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DragonTrainer
June 27th, 2004, 10:13 AM
Well, which do yall think is the best browser? Currently I ma using firefox, but it seems to load slow for me...

~DragonTrainer:dragonite

Imakuni?
June 27th, 2004, 10:21 AM
fire fox with a cable modem imho.

aRedMoon
June 27th, 2004, 10:28 AM
FireFox foreva homies. :D

Though IE does seem to load vB pages faster for me...

Master Kwesi Nkromah
June 27th, 2004, 10:29 AM
Uhg... well it aint IE thats for sure. The funny thing is everyone uses it so I have no choice but to build websites around it >_<. For my time I choose Firefox. No browser is perfect but firefox comes close enough for right now.

The first thing I that attracted me to it was its standards compliance with W3 which makes it so much easier to design sites. Then there are other features like skin able interfaces, tabbed browsing, and popup blocking, but that can be found on a lot of IE shells. So I dont know, it just seems like firefox is kinda keeping pace with technology while ie lays stagnate. The only problem I have with it is how much memory it can use if your doing allot of work with it.. oh and how long it takes to load the advanced editor here in the community.

Opera is ugly

Netscape.. hmm, dunno what to say bout Netscape the only thing to come to my mind is too much! Netscape has allot of full add-ons that I really dont care for. It also sucks that pages that arent designed with Netscape in mind look messed-up too.

Kairi
June 27th, 2004, 11:42 AM
Operahave you tired to load PC with it? Takes for freakin EVER. Ugh. >_>;

Anyways, I use an IE shell MYIE2 simply cause I need the WYSIWYG support to work with MSWord, but I still do feel the occasional IE exploit and lack of standards support. Oh well.

aRedMoon
June 27th, 2004, 11:47 AM
I've heard that myIE2 is pretty good, but I've never personally tried it out. And I've heard mixed opinions about Opera... I have it downloaded, but I've never taken the time to download it. =/

I basically have to use FireFox, because my IE is so hoazed due to stupid toolbars and stuff that I don't even bother to try and get rid of... >_> It's so obsurd... but at least I don't get the continual pop-ups that my parents get.

Thomas
June 27th, 2004, 11:47 AM
I think that IE6 is the best, even though that most people dont think so.

Kairi
June 27th, 2004, 11:48 AM
Firefox is nice, and if I didnt spend almost all my web time on vBullitens Id probably use it. But nyah, mainstream support and whatnot with Word.

aRedMoon
June 27th, 2004, 11:53 AM
I go to like 2 vBs, so the slow loading isn't all that bad for me. I just hope that version 1.0 loads a bit faster.

amphros23, have you tried any other browsers? o_O

Kairi
June 27th, 2004, 11:55 AM
Its not the loading, its the fact it retains the font from MSWord so I dont have to change it every time; I type my posts in Word and then cut/paste em.

aRedMoon
June 27th, 2004, 11:58 AM
I was referring to this part of your post.Firefox is nice, and if I didnt spend almost all my web time on vBullitens Id probably use it.

And so that's why you have the [*font=arial] around each paragraph! I was always curious why you did that.

Master Kwesi Nkromah
June 27th, 2004, 12:05 PM
maybe it's bout time for me to get up off my high horse and head back over to IE... Lol I was about to say somthing like "there's no beating it! I have no other choice" but then i remember the conversation we were having about big businesses in the O/S thread. haha

Thomas
June 27th, 2004, 12:25 PM
I go to like 2 vBs, so the slow loading isn't all that bad for me. I just hope that version 1.0 loads a bit faster.

amphros23, have you tried any other browsers? o_O

Ive used AOL and the Earthlink browser but that is it.

Kipkip
June 27th, 2004, 12:40 PM
Here's all the browsers I've tried:
IE: Do I hvae to say more?
Avant Browser: IE clone that dose what ever Mozilla has and IE dosen't. Crashes too much.
Opera: There's a freakin' banner ad on the browser! What is up with that?
Konqueror: Mozilla Clone.
Galeon: Mozilla clone except ugly.
Netscape: Same as Mozilla. Well actually, Mozilla is Netscape.
Mozilla: Good.
Mozilla Firefox: Best browser ever. Well, it's the same as Mozilla except it's stand-alone and looks nicer. It even has cool add-ons.
Yeah, I have reviewed a lot of them. Some you may have never heard of some too. So I say Firefox is best but the problem is that IE people code websites wrong and we Firefox users have to suffer with bad coding.
:disappoin

aRedMoon
June 27th, 2004, 12:51 PM
IE people code websites wrong and we Firefox users have to suffer with bad codingDon't I know it... >_>

Ive used AOL and the Earthlink browser but that is it.Try firefox, and see what you have to say after that. =/

DragonTrainer
June 27th, 2004, 12:53 PM
Ok, I've used firefox, but I deleted it, I think I am running the old version of it. Anyone have the link to donwload the newest version of firefox?

~DragonTrainer:dragonite

Flaming Torchic
June 27th, 2004, 1:03 PM
Although Mozilla does look a bit prettier, I still have to go with IE. When I use mozilla to go to sites, a huge majority of them looked messed up (including all vB forums). The text will not be placed where it is supposed to be, and all of the avatars are pushed off to the side, making it looked messed up. Also, it seems to mess up the colour font on vB forums too. Sometimes, people's posts and their location will be coloured a certain colour. o_O;

EDIT: Here it is DT: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

aRedMoon
June 27th, 2004, 2:05 PM
When I use mozilla to go to sites, a huge majority of them looked messed up (including all vB forums). The text will not be placed where it is supposed to be, and all of the avatars are pushed off to the side, making it looked messed up. Also, it seems to mess up the colour font on vB forums too. Sometimes, people's posts and their location will be coloured a certain colour. o_O;The reason being is that Mozilla reads coding the way it's supposed to be read, unlike IE. IE reads code wrongly, and that's what most developers use to test out their product, so if it looks right in IE, they say "Oh, it'll look fine everywhere."

And the font coloring is normally because someone has messed up coding in their signatures.

Sakura and Espeon
June 27th, 2004, 2:40 PM
I think Firefox is better although it doesn't support all the features in IE. ;)

atleast it's not bloated...

aaaaaa
June 27th, 2004, 3:03 PM
What people need to understand that the ratified standards mean absoluely crap all.
What makes a product is compliance with the leading product. Sure, Explorer doesn't follow the ratified standards, however, it's really leniant when it comes to accepting poorly scripted data *cough*css*cough*, and EVERYONE uses it.
So designers builds sites for it.
Firefox still feels bloated, refuses to follow accepted standards and adheres strictly to ratified ones. Which means alot of things that work fine under explorer, don't work in Firefox.
When will they learn? Don't make a browser standards compliant, make it explorer compliant.
And maybe people who give a crap how their web looks will use it.
Until then, I quite happy use Internet Exploder.

Hiroshi Sotomura
June 27th, 2004, 3:05 PM
Alyssa, you made that bad coding that Firefox can't handle >_>;

I practically dumped IE. My site doesn't support it anymore. Those stupid visitors either get something other than IE or they suffer the frames and text leaking off the screen.

aRedMoon
June 27th, 2004, 3:13 PM
As FireFox is becoming more and more well known, webdesigners are beginning to code in a more correct way, and for some reason I doubt that the Longhorn version of IE will be as behind the times as it current is. Microsoft knows that people are starting to go to different browsers because of the tabs, whatelse, and they will move with the times.

FireFox, Opera, all 'dem are ahead of IE, and IE needs to catch up. As do the silly webmasters that code for IE.

Sakura and Espeon
June 27th, 2004, 3:16 PM
Bad coding.... yes... I forgot the # from the hex codes, ^_^... so it will look bad when view in mozilla..

But it's kinda funny though. ^_^

aRedMoon
June 27th, 2004, 3:17 PM
IE will read <font color="000000">???

That's just absurd. -.-;

aaaaaa
June 27th, 2004, 3:18 PM
Wow, if FireFox and Opera are so 'advanced' I wonder why I can't go to any given site on the web and be assured it'll work? Thats advancement, for sure.
Explorer will advance to meet the needs of consumers when the time comes.
SP2 Explorer has pop-up blocking at last.
People don't understand that Microsoft have to tread VERY lightly with Explorer, and what they implement. Every new feature is a potential anti-competative behaviour lawsuit.

I'm sorry, but people will ALWAYS use Explorer.
Netscape/Mozilla have tried so very hard to loosen it's grip since like..1994, but here we are, 10 years later, and Microosft still have the dominant browser.
Funny that.

As for that retarded 'Silly Webmasters who Code for IE' comment, I'm sure if you were getting paid six figures to maintain a big site, you'd code for the browser 99.9% of the population uses, too.


Edit: And yes, IE will render a hex color without the requirement of a leading hash sign. Why shouldn't it? It's absurd NOT to.

Hiroshi Sotomura
June 27th, 2004, 3:43 PM
a1337a: I doubt it. You all will be running Windows XP and you'll be stuck with Internet Explorer in Service Pack 2! Why? Because after SP2, only Longhorn and later will have the newer versions and you have to upgrade to get them!

aaaaaa
June 27th, 2004, 3:49 PM
So?
I'm already running Longhorn on my Barton box.
And when it goes RC2, it'll get installed on my primary box.
I'll still be using Internet Explorer, it'll STILL be the dominant browser, and I'll still be able to view any page I like and have it work.
I'm not sure exactly what kind of point you were trying to make, but I have a feeling it failed.

Hiroshi Sotomura
June 27th, 2004, 3:59 PM
Err... the point was to warn users who still had Windows 95, 98, 2000, ME, or XP and would stick with it. The retail longhorn will be expensive. x_x;

aRedMoon
June 27th, 2004, 4:03 PM
*cough* That's if you buy it.

You could just download it or borrow it off a friend like you can with XP.

aaaaaa
June 27th, 2004, 4:04 PM
I'm not sure where you get your information, but whatever.
It'll be about the same cost as Windows XP on launch. Probably a slightly cut down version for the masses, on a $49/$99/$149 price tag for the upgrade.
People stick with an OS until a new one is released, generally.
So uh..I still don't see the point of your previous post, "You all will be running Windows XP and you'll be stuck with Internet Explorer in Service Pack 2! Why? Because after SP2, only Longhorn and later will have the newer versions and you have to upgrade to get them!". Again I ask, so? The SP2 edition of Explorer will do us fine until Longhorn.

Edit: Any version of XP that you 'borrow off a friend' was never paid for in the first place. So you of course mean, "XP that you get a pirated copy of, from a friend", right?

Arcanine
June 27th, 2004, 4:12 PM
Well to me FireBird is the best (from what I used).
I mean IE sucks <_<; (pop ups, slow and other stuff). And I can get on the internet when dialing up faster then I can get FireFox to load the first time (I mean if I closed it and when opened a new window it takes forever to load that). So that is why I went back to FireBird and that is why I like it best.

aaaaaa
June 27th, 2004, 4:14 PM
You could always install Service Pack 2 for Windows XP, and get integrated pop-up blocking for Explorer, ya know.

aRedMoon
June 27th, 2004, 4:16 PM
Edit: Any version of XP that you 'borrow off a friend' was never paid for in the first place. So you of course mean, "XP that you get a pirated copy of, from a friend", right?Not for sure. A WinXP Pro version can legally be installed on multiple computers.


And you could always get a pop-up blocker. That solves a lot of problems. Yes, it does. *gasp*

aaaaaa
June 27th, 2004, 4:20 PM
No, it cannot.
Unless you have a volume licence, which trust me, you don't.
Each copy of Windows XP Professional is licensed for installation on a single machine only.
I'd love to know where your information comes from, because wherever it is, it's wrong.

Arcanine
June 27th, 2004, 4:48 PM
Well ok I could get a pop up blocker but FireBird also has tabs. IE don't have tabs like on Mozilla.

aaaaaa
June 27th, 2004, 4:51 PM
But really, what's the point of tabs in a Windows Browser?
The habbit is to look to the taskbar to switch windows, or else use Alt+Tab.
Tabbed browsers just make no sense to me, as they force you to relearn something you've known how to do for years.

Master Kwesi Nkromah
June 27th, 2004, 4:52 PM
Say word.
a1337A you sound just like Shinning Arcanine here and it seems like youre a devoted fan on Microsoft. The fact of the matter is, as a designer the better browser is the browser that allows me to do more with the web. Even with the second service pack IE poorly complies with W3 standards.

If in 20 years everyone is still using IE and in 20 years IE is still poorly complying with W3 standards, I will prolly program with IE in mind just like I do now. Its just the sensible thing to do but it doesnt mean its the best browser.

It's like carrying around a Visa when Brand X offers you 3x the benefits on purchases. You cary Visa cause its accepted everywhere.

aaaaaa
June 27th, 2004, 4:56 PM
I'm no devoted fan.
If I was, I'd have given them a few dollars over the years.
As of now, I've yet to do so.
I just use what works.

The point I'm trying to make is that W3 standards are really quite meaningless in todays internet, because Explorer does spit all over them, with no signs of changing it's ways.
I'd wager 99% of the world wide web is based on explorer standards, not on W3 standards.
Heck, I'd even say the W3 standards will change to fit explorer in time, rather than vice versa.
So when making a new browser, why go against the grain and comply to a standard no-one adheres to when making pages, anyway?

aRedMoon
June 27th, 2004, 5:10 PM
No, it cannot.
Unless you have a volume licence, which trust me, you don't.
Each copy of Windows XP Professional is licensed for installation on a single machine only.
I'd love to know where your information comes from, because wherever it is, it's wrong.Bleh, that's just what I've heard. >_>

The habbit is to look to the taskbar to switch windows, or else use Alt+Tab.
Tabbed browsers just make no sense to me, as they force you to relearn something you've known how to do for years.Because having multiple windows clutters up the taskbar. I have enough stuff in my taskbar (I wish you could hide more stuff in that one area to the right - I forget it's name), I really don't care to have 5 internet windows. Not to mention that it takes longer to load a new browser window than it does to open up a new tab - at least for me.

comply to a standard no-one adheres to when making pagesMore and more people are adhering to those now-a-days. I see more and more sites putting up the "Get FireFox" buttons and stuff, it just makes more sense to adhere to something that browsers should support.

Master Kwesi Nkromah
June 27th, 2004, 5:15 PM
I'm no devoted fan.
So when making a new browser, why go against the grain and comply to a standard no-one adheres to when making pages, anyway?To advance the World Wide Web.

You make a really good point, it seems to make more since to comply with MS standards then to comply with W3 but if you take a close look MS aint going nowhere.... in terms of support for diffrent technologies IE covers the bare minimum. And it seems to me that the same "standards" IE used in 97 are being used in 2004-05.

With IE standards the World Wide Web is stagnate (2nd time i used that word today lol), decrepid and just plain old with W3 it's dynamic and growing.

Sakura and Espeon
June 27th, 2004, 5:22 PM
Windows 9x is very unstable. Users should atleast stick with Windows 2000 the mininum, unless they are not bothered by the blue screens. ^_^

Master Kwesi Nkromah
June 27th, 2004, 5:27 PM
Windows 9x is very unstable. Users should atleast stick with Windows 2000 the mininum, unless they are not bothered by the blue screens. ^_^Lol, i think your in the wrong topi hun :D, you want to be in the OS thread. this is the browser thread.

Arcanine
June 27th, 2004, 5:30 PM
But really, what's the point of tabs in a Windows Browser?
The habbit is to look to the taskbar to switch windows, or else use Alt+Tab.
Tabbed browsers just make no sense to me, as they force you to relearn something you've known how to do for years.
Well like JK said it takes up space on the taskbar. Click the link below and look at all the tabs I have open. Then think what if all them was windows on the taskbar. I have MSN and two chats open on the taskbar and then add all them tabs and it would be a real mess (and most of the times I have like 10 PC tabs own just for looking around PC, then I also have other sites open).
http://img29.photobucket.com/albums/v87/Arcanine_88/pic.gif

aRedMoon
June 27th, 2004, 6:22 PM
That's a lot of tabs there Andy... I don't normally even have that many open.

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v254/jkaizer/clutter.gif
My taskbar is relativly clean, I normally have more AIM, some YIM, MSN, and ICQ all there. I don't really have the space to stick browsers.

Sakura and Espeon
June 27th, 2004, 6:37 PM
I don't open that much tabs on my window. ^_^. I don't open that much windows so the taskbar will look organized.

http://img35.photobucket.com/albums/v106/harukastorchic/tabs.gif

aRedMoon
June 27th, 2004, 6:50 PM
Wow... you only got two open. ;P

And that font is impossible to read... @.@


I couldn't live anymore without my tabs... and the bookmark toolbar! That's a big plus for FireFox IMO too.

Kairi
June 27th, 2004, 9:48 PM
But really, what's the point of tabs in a Windows Browser?
The habbit is to look to the taskbar to switch windows, or else use Alt+Tab.
Tabbed browsers just make no sense to me, as they force you to relearn something you've known how to do for years.Normally I agree with you, but bleh I couldnt live without tabs loading in the background. I hate a cluttered taskbar and XPs grouping really doesnt aid in that. I open a lot of pages at a time and like to through em one by one, using a mouse gesture to close and go on to the next. Thats why I use MYIE2 in the first place. I dont know, I guess sticking to one window at a time is okay, just seem inefficient to me when I can drag some links and have them be loading in the background. =\

usami
June 27th, 2004, 10:34 PM
Eh I'd have to say IE is the best out of the two ones I use *is forced to use AOL* I would try this Firefox but it most likley cost money which I don't have so I'm stuck with AOL and IE.

aRedMoon
June 27th, 2004, 11:11 PM
FireFox is completely free.

usami
June 27th, 2004, 11:21 PM
FireFox is completely free.
It is? I'm gonna download it then since I can't get to sleep right now.

aRedMoon
June 27th, 2004, 11:39 PM
Yes, it's completely free... and the new version is a pretty quick download too.

(If anyone has a installer for 0.8 let me know - I'd love to go back to it... >>)

usami
June 28th, 2004, 12:11 AM
I'm already loving Firefox the tabs are so cool, I may neve use AOL again althoguh I have to have it on for the internat connection >_>.

aRedMoon
June 28th, 2004, 12:36 AM
That sucks... >_>

Just minimize it and pretend it never existed. :P

Sakura and Espeon
June 28th, 2004, 8:10 AM
lol.... AOL doesn't deserve to exist... *sighs*

Firefox is a really nice browser... but is it a bit bloated?

PichuSecretBase
June 28th, 2004, 8:24 AM
*bleh* *scrolls down*

I hated Firefox. It's new window thing didnt open in tabs and ijust all out didn't like it

Opera has the evil ad of doooom and is to busy

IE is evil

MIE2 i had for about ten min til i went back to Avant and it was pretty cool

Avant is cool for me, tabbed browsing, nice and neet. One window, i just like it alot. And no it dosnet crash a lot. Oh and it keeps your windows open unless you physcically close it =3

aRedMoon
June 28th, 2004, 8:24 AM
Not really... it's pretty good for simple tasks, but if you want it to do more it can be pretty powerful.

And the download size is pretty good too, for such a good browser. (Even if it does have ugly buttons)

Edit:I hated Firefox. It's new window thing didnt open in tabs and ijust all out didn't like itThe target="_new" opens in a new window, like the code tells it to do. o_O And you can CTRL-click or Right click on the link to get it to open in a tab.


I'd like to see target="_tab" someday which would open in a new tab for browsers that supported it, and opens in a new window for those that don't.

Sakura and Espeon
June 28th, 2004, 8:29 AM
lol... I installed a new theme that replaces all those boring firefox buttons with cute ones. ;)..

To activate the tab bar, just add a new tab and close it. ;).. Avant Browser and MyIE uses too much memory for me. *sighs*

Kipkip
June 28th, 2004, 8:33 AM
Avant is cool for me, tabbed browsing, nice and neet. One window, i just like it alot. And no it dosnet crash a lot. Oh and it keeps your windows open unless you physcically close it =3
I liked Avant too but it crashed too much on my computer. It happened like at least 3 times a day. Now that I have Linux, and I can't run Avant.

TRIFORCE89
June 28th, 2004, 8:38 AM
Avant Browser is what I use too. It works well for me, but like it's already been stated in crashes alot. I get like one bad day a week of the browser crashing. It crashes from nothing though. When its "stuck" I look in the task manager and there is mysteriously two instances open, that messes it up for me and it crashes.

HIM
June 28th, 2004, 8:44 AM
I like FireFox the best, but when I got my new comp, it doesnt work so alls i can use is IE :( :( :(

aRedMoon
June 28th, 2004, 9:23 AM
It should work... you try redownloading it?

And I've never used Avant browser... I may try it out some day if it's free. =/

Sakura and Espeon
June 28th, 2004, 9:39 AM
Avant Browser is Free... ^_^

Maybe you need to enable it by using Permissions in SP1. To do this, click Add and Remove Programs in the Control Pannel, click Set Access and Permissions and Scroll down and click Firefox and click show this program or allow use of this program.