Whats with all the 3rd Generation Hate?

[Shadow_fire74]

Why does so many people hate the 3rd gen. so much?

It introduced natures, ivs, and evs which made battling a lot less boring.
It was the first handheld pokemon game with smooth graphics.
It also had some of the strongest and most well-designed pokemon *points to Salamence, Metagross, Gardevoir, Absol, and Flygon*

Whats so bad about it? It was my favorite generation...

[airconditioning]

First two points, I agree.

For me, what turns me off to 3rd gen is that the designs of many of the Pokemon just seem bland and uninspired, especially in Pokes like Hariyama and Salamence. Plus, Ruby was the game that made me give up Pokemon.

[Brock_Lee]

Here's a few problems with the 3rd gen:

-Lack of creativity with some pokes (Spinda, Luvdisc)
-some pokemon were seen as generally clones of previous pokes (Butterfree=Beautifly)
-No day/night system, which was a great concept
-Not all pokemon are capturable in R/S (only 202 out of 386) and since they came out before anyone knew about Fr/Lg, it was a major disappointment not being able to "Catch em all"
-R/S I guess for some people weren't as fun to play as the previous games. IMO R/S were the worst of all the pokemon games, but that doesn't make them bad at all. They just weren't as good as the others.

[Shadow_fire74]

First two points, I agree.

For me, what turns me off to 3rd gen is that the designs of many of the Pokemon just seem bland and uninspired, especially in Pokes like Hariyama and Salamence. Plus, Ruby was the game that made me give up Pokemon.

I agree but not all of their designs are bland and uninspired,
I mean Absol and Gardevoir are one of the very few pokemon from the third generation that are very well-designed.

[Dragonzilla]

Why does so many people hate the 3rd gen. so much?

It introduced natures, ivs, and evs which made battling a lot less boring.
It was the first handheld pokemon game with smooth graphics.
It also had some of the strongest and most well-designed pokemon *points to Salamence, Metagross, Gardevoir, Absol, and Flygon*

Whats so bad about it? It was my favorite generation...

i agree and I prefer the 3rd gen metagame to be honest..(my gosh im turning into anti)

[♥~*Abby*~♥]

Here's a few problems with the 3rd gen:

-Lack of creativity with some pokes (Spinda, Luvdisc)
-some pokemon were seen as generally clones of previous pokes (Butterfree=Beautifly)
-No day/night system, which was a great concept
-Not all pokemon are capturable in R/S (only 202 out of 386) and since they came out before anyone knew about Fr/Lg, it was a major disappointment not being able to "Catch em all"
-R/S I guess for some people weren't as fun to play as the previous games. IMO R/S were the worst of all the pokemon games, but that doesn't make them bad at all. They just weren't as good as the others.

That is SO true. However, that game introduced the fun concept of contests, and the starters were pretty good.

[PrinceSushi]

I completely missed 3rd gen because I never bought a GBA. It was only after I played diamond that I bought emerald. The game was a little boring(not too much to do after you beat it) but the pokemon and upgrades from G/S/C were great!

I love so many 3rd gen pokemon.

[HydroSeaDragon]

Many people hate the 3rd Gen? I didn't know that. :shocked:
Not me. I'm a loyal supporter of the 3rd Generation. :D

[Astinus]

Some people that hate the 3rd Generation are those who remember the old days of the 1st and 2nd Generations. When the 3rd Gen. came out, they thought that Nintendo and Game Freak just lost that interest in making Pokemon what it was back then: a fun game. With how simple the designs were and how little of a connection there was between old and new games, those who were fans of Pokemon from the start began to drift away.

That said, I do like the 3rd Gen. It's just not my favorite generation. The games just weren't as fun as they used to be. (I do like FireRed, but that can really only be counted as a remake of the 1st Gen.) Nothing was new and exciting. But there are a few Pokemon that I enjoy, such as Flygon.

Back then, however, I didn't know about IVs or EVs, so I guess that could be considered. Along with the fact that Pokemon as a whole was getting boring.

[Xanthine]

Side note, but...

It introduced natures, ivs, and evs which made battling a lot less boring.

IVs and EVs existed since RBY. They just haven't been going by the same names back then. Until GSC, EVs were known as Stat EXP, and IVs were known as DVs, if I recall correctly.

But that's a nitpick.

With that said, I've never really noticed any RSE hatred. A lot of people I know seem to like RSE and RSE Pokemon. There's a lot more love for the Hoenn legendaries, for example, than the Johto legendaries, from what I can tell, and generally, people prefer those better graphics. If there's any reason for hatred, it's probably best described by Brock. *shrug*

[gotron228]

back then i was too young to understand the concept of pokemon seeing I am 14 right now and i was like 8 but then when I was 9 I picked it up and played it i also enjoyed it but I think it was poorly written and done seeing some of the pokemon looked like demented clones and most of the pokemon like luvdisc looked really dumb

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Um, the 3rd gen metagame is by far the best in my eyes. 2nd gen has too much stalling, and 1st I just never was really good at :P

4th gen's is terrible. 90% offense, destroys the fun of it.

3rd generation is very difficult to master. In fact, I'm not even close. this is what makes it so fun. There is the perfect mix of all kinds of tactics. The only thing that is annoyuing is how much power skarmlbiss has, but you should be able to counter them anyways ;)

[Terry M]

I don't like 3rd gen because:

*There are only two pre-evos
*There are no evos
*No eons(eeveelutions)
*Most legendarys look robotic

I like some pokemon of 3rd gen though.

[Dragonzilla]

wow i totaly disagree w/ u, i honestly dont care about pre-evos they are a waste of pkedex space, evos are too unoriginal and most of the evee evelootions stink...the lati twins loooks robotic????

[Shiraishi]

Ok. I hate 3rd gen. SkarmBliss is dominant, I despised not getting lots of STABd attacks for pokemon, like Gyarados who doesn't have Waterfall..In 3rd gen, it seemed like their typing was only for resistances and not for STAB..I prefer the offensive change because stall wars are BORING. I like it that toxic is almost never used >.> The only drawback about 4th gen in my eyes, is Choice Scarfers who are hella annoying if they aren't standard. CS-Gengar always gets me -_-;

[fate]

I think it's nostalgia taken to an extreme in most cases.

Those of us who started with Red and Blue had fun with it, and had fond memories. G/S/C was welcome to us because it felt (and really was) as though it was a direct sequel to Red/Blue/Yellow. But when 3rd gen came around, it offered no connectivity to the games we started with it, and so we didn't really like it as much.

Myself, while I don't dislike the 3rd gen, it's probably my least favorite at this point. Don't get me wrong, I loved a lot of the pokemon from 3rd gen... but the games just didn't glue me like R/B/Y did.

[Shadowthinker]

It's my favourite generation it introduced double battles and i has strong pokemon.

[Kitoshi]

In my opinion, it just had a really different theme to it.

There were some good things about it:
Double battles legalized
Pokémon Contests

But there were also some things that I didn't like:

The colour is nice, but it's too colourful for my tastes. Generation II had a decent amount of colour as is without having things too colourful. It felt like you were in some kind of paradise no matter where you were.

The character design appears to be younger and more kind-hearted than Generations I & II.
Personally I liked the intimidating looks of the protagonists; made it feel like you controlled a real somebody than a little kid.

The enemy team leader is not really much of an intimidating fellow. But more of a psychotic individual who happens to be some ambitious land loving fool.
It's a change, but I'd prefer the world domination plan that Team Rocket has.

The music was much different than the past. Due to the GameBoy Advance's capabilities, the music is less open to interpretation.
The battle music sets a theme of a small pastime battle rather than a showdown between two monsters. The route themes sound relaxing though, but it's not what I'm used to.

The battles are decent; a bit time consuming for me, I'd prefer the old simpler battle system but that's just me. Double battles was a nice concept but I'm no tactician, I just like the adventure and exploring aspects of it more than I do battling.

Gone are the simplicity, wide appeal and fun.
In its place are complexity, childish appeal and strategy.

The third generation just feels different.
I know they put a lot of effort into it creating a new battle system to play with & upgrading to the latest graphics, but nearly everything about Pokémon just doesn't feel the same anymore since they were released.

[Golden Arcanine]

i have no problem with the III Gen frankly im glad pokemon made it that far and further the only porblem i had with it was the double battles were a little long the advnetures part was still there seeing new places and new pokemon so i was glad that they cept to the core game play atleast to some extent so those are the only cons i have towards it overall pretty good game from having to live up to the creativity of Gen I which nothing will ever be as good as and Gen II which was the game first with a whole new roster of catchable Pokemon. meaing nothin will ever be that good again but we can hope that Gen V will be a little bit more creative with the pokemon.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Ok. I hate 3rd gen. SkarmBliss is dominant,

Get a counter.

I despised not getting lots of STABd attacks for pokemon, like Gyarados who doesn't have Waterfall..

HP flying comes to mind.

In 3rd gen, it seemed like their typing was only for resistances and not for STAB..I prefer the offensive change because stall wars are BORING.

Stall wars are great. you hardly get them in ADV, you NEVER get them in D/P.

I like it that toxic is almost never used >.>

Because it's a sucky move.

The only drawback about 4th gen in my eyes, is Choice Scarfers who are hella annoying if they aren't standard. CS-Gengar always gets me -_-;

Which brings up why 4th gen ultimately fails as a metagame-it is 90% Offense. they've added the utterly broken specsmence, broken sandstorm 9yeah, regirock got A LOT better). sad part is that that is one of the only changes the defensive side of battles.

I personally think all pokemon having one or even two powerful STAB attacks id total overkill. you need about 4 walls at the very least to be able to wall everything in D/P, and you need more offense. Let's not forget nasty plot Azelf which is also basically broken.

What else? electivire, improved CBmence and CBcross, choice scarf attackers like medicham, specs Zam and gengar, specsmence...you simply can't stop all of those pokemon. I actually ran an all sweeper team awhile ago and it almost never lost. That's how offense-orriented the metagame is, which ultimately ruins it.

[Shiraishi]

Which brings up why 4th gen ultimately fails as a metagame-it is 90% Offense. they've added the utterly broken specsmence, broken sandstorm 9yeah, regirock got A LOT better). sad part is that that is one of the only changes the defensive side of battles.

I personally think all pokemon having one or even two powerful STAB attacks id total overkill. you need about 4 walls at the very least to be able to wall everything in D/P, and you need more offense. Let's not forget nasty plot Azelf which is also basically broken.

What else? electivire, improved CBmence and CBcross, choice scarf attackers like medicham, specs Zam and gengar, specsmence...you simply can't stop all of those pokemon. I actually ran an all sweeper team awhile ago and it almost never lost. That's how offense-orriented the metagame is, which ultimately ruins it.

Lots of those pokes can be stopped with prediction or a poke and totally destroys it. Azelf is NOT broken. Spiritomb destroys it. SpecsMence says Hai to Blissey and Cresselia >.> Walls are as important as ever ._.;

[Terry M]

wow i totaly disagree w/ u, i honestly dont care about pre-evos they are a waste of pkedex space, evos are too unoriginal and most of the evee evelootions stink...the lati twins loooks robotic????

I'm not like all other fans who hate eeveelutions.And the reason I wanted pre-evos and evos is so there are bigger pokemon families and I care about the evos so people care about old pokemon.
And yes, in my opinion some of the legendarys look robotic, I mean Groundon looks like its made from metal.

[Lightning]

I thought the designs overall were just awful. Most of the Pokémon looked like Digimon to me, and while I love both franchises, very few of the 3rd gen monsters actually gave me a Pokémon feel. It's not so bad now because I'm used to them, but I really didn't like the third generation too much at first.

Designs are what got me into Pokémon and are a big part of why I'm still in the fandom. So to have an entire generation in which only 5 or 6 Pokémon really stood out? It was pretty bad for me. :|

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Lots of those pokes can be stopped with prediction or a poke and totally destroys it. Azelf is NOT broken. Spiritomb destroys it. SpecsMence says Hai to Blissey and Cresselia >.> Walls are as important as ever ._.;

Woah, Azelf has about one solid counter. Heracross has literally two (CBcross). Specsmence has maybe 3...ask any good player, they'll tell you there is NO way to stop all of these offensive juggernauts that have been added. In ADV it was managable though every team had a few weaks. Now if a certain pokemon you can't counter (because you can't have 10 pokemon on a team) pops up you've lost the battle. that destroys the fun.

Out of curiosity, have you played ADV at all? Not to be a flamebait thing, I'm actually just wondering ._.

[Shiraishi]

If you mean netbattle, nope..I never did ._.; Even if I wanted to, I don't know how I could grasp the metagame. When I played FR/LG I used a brave Mewtwo in battles..the horror..

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

If you mean netbattle, nope..I never did ._.; Even if I wanted to, I don't know how I could grasp the metagame. When I played FR/LG I used a brave Mewtwo in battles..the horror..

That's why you don't understand my position. Having played in both metagames, I (or anyone else) can tell you howmuch more startegy goes into ADV since there are only a handful of terrifying pokemon vs. the 50 or so there are in D/P.

[Sailor Mini Moon]

i have no idea wat is with the 3rd gen. hates! my favorite region is Hoenn (3rd gen. R/S/E games)

[Brock_Lee]

It's weird. The 3rd gen had some really, really cool pokemon and then really, REALLY, bad, horrible pokemon that shouldn't have even been thought of. Combine those two groups together and they even out in the 'meh' type area.

Seriously, what's cooler: Luvdisc or Salamence? I think we all know

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

It's weird. The 3rd gen had some really, really cool pokemon and then really, REALLY, bad, horrible pokemon that shouldn't have even been thought of. Combine those two groups together and they even out in the 'meh' type area.

Seriously, what's cooler: Luvdisc or Salamence? I think we all know

lol, I couldn't agree more. Why they made Nopepass is beyond me...and lol luvdisc, that doesn't even see use in the NU tier :0

[minakichan]

I think the 3rd gen hate just came from the people who were like "They're making ANOTHER Pokemon game?! With like 200 MORE Pokemon?! Geez, when are they going to stop?!"

But Pokemon will live on forever~ Like Mario and Zelda and stuff XD

I love 3rd gen <3

[Eirikr]

GenIII is something I dislike because Hoenn lacks pow, the pokemon generaly have rubbish designs or are just lackluster, too many legendary (Not like GenIV doesn't suffer from this crap) and the whole "Save the Planet" shtick is boring as.
GenI remakes>GenIII

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

GenIII is something I dislike because Hoenn lacks pow, the pokemon generaly have rubbish designs or are just lackluster, too many legendary (Not like GenIV doesn't suffer from this crap) and the whole "Save the Planet" shtick is boring as.
GenI remakes>GenIII

That kind of contradicts itself considering the R/B remake IS in 3rd gen ;)

[Eirikr]

That kind of contradicts itself considering the R/B remake IS in 3rd gen ;)
Depending on view. It's GBAdvance, so it can be counted as Advance, but it's not Hoenn, and it's a remake. I personaly only see GenIII as RSE, it fits nicely for bashing Hoenn purposes.

[Shiraishi]

Depending on view? What he said was fact. There is a RBY remake in 3rd gen. End.

[Avolition]

Netbattle is how I became a person who was less of a noob in battles. >_> DP was the reason not to hate the 3rd Gen anymore, since the only thing I didn't like about it before was the fact that it had unevolved Pokemon that sucked. Luvdisc, Spinda, Roselia, etc. A lot of them evolved in DP though. Also, I don't hate Spinda. I think Spinda is cool. But like most cool Pokemon, it sucks. =\