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gleepdiddly
December 2nd, 2007, 08:48 PM
Hi guys, this is my first post and it is about a new team I made a rough draft of. Please make sure this team is okay before I go through extreme pain to make it. Without further ado...

Infernape@???
Naive nature
252 Spd., 128 Atk., and 128 SP. Atk. EVs
Nasty Plot
Grass Knot
Close Combat
Flare Blitz
-Blaze

Zapdos@Scope Lens
Modest nature
252 Sp. Atk., 252 Spd., 6 HP EVs
Thunderbolt
U-Turn
Roost
Substitute
-Pressure

Blissey@Leftovers
Bold nature
252 Def., 252 Sp. Def, and 6 HP EVs
Aromatherapy
Seismic Toss
Softboiled
Thunder Wave
-Natural Cure

Rhyperior@Life Orb
Adamant nature
252 Atk., 252 Def., 6 HP EVs
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Megahorn
Stone Edge
-Solid Rock

Heatran@Choice Specs
Modest nature
252 Sp. Atk., 252 Spd., 6 Sp. Def. EVs
Heat Wave
Earth Power
Dragon Pulse
Dark Pulse
-Flash Fire

Garchomp@ Brightpowder
Jolly nature
252 Atk., 252 Spd., 6 Def. EVs
Swords Dance
Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Fire Fang
-Sand Veil

Thanks!!!!!

Angelic Diablo
December 3rd, 2007, 02:55 AM
Hi guys, this is my first post and it is about a new team I made a rough draft of. Please make sure this team is okay before I go through extreme pain to make it. Without further ado...

Infernape@Life Orb
Naive nature
252 Spd, 212 Sp Atk, 40 Atk
Nasty Plot
Grass Knot
Close Combat
Flamethrower


Zapdos@Scope Lens
Modest nature
252 Sp. Atk., 252 Spd., 6 HP EVs
Thunderbolt
U-Turn/Hidden Power Grass or Ice
Roost
Substitute

Blissey@Leftovers
Bold nature
252 Def., 252 HP, 6 Sp Def
Aromatherapy
Seismic Toss
Softboiled
Thunder Wave


Rhyperior@Life Orb/Choice Band
Adamant nature
252 Atk, 188 HP, 68 Def
Stealth Rock/Avalanche/Focus Punch
Earthquake
Megahorn
Stone Edge


Heatran@Choice Specs
Timid nature
252 Sp. Atk., 252 Spd., 6 Sp. Def. EVs
Heat Wave
Earth Power
Dragon Pulse
Hidden Power Grass

Timid with Specs please, otherwise use Scarf

Garchomp@ Brightpowder
Jolly nature
252 Atk., 252 Spd., 6 Def. EVs
Swords Dance
Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Fire Fang
-Sand Veil

Thanks!!!!!

You lack a true physical wall, I'd remove either Garchomp or Rhyperior and put in a Skarmory, Forretress, Steelix etc

Tortured_Soul
December 3rd, 2007, 11:11 AM
What is wrong with Rhyperior as a physical wall? It has great defenses, and with that massive HP stat, can pull off a great sub, especially with Solid Rock in place.

Rhyperior@Leftovers/Enigma Berry/ (Water Weakness Berry, forget the name)
Impish/Relaxed
252 HP, 124 Atk, 134 Def

Substitute
Focus Punch
Earthquake/Stone Edge/Megahorn/Stealth Rock
Earthquake/Stone Edge/Megahorn/Stealth Rock

Off the top of my head, especially unsure on the EV spread and nature, but it is a very useful physical wall.

Dark_Azelf
December 3rd, 2007, 04:49 PM
What is wrong with Rhyperior as a physical wall? It has great defenses, and with that massive HP stat, can pull off a great sub, especially with Solid Rock in place.

Rhyperior@Leftovers/Enigma Berry/ (Water Weakness Berry, forget the name)
Impish/Relaxed
252 HP, 124 Atk, 134 Def

Substitute
Focus Punch
Earthquake/Stone Edge/Megahorn/Stealth Rock
Earthquake/Stone Edge/Megahorn/Stealth Rock

Off the top of my head, especially unsure on the EV spread and nature, but it is a very useful physical wall.

http://sci-fi-guys.com/wp-content/uploads/anime214.jpg

"Hi my name is Heracross, i hold a Choice Band or Choice Scarf depending on the mood im in and i rape this team ESPECIALLY RHYPERIOR..."

Thats what is up with Rhyperior being a wall, it has far to common weakness and too many of them to be a wall. Its also weak to the most common move in the game Earthquake, it can take earthquakes but not repeatedly and why would you switch this in every time you predict a Earthquake, Meteor Mash, Close Combat, Waterfall etc. ? REAL WALLS can take those with ease.

Angelic Diablo mentioned a few good ones.

Rhyperiors is a Tank as in it can take a few hit but not too many like walls can.



EDIT: Heatrans EVS are : - 58 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 200 SPEED

Anti Pop Culture Warrior
December 4th, 2007, 02:02 AM
http://sci-fi-guys.com/wp-content/uploads/anime214.jpg

"Hi my name is Heracross, i hold a Choice Band or Choice Scarf depending on the mood im in and i rape this team ESPECIALLY RHYPERIOR..."

Thats what is up with Rhyperior being a wall, it has far to common weakness and too many of them to be a wall. Its also weak to the most common move in the game Earthquake, it can take earthquakes but not repeatedly and why would you switch this in every time you predict a Earthquake, Meteor Mash, Close Combat, Waterfall etc. ? REAL WALLS can take those with ease.

Angelic Diablo mentioned a few good ones.

Rhyperiors is a Tank as in it can take a few hit but not too many like walls can.



EDIT: Heatrans EVS are : - 58 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 200 SPEED

Now wait a minute, steelix in no way fails because Hera and co. "rape" it. It just needs backup to cover its weaks. But yeah, Hera kind of destroys it...

Eos Aduro
December 4th, 2007, 02:05 AM
Yeah, physical wall, Rhyperior is not. Anyways, physical walls can take special hits, but dont like too, but Rhyperior CAN NOT

Anti Pop Culture Warrior
December 4th, 2007, 02:08 AM
Yeah, physical wall, Rhyperior is not. Anyways, physical walls can take special hits, but dont like too, but Rhyperior CAN NOT

Again, not quite. Sincw when can skarmory take a special hit? Or steelix? Or Forretress? I rest my case. I swear, these things can take one nuetral special hit tops...

And seriously, Rhyinferior takes hits just as well as steelix only it isn't as cool and it has more attacking power. Solid rock FTW.

Dragonzilla
December 4th, 2007, 02:10 AM
http://sci-fi-guys.com/wp-content/uploads/anime214.jpg

"Hi my name is Heracross, i hold a Choice Band or Choice Scarf depending on the mood im in and i rape this team ESPECIALLY RHYPERIOR..."

Thats what is up with Rhyperior being a wall, it has far to common weakness and too many of them to be a wall. Its also weak to the most common move in the game Earthquake, it can take earthquakes but not repeatedly and why would you switch this in every time you predict a Earthquake, Meteor Mash, Close Combat, Waterfall etc. ? REAL WALLS can take those with ease.

Angelic Diablo mentioned a few good ones.

Rhyperiors is a Tank as in it can take a few hit but not too many like walls can.



EDIT: Heatrans EVS are : - 58 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 200 SPEED

that is soo true and funny....to handle this weakness gliscor can be of benifit, sicne the blue bu hates it..

Eos Aduro
December 4th, 2007, 02:10 AM
Well Forretress takes special hits with pride, as it resists a lot of common move, like bolt beam doesnt take it down in one hit. Skarm can take SOME moves, but T-Bolt, Flamethower, Such, not a chance. Steelix, isnt very good that way.

Anti Pop Culture Warrior
December 4th, 2007, 02:17 AM
Well Forretress takes special hits with pride, as it resists a lot of common move, like bolt beam doesnt take it down in one hit. Skarm can take SOME moves, but T-Bolt, Flamethower, Such, not a chance. Steelix, isnt very good that way.

Forry can't take special hits, it just can't. And my god, one surprise fire attack and POOF! and I said a 2HKO, which Tbolts will do quite often :/

Skarm can't take speciall attacks either. It just can't...just like forry.

They can take types they resist, but that's it. Unless they're desperate, who's going to grass knot a skarm anyways?

And steelix is very good if you know how to use it. VERY good.

Eos Aduro
December 4th, 2007, 02:19 AM
I've seen both survive speical attacks well. Fire takes down Forry, but other than that it takes longer.

Anti Pop Culture Warrior
December 4th, 2007, 02:24 AM
I've seen both survive speical attacks well. Fire takes down Forry, but other than that it takes longer.

I thought the same thing until I started getting 2HKOed. If you overestimate their survivability...well, you know the rest.

Eos Aduro
December 4th, 2007, 02:32 AM
Thats why its good to have Rest on Forry.

Anti Pop Culture Warrior
December 4th, 2007, 02:34 AM
Thats why its good to have Rest on Forry.

Then it can 2HKO in your sleep. Basically, it can survive a special attack, but you have to switch out your physical walls people. I mean, that's what we have special walls for ;)

Eos Aduro
December 4th, 2007, 02:37 AM
Exactly, Rest, switch, Aromatherapy, BAM back to perfect stats. I playe da guy who had a Toxic Spikes Roserade, and a Blissey, they made a good combo, but after 30 minutes, no one had KO'd a single poke of the opposition. I just left.

Dark_Azelf
December 4th, 2007, 07:54 PM
Now wait a minute, steelix in no way fails because Hera and co. "rape" it. It just needs backup to cover its weaks. But yeah, Hera kind of destroys it...

I know it doesnt fail, but thats the general reason why Steelix it is a Border Line pokemon due to everything packing earthquake and aswell as it having numerous and other common weaknesses. Skarmory and Forretress are Ou simply because they have better Typing and less weaknesses aswell.

The general way to use Ryhperior is not as a wall but switch it in on a resistance, then take the Earthquake and then lol at the opposing pokemon with its base 140 attack base 114 hp and base 130 defense along with solid Rock. It can take more than a few (as in 2 to 3)UNSTABBED Earthquakes though, where as as i previously mentioned Skarmory, Forretress etc. can take them all day long.
But i emphasize : -

Choice Scarf Adamant heracross does
Defender HP: 434
Damage: 255 - 300
Damage: 58.76% - 69.12%

With Close Combat To IMPISH max Hp, max def Ryhperior.

Thats not a wall if it takes that much without even an attack item boost......


and just for Kicks

Choice Band Adamant Heracross does (OMG im dreading putting this in a damage calc.)


Defender HP: 434
Damage: 380 - 447
Damage: 87.56% - 103.00%

With Close Combat To IMPISH max Hp, max def Ryhperior.

Again not a wall....


I would go on but ive mentioned one of the most OU pokemon ever that you should have a counter for.

Like Gliscor for example (Who is the best switch into Heracross)

Takes

Defender HP: 354
Damage: 98 - 115
Damage: 27.68% - 32.49%

From Choice Band Close Combat max attack Adamant Heracross. Without leftovers recovery.

(Hell even Skarmory and Forry cannot wall Choice Band Cross, but can wall the Scarfed version)

So please please please get a Gliscor or something to cover your teams weaknesses like Anti/Flareblade/Angelic Diablo/ Myself said.

Dragonzilla
December 5th, 2007, 12:57 AM
I know it doesnt fail, but thats the general reason why Steelix it is a Border Line pokemon due to everything packing earthquake and aswell as it having numerous and other common weaknesses. Skarmory and Forretress are Ou simply because they have better Typing and less weaknesses aswell.

The general way to use Ryhperior is not as a wall but switch it in on a resistance, then take the Earthquake and then lol at the opposing pokemon with its base 140 attack base 114 hp and base 130 defense along with solid Rock. It can take more than a few (as in 2 to 3)UNSTABBED Earthquakes though, where as as i previously mentioned Skarmory, Forretress etc. can take them all day long.
But i emphasize : -

Choice Scarf Adamant heracross does
Defender HP: 434
Damage: 255 - 300
Damage: 58.76% - 69.12%

With Close Combat To IMPISH max Hp, max def Ryhperior.

Thats not a wall if it takes that much without even an attack item boost......


and just for Kicks

Choice Band Adamant Heracross does (OMG im dreading putting this in a damage calc.)


Defender HP: 434
Damage: 380 - 447
Damage: 87.56% - 103.00%

With Close Combat To IMPISH max Hp, max def Ryhperior.

Again not a wall....


I would go on but ive mentioned one of the most OU pokemon ever that you should have a counter for.

Like Gliscor for example (Who is the best switch into Heracross)

Takes

Defender HP: 354
Damage: 98 - 115
Damage: 27.68% - 32.49%

From Choice Band Close Combat max attack Adamant Heracross. Without leftovers recovery.

(Hell even Skarmory and Forry cannot wall Choice Band Cross, but can wall the Scarfed version)

So please please please get a Gliscor or something to cover your teams weaknesses like Anti/Flareblade/Angelic Diablo/ Myself said.
that is exactly why i love runing CBhera, its a beast, man i fought this one guy on shoddy the other day, it was liek 1-5, i had only my hera left AND WON all of them fell to my Close Combat...