Anybody who isn't arrogant enough to drive me nuts deserves a spot on mine as well :)

(waits for mod)


Back on topic, if ever I'd replace X-Scissor, what should I put in its place? It seems to be the only decent attack for me to use against Grass-types.

Who uses grass types? Just switch out.

Brick Break, Aerial Ace, Rapid Spin, Aqua Jet and Night Slash look like decent moves. Any possiblities there?

I say Night slash, though rapid spin would be great so skarm doesn't spike you to death.

Edit in bold. *Tries to stay on-topic* You could use a CB breloom ;) I mean, EVERYTHING would expect spore puncher...it's worth a shot lol

[Raziel_X007223]

These are a few Pokemon I've decided to try out. I don't know how to distribute their EVs yet, except for the usual 252/252/6 spreads. Anywho, here they are.


Kabutops @ Leftovers
Trait: Swift Swim
Adamant Nature Not Bad, Consider though Eving in Speed to make up for the slowness.
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
- Rain Dance Gone Period.. Stone Edge here and nothing else.
- Waterfall
- X-Scissor Ok, I guess, Still, I can't help wondering if Night Slash would be better....(against grass-types, most obviously.)
- Earthquake NG... No Good. Can't learn.. Might be a good time to either add Night Slash or Another High Crit move here....(against electrics who may take advantage of Rain Dance)


Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
Jolly Nature
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 Def
- Spore
- Focus Punch
- Seed Bomb
- Stone Edge *angels sing in background*

No recommendations here.. Good Move set in my book, again, the others might have something to say, so go with them in conjuction with mine,....


Vespiquen @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
Brave Nature Wrong... Impish here exclusively...
- Attack Order Defense Order.... Nuff said
- Heal Order
- Sludge Bomb The better chioce is Toxic, but if you're looking to do justice here, then I'll giev you credit for Sludge Bomb.. Good Move, Just not with her...
- Power Gem

Needs work. Please help?


Everything will be in Red and Bold..

To boot, I'm not here to flame or to discriminate, I'm an analyist and I enjoy helping people...

As for this Arguement on HAX... No Comment.


After looking at these three, Not bad. There is some room to improve, but overall... Good choices... Thanks for the privilege to comment for this post... HH

Raziel X

[sims796]

I don't get it. Didn't you apologize to Candymancan for jumping to concusions?

I kinda like X-Scizzor. But then again, Aerial Ace is good, since it hits fighting types as well.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Kabutops needs rain dance for speed :/ Otherwsie, it turns into a poor Feraligatr immatator.

[Iceman3k]

I said i didnt make any flamming comments if you saw me flamming you would know which you will see soon.
O rly?

if you dont like it well too bad go cry to your mommy.
Hmm?

2 HAX means HACKS you moron
lol

im not gonna argue with a idiot like you
Wow that doesn't look like flaming either does it

This is just too good for words. Shall I continue?

Lol reported wahhhh get a life loser.
That's most definitely the mature way to deal with things.

Seriusly you need reading lessons. I said i didnt make any flamming comments if you saw me flamming you would know which you will see soon.
I guess what you classify as "flamming" and what I classify as flaming are 2 different things.

Which means i didnt flame but i am now seriusly you guys make me wanna puke. No one was talking to you anyway so mind your own buisness and stop trying to defend another idiot who cant do it for himself.
Oh my god. =/

All your quotes and comment are comical to me so keep going. Like i said i can do this all day.
Then it won't take long for you to get temporarily suspended, will it?

To me you are immature little kids. I agree everytime i turn my computer on all i see is someone like you posting useless crap keeping a pointless argument going. I said 5 posts above i didnt want to continue the argument and flood the thread but SOMEONE kept going and now we end up here.
You know what you could've did to end the argument? IGNORE US.

I dont take **** from anyone and i wont stop until they do so please go crawl ina hole and die cuss your getting tiresome
Wow, even more flaming. I think you'll make a great forum entertainer. =)

Anyway, with that aside, I don't think I ever gave feedback on Mr. Satsusen's team, so I think I'll do that.


These are a few Pokemon I've decided to try out. I don't know how to distribute their EVs yet, except for the usual 252/252/6 spreads. Anywho, here they are.


Kabutops @ Life Orb
Trait: Swift Swim
Adamant Nature
EVs: 172 HP / 252 Atk / 28 Def / 56 Spd
- Rain Dance
- Waterfall
- X-Scissor (against grass-types, most obviously.)
- Stone Edge
Kabutops can't Earthquake, sadly =(
And Rain Dance Kabutops doesn't really need that much Speed. 210 to start is enough.

Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
Jolly Nature
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 Def
- Spore
- Swords Dance
- Sky Uppercut
- Stone Edge *angels sing in background*
If you plan on running all Speed, then you have a better shot of just using Swords Dance. Otherwise, run with a defensive EV Spread.

Vespiquen @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
Brave Nature
- Attack Order
- Heal Order
- Sludge Bomb
- Power Gem

Needs work. Please help?
Can't help you on Vespiquen at the moment, but I'll figure something later.

[Lumine]

I'm not going to join in the flame wars as I don't like making enemies so I'm going to try and avoid this....

Vespiquen is kinda NU/UU tanker, try Umbreon / Swampert or something similar.

[Raziel_X007223]

Kabutops needs rain dance for speed :/ Otherwsie, it turns into a poor Feraligatr immatator.

Good point.... Though, he does have the speed already, it can alone with some EV training Outrun just about everything.... Rain Dance i see is a waste of one turn.. the turn that might cost you one pokemon...

But again, that's just me here...

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

I'm not going to join in the flame wars as I don't like making enemies so I'm going to try and avoid this....

Vespiquen is kinda NU/UU tanker, try Umbreon / Swampert or something similar.

Umbreon is fail. though yeah, swampert is a total beast. Don't get me started...lol

[Arsibiyez]

Seeing as Kabutops does have a double weakness to grass... I guess I should've seen it faster in Lumine's post. He mentioned that Ludicolo could take advantage of the Rain Dance. All this time I thought he was talking about Rain Dish. *lols at self*
Hmm... I'll try Rapid Spin. No weakness to steel, hooray. Resistant to Forry's booming, hooray. :D


Oh, and by the way Lumine, I've seen the comparison between an Adamant Breloom and a Jolly Breloom. And Jolly proved to be the more useful nature to me in Sapph. I needed those good quick Spores so I could use Bulk Up. It helped a whole lot in surviving Aerial Aces. :)

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Satsusen, why did you keep breloom in to get hammered by repeated aerial aces? :/

Rapid spin...wise choice. You shouldn't be staying in against grassers anyhow...

[Lumine]

@APCW13
Lulz you really despise Umbreon dontchu? =P
Anyways want me to give a set for Swampert then?

@Satsusen
Awesome then Jolly Breloom it is for you =)

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Eh, I only know 3rd gen mixpert. Here goes lol

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers ** Swampstar
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 120 SAtk
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Rest

I guess it could work in 4th too...

[Lumine]

Eh, I only know 3rd gen mixpert. Here goes lol

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers ** Swampstar
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 120 SAtk
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Rest

I guess it could work in 4th too...

Is this 3rd / 4th gen issue?

And can I suggest a sleep talker set?

[Arsibiyez]

Oh no, far from hammering, Anti-pop! Bulking Up first gave me enough defenses to survive a hit (with enough HP to survive probably 3 more with Leftovers), after which I knocked that Skarm clear into the sky with a Focus Punch. But I didn't switch out 'coz I had already made 4 buffs, so it would've been a waste. I didn't sweep the whole team with that Breloom though, but it did enough. Long story short, I won that battle.

BUT THAT WAS 3RD GEN. :D

The 4th gen Breloom was blessed with the ability to learn Rock-type attacks. I'm so happy... =']

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Is this 3rd / 4th gen issue?

And can I suggest a sleep talker set?

Milotic is much better for that. Mixpert is the best set I've used, but it's 3rd gen, so we need new opinions...

[Arsibiyez]

Didn't 4th gen Pert usually have Hammer Arm? :/

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Didn't 4th gen Pert usually have Hammer Arm? :/

Noit that I know of. Mixpert is pwnage. With 236 SAtk, you OHKO CBmecvne...and I'd assume specsmence too, though I'm not really sure...hydro pump hammers skarm and even gengar pretty dang hard on the switch. Both usually like to absorb EQ, and hydro pump lets 'em have it.

[Lumine]

This is what I was thinking (sorry not familiar with 3rd gen stuff but I tried my best)

Swampert @ Leftovers
Relaxed Nature
EVs: 240 HP / 58 SAtk / 212 Def
Relaxed
-Earthquake
-Ice Beam
-Protect/Hidden Power (Electric)
-Surf/Hydro Pump?

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Swampert usually has roar or rest in the 3rd slot. I've never seen one with HP electric.

[Lumine]

Swampert usually has roar or rest in the 3rd slot. I've never seen one with HP electric.

Actually try this set

Swampert @ Leftovers
Relaxed Nature
EVs: 240 HP / 58 SAtk / 212 Def
Relaxed
-Earthquake
-Ice Beam
-Hidden Power (Electric)
-Hydro Pump

[Arsibiyez]

Hmm... I guess Hammer Arm is/was a novelty move on Pert. Anyway, this wasn't really supposed to be all on a team. I just wanted to give Vespi a chance so that maybe eventually I could incorporate her into a team where her potential as an offensive wall could be put to good use.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Actually try this set

Swampert @ Leftovers
Relaxed Nature
EVs: 240 HP / 58 SAtk / 212 Def
Relaxed
-Earthquake
-Ice Beam
-Hidden Power (Electric)
-Hydro Pump

Igf HP electric is for gyarados, rock slide is better for that...swampert needs some form of recovery IMO, which is why I use rest, and roar is good for annoying little CMcunes and the likes.

[Bleach and Sunshine]

Oh, okay. But I'm not too sure of Destiny Bond yet. She's pretty slow, so I don't think Destiny Bond will do too well. Any other attack possible for that slot? I wanted to give her something to cover her weakness to Flying and Fire, that's why I placed Power Gem there in the first place.

Power Gem can work then if you had that consideration. But would it survive the attacks?

*avoids Flame war*

[Smarties-chan]

Candymancan, it seems the last warning I gave you because of your serious attitude problem hasn't helped you at all. Therefor I shall give you another. Even if you don't agree with someone else, you can still behave like a civilized person. Funny how you call others immature, but at the same time you're the one throwing insults at people.

Oh, and by the way, if you would have played Pokémon, you'd know that even if "Hax" means hacked in other games, in Pokémon it means twisting the odds or getting ridiculously lucky with added effects and the like.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

THANK YOU SMARTIES! Now then...

It just occured to me we don't even know if Satsusen wants to use swampert O_O But if you do, I encourage you go with mixpert. Cursepert is okay, but not as good...

[Arsibiyez]

How does one properly utilize Swampert anyway? I've always made mine a Physical Wall-sweeper.

Power Gem can work then if you had that consideration. But would it survive the attacks?

*avoids Flame war*

I'd give her full HP EVs, most likely. And with her defenses, yeah, I'm guessing she would. I'd avoid Rock as much as I can, though. :|

EDIT: SMARTIES-CHAN! Thank you! (Are you really just 10 yrs old? That's incredible... 0_o)

[Lumine]

Igf HP electric is for gyarados, rock slide is better for that...swampert needs some form of recovery IMO, which is why I use rest, and roar is good for annoying little CMcunes and the likes.

Swampert don't usually need Rock Slide but since I've never tried Swampy with Rock Slide I'm not going to argue there...

I was thinking..swap either EQ/ Hy Pump for Rest?

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

How does one properly utilize Swampert anyway? I've always made mine a Physical Wall-sweeper.

Swampert is too slow to sweep. It counter TTar very niceley, and takes a chunk out of skarmblissdol, mostly skarm. It can't really hurt bliss much, especially since levitators and flyers switch in like crazy against it, which is hydro pump's main use. It 2HKOs skarm, though I haven't run claculations for claydol.

It is mostly a tank really, and can PHaze too. With enough special attack, ice beam will be totally loling at dragons (and with enough defense and HP, swampert can take a hit easily from Cbmence and launch back IB for the OHKO). It was the best starter ever, though infernape now gives it a run for its money.

[Lumine]

You know what Im thinking? Swampert will own in a Trick Room user team..and lets EQ stay since steel types are common nowadays (feed that to TTar hmm), oh plus the Ice Beam for Mence, Garchomp and all that jazz..

[Arsibiyez]

Blissey... THAT'S why that Swampert had Hammer Arm! Lol!

Okay, okay... So my old Pert wasn't exactly a "sweeper" per se. I guess I misused the term. I meant that it could take out a lot of enemies by itself. I think "tank" would've been the appropriate term. Sorry for the mix-up.

I've always loved Swampert, but felt too incompetent in using him competitively since I didn't know which one of his many builds to use in battle most efficiently. He became confusing to me, and I stopped using him altogether.


Follow-up: Could a mod please delete the unnecessary flame war posts and quotes from the thread, please? They kinda bring me down everytime I have to scroll past them. Thank you!

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Well, mixpert is the best build IMO. Blissey probbaly won't be staying in long against swampert anyways, so yeah...