RMT (Rebirth of an Ancient Thread)

[BrainDamage]

oh, and here's a link to a UU team im thinking of, so check
this (http://http://pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=118315) out too

Heres this team. (mostly OU pokes)

MAKING EDITS RIGHT NOW

Pinsir (Sylar)@Choice Scarf
Impish/Jolly: 240 Atk / 152 Def / 118 HP
ability: Mold Breaker
EQ
Close Combat
X-Scissor
Stone Edge/Rock Slide

Tank Pinsir with speed boost. not entirely sure on nature/Evs/item

Electivire (Elle)@Expert belt
Lonely
252 Attack, 80 Sp. Atk, 176 Speed

Ice punch
Thunderbolt
Earthquake
Cross Chop

pretty standard MixedVire here. T-bolt for Skarwall. naturally

Blissey (PinkManatee) @ leftovers (cleric, sp. wall)
Bold: 252 HP / 252 def / 6 Sp Def
seismic toss
aromatherapy
softboiled
icebeam/t-wave

pretty standard gengar,Energy ball to cover swampert, or other bulky ground or water types

Porygon-Z (OS X Leopard)@ choice scarf(Bolt-Beamer)
Adaptability
Modest/Timid 252 Sp Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
T-Bolt
Ice Beam
Dark Pulse
Tri Attack

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Bronzong (Liberty Bell)@leftovers/occa berry (mixed wall)
Sassy: 200 hp / 124 def / 176 Spdef
Psychic
Hypnosis
Psych Up
???block/recycle(if occa berry perhaps)/gyro ball (if not on steelix)

not too sure on moveset, but mixed wall bronzong. in independence hall until 1776

Steelix (Iron Man) @ macho brace/leftovers (physical wall)
Relaxed
252 hp / 172 def. / 86 atk
Stealth rock
rest
EQ
gyro ball

pretty standard steelix. stealth rock just for support

[Shiraishi]

Replace Stone edge with Roar :/ Most Flyers you will see are fast anyways.

[Arcknight316]

oh, and here's a link to a UU team im thinking of, so check
this (http://http://pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=118315) out too

Heres this team. (mostly OU pokes)

Pinsir@Choice Scarf
Impish/Jolly: 252 Atk / 252 Def / 6 Spd (or 252 Atk / 172 Def / 86 Spd )
ability: Mold Breaker
EQ
Close Combat
X-Scissor
Stone Edge/Rock Slide

Tank Pinsir with speed boost. not entirely sure on nature/Evs/item

I'm not sure, but don't Tanks usually want some HP?

Electivire@Expert belt
Lonely
252 Attack, 56 Sp. Atk, 202 Speed

Ice punch
Thunderbolt
Earthquake
Cross Chop

pretty standard Electivire here. T-bolt for Skarwall.

Usually, MixedVires have more Sp. Atk, but it doesn't really matter.

Togekiss@leftovers (annoyer/special wall)
serene grace
Timid: 208 HP / 96 SpAtk / 204 SDef
air slash
aura sphere
thunder wave
roost

paraflincher/ special wall for extra support

OK.

Gengar @ choice specs (special sweeper)
Timid
252 SpAtk / 252 Spd / 6 Hp
T-bolt
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast
Energy Ball

pretty standard gengar,Energy ball to cover swampert, or other bulky ground or water types

This works, although SpecsGengar isn't too common (most use Hypnosis - Wide Lens)

Milotic@leftovers (mixed wall)
Bold: 158 hp / 252 def / 100 Spdef
Hypnosis
recover
ice beam
surf

mixed wall milotic. no, i dont want restalking.

I'm not sure, but does Milotic need all that Defense? I know it needs a lot, but max?

Steelix @ macho brace (physical wall)
Relaxed
252 hp / 172 def. / 86 atk
SR
stone edge/rock slide
EQ
gyro ball

may replace gyro ball with roar and give him leftovers

Do what Shiraishi suggested, and get rid of the Rock move.


Changes in Bold. I'm not sure I got everything right, though.

[BrainDamage]

shiraishi wasnt talking about steelix, he was talking about pinsir. yeah i wasnt too terribly sure about evs on pinsir. i know he needs some hp at least, but i didnt know where to put it, so i left the evs the same as from the old thread from way back.

but then again, that wouldnt make sense since pinsir has choice scarf. i dunno what he meant

EDIT: nvm all that. i misread what shiraishi said

[Anti]

Um, run rest over that said rock move on steelix-it needs the recovery.

[BrainDamage]

yeah, but then steelix sits for two turns useless, and i have no cleric to support him.

and if anyone could point out to me any weaknesses i may have, please share. (at the moment i dont have the time to go through them)

[Anti]

yeah, but then steelix sits for two turns useless, and i have no cleric to support him

Get one. Nothing on your team can take status except milotic, and toxic is just nasty to face...if you can't get it cleric support, I'd go as far as to say you shouldn't even use it...IMO, it needs rest THAT much.

[Eos Aduro]

Im with Anti-Pop, no recovery, no more wallificness. And a lot of your team is botl beam weak, you might want to put in someone like bronzong in over Milotic.

[BrainDamage]

1: since when is 2/6 a lot?

and
2: if i replace someone with a cleric, who, and for whom? (preferably not blissey)

[flamehaze94]

The standard EVs for MixVire is 252Atk / 176Spd / 80SpAtk.




If you just go Wish>Roost on Togekiss, you could forgo Rest on Steelix and it also supports the rest of your team, most can't recover on their own.

Without ReSTalk Milotic, status will be pretty mean.

[Anti]

I'd replace togekiss for celebi, articuno (a fav of mine actually, watch out for SR though), or the pink puffball. /THE/ Killer Queen. Blissey :0:0:0:0

[Eos Aduro]

4/6, Gengar gones if he gets bolt beamed anyways, and Miltoic is weak to both, wont get KO'd, but a mock boltbeamer with thunder and ice punch, like my Machamp, takes it down

[BrainDamage]

midnight- thats still only 3/6: togekiss, milotic, gengar.

ah. your counting pinsir as 4th cause its def. not sp. def.
just because a bolt-beaming poke has teh ABILITY to kill 4 pokes doesnt mean its going to get the chance

you cant really count pinsir and gengar anyway because they're sweepers (pinsir having a defensive edge). any high powered move takes out sweepers. not just bolt beamers in particular

i suppose i must change to restalk milo...
i could switchout for celebi. just really hard to get the right nature and even harder IVs....

i have a tendency not to use legendaries for this reason, so i dont know what the moveset and EVs would be...

[Luke]

Yeah, but the point is, if your walls can't handle hits that would help keep your Sweepers alive, you're done for. So get some walls that AREN'T Boltbeam weak or this team is severely disadvantaged.

[BrainDamage]

then togekiss definately goes... celebi is weak to ice, so, as much as i wish it werent so, i need blissey

just'll seem kinda weird having the king of defense and queen of sp. def on the same team :/

[Eos Aduro]

Togekiss takes bolt beam well, if EVed right, but its still risky. Anyways, if Pinsir gets hit by any move from a pory-Z, esepcially Tri Attack+Adaptability, its gone. So, why no Bronzong? Resists every move by every bolt beamer.

[BrainDamage]

are you suggesting i replace pinsir with bronzong?

[Eos Aduro]

No, im suggesting you replace Milotic with Bronzong, fits your team well, give bolt beam resist, can give out status, and supports a lot of your pokes well.

[BrainDamage]

but then i have no one to combat dragons except electivire.

[Shiraishi]

Use a bolt beamer as a sweeper then, like Porygon-Z, Starmie..other stuff.. >_>;

[BrainDamage]

yes, i know what to put in, just need to figure out who to replace.... probably...

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what's a bronzong moveset that doesnt include gyroball (cause steelix covers that)

[Shiraishi]

Theres CM-Zong but I can't help you with that.

[BrainDamage]

edits have been made:
replaced Gengar w/ porygon-Z,
replaced togekiss w/ blissey,
replaced milotic w/ bronzong

[Anti]

Rwplacwe roar or SR on steelix with rest, or even gyro ball. Needs recovery ;)

[BrainDamage]

yeah, i forgot to make that edit... anything else?

[Anti]

Out of yourt options for steelix, definately SR. Rock moves aren't really useful on it at all. IMO. I mean, what gyro ball and EQ hit cover enough, stone edge or Rock slide are just putting too much icing on the cake, so to speak.

Though I prefer roar over SR as well, that's more personally opinion than anything factual, so it's your call.

[BrainDamage]

mmk. Do you have any bronzong advice?

[Eos Aduro]

You could go Rain Dance, halve any fie damage done to him. Or Calm Mind.