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Waker of Chaos
December 3rd, 2007, 01:58 PM
I got this just now from the News Channel on the Wii, under National News.

"Tina Meler, 37, holds two pictures of her daughter Megan who committed suicide last October after receiving cruel messages on MySpace, Monday, Nov. 19, 2007, in St. Charles, Mo. Megan Meler, 13, hanged herself after receiving mean messages on the Internet social networking site. The 16-year old boy with whom she had been communicating turned out to be a fabrication created by a mother down the street."

That's the caption under the photo given.

Do your part; stop bullying on the Internet.

Cherrim
December 3rd, 2007, 02:19 PM
Mm, I heard about that. It's really quite disgusting, since the person was fabricated by someone's mother instead of just another cruel child. Honestly, how can someone who has a child of their own be so hurtful?

The families were supposedly friends, too. After it came out that the "online boyfriend" that had caused their daughter to commit suicide, her family more or less smashed up the foosball table they'd been storing for the other family and dumped it on their driveway. :x

But yeah, it's a really disgusting situation.

Waker of Chaos
December 3rd, 2007, 02:23 PM
Mm, I heard about that. It's really quite disgusting, since the person was fabricated by someone's mother instead of just another cruel child. Honestly, how can someone who has a child of their own be so hurtful?

The families were supposedly friends, too. After it came out that the "online boyfriend" that had caused their daughter to commit suicide, her family more or less smashed up the pool table they'd been storing for the other family and dumped it on their driveway. :x

But yeah, it's a really disgusting situation.

I agree. So disgusting, in fact, that the story needs to be spread everywhere. Perhaps people will actually pay attention and make new laws to stop Internet bullying.

If you don't mind, I'd like this thread stickied, even posted on as many other forums and social places as possible. This is not something you just stand idly by and watch.

Cherrim
December 3rd, 2007, 02:45 PM
Mm, stickying is meant more for official threads (like rules, etc.) so I can't oblige there, sorry.

There should be more awareness of internet bullying though. I know a lot of schools are starting to make policies regarding it... but this case is so crazy even that wouldn't have helped. I mean, in that situation, who would've guessed that a parent could be so cruel to a friend's daughter? :|

Waker of Chaos
December 3rd, 2007, 02:50 PM
Personally, I think that people need to go to Interpol about this. The Internet is worldwide, so a worldwide law enforcement group (such as Interpol) would need to handle it.

Live in Color
December 3rd, 2007, 03:48 PM
Mm, I heard about that. It's really quite disgusting, since the person was fabricated by someone's mother instead of just another cruel child. Honestly, how can someone who has a child of their own be so hurtful?

The families were supposedly friends, too. After it came out that the "online boyfriend" that had caused their daughter to commit suicide, her family more or less smashed up the pool table they'd been storing for the other family and dumped it on their driveway. :x

But yeah, it's a really disgusting situation.

Wow, that's the worst suicidal story I have ever heard. I'm definitely putting this thread in my signature. How old was the mother anyway? You think she should know much better than to do something like this, especially having a child of her own.

Was the woman punished for the crime? Can she even be punished, since it was just bullying really, but technically she took someone's life.

Waker of Chaos
December 3rd, 2007, 04:23 PM
Wow, that's the worst suicidal story I have ever heard. I'm definitely putting this thread in my signature. How old was the mother anyway? You think she should know much better than to do something like this, especially having a child of her own.

Was the woman punished for the crime? Can she even be punished, since it was just bullying really, but technically she took someone's life.

No. No criminal charges were issued at all. They "couldn't find a law that suited the situation", apparently.

Cherrim
December 3rd, 2007, 04:31 PM
At the moment I don't think there are laws. If there are, I can't imagine they'd be much more intense than current harassment laws, especially since in this age, it's assumed most bullying is done by children. And honestly, children will be children and bullying will always be around.

Just... kinda sucks that it went so far in this situation.

Sadly, I don't know how old the mother was. I saw the article on this almost a month ago. :\

Bobpie
December 3rd, 2007, 09:28 PM
Omg... That's horrible.

Did the Mother know that the person she was bullying was the friend?

She shouldnt have done it anyway. :(

Cross
December 3rd, 2007, 10:16 PM
I hope Josh of SerebiiForum reads this.

When I tell people to kill themselves, I really don't mean it. /o\
Still though, killing yourself because of a myspace problem with someone is a bit...odd.
I bet the girl was a little cookoo, but still...

Souless
December 3rd, 2007, 10:26 PM
This is a so sad history =[

The mother who bullied the girl was just trying to see "what happened if..." she never tought she would make the girl commit suicide...

Really, some people take advantage of Internet anonymity to do things they can't in real life (If she started bullying that girl in the street, well, there are laws about that) just to feel emotion or superiority...

Really, you aren't showing anything to anyone if you are a bully on Internet, you are just being a BIG loser...

Cherrim
December 3rd, 2007, 11:29 PM
Omg... That's horrible.

Did the Mother know that the person she was bullying was the friend?

She shouldnt have done it anyway. :(
Yes, she did it entirely on purpose. I think the girl and her daughter had a falling out and were being nasty to each other, so she took revenge in her own way, I guess, by fabricating a boy who "lived nearby" or something, coaxed the girl into an online relationship, and then ended it by saying all sorts of nasty things and telling her to kill herself. Unfortunately... she did. ._.;

txteclipse
December 3rd, 2007, 11:37 PM
No. No criminal charges were issued at all. They "couldn't find a law that suited the situation", apparently.

Try "verbal assault". People are just sick these days.

Jubilation
December 3rd, 2007, 11:45 PM
I feel so sorry for this girl & her family, internet bullying is sad & mean, though as stated by Lightning it will always be around

Zet
December 4th, 2007, 05:44 AM
myspace and gaia online has the most online bullying, but nothing can be really done about it, I would like to see it to stop maybe not now with today's technology but sometime in the future there could be technology where if someone does online bullying, their computer does and they won't be able to access another computer

Hayate
December 4th, 2007, 07:40 AM
That got to be one of the most sad things I've heard so far ;_; I'm not the person to bully others on the net, I just can't see why people would feel good hiding behind the safety of an internet alias and cause others some serious mental damage...since I've never experienced it before I can only give one advice: It's the internet, real-life is different. So, don't take it too serious and don't commit suicide, since everyone has a reason for living -- you do as well.

Waker of Chaos
December 4th, 2007, 01:07 PM
It's the internet, real-life is different. So, don't take it too serious and don't commit suicide, since everyone has a reason for living -- you do as well.

I disagree with the first part. The Internet is a huge part of real life. People are either too dumb or (in your case) too inexperienced to treat it as such.

But yes, everyone has a reason for living.

22sa
December 4th, 2007, 01:30 PM
I can't stop them. Their insect army is too scary. :P

I can only pray that my friends are able to make smart decisions and avoid them.

Warheart
December 4th, 2007, 02:03 PM
When I tell people to kill themselves, I really don't mean it. /o\
Still though, killing yourself because of a myspace problem with someone is a bit...odd.
I bet the girl was a little cookoo, but still...

Yeah dude...It's disgusting how people treat eachother, and I'm completely against internet bullyng, but seriously..who takes it this far? I feel bad for the girl, and her family, but I don't understand why someone would take it this personal..from over effing Myspace.

Even if she wasn't all there, something apparently made her feel bad enough to want to end her own life =/

Persona
December 4th, 2007, 02:04 PM
To deliberately choose someone to pick on to the point of harassment and stalking is not only criminal, but also unethical.

Instead of showing remorse to the death of a young girl, she files a complaint over a foosball table? That's completely ridiculous.

It's the internet, real-life is different. So, don't take it too serious and don't commit suicide, since everyone has a reason for living -- you do as well.

I doubt she committed suicide solely for the reason of cyber bullying. She had been suffering from depression and attention deficit disorder, assuming this act contributed to the eventual death of the girl.

Cherrim
December 4th, 2007, 02:44 PM
I'm not sure if it's true, but this blog post (http://meganhaditcoming.blogspot.com/2007/12/im-lori-drew.html) surfaced recently. The blogger claims to be the woman who created the profile and gives "her side." Again, I'm not sure if it's really her, but if it is, it's disgusting.

Merzbau
December 4th, 2007, 02:46 PM
lol

I can say I must have major lulz for yet another an hero. Did they try buying a dog?

Careful With That Axe, Pichu!
December 4th, 2007, 02:53 PM
We could also debate the emotional infirmity of the girl.

I don't stand along so caled "internet bullying" but let's think a bit and decide if the problem was a frail self-esteem and/or selfishness on Megan's part besides anything else.

SilencedShooter
December 4th, 2007, 04:16 PM
The internet is full of bullies, and I don't know why. My guess is that internet bullies must have really bad personal lives, and have to take it out on people they don't know, but this isn't the case. The lady who did this seems like a horrible person, and I really hope she feels bad about this, and if not, I really hope she lives a miserable life. It may be harsh, but the kid was 13. 13!!! Nobody should die that early.

Yuukihime
December 4th, 2007, 04:39 PM
Wow thats sad.. =/ I hate people who bully me online but the cool thing is I can argue bck and talk back to them without getting yelled at but thats just me... Thats sad
That mom should seriously pay for what she did.I to have been bullied online but I didn't really care what they thought..but still....

Improfane
December 4th, 2007, 05:00 PM
There is a theory why people change when they are on the internet.

Amachi says: Just because you put an age limit doesn't mean you can still post it

Anonymousness brings ego and ego brings spite. Being mean online is a form of ego maintenance.

Alter Ego
December 5th, 2007, 03:01 AM
Instead of showing remorse to the death of a young girl, she files a complaint over a foosball table? That's completely ridiculous.

This sort of reminds me of another incident where a guy ran a teenager over with his car and then sued him for damaging his windscreen wipers. There are unbelievable gits in the world, trust me. xP

That being said, the girl in question must have had some serious mental issues already to just commit suicide over someone she had never even met. Does this make what the mother did right? Of course not, that kind of manipulation with the sole intent of harming someone is just plain sadistic and deserves to be punished, but in all honesty: where were the girl's parents? I mean, how can your own kid slide into suicide plans without you even noticing it? Cutting her off from the intraweb in time would have averted the whole incident. -.-

Tragic though this is, I'm opposed to the whole 'monitor the whole wide internet' thing; once you open that can of worms, we get serious censorship and stalking habits from official parties. The interpol people aren't perfect little angels, you know, and I'd prefer for them not to poke their noses into everyone's business because of an isolated incident. The notion that police surveillance could somehow prevent this from ever happening again is also incredibly naive; I mean, they were being all lovey-dovey right up to the point where the 'go kill yourself' came along, weren't they? The damage would already have been done by the point where it becomes noticeable, so it really wouldn't be much of a fix.

To be honest, I think the moral of the story here is: keep mentally unstable people off the internet. There are, and always will be, people looking to manipulate you for their own needs or just plain bash you for an ego trip, that's an inevitable part of having a medium open to all and no matter how tight the censors you can't avoid the problem so I'd say that the best bet is to keep people off the internet until they learn not to take it so personally. As for the law...well, it's true that psychological damage is hard to punish legally, but that's because it's so hard to define it in a way that doesn't leave room for lawsharks to jump at each and every sentence someone lets out and demand compensation. :\

Zet
December 5th, 2007, 03:57 AM
speaking of bullying, i found this the other day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQsttuiZJZ4

Waker of Chaos
December 5th, 2007, 04:40 AM
speaking of bullying, i found this the other day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQsttuiZJZ4

The guy in the video is right. I mean, honestly, people really need to clean up their act. This makes me with the Death Note was real.

By the way, I'm leaving a comment on that woman's blog. Thanks, Lightning, and congrats on your promotion.

Alter Ego
December 5th, 2007, 05:15 AM
He cut a pretty pathetic figure, though; that wasn't a very organized or well-formulated argument and the constant swearing is just really dropping his credibility. .__.

Hate to say it, but that's precisely the sort of thing trolls are looking for; a reaction, specifically one where the person is clearly upset (did I just imagine things or was he on the verge of crying there?). Yes, trolls suck, but the best way to handle the situation is to stick to forums with a clear anti-troll stance where you can count on the staff to clean their filth off the place. Seriously, if you could toss around death threats and flame people without reprisal then the places he was hanging around were pretty crappy to begin with.

As for the hackers...get a firewall and proper anti-virus programs. It sucks, but there's really no way to keep them from popping up in places, especially since getting past a ban is usually not hard for them. I'm all for a future without either type of people, but I'm too much of a cynic to think that it will actually happen. If it does, it will certainly not occur through giving them the satisfaction of knowing that they got to you like that. If mentioning laws or rules would scare them then they wouldn't be doing what they do to begin with.

I say hack the hackers' accounts. :3

Dogar The Brave
December 5th, 2007, 09:41 AM
Internet bullying is just wrong. The girl had mental issues and the woman knew it. That is disgraceful - she should be locked up right now. Not being able to find the right crime? How about manslaughter?

No, interpol are idiots. I mean, if they weren't, most of these horrible things would never happen. But I do have to agree with Ego that I really wouldn't want to be stalked by them.

So, the only way to stop them is to stay strong and ignore them, they'll get bored and die off. That's my view, anyway.

Short Range
December 11th, 2007, 04:58 AM
speaking of bullying, i found this the other day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQsttuiZJZ4

Look at the comments on that video. Those are the types of people I wish I had a Death Note for.

Yingxue
December 11th, 2007, 09:35 AM
I have to say, it is pretty funny that two mature ADULTS came up with the idea to trick some poor girl into thinking that she had an internet buddy, and then caused her to kill herself.

But in reality, it's not funny. Internet bullying has caused a lot of serious things to happen, like Nevada-tan. No matter how fun it is to bully someone, it has severe consequences.

However, trying to stop internet bullying would be next to impossible. What can you do? Introduce a bill to combat trolling/bullying? If so, that would be a violation of free speech.

On and offline bullying have been around for many years, but online bullying has opened up new doors for more serious attacks on the victim. I would know. I have first hand experience with the subject.

@ Short Range: Don't mind them. They're just trolls. Don't wish death on them, that's their way of having a good time. :I

Waker of Chaos
December 11th, 2007, 06:57 PM
Don't mind them. They're just trolls. Don't wish death on them, that's their way of having a good time. :I

Having a good time at the expense of others is not cool. These are the type of people Light from Death Note would kill with illnesses. I wish I could do the same.

Too bad for intelligent people like us, Death Notes don't exist. Not in that sense.

Yingxue
December 12th, 2007, 09:30 AM
Having a good time at the expense of others is not cool. These are the type of people Light from Death Note would kill with illnesses. I wish I could do the same.

Too bad for intelligent people like us, Death Notes don't exist. Not in that sense.

If Death Note existed, you'd be headed to jail. An intelligent person would ignore the trolls or try to understand what they do.

Satire floods the internet, and this girl is not exempt from jokes regarding her death. Someone will say something. No matter what.

To some, finding something amusing is a way of coping with the problem. Which is why you see a lot of parodies of 9/11 floating around on the internet all the time. A big crowd of people find humour in serious situations and cope with it by using satire and sarcasm, even bullying.

Joking about her death may be unthinkable to most people, but to a certain crowd on the internet, they can find humour in it.

These people who make fun of the grieving are not necessarily unintelligent. These are people who use the internet as an escape from the reality of the world. Being serious about something does not make someone smarter, it may make them more mature, but their IQ doesn't go up just because they want to kill the trolls.

...

Live in Color
December 12th, 2007, 09:49 AM
This really is sad. I've actually witnessed a few people being threatened online for doing absolutely nothing. My sister has had multiple people, thanks to MySpace and Facebook and all that crap, which I STRONGLY hate, comment on her pictures in a rude manner.

She had a picture of her and her friend, and others were jealous because it said "BFFL (Best friends for likfe)", they thought that they were my sister's best friend, so they just started calling the girl rude words. This caused a huge fight, and even some friends to not be friends anymore. MySpace and Facebook are one of the main reasons for this. Instead of posting online for anyone to see, why not just take a picture and bring your camera to your friends, or just send them to people who you want to see the pictures.

MySpace and Facebook have advantages, sure, but didn't this whole incident happen because the "mother" was commenting on this girl's pictures?

Waker of Chaos
December 12th, 2007, 10:29 AM
If Death Note existed, you'd be headed to jail. An intelligent person would ignore the trolls or try to understand what they do.

If the Death Note existed, I'd not go to jail. I'd get the death penalty.

Trolls are trolls. They have no right to exist at all. An intelligent person would know that and eradicate them, not ignore the problem so it's allowed to get worse.

Alter Ego
December 12th, 2007, 10:39 AM
If the Death Note existed, I'd not go to jail. I'd get the death penalty.

Trolls are trolls. They have no right to exist at all. An intelligent person would know that and eradicate them, not ignore the problem so it's allowed to get worse.

An even more intelligent person would realize that a personal opinion on trolls posted on a pokémon forum does not constitute an objective measure of a person's intelligence.

And incidentally...you're the kind of person trolls love. Ever taken a look at the Smogon forums (a.k.a. the flamepit)? They quote stuff like yours and have a good laugh over it. Way to go eradicating trolldom. =O So like, before you go calling anyone's intelligence into question, how about providing an actual idea for how the 'eradicating' is supposed to be done, oh intelligent one? Mass genocide, perhaps?

Waker of Chaos
December 12th, 2007, 10:47 AM
An even more intelligent person would realize that a personal opinion on trolls posted on a pokémon forum does not constitute an objective measure of a person's intelligence.

And incidentally...you're the kind of person trolls love. Ever taken a look at the Smogon forums (a.k.a. the flamepit)? They quote stuff like yours and have a good laugh over it. Way to go eradicating trolldom. =O So like, before you go calling anyone's intelligence into question, how about providing an actual idea for how the 'eradicating' is supposed to be done, oh intelligent one? Mass genocide, perhaps?

I'm aware. But if the topic comes up, may as well talk about it.

You would know about Smogon, wouldn't you. I bet you'd fit perfectly there. It would be nice if you went there instead of here.

Mass genocide's about the only way to permanently fix the problem, so yeah. Human beings don't change without drastic measures, and it's not like trolls listen. There's also no way to effectively ban trolls from the Internet, so yes, that leaves mass genocide.

I wouldn't mind sacrificing my life to do this. If it meant the permanent end of trolling and flaming online, then one life is hardly any price to pay.

...Besides, everyone hates me. :P

Alter Ego
December 12th, 2007, 10:56 AM
You would know about Smogon, wouldn't you. I bet you'd fit perfectly there. It would be nice if you went there instead of here.

That was not really called for and I think you know it. When waging war on the trolls, always take care not to become one yourself.

Mass genocide's about the only way to permanently fix the problem, so yeah. Human beings don't change without drastic measures, and it's not like trolls listen. There's also no way to effectively ban trolls from the Internet, so yes, that leaves mass genocide.

Won't work, I'm afraid, not unless we sterilize the survivors so they don't breed and start plunking out new trolls and then we've wiped out humanity which seems just a tad...erm...overblown? x3 I'm ethically opposed to killing anyway; once you kill a person for a good reason you're only a step away from doing it for a bad one as well. Some of the world's worst villains believed themselves to be saviors of humanity, you know.

So like, if you've already admitted that nothing short of Nazi tactics will get rid of trolls, why do you insist on bashing those of us who believe that we should focus on dealing with what we're stuck with rather than whining about why we can't change it?

Waker of Chaos
December 12th, 2007, 11:09 AM
That was not really called for and I think you know it. When waging war on the trolls, always take care not to become one yourself.

"And incidentally...you're the kind of person trolls love." The paragraph starting with this ticked me off, so naturally I shot back. Sorry about that.

Won't work, I'm afraid, not unless we sterilize the survivors so they don't breed and start plunking out new trolls and then we've wiped out humanity which seems just a tad...erm...overblown? x3 I'm ethically opposed to killing anyway; once you kill a person for a good reason you're only a step away from doing it for a bad one as well. Some of the world's worst villains believed themselves to be saviors of humanity, you know.

So like, if you've already admitted that nothing short of Nazi tactics will get rid of trolls, why do you insist on bashing those of us who believe that we should focus on dealing with what we're stuck with rather than whining about why we can't change it?

That last paragraph also ticks me off. Take your own advice before giving it to others.

Live in Color
December 12th, 2007, 11:15 AM
This isn't an argument between you two, think, you're arguing over some stupid thing in a poor dead girl's thread. Have you no decency?

Waker of Chaos
December 12th, 2007, 11:20 AM
This isn't an argument between you two, think, you're arguing over some stupid thing in a poor dead girl's thread. Have you no decency?

I'll be honest. I wish I were more "decent". But like I said, humans don't change. They're just too afraid the world will end if they do.

Being honest again, I wish it would. Maybe then we can start over and get things right. Humans are cruel, savage, selfish creatures; we're a mistake that should never have been made. This story about Megan is just one example out of over 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 and counting.

Live in Color
December 12th, 2007, 11:23 AM
I'll be honest. I wish I were more "decent". But like I said, humans don't change. They're just too afraid the world will end if they do.

Being honest again, I wish it would. Maybe then we can start over and get things right. Humans are cruel, savage, selfish creatures; we're a mistake that should never have been made. This story about Megan is just one example out of over 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 and counting.

It may be one out of a lot of other death stories, but that doesn't give you the right to disrespect one in a million. Also, "Cruel, savage, selfish creatures". Humans do make mistakes, but since when are they ALL cruel, savage and selfish?

Waker of Chaos
December 12th, 2007, 11:25 AM
It may be one out of a lot of other death stories, but that doesn't give you the right to disrespect one in a million. Also, "Cruel, savage, selfish creatures". Humans do make mistakes, but since when are they ALL cruel, savage and selfish?

Everyone has that side of them. There's no such thing as an exception to that rule. Whether you show that side or not doesn't matter to me.

Yingxue
December 12th, 2007, 12:28 PM
Everyone has that side of them. There's no such thing as an exception to that rule. Whether you show that side or not doesn't matter to me.

Then we're all trolls, so we should all be involved in this genocide, shouldn't we?

Genocide over joking about a dead girl is really pretty harsh, especially if you're serious.

Trolls love to poke fun at people like you because you're offended by them so easily. I would know this especially well because I used to be easily trolled. Now I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. :D (Of course, I don't use my trolling powers here, clearly because I don't want to be banned.)

The internet is a cruel world with trolls everywhere to make things worse for people who get butthurt over this kind of stuff easily. Taking everything on the internet so seriously can sometimes lead to serious things happening, like this girl did, and then eternal mockery into the afterlife. :I

Waker of Chaos
December 12th, 2007, 12:38 PM
Then we're all trolls, so we should all be involved in this genocide, shouldn't we?

Genocide over joking about a dead girl is really pretty harsh, especially if you're serious.

Trolls love to poke fun at people like you because you're offended by them so easily. I would know this especially well because I used to be easily trolled. Now I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. :D (Of course, I don't use my trolling powers here, clearly because I don't want to be banned.)

The internet is a cruel world with trolls everywhere to make things worse for people who get butthurt over this kind of stuff easily. Taking everything on the internet so seriously can sometimes lead to serious things happening, like this girl did, and then eternal mockery into the afterlife. :I

I'm harsh by nature, because my life's been harsh to me. It's only fair I return the favor.

I guess we could just bomb the Internet and do without it for the rest of the human race's reign.

Well, meh. The fact of the matter is, laws regarding Internet bullying MUST be put in place and enforced with an iron fist.

Yingxue
December 12th, 2007, 12:40 PM
I'm harsh by nature, because my life's been harsh to me. It's only fair I return the favor.

I guess we could just bomb the Internet and do without it for the rest of the human race's reign.

Well, meh. The fact of the matter is, laws regarding Internet bullying MUST be put in place and enforced with an iron fist.

What kind of laws?

I mean, how on earth would anyone be able to do that kind of thing? It'd be near impossible. Not to mention it would be restrictive.

Waker of Chaos
December 12th, 2007, 12:44 PM
What kind of laws?

I mean, how on earth would anyone be able to do that kind of thing? It'd be near impossible. Not to mention it would be restrictive.

I'm still working on that. At the very least, it should be required by law to have a psychologically stable mind to be allowed online, and you can't be online drunk. To determine that, people all over the world with Internet access and those looking to get it would have to pass an examination. We'd also have to find an effective way to prohibit alcohol, though that's next to impossible.

Let's build a time machine while we're at it. God, I hate difficult problems like this. =\

Improfane
December 12th, 2007, 01:26 PM
Waker of Chaos, I take your intention as sound but history demonstrates extreme ideas as very dangerous.

Rather than trying to take away freedoms from people in public places, you create private land and only give particular freedoms.

This forum is an example of such. Kwesi and the administrators have given us rights that create an atmosphere that we want to communicate with one another with. There is no bullying at the PC.

MySpace is an example where every right has been given and chaos is the result. As a result, bullying is likely to occur more frequently there. If you really want to have psychologically stable people posting on an online community, you only let those people into your forum, email and website.

Don't destroy what we have, build something new!

Waker of Chaos
December 12th, 2007, 01:29 PM
Waker of Chaos, I take your intention as sound but history demonstrates extreme ideas as very dangerous.

Rather than trying to take away freedoms from people in public places, you create private land and only give particular freedoms.

This forum is an example of such. Kwesi and the administrators have given us rights that create an atmosphere that we want to communicate with one another with. There is no bullying at the PC.

Well, extreme ideas is all I get, soooo...

SilencedShooter
December 12th, 2007, 01:31 PM
I think being screened before going online.....is a very silly idea.

If we were screened before going online we would basically have no internet rights. I like the internet. I don't know who anybody is, and they don't know who I am. It makes me feel safe. And as for trolls, I ignore them. I can only take so much abuse before I'm like "Alright. This person has issues, and I think i'll quit talking to them." I know it's not that easy for everybody, and a lot of people will react in harsher ways, but being screened before going online wouldn't help. Anybody could pass the test/exam/whatever to go online, and then still become a troll later. Troll's are a part of internet life, and if more people just ignored them, they wouldn't troll for long, as they would see no fun it.

Waker of Chaos
December 12th, 2007, 01:33 PM
I think being screened before going online.....is a very silly idea.

So is allowing 14-year olds to drive a car on public roads, regardless of whatever supervision is required.

Warheart
December 12th, 2007, 01:54 PM
..I'm sorry dude, at first this thread made alot of sense, but now what your saying just seems kinda retarded irrational.

Dude, bullying is always gonna happen, and you're not gonna recruit some kind of cult on a pokemon forum to stop it. I'm not sure if you were joking about the genocide thing, but if you were serious about that, I think the last thing you should be worrying about in life right now is about internet bullying ._.

yeah sure..let's just all die in the name of JUSTICE!! Sorry dude, if your life honestly sucks that much that you want to kill yourself over someone flaming you online, then go for it, but i sure as hell won't be there.

Shortly put: Internet bullying should be acknowledged, but bullying will always happen, and some of your "approaches" to this topic are just..stupid..in so many different ways..

Live in Color
December 12th, 2007, 02:50 PM
..I'm sorry dude, at first this thread made alot of sense, but now what your saying just seems kinda retarded irrational.

Dude, bullying is always gonna happen, and you're not gonna recruit some kind of cult on a pokemon forum to stop it. I'm not sure if you were joking about the genocide thing, but if you were serious about that, I think the last thing you should be worrying about in life right now is about internet bullying ._.

yeah sure..let's just all die in the name of JUSTICE!! Sorry dude, if your life honestly sucks that much that you want to kill yourself over someone flaming you online, then go for it, but i sure as hell won't be there.

Shortly put: Internet bullying should be acknowledged, but bullying will always happen, and some of your "approaches" to this topic are just..stupid..in so many different ways..

He doesn't listen does he? I tried saying the same thing to him... This thread has gone way off from where it started, and now he's just arguing with everyone really.

Cosmic Tyrant
December 12th, 2007, 02:50 PM
I agree with Toki. There's always gonna be some instances of bullying going on at one time or another in some kind of shape. Although I really don't approve of any type of bullying, I have to say that internet bullies make me laugh. If I was bullied by someone on the internet, I wouldn't think much about it. Just a bit of verbal abuse, not like I haven't been there before. It's not like the bully's gonna go through my computer and give me an atomic wedgie or anything.

Virtual Chatot
December 12th, 2007, 03:31 PM
This is ridiculous...

If a person committed suicide over a Myspace message, they had mental problems to start off with.

Waker of Chaos
December 12th, 2007, 03:31 PM
..I'm sorry dude, at first this thread made alot of sense, but now what your saying just seems kinda retarded irrational.

Dude, bullying is always gonna happen, and you're not gonna recruit some kind of cult on a pokemon forum to stop it. I'm not sure if you were joking about the genocide thing, but if you were serious about that, I think the last thing you should be worrying about in life right now is about internet bullying ._.

yeah sure..let's just all die in the name of JUSTICE!! Sorry dude, if your life honestly sucks that much that you want to kill yourself over someone flaming you online, then go for it, but i sure as hell won't be there.

Shortly put: Internet bullying should be acknowledged, but bullying will always happen, and some of your "approaches" to this topic are just..stupid..in so many different ways..

He doesn't listen does he? I tried saying the same thing to him... This thread has gone way off from where it started, and now he's just arguing with everyone really.

If you're just going to call me stupid, get off the thread. I don't see either of you actually doing anything about this problem. At least I'm throwing ideas out there, albeit bad ones. At least I'm trying to think of ways to end it for good. What do you do? You say, "Oh, that's too bad," and move on without a second thought.

You're just as evil as that Drew idiot who caused Megan to kill herself.

Virtual Chatot
December 12th, 2007, 03:34 PM
Relyt was not calling you stupid

The fact is, you cannot do anything about this problem. You are some idiot person who is either bored or completely out of line

You will never get anything done by yelling at people with that kind of an attitude, its called Constructive Criticism

Waker of Chaos
December 12th, 2007, 03:37 PM
Relyt was not calling you stupid

The fact is, you cannot do anything about this problem. You are some idiot person who is either bored or completely out of line

You will never get anything done by yelling at people with that kind of an attitude, its called Constructive Criticism

And you will stop posting on this thread. Now.

By the way, it was Toki_Wartooth who called me stupid. Get your facts straight.

Live in Color
December 12th, 2007, 03:40 PM
Relyt was not calling you stupid

The fact is, you cannot do anything about this problem. You are some idiot person who is either bored or completely out of line

You will never get anything done by yelling at people with that kind of an attitude, its called Constructive Criticism

I never did call him stupid, and neither did Toki. Toki said some IDEAS were stupid, not you. I said you didn't listen. Big difference bud. And since when do you have the authority to not let people post in this thread.

Please just stop, and hopefully it gets closed.

Warheart
December 12th, 2007, 03:40 PM
If you're just going to call me stupid, get off the thread. I don't see either of you actually doing anything about this problem. At least I'm throwing ideas out there, albeit bad ones. At least I'm trying to think of ways to end it for good. What do you do? You say, "Oh, that's too bad," and move on without a second thought.

You're just as evil as that Drew idiot who caused Megan to kill herself.

So basically..for not wanting to go out and kill myself, somehow stopping internet bullying, I'm as bad as someone who has potentially killed a girl..

Wow dude, your sense of thinking is seriously flawed. I can post here if I want, i have just as many ideas as you, and every right to argue them. the only difference between my way of thinking and yours is that mine actually like..make sense ._.

No, I completely understyand what you're saying. "Huh, if I can get everyone I know to kill themselves, it will stop bullying worldwide."

...You're seriously effing stupid. I'm not the type of person that will just flame someone without any reason to, but you trying to get an online suicide rally going totally deserves to be flamed. i'll leave that open to someone else <_<

Edit: No, i didn't call you stupid up until just now. In my last post, i was just trying to understand your way of thinking. now i actually am calling you stupid, see the difference?

Virtual Chatot
December 12th, 2007, 03:40 PM
I agree, lets just let this thread die -.-

I have better things to do than argue about something which has no reasonable solution

Waker of Chaos
December 12th, 2007, 03:44 PM
So basically..for not wanting to go out and kill myself, somehow stopping internet bullying, I'm as bad as someone who has potentially killed a girl..

No, for not even bothering to try and help stop Internet bullying in whatever way you think might actually make a change.

Wow dude, your sense of thinking is seriously flawed. I can post here if I want, i have just as many ideas as you, and every right to argue them. the only difference between my way of thinking and yours is that mine actually like..make sense ._.

I wasn't talking to you about that, I was talking to Virtual Chatot.

No, I completely understyand what you're saying. "Huh, if I can get everyone I know to kill themselves, it will stop bullying worldwide."

At least I'm trying. You're not, so you're just as bad as Ms. Drew. You don't give a damn about anyone committing suicide. Based on your posts here so far, I'd judge that you wouldn't care if your boyfriend/mother/sister killed themselves because of Internet bullying. Prove me wrong.

...You're seriously effing stupid. I'm not the type of person that will just flame someone without any reason to, but you trying to get an online suicide rally going totally deserves to be flamed. i'll leave that open to someone else <_<

YOU'RE seriously "effing" stupid for misunderstanding my point.

Edit: No, i didn't call you stupid up until just now. In my last post, i was just trying to understand your way of thinking. now i actually am calling you stupid, see the difference?

And you failed miserably.

Amachi
December 12th, 2007, 03:46 PM
Flaming has already started.

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