Shooting down any advice given.

[Sora_8920]

Since so many n00bs on here, are shooting down adivce, I thought i'd make a Thread about this.

1.) You're asking to get your Thread locked.
2.) People will call you a n00b, and that isn't good.
3.) Nobody is perfect, so take advice, please. Don't get us angry.

[spike6958]

lol just couse some people dont agree with the advice you give them dosn't mean there noobs

[Arcknight316]

Ahem. That was.....spam. *cough* And yeah, I agree with you, Spike.

[sims796]

lol just couse some people dont agree with the advice you give them dosn't mean there noobs

Obviously you don't get what he means.

Its when you ask for help, & then shoot down every bit of help. THAT makes you a noob.

& dark, if this is SPAM, why the HELL did you post? Spamming a SPAM thread. Honestly.

Though this is somewhat pointless thread.

[Arcknight316]

Obviously you don't get what he means.

Its when you ask for help, & then shoot down every bit of help. THAT makes you a noob.

& dark, if this is SPAM, why the HELL did you post? Spamming a SPAM thread. Honestly.

Though this is somewhat pointless thread.

Considering isn't the same as shooting down.

[sims796]

Considering isn't the same as shooting down.

But we are not talking about CONSIDERING. We are talking about SHOOTING DOWN ADVICE.

[spike6958]

Obviously you don't get what he means.

Its when you ask for help, & then shoot down every bit of help. THAT makes you a noob.

& dark, if this is SPAM, why the HELL did you post? Spamming a SPAM thread. Honestly.

Though this is somewhat pointless thread.

yeh but about 80% of the advice given is just personal pref which dosn't help much

[airconditioning]

I'm sorry, but if people don't read the stickies, they certainly won't read this.

Pointless-yet-well-intentioned thread is pointless.

[Arcknight316]

But we are not talking about CONSIDERING. We are talking about SHOOTING DOWN ADVICE.

Fine then. TESTING isn't the same as shooting down. You just don't get it, do you?

[sims796]

yeh but about 80% of the advice given is just personal pref which dosn't help much

No it is not. It is the basics, & what works best.

[Chérii]

You know, this kind of stuff can go in the How to Write an RMT Thread.

[sims796]

Fine then. TESTING isn't the same as shooting down. You just don't get it, do you?

Will you pay attention. We are NOT TALKING ABOUT TESTING. We are talking about shooting down advice.

This has nothing to do with your threaf.

[J-Rad]

Since so many n00bs on here, are shooting down adivce, I thought i'd make a Thread about this.

1.) You're asking to get your Thread locked.
2.) People will call you a n00b, and that isn't good.
3.) Nobody is perfect, so take advice, please. Don't get us angry.

amen itachi 2007 amen......

[sims796]

Azonic is right. I knew it goes somewhere just couldn't remember where.

[Anti]

Well, I won't get into this to avoid getting into trouble, but...

Regardless of if it's spam, I do have an opinion on this. first off, 80% of advice isn't personal preference. Experience would be a better word. Sure, I'd prefer to use CB blissey, but that wouldn't be so good...

But even it it was, it's no excuse for shooting down advice. If you disagree with the advice and say why, that's totally different. But making comments that aren't really true and often taking people out of context IS shooting advice down and is generally annoying.

It's just annoying to have people with suck narrow-minded views and nothing to back them up. With a bit of fact behind it, I'm cool. But otherwise...

[ultranerd57]

yeh but about 80% of the advice given is just personal pref which dosn't help much

Actually I'd say 80% of the advice is the standard moveset for that pokemon.

[spike6958]

Actually I'd say 80% of the advice is the standard moveset for that pokemon.

yeh but just because it's the standard moveset for that pokemon dosn't mean it has to be the one used and just because people say no to it dosn't mean there shooting down the advice, if everyone stuck to it the advice you give then there would be no point playing pokemon against other people couse everyone would be useing the same 6 pokemon with the same natures/attacks/items/ev's etc...., and where's the fun in that

[Anti]

yeh but just because it's the standard moveset for that pokemon dosn't mean it has to be the one used

But it IS the best set. which is why it's standard.

and just because people say no to it dosn't mean there shooting down the advice,

We never said that. Certain people aren't backing up their disagreement with any solid factual evidence to support it. that would be shooting down advice.

if everyone stuck to it the advice you give then there would be no point playing pokemon against other people couse everyone would be useing the same 6 pokemon with the same natures/attacks/items/ev's etc...., and where's the fun in that

Um, we give sets for the pokemon they're using, and SUGGEST replacements. we don't say "Use skarm, bliss, Mence, Zam, Weavile, Suicune. you fail if you don't use those." We don't do that...just an example though. I mean, we make corrections, nothing more...and until there is some fact behind the decision, it IS mindlessly shooting down advice, no matter how you spin it.

[airconditioning]

yeh but just because it's the standard moveset for that pokemon dosn't mean it has to be the one used and just because people say no to it dosn't mean there shooting down the advice, if everyone stuck to it the advice you give then there would be no point playing pokemon against other people couse everyone would be useing the same 6 pokemon with the same natures/attacks/items/ev's etc...., and where's the fun in that

The standards are standard for a reason. Why do you think nobody uses Wall Weavile?

Also, there are a lot of different Pokemon used in standard play, many of which can fill multiple roles. When you see a Garchomp, you don't know its build. It could be a Scarf Chomp and outspeed your sweeper, or it could be a Chainchomp and destroy your wall. And what happens if someone uses a UU? It's mind games like these that make the metagame interesting. Frankly, you sound like someone who's never played a real battle against a skilled opponent.

[Anti]

well those are pritiy much the only replacements you o suggest why not try suggesting other pokemon and mixing it up a little i mean there are almost 500to choose from that way the wifi battles, win or loose, will be alot more enjoyable

First of all, end punctuation.

Um, what is wrong with suggesting the best sets? Isn't that kind of the idea? If the thread starter wants a novelty set or doesn't want the standard, we'd be happy to post one :/

and 500 what? Could you maybe specify?

[Syaoran]

No, the advice given is mostly to fit the pokemon with the team and what it needs. And saying "no" to it is basically shooting it down, lol.

[spike6958]

The standards are standard for a reason. Why do you think nobody uses Wall Weavile?

Also, there are a lot of different Pokemon used in standard play, many of which can fill multiple roles. When you see a Garchomp, you don't know its build. It could be a Scarf Chomp and outspeed your sweeper, or it could be a Chainchomp and destroy your wall. And what happens if someone uses a UU? It's mind games like these that make the metagame interesting. Frankly, you sound like someone who's never played a real battle against a skilled opponent.

yeh and that i dont mind it's just when everyone has the exact same team as everyone elce which DOES seem to be the case at the moment(or maybe it just the ammount of noobs who are too lazy to think up there own teams) it makes the game extreamly boring and unchallanging.

[Faceless*]

Hey Itachi! Way to create a good flamewar thread!

[sims796]

Its more of a debate.

Also, if everyone uses the same team, it isn't boring. Plenty of strategies can made, skill isn't the same. It isn't the pokemon themselves that makes a team good.

[Angelic Diablo]

Skill does come into it... I mean consider the following, 2 players using SkarmBlissDol (Skarmory, Blissey, Claydol) combo to wall an opponents Electivire

1st Player sees Electivire and switches to Skarmory
Electivire uses Thunderbolt, Skarmory dies

2nd Player sees Electivire, contemplates Skarmory, remembers most Electivires carry Thunderbolt, and switches to Claydol
Electivire uses Thunderbolt, Claydol is immune

Even if everyone used the same pokemon, with the same movesets... The battles would still be totally intense and based off prediction and skill.

[spike6958]

Its more of a debate.

Also, if everyone uses the same team, it isn't boring. Plenty of strategies can made, skill isn't the same. It isn't the pokemon themselves that makes a team good.

actually, it's more everyone gang up on me instead of letting me have my own opinion and getting on with it.

[sims796]

This is what we mean. We aren't ganging up on you. We disagree. Plus, as the thread implies, you have given no real fact to back up your arguements. Besides, this was a message to the noobs, not a debate, your partially right.

[spike6958]

This is what we mean. We aren't ganging up on you. We disagree. Plus, as the thread implies, you have given no real fact to back up your arguements. Besides, this was a message to the noobs, not a debate, your partially right.

yeh but when people dissagree with you there shooting you down, everyone is intitled to an opinion i was just sticking up for mine and get flamed for it

[sims796]

Where did we ever flame you? This isn't an opinion thread. Its stating fact.

[spike6958]

whatever man, i just think that the game is starting to get boring because allmost everyone is using the same pokemon all the time, i mean there are allmost 500 of them, surely there are other pokemon and other movesets/nature ect that you can suggest for people along with the standards so that we can get a bit more variaty around here.

[sims796]

Now we lost sight of the thread. It isn't "I hate standards". Its noobs shooting down advice, with no real reason. You don't rate enough teams to know how that feels. Its annoying. If they won't consider advice, don't make a thread. Or have some reasoning behind it.

[airconditioning]

whatever man, i just think that the game is starting to get boring because allmost everyone is using the same pokemon all the time, i mean there are allmost 500 of them, surely there are other pokemon and other movesets/nature ect that you can suggest for people along with the standards so that we can get a bit more variaty around here.

Not really. At least half of those 500 are pre-evolutions, which suck (250). And then, there are Pokemon that just suck altogether, such as the entire NU tier (200). Then there are UUs that are outdone by OUs, or generally just can't compete in OU (100). Then the Ubers that are too powerful for standard play (80). And that's really what you're left with.

[spike6958]

Now we lost sight of the thread. It isn't "I hate standards". Its noobs shooting down advice, with no real reason. You don't rate enough teams to know how that feels. Its annoying. If they won't consider advice, don't make a thread. Or have some reasoning behind it.

well (this is just a suggestion) give them more options than just the standard, i do understand what you mean by them shooting down your advice for no reason must suck.

[sims796]

well (this is just a suggestion) give them more options than just the standard, i do understand what you mean by them shooting down your advice for no reason must suck.

No. We give what works. As airconditioning said, you probably haven't faced real opponents, or else you wouldn't have this attitude.

[spike6958]

No. We give what works. As airconditioning said, you probably haven't faced real opponents, or else you wouldn't have this attitude.

so you guys dont get bored of facing the same pokemon every time you battle, couse i do and i dont have a attitude i just don't see why you feel you can't make other suggestions, instead of the same 6 all the time

[sims796]

Skill does come into it... I mean consider the following, 2 players using SkarmBlissDol (Skarmory, Blissey, Claydol) combo to wall an opponents Electivire

1st Player sees Electivire and switches to Skarmory
Electivire uses Thunderbolt, Skarmory dies

2nd Player sees Electivire, contemplates Skarmory, remembers most Electivires carry Thunderbolt, and switches to Claydol
Electivire uses Thunderbolt, Claydol is immune

Even if everyone used the same pokemon, with the same movesets... The battles would still be totally intense and based off prediction and skill.

And I bring this up again.

WE. GIVE. WHAT. WORKS. Not novelty. You need to battle more.

I never said your attitude was negative. I was commenting on your somewhat limited views.

[ChrisG14]

People only rate what they see, if they have Mence/Nape/Vire/Skarm/Bliss/Weav, then that's what people rate. Hell, I love using Minun and it fails in competitive play. And if giving the standard is boring, then by all means, go find something new and see if it works.

But the problem is that there are only so many moves that benifit each Pokemon. I mean who the hell gives slow ass Herracross Reversal anymore? Who puts Egg Bomb on Blissey, who puts X-Scissor on Skarmory?

[spike6958]

i try to battle as much as i can when i have time, but i also have a life outside pokemon and im not going to give that up to play more pokemon(well maybe when PBR comes out in the uk for now im stuck with netbattle and Diamond), and i know you say you give what works and i understand that, it just that there only seem to be about 6 pokemon that "work"

[sims796]

I'm not critisizing you for not battling, but it will give you more experience before you comment.

Also, we all have a life outside poke. But we still have more experience.

[airconditioning]

i try to battle as much as i can when i have time, but i also have a life outside pokemon and im not going to give that up to play more pokemon(well maybe when PBR comes out in the uk for now im stuck with netbattle and Diamond), and i know you say you give what works and i understand that, it just that there only seem to be about 6 pokemon that "work"

Ah, the classic "Pokemon nerd" response. It's not like any of us have a life outside of Pokemon either. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Gamerman/Image%20Macros/yelwacko.gif

Well, I don't, but that's not the point.

And for the record, there are a lot more than 6 working Pokemon. Let's see, the Pokemon currently on the OU tier:

* Aerodactyl
* Alakazam
* Ambipom
* Azelf
* Blissey
* Bronzong
* Celebi
* Claydol
* Cresselia
* Donphan
* Dragonite
* Dugtrio
* Dusknoir
* Electivire
* Garchomp
* Gengar
* Gliscor
* Gyarados
* Heatran
* Heracross
* Hippowdon
* Infernape
* Jirachi
* Jolteon
* Lucario
* Machamp
* Magnezone
* Mamoswine
* Medicham
* Metagross
* Milotic
* Ninjask
* Porygon-Z
* Raikou
* Regice
* Rhyperior
* Salamence
* Skarmory
* Slaking
* Slowbro
* Snorlax
* Staraptor
* Starmie
* Suicune
* Swampert
* Togekiss
* Tyranitar
* Umbreon
* Weavile
* Weezing
* Zapdos

That's a lot of Pokemon (over 50), and that's not counting the BL Pokemon that are occasionally seen.

[spike6958]

I'm not critisizing you for not battling, but it will give you more experience before you comment.

Also, we all have a life outside poke. But we still have more experience.

ok, guy's i guess your right, sorry for been a prick this is just me been me when somthing become really popular/commmon i start to hate it and question it just about every aspect of it and get snappy, but i think i understand now, im going to work on a team that dosn't use the same pokemon as everyone elce and try my best to make to a good challange for you all. and if it works your all free to copy it lol

and airconditioning i do have a life outside pokemon (i know it's i still find it a shock that it's possible) my GF is 4months pregnant and im in collage doing an electrician course and im working and i play pokemon in my spare time.

[airconditioning]

I kind of think in the same mindframe. I despise Naruto, Bleach, and Inuyasha with a passion. I only use OUs because after a few battles, they start to grow on you.

[spike6958]

I kind of think in the same mindframe. I despise Naruto, Bleach, and Inuyasha with a passion. I only use OUs because after a few battles, they start to grow on you.

yeh im the same i can't watch Bleach and Inuyasha, Naruto i can just about watch if theres nothing elce on, but the pokemon anime i love(not that this is the place to talk about this)

[Arcknight316]

Not really. At least half of those 500 are pre-evolutions, which suck (250). And then, there are Pokemon that just suck altogether, such as the entire NU tier (200). Then there are UUs that are outdone by OUs, or generally just can't compete in OU (100). Then the Ubers that are too powerful for standard play (80). And that's really what you're left with.

lol, -130 pokemon left to use?

Anyway, here at PC, if you don't use the standard, PREPARE to GET FLAMED. It's a fact of life. :/

[spike6958]

lol, -130 pokemon left to use?

lol someone had to try and work this out anyway i think we all should do one of two things either let the thread die, or help it do what it was made for in the first place stopping noobs from shooting down advice,(i mean hey if it helped me it can help anyone lol)

[ChrisG14]

Why the hell is Dugtrio STILL OU? Even with Arena Trap, it still won't last long against Blissey or anything. It misses HP Bug severly. I've seen it like, 2 times on Shoddy.

[Smarties-chan]

Pointless topic. =\ Not only that, but this will most likely just turn out to be a flamewar anyway so I'll just go ahead and close it.

~Topic closed~