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Kraka-chan
December 13th, 2007, 11:43 AM
I'm getting fed up of my games magazine that whinge about PBR not being a full 3D Pokemon RPG. They even whinge about the graphics and the fact that the Pokemon don't have fur shading, texturing and all that crap.

But I digress, do you think PBR would have been better with an RPG mode like Coloseum or XD?

(I'm sorry if this question was already asked.)

Nuke
December 13th, 2007, 12:32 PM
No.

Its great as just a battling game.

Its good for learning strategies and the graphics are perfect.

A sperate games thats an RPG will be good though.

Kayke™
December 13th, 2007, 12:58 PM
If it had been a TRUE Pokemon RPG, then it would've been great. Not the Pokemon Colosseum/XD crap they tried to pull off. The day Nintendo manages to make a true 3D Pokemon RPG for a home console will be the day I wet myself upon hearing it.

Coyotl
December 13th, 2007, 02:59 PM
PBR could've used ANY kind of beef up. Seriously.

Kittyipawd
December 13th, 2007, 03:58 PM
Pbr is awesome that is why im buying a wii cuuz i want to show my skiills and beat some nubers

wakachamo
December 13th, 2007, 05:07 PM
PBR could've used ANY kind of beef up. Seriously.

Couldn't agree more. Anything could've been done to make this overrated piece of crap just a little bit better.

Nuke
December 15th, 2007, 01:47 PM
Couldn't agree more. Anything could've been done to make this overrated piece of crap just a little bit better.

Its hardly overrated.

More like underrated.

Everyone is saying its a waste of time, there is no point and it is a rubbish game when it actually beats the crap out of alot of games.

sims796
December 15th, 2007, 11:10 PM
Its hardly overrated.

More like underrated.

Everyone is saying its a waste of time, there is no point and it is a rubbish game when it actually beats the crap out of alot of games.

Out of what games? Its the same thing as D/P. The exact same thing, only less. Wow. 3D battles. Too cool. D/P has Wi-fi matches, without all the random crap of noobs using hacked Judgement Wondertombs. I know, WTF.

The thing that kills it for me are the graphics. Come on. Yes, there should be fur textured. There should be a tad bit more realism. They just got lazy this time around. When Grotlye opened his maw, is was basically square, as if he was a robot.

Did you see Diddy Kong's fuur on Brawl? How the fur on the Ice Climber's Parka's [coats] looked? You can appreciate every stitch on Waluigi's overalls. Link looks grity (in a good way) from battle. Plus, on those when the Gamecube's trophy turned into Wii fighters, they showed the improvement.

So why the hell does PBR look like crap? You are only lying to yourself when you say those graphics are good. Compare that with Brawl RE4, Twilight Princess, Galaxy. Then try to tell me that PBR looks good. I can no longer take your opinions seriously if you say its good. & its not the Wii's fault. No. Even with limited power, it still makes games beautiful, by making it crisp, & vibrant.

The reason they keep shelling half-arsed games like PBR is because pokemaniacs buy it no matter what. No, that's only half truthful. I'm a pokemaniac, & even I hate it. So only the one's who MUST buy every bit of new game would buy that. Like Naruto games. They keep shelling out more, sometimes, they don't even try, but they buy it. Only this time, they released it as a full fleged title at that price, when its only an expansion. Which is the problem. If gamers keep running to the store paying whatever price just because Pikachu's on the box, they will continute to shell out half baked-no, half done-games. Consumers should demand better made games, by not buying those cheap knockoffs.



And omahcaw, you've given me no choice but to put that post of yours in my sig. Too true.

I realized I never answered the question! Why should they waste time putting in an RPG? That's what Diamond/Pearl is for.

RandomUsername
December 16th, 2007, 01:43 AM
A RPG Mode in PBR, Would be the awsome-est thing ever done by Nintendo for the wii!

Urser
December 16th, 2007, 03:33 AM
When the whole point of PBR is to show Pokemon battling in 3D, they should have put more effort into the Pokemon when they were being modelled. I know there's a lot of Pokemon, but they should still take their time to make the Pokemon look as good as they can.

If PBR was an RPG then yes, I would understand them using these types of models I guess. I mean, PBR was supposed to be eye candy. An RPG would be more about the gameplay.

So yeah, an RPG mode would have improved it A LOT!

scorpyo
December 20th, 2007, 04:25 PM
I'm sure that the reason why PBR doesn't have a RPG mode is because of what it is. An expansion to D/P. I'm going to get it for X-Mas probably and even though I know that a lot of people say it sucks, being able to randomly battle even with the huge amount of noobs on it sounds like fun.

About the graphics, does D/P or any of the other pokemon games have fur on any of the pokemon? Yeah I know that PBR is really only there to show off your shiny new pokemon in 3-D, but would we really appreciate having your special volt-tackle pikachu being a big yellow fluff ball that shoots lightning out of its overly fluffy tail? I'm sure that there's a reason why Nintendo didn't put fur in. Its just not the Pokemon style. Either that or they wanted to get the expansion for D/P out while the hype about D/P is still buzzing around.
EDIT:
Now about SSBB and how detailed it is compared to PBR, pikachu still doesn't have fur in it either.

Eirikr
December 20th, 2007, 05:41 PM
So why the hell does PBR look like crap? You are only lying to yourself when you say those graphics are good. Compare that with Brawl RE4, Twilight Princess, Galaxy. Then try to tell me that PBR looks good. I can no longer take your opinions seriously if you say its good. & its not the Wii's fault. No. Even with limited power, it still makes games beautiful, by making it crisp, & vibrant.
What makes PBR even worse is that they are GAMECUBE titles, not Wii.
PBR is ok at best for what it is.

It's ok to look at, very ugly for this day and age, but the lighting makes up for it a bit, still easy to tell it's very N64-y, even the remade and new ones are 64-y.

The controls are ok, I guess, in comparason to XD/COLO and Stadium, which had the best controls. This one's is down right confusing for people who are not used to it.

The announcer lacks the pizzaz of the stadium one. Quite frankly, it's the lines. Where is "Oh!, Taken down with one hit!", "What's the matter, trainer?" and "It's a revolving door of PokeMon!"?

The multiplayer value sucks. It's got next to nil rentals, so people who don't play the DS games are screwed/like parents and DSless friends due to money constraints/. Lacks mini games, that I understand, but still, something should make up for the lack of many rentals.

PBR should have been done two ways:

Cut the bull ****, the one player, improve the graphics and call it what it is, Pokemon 3D Online.

or

Improve the Multiplayer Value by making it more Stadium like.

Nintendo, note to the wise, stop using Genius Senority, take a while to redo every pokemon, and make Stadium 3 properly.

spike6958
December 20th, 2007, 07:16 PM
I don't think PBR itself needs an RPG mode, it does what it says on the box (minus the Revolution bit) it offers pokemon battles and the game can be quite fun at times, but should not cost anywhere near the amount it does.
What Nintendo need to start doing is LISTENING to what people want, a Pokemon MMORPG i would be happy with the same graphics PBR uses (i mean WoW's graphics aren't much different and it's the most popular game in the world) and even the exact same battle system if they could make an MMO using all the regions from the games and anime, now thats a game i would gladly pay full price for.

sims796
December 20th, 2007, 09:33 PM
I don't think PBR itself needs an RPG mode, it does what it says on the box (minus the Revolution bit) it offers pokemon battles and the game can be quite fun at times, but should not cost anywhere near the amount it does.
What Nintendo need to start doing is LISTENING to what people want, a Pokemon MMORPG i would be happy with the same graphics PBR uses (i mean WoW's graphics aren't much different and it's the most popular game in the world) and even the exact same battle system if they could make an MMO using all the regions from the games and anime, now thats a game i would gladly pay full price for.

WoW is an internet game. It's to e expected to have shaby graphics. The Wii is an advanced system. It doesn't have the luxury of running with pathetic graphics.

Eirikr
December 21st, 2007, 05:22 PM
WoW is an internet game. It's to e expected to have shaby graphics. The Wii is an advanced system. It doesn't have the luxury of running with pathetic graphics.

PBR is a MMORPG in a way, more than it is a console game. It does have shoddy graphics in comparason to NGC titles that are not pokemon. The Wii is not advanced, from a techspec view, a computer, a 360 and a PS3 laugh at it.

spike6958
December 22nd, 2007, 02:49 PM
WoW is an internet game. It's to e expected to have shaby graphics. The Wii is an advanced system. It doesn't have the luxury of running with pathetic graphics.

Well the Wii IS just a GC with motion censors built in anyway it's not so "advanced", but to be honest im not a fan of graphics these days, because MOST games spend sooo much time trying to perfect them and then release a game thats nice to look at but is extremly boring to play (e.g. Assissins Creed). Nintendo NEED TO STOP using Genius Sonority and just have Nintendo & GameFreak work on them like with the handheld titles and make a 3D Pokemon game worth playing.

sims796
December 22nd, 2007, 02:53 PM
Well the Wii IS just a GC with motion censors built in anyway it's not so "advanced", but to be honest im not a fan of graphics these days, because MOST games spend sooo much time trying to perfect them and then release a game thats nice to look at but is extremly boring to play (e.g. Assissins Creed). Nintendo NEED TO STOP using Genius Sonority and just have Nintendo & GameFreak work on them like with the handheld titles and make a 3D Pokemon game worth playing.

Actually, it is more advance, I mean that literally. It has more power.

That is a problem. Graphics alone doesn't make a game, but having it SO poor like PBR is unacceptable. I find graphics very important, as its the overall presentation. It catches my attention.

wakachamo
December 22nd, 2007, 02:58 PM
I find the fact that people are comparing a game like PBR to a game like WoW incredibly disgusting and retarded.

spike6958
December 22nd, 2007, 02:59 PM
problem is that developers focus on one or the other and either way the games faile but i would rather have a fun game with not so great graphics, than a game with outstanding graphics but gets boring within an hour, problem with PBR is they just took the bad from each problem, and look at the pokemon in SSBB they look outstanding.

EmpoleMew
December 22nd, 2007, 03:14 PM
Couldn't agree more. Anything could've been done to make this overrated piece of crap just a little bit better.

Best. Post. Ever.

Basically, this is what PBR is to me. Its a game that has nearly identical graphics to the GC titles. It has a name that attracts interest but the game itself is a worthless piece of I don't even know what and a waste of the materials(sp?) to make each disc. It was a waste of time to make. Nintendo and Game Freak keep screwing themselves over when they make games with Genius. And the announcer sounds like he's some guy with nothing better to do in his life.

"It went down!"
"It couldn't survive the second hit!"
"Pokemon restored its health!"
"Pokemon is STILL gaining health!"
"BAM!"

Bam? When exactly did Bamm-Bamm from The Flintstones become the announcer? And if you don't have a DS and D/P, the game sucks harder than ever. If I wanted to go through endless battles using rental Pokemon, I'd play my Emerald and go to the Battle Factory. The only thing that is good about PBR is the fact that you can battle random people on Wi-Fi instead of typing in Friend Codes all the time. And then what? Some stupid n00b goes and ruins it with hacked Pokemon like Wondertomb and Arceus. Or even worse, the Six-Man Uber Squad. Then they think they're so strong. Then when you meet them on forums and tell them that using ubers is cheap, they want to cry and throw a tantrum and start flame wars. In the end, they either disregard the comments and go on being a n00b or kill themselves.

In a nutshell: PBR could burn in the hottest incinerator and it still wouldn't be enough to destroy this horrible monstrosity. Its games like these that give Pokemon a bad name.

End Rant.

Geeked
December 22nd, 2007, 03:18 PM
Hm... well, PBR was really stupid, i mean all you do is upload your pokemon then battle online, basically like everyone else is saying a "A online version of pkmn Stadium" with just updated Graphics, i also agree with "Nintendo NEED TO STOP using Genius Sonority and just have Nintendo & GameFreak work on them like with the handheld titles and make a 3D Pokemon game worth playing." SO to answer the topics Question yea, i thing there should have been a RPG, Also i have never seen a game that was actually good, that was made with Genius Sonority.

sims796
December 22nd, 2007, 03:18 PM
Best. Post. Ever.

Basically, this is what PBR is to me. Its a game that has nearly identical graphics to the GC titles. It has a name that attracts interest but the game itself is a worthless piece of I don't even know what and a waste of the materials(sp?) to make each disc. It was a waste of time to make. Nintendo and Game Freak keep screwing themselves over when they make games with Genius. And the announcer sounds like he's some guy with nothing better to do in his life.

"It went down!"
"It couldn't survive the second hit!"
"Pokemon restored its health!"
"Pokemon is STILL gaining health!"
"BAM!"

Bam? When exactly did Bamm-Bamm from The Flintstones become the announcer? And if you don't have a DS and D/P, the game sucks harder than ever. If I wanted to go through endless battles using rental Pokemon, I'd play my Emerald and go to the Battle Factory. The only thing that is good about PBR is the fact that you can battle random people on Wi-Fi instead of typing in Friend Codes all the time. And then what? Some stupid n00b goes and ruins it with hacked Pokemon like Wondertomb and Arceus. Or even worse, the Six-Man Uber Squad. Then they think they're so strong. Then when you meet them on forums and tell them that using ubers is cheap, they want to cry and throw a tantrum and start flame wars. In the end, they either disregard the comments and go on being a n00b or kill themselves.

In a nutshell: PBR could burn in the hottest incinerator and it still wouldn't be enough to destroy this horrible monstrosity. Its games like these that give Pokemon a bad name.

End Rant.

See? Your the problem. You make a post so big, it can't fit in my sig.

This post sums up my feelings of the game in a COMPLETE nutshell, but ya left some things out

1)$50 Price Tag for a cheap expansion
2)Pitiful graphics for something ONLY boasting 3D

This post is my favorite so far.

Skaterzpenguin
December 22nd, 2007, 03:30 PM
I say no, because I wanted PBR just like pokemon stadium 1 and 2, but no that never came out to be the way I thought it would be...

EmpoleMew
December 22nd, 2007, 04:03 PM
See? Your the problem. You make a post so big, it can't fit in my sig.

This post sums up my feelings of the game in a COMPLETE nutshell, but ya left some things out

1)$50 Price Tag for a cheap expansion
2)Pitiful graphics for something ONLY boasting 3D

This post is my favorite so far.

When I rant, I express all my feelings. I didn't expect my post to be so...
I guess you could say, moving.

PBR is $50? :shocked: Man, they are con artists to sell that pitiful excuse for a game for that much.

Glad you liked my post that much.

Kayke™
December 23rd, 2007, 10:10 AM
The graphics in the game are not nearly as bad as everyone is giving them credit for. Sure, some of the 1st gen Pokemon look kinda ugly, but really, people hardly ever use the ugly Pokemon hidden deep within the game. Who the hell uses Weepinbell or Likitung and their low-poly gloriness? They're both blocky as hell, but who cares, you're hardly ever going to see them, only in single player mode, and if you're busy playing that, kill yourself, because I'll be the first to admit, I wanted to rip my hair out due to boredom while gaining access to all the colosseums. (Which don't look THAT bad by the way.) But really, the Pokemon you're going to be facing online almost every time you battle (Ex. Salamance, Garchomp, Electrivire, Gengar, etc.) look perfectly fine. The game adds a shine to them that actually makes them look rather impressive. Hell, even first gen Pokemon like Arcanine have been given a MASSIVE makeover.

To make things simple...

The game is NOT ugly.

The game is NOT pretty.

The game is overall unimpressive.

It's completely average and mediocre at everything it does. The online's meh, the graphics are passable (but NOT ugly), and the overall package has "Wait 'till I'm 20 bucks!" written all over it.

sims796
December 23rd, 2007, 10:57 AM
The graphics in the game are not nearly as bad as everyone is giving them credit for. Sure, some of the 1st gen Pokemon look kinda ugly, but really, people hardly ever use the ugly Pokemon hidden deep within the game. Who the hell uses Weepinbell or Likitung and their low-poly gloriness? They're both blocky as hell, but who cares, you're hardly ever going to see them, only in single player mode, and if you're busy playing that, kill yourself, because I'll be the first to admit, I wanted to rip my hair out due to boredom while gaining access to all the colosseums. (Which don't look THAT bad by the way.) But really, the Pokemon you're going to be facing online almost every time you battle (Ex. Salamance, Garchomp, Electrivire, Gengar, etc.) look perfectly fine. The game adds a shine to them that actually makes them look rather impressive. Hell, even first gen Pokemon like Arcanine have been given a MASSIVE makeover.

To make things simple...

The game is NOT ugly.

The game is NOT pretty.

The game is overall unimpressive.

It's completely average and mediocre at everything it does. The online's meh, the graphics are passable (but NOT ugly), and the overall package has "Wait 'till I'm 20 bucks!" written all over it.

I have to disagree with the graphics comment. Maybe I have been a bit too harsh, howver, I cannot call them passable. Despite the fact that no one will use those pokes, it doesn't excuse the fact that they look like that. Saying "They got the majority right" isn't good enough. Arcanine's paws looks more squared than Richard Nixon at Marti Gras. What if a casul player comes along, & decides to play with Likintung, with Weepingbell? You're a pokefan, so its understandable that it doesn't phase you much. However, unlike Stadium, this doesn't cater to others comming along to play. It BARELY caters to Pokefans.

Virtual Chatot
December 23rd, 2007, 11:21 AM
No, I think its fine staying the way it is as a D/P Battling upgrade

wakachamo
December 23rd, 2007, 11:43 AM
No, I think its fine staying the way it is as a D/P Battling upgrade

The price point, however, remains as an obstacle for a simple "Battling upgrade".

sims796
December 23rd, 2007, 12:20 PM
The price point, however, remains as an obstacle for a simple "Battling upgrade".

The fact that they think they can get away with charging this simple "expansion" as a full fledge game is pretty insulting.

shining-Celebi
December 23rd, 2007, 01:21 PM
The fact that they think they can get away with charging this simple "expansion" as a full fledge game is pretty insulting.

My thoughts Exactly.
SOME pokemon fans see "Pokemon" stapled on the front and instantly say, "I want it!"
Thank goodness I'm not that gullible.

Anyway, PBR ,in my opinion, is very lacking. I think I would have more fun completing a storyline and getting "special" pokemon than pure battling. I think its only saving grace(and originality) was the 3 gifts and character cuztomization; and even with that, it is barely worth $20.
I wouldn't get it, as I rather spend my cash on better titles(Twilight Princess, Brawl, etc...)
Its sure to be a parent's-money-plucker, but that's it.

To other posters: Some of you are a little too harsh. After all, what can you possibly expect out of a sole battling game?

シーツー
December 23rd, 2007, 01:25 PM
I haven't played the game yet.
But Pokemon Colosseum had a story mode and I hated it. Pokemon Stadium was an only battle game and I loved it. So you see, I can't really tell that^^"
I think, Pokemon RPGs should only be on handhelds. Dunno, why...

SBaby
December 23rd, 2007, 01:53 PM
The simple answer is yes. Pokemon is an RPG, and for an RPG to consist solely of battle after battle is just laziness on the developers' parts, and an insult to everything that RPGs stand for.

I love how people keep calling Pokemon a fighting/battling game. It makes me laugh my --- off each time I read a post with that claim.

The fact that they think they can get away with charging this simple "expansion" as a full fledge game is pretty insulting.

You hit the nail right on the head.

iLike2EatPiez
December 26th, 2007, 08:58 PM
I'm not sure. A Wii Pokemon RPG would be nice, but with PBR it would probably turn out just the same as Collo/XD (which I generally enjoyed, but they were WAY too short and easy). I just recently got it, and so far it's not been too disappointing. They probably will make another Pokemon Wii game that's gonna be an RPG, but for now, Battle Revolution serves as just an entertaining D/P edition. As for the graphics debates, that really is the only let-down I've felt for it (though I don't usually care how crappy graphics are as long as the game is fun enough). I mean, it's a Wii. Not a N64. They could at the very least re-do the old Pokemon images from way back when; I believe one of the first Pokemon I saw used on PBR was Charmeleon and I almost freaked out when I saw that they were still using the Charmelon from Stadium one. Nintendo could get away with that back then, because Stadium 1 and 2 really were "Revolutions", but now we've seen it before, and we as Pokemon fans expect a new and better game to replace Stadium.

Waker of Chaos
December 26th, 2007, 09:33 PM
Its hardly overrated.

More like underrated.

Everyone is saying its a waste of time, there is no point and it is a rubbish game when it actually beats the crap out of alot of games.

Agreed. An RPG mode would kill this game.

Being able to battle anyone around the world without having to trade Friend Codes and getting a Friend Pass out of it is great. 3D battles are great. Battling without fear of nooby hacked Pokémon and their stupid Trainers (if they are even worthy of the title) rushing in to try and own you with AR coding crap is great. Having no minigames to distract you is great. Having all different kinds of battles is great (Neon and Waterfall Colosseums are good examples). Being able to customize your Trainer and Battle Pass is great. Being able to get Electivire and Magmortar for Pokédex data without trading or finding the Magmarizer and Electirizer is great. Getting a Pikachu that knows Surf is great, especially since that's been looked forward to since Pokémon Stadium was made obsolete with Ruby and Sapphire. Being able to get TMs and other items that are otherwise 1 per DS Pokémon game or extremely rare is great. Being able to use your own Pokémon and not always Rental Passes is great.

And the graphics are NOT terrible. Yes, they could have been better, but it's not like Mewtwo looks like your great grandmother's naked butt. So don't complain that Pokémon Battle Revolution's graphics "suck", because they don't. The graphics would get a 7/10 score, compared to the 10/10 score a game like Super Smash Bros. Brawl or Metroid Prime 3: Corruption would get.

It is called Pokémon Battle Revolution for a reason. It's not meant to have an RPG mode. It is NOT crap. It is NOT just fanservice. It is NOT just something to buy for the sake of having a full collection of Pokémon video games. It is NOT "just an expansion".

It lives up to its name, and therefore is a true video game on its own. If you can't/don't appreciate this game, you have no right to call yourself a Pokémon Trainer.

That's my opinion.

And by the way, Pokémon Colosseum and Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness didn't suck either. The first gave us a nice break from the usual type of hero, and granted us Wes, the rogue who left Team Snagem and saved the Orre Region from a shadowy disaster. Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness was also the only way to get stuff like Tri Attack on Togepi and Heal Bell on Articuno, which provided more battle possibilities in the GBA games. Shadow Lugia was amazing, too.

Virtual Chatot
December 27th, 2007, 06:41 AM
They could have at least added you walking to the different colosseums from the airport. That would have made it slightly better...

Lunar Fang
December 27th, 2007, 08:05 AM
I do agree with those that say it should have been RPG (like XD) but my heart was really set on some mini-games.= (

brendan mc
December 27th, 2007, 08:39 AM
I think its perfect the way it is. It's one of thoughs game when you just kick back and relax with a nice battle thats all...

Fox♠
December 27th, 2007, 09:32 AM
Out of what games? Its the same thing as D/P. The exact same thing, only less. Wow. 3D battles. Too cool. D/P has Wi-fi matches, without all the random crap of noobs using hacked Judgement Wondertombs. I know, WTF.

The thing that kills it for me are the graphics. Come on. Yes, there should be fur textured. There should be a tad bit more realism. They just got lazy this time around. When Grotlye opened his maw, is was basically square, as if he was a robot.

Did you see Diddy Kong's fuur on Brawl? How the fur on the Ice Climber's Parka's [coats] looked? You can appreciate every stitch on Waluigi's overalls. Link looks grity (in a good way) from battle. Plus, on those when the Gamecube's trophy turned into Wii fighters, they showed the improvement.

So why the hell does PBR look like crap? You are only lying to yourself when you say those graphics are good. Compare that with Brawl RE4, Twilight Princess, Galaxy. Then try to tell me that PBR looks good. I can no longer take your opinions seriously if you say its good. & its not the Wii's fault. No. Even with limited power, it still makes games beautiful, by making it crisp, & vibrant.

The reason they keep shelling half-arsed games like PBR is because pokemaniacs buy it no matter what. No, that's only half truthful. I'm a pokemaniac, & even I hate it. So only the one's who MUST buy every bit of new game would buy that. Like Naruto games. They keep shelling out more, sometimes, they don't even try, but they buy it. Only this time, they released it as a full fleged title at that price, when its only an expansion. Which is the problem. If gamers keep running to the store paying whatever price just because Pikachu's on the box, they will continute to shell out half baked-no, half done-games. Consumers should demand better made games, by not buying those cheap knockoffs.



And omahcaw, you've given me no choice but to put that post of yours in my sig. Too true.

I realized I never answered the question! Why should they waste time putting in an RPG? That's what Diamond/Pearl is for.


You sir have just earned my upmost respect, I couldn't agree more.
The GCN could manage PBRs graphics. As far as I can tell, some of the first Gens still use the N64 graphics, though I am not certain of this.

"They even whinge about the graphics and the fact that the Pokemon don't have fur shading, texturing and all that crap."
What's wrong with wanting semi decent graphics from a console that can easily do it? Especially since it's such a poor stand alone game in general, it could of at least looked nice.

evilcheese
December 27th, 2007, 09:56 AM
yes shouldve had an RPG. the colleseums shouldve just been like mini games. an RPG wouldve made this game longer, more interesting, and way more fun.

graphics arent that bad but could be better. everyone complains about the graphics and i think they have a right to. i personaly think they (people who created PBR) expected more kids than teenagers to play this so thats probably why the graphics are somewhat crappy.

sims796
December 27th, 2007, 10:00 AM
You sir have just earned my upmost respect, I couldn't agree more.
The GCN could manage PBRs graphics. As far as I can tell, some of the first Gens still use the N64 graphics, though I am not certain of this.

"They even whinge about the graphics and the fact that the Pokemon don't have fur shading, texturing and all that crap."
What's wrong with wanting semi decent graphics from a console that can easily do it? Especially since it's such a poor stand alone game in general, it could of at least looked nice.

Thank you. If the game is only about 3d battling, ONLY 3D BATTLING, the "3D" part should be superb.

But evilcheese has a point. An unfortunate point. On the fact that this is mainly for kids. Still, I would only buy this for a punishment for the brats.

Fox♠
December 27th, 2007, 10:06 AM
Still, I would only buy this for a punishment for the brats.

"That is it! I have had enough of your antics! I am buying you PBR!!"

"NO DAD NOOO!"

SBaby
December 27th, 2007, 03:57 PM
"That is it! I have had enough of your antics! I am buying you PBR!!"

"NO DAD NOOO!"

No, it's not THAT bad. If you just HAVE to have a Pokemon game to play on the Wii, then this is really your only option as of yet. It's like I said, the game isn't ALL bad (let's put it this way, it's no Deadly Towers, or -insert worst game ever in your opinion here-). In other words, there are plenty of games that are worse than this one.


I think its perfect the way it is. It's one of thoughs game when you just kick back and relax with a nice battle thats all...


But you have to look at it from a gamer's perspective. If you ask me, it just seems like they really shafted that general audience with this one. The thing is, they could've put so much more in it than they did (while still retaining the things that are already present in the game, lord knows they have enough disc space to do so), brought Pokemon more into the mainstream, and they just didn't. It's like they didn't care or something. They just said, 'Alright we've got a bunch of battles and gimmicks. Here's our game.'. It just seems like Nintendo could've put more effort into this one. I mean, they did with Zelda and Mario.

spike6958
December 28th, 2007, 08:10 PM
this makes me laugh about what people say about the graphics been acceptable(even though im usually not someone who cares about graphics)
http://www.freewebs.com/shinyraichupokemon/Pokemon_Trainer.bmp
If they can make Pokemon look like this for a None Pokemon game then the SHOULD make them look like that for Pokemon games

sims796
December 28th, 2007, 10:19 PM
this makes me laugh about what people say about the graphics been acceptable(even though im usually not someone who cares about graphics)
http://www.freewebs.com/shinyraichupokemon/Pokemon_Trainer.bmp
If they can make Pokemon look like this for a None Pokemon game then the SHOULD make them look like that for Pokemon games

You see? This is what I mean. If it can otain THAT quality graphics, why not PBR?

El Gofre
December 29th, 2007, 07:49 AM
In my opinion, PBR exemplifies the nature of the wii: Simple, easy, fun. Everyone complaining about the graphics is forgetting about the months they have been spending on a 3 inch screen. Everyone complaining about the lack of RPG mode is forgetting that the console is barely bigger than a game case; there's only so much it could process.

If you want an RPG, stick to DP or buy an actual RPG, rather complaining about a perfectly good game.

Masterofthewii
December 29th, 2007, 01:28 PM
From what I heard PBR was not that great, so I am going to say yes it would have.

El Gofre
December 30th, 2007, 10:32 AM
From what I heard PBR was not that great, so I am going to say yes it would have.

So you're voting on a game you've never played? This backs up my theory that polls are too heavily depended on.

Rogue Shadow
January 5th, 2008, 11:21 AM
i think it would've. but then again it'd be hard for nintendo to make it fast probly wouldnt be out yet

Te-em
January 5th, 2008, 11:55 AM
RPG Mode would be boring since the battles are too slow. The game has improved a lot (Pokemon touch opponent as they attack for instance), but the graphics are still bad. To me, textures is very important (that's why I think Zelda Ocarina of Time looks better than Zelda Windwaker), and Pokemon lacks a lot of texture. If they want it to look cartoon why not use cellshading, then it looks 2D, but still is 3D and texture is not as important.

wakachamo
January 5th, 2008, 01:25 PM
RPG Mode would be boring since the battles are too slow. The game has improved a lot (Pokemon touch opponent as they attack for instance), but the graphics are still bad. To me, textures is very important (that's why I think Zelda Ocarina of Time looks better than Zelda Windwaker), and Pokemon lacks a lot of texture. If they want it to look cartoon why not use cellshading, then it looks 2D, but still is 3D and texture is not as important.

You're comparing a game that intends to be realistic to a cel-shaded game. Sorry but that's just stupid. Since when are cel-shaded games supposed to have textures? Seriously.

sims796
January 5th, 2008, 01:34 PM
You're comparing a game that intends to be realistic to a cel-shaded game. Sorry but that's just stupid. Since when are cel-shaded games supposed to have textures? Seriously.

He never compared it. He just stated that he likes Ocarina more because it has textures. We know cel shading has no textures, so that's why he liked Ocarina over Wind Waker.

Cel shading pokemon. That seems interesting.

But the RPG mode only stands for the handheld versions. It packs enough action for a handheld, short burst that I can enjoy whenever I please.

Avolition
January 6th, 2008, 02:34 AM
Here's the summary of what I think PBR is like, in six words.

"I want my 44 dollars back."

SBaby
January 17th, 2008, 04:51 PM
In my opinion, PBR exemplifies the nature of the wii: Simple, easy, fun. Everyone complaining about the graphics is forgetting about the months they have been spending on a 3 inch screen. Everyone complaining about the lack of RPG mode is forgetting that the console is barely bigger than a game case; there's only so much it could process.

If you want an RPG, stick to DP or buy an actual RPG, rather complaining about a perfectly good game.

The simple fact is that Pokemon in general is supposed to be an RPG series (aka, that's how it was marketed), so that's a moot point.

And I'm sorry, but the Wii is WAY more capable than you're giving it credit for. If the PS2 could support a game that takes roughly 70 hours to complete with the same graphics capability as Battle Revolution, massively huge near-Oblivion caliber maps, and the disc size is half what the Wii disc sizes are, then they could easily have put a 40 to 50 hour RPG in PBR.

And you're right. I don't complain about graphics, because I don't consider them to be the most important aspect of a game. I even still go back to the old Might & Magic games from time to time.


the battles are too slow.

I will agree with you that the battles are too slow. And the thing is, this is a problem that ALL games of this genre seem to face. Battles are way too slow. It happened with Pokemon, it happened with Jade Cocoon, and it even happened with Digimon. Now, I don't claim to have played every game in existence, but I have yet to see a monster-based RPG actually have faster battles. So I do agree with you on that, and I can't believe I forgot to mention that when I reviewed the game way back in the day.

However, an RPG mode wouldn't have really hurt the game due to this. Because it wouldn't be any different from the mechanics of Colosseum or XD (battling Trainers and possibly random battles).

sims796
January 17th, 2008, 05:12 PM
The thing I must agree on is this-it was capable of SO much more. This is only eye candy. Despite the fact that it has spent most of it's life in 2D, the Wii is capable of making so much more, which is why I'm so mad. The PBR only offers 3d battles, so they should look good. Exclusive content like a cheap Pikachu or Viremotar just doesn't cut it. Online matches isn't good enough, since I must cross my fingers to hope I don't get the dreaded "Wondertomb". Besides, the DS has wifi, making that somewhat moot.

I mean, watching Apiom run to the enemy for Scratch with the same expressionless face while running like the Tinman just doesn't cut it for me.

As for RPG, I disagree, to a small point. Well, the thing is, the reason I like Pokempn on the handheld is because it is given in a short burst. I'll do anything not to "Snag" pokemon.

EvilCrazyMonkey
January 17th, 2008, 05:56 PM
It stands great as a whole, but journeying back to Orre (or a new region) would definitely be awesome. I like storylines, but that's just me.

Te-em
January 18th, 2008, 11:21 AM
When I was talking about Zelda OoT and cellshading I meant that Pokemon should be like OoT, but if they don't want the game to be too realistic they can use cell shading. So, I didn't mean that OoT had anything to do with cell shading.


I will agree with you that the battles are too slow. And the thing is, this is a problem that ALL games of this genre seem to face. Battles are way too slow. It happened with Pokemon, it happened with Jade Cocoon, and it even happened with Digimon. Now, I don't claim to have played every game in existence, but I have yet to see a monster-based RPG actually have faster battles. So I do agree with you on that, and I can't believe I forgot to mention that when I reviewed the game way back in the day.

However, an RPG mode wouldn't have really hurt the game due to this. Because it wouldn't be any different from the mechanics of Colosseum or XD (battling Trainers and possibly random battles).


My friend played FF6 and I played Pokemon. We tested how much time the battles took, and Final Fantasy was just half the time of the Pokemon battle. So RPGs don't have to have slow battles. Pokemon has it because of the long battle intros (doing a quick one hit KO, will reveal that the intro is taking half the time of the battle). And PM Colloseum is slow because the Pokemon does not attack emmidiatly when given command (the just stand there for 2 seconds) and the attack animation is somewhat slow as well. Pokemon battles could be much faster.

Uryū Ishida
January 21st, 2008, 02:45 AM
I do think PBR would of been better as a FULL-3D RPG, hence full-3d, but colluseum and XD, didnt pull it off, but yeah its fine as it is.

Jack_Maddocks
January 24th, 2008, 02:46 AM
I think yes it need an RPG mode but no as well.

The point of PBR was to introduce a Pokemon game to the Nintendo Wii and was layind the red carpet for the great games that will be relesed in the not too far distant future. And if PBR had an RPG mode whats the piont of having PBR? You would have to change the name of it completely.

But yes I also think it needed a different variety instead of just plain battling. great at first but gets very boring after not that long.

Twar3Draconis
January 24th, 2008, 05:31 AM
No. Honestly, I view PBR as an extension for Diamond/Pearl. Especially with the mystery gift Pokemon and items. Without a DS and Diamond/Pearl, it's really a pointless game.

finallegacy
January 24th, 2008, 06:52 AM
PBR as I see it is more of a supplement to the D/P games than a game on it's own since there is no rpg element like in previous ones. It should have cost $20 instead of $50 imo.

lostprophetsown
January 24th, 2008, 09:21 AM
i dont think so it would have been really god with it but not necicary and just as playable without however it becomes repetitive after a bit so not sure...
also 100post lol yay!

Avolition
January 24th, 2008, 09:58 AM
No. Honestly, I view PBR as an extension for Diamond/Pearl. Especially with the mystery gift Pokemon and items. Without a DS and Diamond/Pearl, it's really a pointless game.

You forgot wifi, but I've heard a lot of people who battle on it on wifi are nubs. =\ Damn, I wish I had kept my receipt.

Shadow-Angel
January 24th, 2008, 11:08 AM
No it doesn't its good as it is. Battle mode is good being able to put your pokemon from D & P is good and being able to customize your caracter is good. Ithink it don't need a RPG mode good enough as it is.

Trace
January 24th, 2008, 04:30 PM
IMO, no. PBR is PBR. It was made to be a pure battle simulator for people with Diamond or Pearl.

Twar3Draconis
January 25th, 2008, 01:10 PM
You're right. Game Freak could've made a Pokemon Wii RPG if they wanted, but at this current time... It would've not been so good for the sales of D/P. However, since PBR would need you to use D/P for a fully custom team, and would has mystery gift, it's a way to make people buy D/P if they only have PBR, or get PBR if they have D/P.

YONNY93™
January 25th, 2008, 03:15 PM
If it had been a TRUE Pokemon RPG, then it would've been great. Not the Pokemon Colosseum/XD crap they tried to pull off. The day Nintendo manages to make a true 3D Pokemon RPG for a home console will be the day I wet myself upon hearing it.

HEY THAT IS TOTALLY WHAT THEY SHOULD DO I WOULD YET MYSELF TO HAHAHA

WaluigiRedclaw91
January 27th, 2008, 10:39 AM
Definately, i find the only way to make the game less repetitive is to play with different teams each battle

Chibaymega12
January 27th, 2008, 06:09 PM
I think that either one: It needed to be more like the Stadium games, with mini games that would have been awesome with the wii's features. Or an RPG, either way works for me

Glacier
January 27th, 2008, 06:35 PM
we got it worse in australia PBR sells for $100 and yes it is AN INCREDIBLY BIG PIECE OF CRAP.

sims796
January 27th, 2008, 06:39 PM
That is the biggest piece of crap ever, and I feel sorry for you. The exchange rate isn't THAT far off betweeen America & Aussy.

I don't know how I would handle that.

SBaby
February 3rd, 2008, 09:03 PM
It wouldn't be a big deal except for the price. They should've charged 25 to 30 bucks, but they charged 50 for it. 50!!!

Let me put that into perspective. 50 bucks is what I paid to buy Oblivion for the PS3. I mean, I rented Battle Revolution first, but that's not the point. The point is there are people that went right out and bought it.

So given the price, was it really that out of line to expect something more than a simple 3-d version of the double battles in Diamond and Pearl? I mean, everyone else puts more into their games.

I mean, how would you feel if Square-Enix made a game where you did nothing but turn-based battles the whole time with no storyline or world exploration or even level gaining, and then called it a Final Fantasy game? Or how about putting Link in a game where you did nothing but push blocks or shoot arrows at stuff the whole time with no rhyme or reason (charging 50 bucks for it in the process), and call it the next Zelda game? You'd be pretty upset.

sims796
February 3rd, 2008, 09:38 PM
It wouldn't be a big deal except for the price. They should've charged 25 to 30 bucks, but they charged 50 for it. 50!!!

Let me put that into perspective. 50 bucks is what I paid to buy Oblivion for the PS3. I mean, I rented Battle Revolution first, but that's not the point. The point is there are people that went right out and bought it.

So given the price, was it really that out of line to expect something more than a simple 3-d version of the double battles in Diamond and Pearl? I mean, everyone else puts more into their games.

I mean, how would you feel if Square-Enix made a game where you did nothing but turn-based battles the whole time with no storyline or world exploration or even level gaining, and then called it a Final Fantasy game? Or how about putting Link in a game where you did nothing but push blocks or shoot arrows at stuff the whole time with no rhyme or reason (charging 50 bucks for it in the process), and call it the next Zelda game? You'd be pretty upset.


Oh my God, Thank you! For the quality of the graphics, lack of storyline, or any other additional content other than crappy pokes, it does, in no way, deserve a full fledged, 10$-cheaper-than-a-quality-360-title, price.

flight
February 4th, 2008, 02:44 AM
I'm surprised THIS thread has lasted THIS long.

Anyway, there is something else other than stating the obvious "It's price sucks." and "Lack of storyline."

Which in all truth, totally sums up Pokemon Battle Revolution. And the only thing that could. Oh and...

"The rental pokemon suck."

*PrincessPika-chu*
February 6th, 2008, 01:51 PM
PBR shouldn't had been a RPG, although I do not like it the way it is set up now. Pokemon Colosseum sucked kind of and so did Gale of Darkness. The shadow pokemon were annoying, but otherwise, they were pretty good, but not as good as the portables. It probably would had been almost the same as a RPG--Walk around poketopia, battle other trainers, and fight in colosseums--that's all it would had been. I wish that it was set up as the pokemon stadiums-battle the gym leaders and stuff like that.
***It would had been awesome if they kept up pokemon stadium. It would be all the gym leaders from each region, with all the game songs. The songs from Kanto and Johto rocked, especially on stadium 2.

sims796
February 6th, 2008, 01:58 PM
PBR shouldn't had been a RPG, although I do not like it the way it is set up now. Pokemon Colosseum sucked kind of and so did Gale of Darkness. The shadow pokemon were annoying, but otherwise, they were pretty good, but not as good as the portables. It probably would had been almost the same as a RPG--Walk around poketopia, battle other trainers, and fight in colosseums--that's all it would had been. I wish that it was set up as the pokemon stadiums-battle the gym leaders and stuff like that.
***It would had been awesome if they kept up pokemon stadium. It would be all the gym leaders from each region, with all the game songs. The songs from Kanto and Johto rocked, especially on stadium 2.

I 100% agree. And, it should not only have free battles, but Lvl 100 wifi at that. And those mini games. I miss Digging Sandshrew, & Sushi Likitung.

Gloomymort
February 7th, 2008, 02:10 PM
the graphics really could have done with a update (fur texture, maby some different movements for the pokemon ect)
i meen come on they were exactly the same for the N64! supposedly Nintendo have improved? i really dont see it with PBR
and why in the hell can you only upload your pokemon form one game? for peeps with both D and P this really is quite an annoyeing little bit
i rember on Both the N64 games you could uplode as many different games as you liked!

and why did they get rid of the mini games? i LOVED them they gave the game a bit more longlevity for me
i like a change of pace now and again you know?

as for the RPG thing i was never really into that much but again it was a good change of pace

Gloomy

KurosakiKun
February 18th, 2008, 01:09 PM
My only wish would be that they'd make the battles a bit more Colosseum/XD - esque. Remember that awesome music when battling with GBAs in colossuem? What happened to that? It really was the best battle music there ever was. The colossuem/XD battle modes looked more action-like aswell, the camera angles were excellent and the camera even shook when Pokemon were called in and out.

It's a good game, but they 'fixed' what wasn't broken, and I'd play it a lot more if the adjustments above were made!

EDIT: Here's a vid to show what I'm talking about.
http: //youtube . com/watch?v=TP6BeBe6U8w (Remove spaces)

Amp
February 18th, 2008, 04:55 PM
Um, what pokemon game WOULDN'T be better with an RPG mode?

Vegito
February 19th, 2008, 04:44 PM
No PBR does not need an RPG system. We already have Diamond and Pearl I mean what is there to add for PBR to even have a story line. The games of Colusseum and XD were probably the best 3d rpg of pokemon and did well. I mean the ideas are getting depleted. Plus this game is meant for battles BATTLE REVOLUTION. So why would you ask for an RPG mode what is there to even do. But the graphics could have been done better. But i understand why nintendo didn't want to go with fur details and wut not. Cause it wouldn't match a scheme of pokemon I mean even in TV show you don't see pikachu's with detailed fur. The graphics are good some pokemon just need better models. And animations need better improvement. Nintendo went more with a smooth look instead the rough fuzzy stuff. Also the could of tried making the animations of some moves better I mean have you seen brick break. Does not match at all. Most pokemon have great looks but other like golduck, Sceptile, Nidoking and Nidoqueen could use that smooth touch as well.

What they need is improved animations and re model some pokemon. Apart from that the game is good, I mean it is a battling game after all.

Dark Jay
February 20th, 2008, 08:28 AM
Definitely. When I got the game, I had no idea about the no RPG thing. I was dancing up and down. I begun to play and it seemed perfect until of course I found out. I play on it about once a fortnight now...I would have loved to combine the graphics, the commentator and everything good about it with an RPG. It would be the best game ever!

Amp
February 20th, 2008, 12:10 PM
Really, the battle system is done. That's the hard part. All they would need to do is some basic overwolrd stuff and some text for story and they're done. If &*$% Mortal Kombat can have an RPG mode, then why the heck can't Pokemon?

redmoose
February 27th, 2008, 02:10 AM
in my oppinion it is the worst game i have ever played in my entire life...im deadset serious that its the worst thing to ever come into the gaming community nintendo shud be shot for even developing such a low life game..it may have been better with an rpg mode but with the likes of this game i find it impossible to improve on something so downbeat

JacobGRocks
March 2nd, 2008, 09:49 AM
it would've been much better. it is terrible because it is an RPG stripped down to just the battle mode.