Questionable moves

[thatoneguy]

Just talk about why you think some moves are weird.
For example, why is water gun so weak? In the tv show it's always strong.

[airconditioning]

The TV show is retarded, remember. It actually makes moves like Dig and Hyper Beam look usable.

[Myoko-chan]

Well, one thing I think is wierd is the move animations.(In the Anime)

I mean, I can hardly tell Flamethrower from Fire Blast.

and Water Gun from Hydro Pump

[Astinus]

Flamethrower is just a jet of fire. Fire Blast always appears in the "star" shape, which is the Japanese character for fire.

The idea that less effective attacks can work in the show always annoy me. Like when Pikachu can harm a Rock/Ground type with electric attacks, or Charmander can burn a Rock/Ground type with Flamethrower. But it's as airconditioning said. The anime is just a big collection of plot holes and mistakes.

Earthquake while Surfing will always be my number one weird move. I just can't see it working.

[♥~*Abby*~♥]

Flamethrower is just a jet of fire. Fire Blast always appears in the "star" shape, which is the Japanese character for fire.

The idea that less effective attacks can work in the show always annoy me. Like when Pikachu can harm a Rock/Ground type with electric attacks, or Charmander can burn a Rock/Ground type with Flamethrower. But it's as airconditioning said. The anime is just a big collection of plot holes and mistakes.

Earthquake while Surfing will always be my number one weird move. I just can't see it working.

Or dive while on the land, or dig in the water. At least mystery dungeon made this impossible, it can be annoying, but it's correct now...

The show just makes no sense, that's all.

[Dragonzilla]

Just talk about why you think some moves are weird.
For example, why is water gun so weak? In the tv show it's always strong.

yeah also notice how BARELY any fire pokes learn ember they all magicly know flametrower..:/

[♥~*Abby*~♥]

yeah also notice how BARELY any fire pokes learn ember they all magicly know flametrower..:/

Yeah, I've always wondered what the hell was up with that...

[Jorah]

The TV show is retarded, remember. It actually makes moves like Dig and Hyper Beam look usable.

Actually, I think it would make sense if Water Gun was as strong as Flamethrower. But we already have Surf. And in real life (lol I know) moves like Dig and Fly would probably be quite good in real time battling like the anime. But in turn based, obviously they're not.

[thatoneguy]

yeah also notice how BARELY any fire pokes learn ember they all magicly know flametrower..:/
or hyper beam. all of the normal pokes use hyper beam in the show.

[Shiraishi]

OMG OMG OMG THEY ACTUALLY USED SURF IN THE ANIME!!! In Ep 52, Rhydon makes this huge wave, it was in jpnese so I'm not sure. Could've been water pulse.

[thatoneguy]

Yeah, there sure are questionable moves, huh?

[Avolition]

Just talk about why you think some moves are weird.
For example, why is water gun so weak? In the tv show it's always strong.

Yeah, that's weird. It's like Hydro Pump.

yeah also notice how BARELY any fire pokes learn ember they all magicly know flametrower..:/

Ash: Go Charmander! Use Flamethrower!

*level 8 Charmander shoots incredibly powerful beam of fire*

[Gymnotide]

I don't understand Whirlpool. It seems rather fun to me, not an attack move plx.

[The Fable]

In the Johto PokeSpe manga, Red fights an Azumarill in order to become Viridian's gym leader. Azumarill uses Whirlpool against Snorlax.... *anxiousness*... it works exactly like in the games! The manga is going stupid... it mustn't be exactly like the game!

Pokémon was a game at first. Then animé and TCG and manga and who knows what. The show couldn't be exactly like the game (turn-based battles?? PP?? levels??) so they made something slightly different.
What's the difference between Ember and Flamethrower, "irl"? If there is a fire lizard pokémon, wouldn't it make sense if it could learn how to blow fire, rather depending on age and experience, than of a numbered "level"?
Though, in later shows, ember is small orange dots :s Look at this later animé, starting in Hoenn, perhaps. It's trying to be more like the game. Result? It gets more boring.

[Shiraishi]

Knowing ember and working your way up to Flamethrower shows character growth which all animes need D:<

[The Fable]

Hm, yeah, maybe. But I bet it'll get worse in the future!^^

- Oh, wow, Chimchar, you look like you've just grown a level! Your speed raised one stage!
- Chim! *tries to learn a new move but fails since he already has got 4*
- It's ok, the move a Chimchar learns at lv X is Flamethrower, so you can finally forget Ember forever!
- Chim! *poff! suddenly shoots incredible powerful beam of fire*
- Great, now we'll only need 546 more exp. p. and then you'll evolve. Let's get farming some Pidgeys.

[Innocent Light]

What I can't understand really are the ELECTRIC moves which do devastating effects in ROCK Pokemon and GROUND. I mean, in D/P series, Cranidos got effected in ELECTRIC moves. In a movie, the first movie, GOLEM got pulverize by Pikachu's Electricity! whoa.

[Dragonzilla]

What I can't understand really are the ELECTRIC moves which do devastating effects in ROCK Pokemon and GROUND. I mean, in D/P series, Cranidos got effected in ELECTRIC moves. In a movie, the first movie, GOLEM got pulverize by Pikachu's Electricity! whoa.

well cranidos is pure rock and rock CAN get hit by eletric attacks, its just ground that it can't hit, but in the anime Ash's Uberchu defies that law...

[Team Poison]

It's like in the games in a 2 player battle:

Dugtrio used Dig!
(End Turn)
Squirtle used Surf! (The attack missed)
(End Turn)
Dugtrio's attack Continued! (Hit Squirtle)
(End Turn)

how can digging yourself underground save you from a flood!

Stupid Game Freak!

[STEELIXMANIAC]

It weirds me out that Earthquake on a beach would do so much damage. You'd think the sand would soften the impact of the attack, but nooo, it doesn't.

[Darkjagwar]

what's more weird to me is that whenever the trainer yells "Dodge!" they can magically avoid almost any attack. These attacks in the game have near perfect accuracy and almost always hit unless sand-attack or double team is used.

also yea, Ash's pikachu can use thunder to damage ground-types. what's that about?

[Improfane]

Quit trying to sticky tape two different canons together!

It's obvious there is no levels in the series and the attacks are not all in the show. They are simply inconsistent, not wrong. If Hyper Beam doesn't need a recharge in the show, you know that they don't even try to be consistent for some attacks.

My theory is that attacks like Ember are just fillers.

In the series world of Pokemon, there is no levels and attacks are different. The game is NOT the correct reference for what CAN occur in Pokemon. In the series, Pokemon can balance on their tail to avoid electric attacks. The game is obviously wrong and questionable since you cannot do this in the game! The pokemon games are so stupid!

This is what you guys are are saying but with a role reversal.

Here's my attempt at mashing inconsistent canons together. You could teach charmander TM38 for Fire Blast at level 8. Ash got hold of a TM for Flamethrower and taught Charmander it!

[Avolition]

Then explain Haxachu. =\

Pikachu uses Rain Dance! Pikachu uses Thunderbolt! It's super effective! Onix fainted!

Pikachu uses Thunderbolt on Rhydon's horn! It's a critical hit! It's super effective! Rhydon fainted!

[Superiore]

The TV show is retarded.

I agree.

Everyone keeps using tackle.

Darkjagwar, I wonder about "dodge" too.

In a movie, the first movie, GOLEM got pulverize by Pikachu's Electricity! whoa.

^It also pulverized 5 other pokemon at the same time. Wtf?

[The Fable]

In a movie, the first movie, GOLEM got pulverize by Pikachu's Electricity! whoa.

^It also pulverized 5 other pokemon at the same time. Wtf?

Haha, I've always been annoyed by that. But that was back in the ooold days when Ash's little cute pokéys could beat anything by just touching it.
... I thought to myself, until I came across a random episode from D/P. Seems like Ash's still the ûber of trainers.

And I don't get the difference between Water Gun and Hydro Pump. Does anyone have a picture of it in your head? The game shows WaG like a plump of water and HyP more or less like a cannon (could be wrong, don't remember HyP on the gamescreen) but in that case, what is a Water Cannon??(at least it was an attack on a TCGcard)

[+Sneasel™]

I don't get is in the anime, the trainer shouts "dodge" and the pokemon dodges it.
Well you see before they shout dodge the pokemon is helplessly standing there.
I mean, think for your self!

I bet all of ash's pokemon would be dead if ash didn't tell them to dodge the attack. They owuld just sit and get hit!

another questionable move is hail, i mean i dont' care if the oposing pokemon is ice, it doesn't mean hail doesn't hurt!

[Darkjagwar]

In the series world of Pokemon, there is no levels and attacks are different. The game is NOT the correct reference for what CAN occur in Pokemon. In the series, Pokemon can balance on their tail to avoid electric attacks. The game is obviously wrong and questionable since you cannot do this in the game! The pokemon games are so stupid!


i'd like to show everyone episode 9 of SolarBlade00's pokémon abridged series. it addresses the levels issue and whatnot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X8bVHBvcRg

also, its funny :P

[Improfane]

Darkjagwar, thanks for that, this reminds me of CaptainAwesome's Pokeman series and his abridged Pokemon movie. Unfortunately they have all been removed due to terms of use violations.

I haven't even seen that episode of the real show in your video. Is it really about levels?

I do recommend however Pokemon Parody (http://youtube.com/watch?v=k6Yu2SwmU2s).

[Darkjagwar]

no, its not about levels, ev spreads, or a shiny growlithe. it's just another episode in which Ash is determined to win and totally pwns these students who learn stuff. the students are all about strategy and Ash is all like screw strategy, i'm the main character!!! and he wins obvs.

[Avolition]

Darkjagwar, thanks for that, this reminds me of CaptainAwesome's Pokeman series and his abridged Pokemon movie. Unfortunately they have all been removed due to terms of use violations.

I haven't even seen that episode of the real show in your video. Is it really about levels?

I do recommend however Pokemon Parody (http://youtube.com/watch?v=k6Yu2SwmU2s).

They removed it? I favorited one of those. It was awesome. D:

[Zorin]

Sunny day is a very weird move imo, can't imagine how it would work in the anime. It would be a giant mess if all pokemon would be rain dancing and doing sunny day.

[Brock_Lee]

i do hate the whole dodge crap. i've yet to see dodge fail. and hyper beam is just pure whackness now becuz its overused, making it seem like a common weak attack, same with iron tail.

[shedinjask]

It makes sense that Pikachu can TBolt Ground types. If you're grounded, you get shocked. They can't do this in the games because it would be unbalanced.

What I don't get is anime!Chu being able to shock things that aren't on the ground.

[Darkjagwar]

i don't like Confusion in the anime. there's really no good way to animate that so they have confusion animated as the user picking the opponent up w/ telekinesis and throwing them. that's not confusion at all. also, Psychic isn't in the anime at all which IMO is weird.

[The Fable]

Mewtwo uses psychic! I think...
Confusion in the animé makes the opponent's pokémon confused the moment they're supposed to launch an attack, and they manage to hit themselves instead of the other pokémon. At least I saw Psyduck do that several times.

[Darkjagwar]

my point is that when confusion and/or psychic is used, all that happens is the opponent is suspended in midair and/or thrown against a wall.

to add to that, when a confusing move is used in the anime, supersonic for example, all that will happen is the target spazzes out and is like "OMG! CONFOOOZED!!" and just stands/floats/sits/lies there looking like they're in pain

[The Fable]

Yeah... and the same thing goes for paralyzing by Stunspore. They're just confused and in pain. In the games, they just have a little hard time pulling off their attacks, since they can't move that much.

[Silence]

Earthquake while Surfing will always be my number one weird move. I just can't see it working.

I agree with this. Moves like Earthquake and Dig, and generally most ground moves shouldn't be able to be used when in water, as it generally defies many laws of physics. Let alone non-water Pokemon fighting in water.

[Avolition]

Yeah... and the same thing goes for paralyzing by Stunspore. They're just confused and in pain. In the games, they just have a little hard time pulling off their attacks, since they can't move that much.

I know when a Pokemon is paralyzed it doesn't mean actually like, quadriplegic. But still, a 50% chance you can move? That's retarded. The Pokemon is paralyzed. =\ Might as well make it like sleep, even though that wouldn't make much sense either. You wake up from being paralyzed? >_>

[Forced]

i love when ash's charizard ohkos stuff with seismic toss.
he flys to outer space, does loops around the world, and then slams the poke in the ground.
haha, thats pretty beastly.

[Innocent Light]

What about psychic attacks in the PKMN series...? Why are some DARK PKMN being affected by confusion and etc like that? Just like in the series where Ash, Misty, May, Brock make Badges for the Cerulean Gym. Her Psyduck used confusion on Poochyena and was thrown back... Is it ok...? Cause I don't like it for in the game, DARK won't be affected by psychic.

Au Revoir.

[The Fable]

@Forced: Why do I get the feeling you're hiding a beastly Charizard with Seismic Toss in your sleeve whenever you visit a forum? ^^

@Benevolent Wings: The games make the uber-psychic R/B/Y type defeatable by introducing the dark, unaffected by it ^^ But in the anime/any other media, the dark are perhaps only better at keeping their sense when a psychic attack comes? I'm not saying the anime is more realistic than the games but... hm, yes that's what I suggest (in this case) ^^

[Avolition]

Maybe the Psychic Pokemon use Miracle Eye secretly before. >_>