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mewtwo87
July 4th, 2004, 11:40 AM
I remember when I first encuontered steel and dark type. I felt lied to. I was just thinking. There isn't anymore types I should know about is there, other than what's on Ruby and Sapphire? Are they planning on making more types?

Toothache
July 4th, 2004, 11:54 AM
No, there are no more new types in R/S. Doubt there are plans for any new types either, the 16 types we have already are fairly balanced, and besides, more types means more confusion and more remembering of type difference (I only learned of Dark's fighting weaknesses in R/S for example, cos I never used a Dark type in G/S).

mewtwo87
July 4th, 2004, 12:05 PM
I dont think more confusion is a bad thing. I think it would be more usefull for strategy and stuff. I think, the more complicated the better. Anyway, I meant in Japan or anything, because the only reason I never knew about it is that I never looked into the Japanese versions and cards and stuff. Just making sure that these are the only types all the way to where they make them.

Frostweaver
July 4th, 2004, 07:07 PM
err... it is indeed quite complicated already... the type system may not seem that way, but all the things behind Pokemon game are VERY complicated (which is often underrated by stupid critics who just play the ingame part of the Pokemon game). Refer to what I said in the new type (Pokemon general) thread about my views on new types... I'm too lazy to retype the essay out.

This isn't exactly strategy so I'll throw this back to RS.

Mew9
July 5th, 2004, 12:07 PM
also, dark and steel were introduced in Gold/Silver for GBC. The only changes in R/S were like psychic isn't super effective against ghost nemore, and mayb a few others.

IceKitten
July 5th, 2004, 01:10 PM
Psychic wasn't super effective against Ghost in the first place, y00 think it was because Gengar line is part Poison >.>

Shinin
July 5th, 2004, 01:13 PM
the only type they should add is Light.
Like Dark & Light. But I think Psychic is the replacement of Light.

jokestr2004
July 5th, 2004, 01:23 PM
I believe Psychic has a better rivalry against Fighting.... Light would make a good type... they should also make all the rEaL elements into types, like Plasma.

Simon
July 5th, 2004, 01:36 PM
Isn't Plasma a certain layer of something in your blood (if you can get the different densities of stuff in there to seperate)? If they make all real elements, Pokemon is going to be way too complicated. You'll be seeing Mercury type Pokemon walking around. Plus the'yll have to incorporate all that into the shows and I don't think nuclear Pokemon would be friendly.

The Kraig
July 6th, 2004, 08:46 AM
The current pokemon types are fine. Each has weaknesses and strengths, there's no reason to change it. I think the main reason behind the introduction of Dark and Steel types were to stop Psychic trainers just beating everything in their path.

Bagon
July 6th, 2004, 10:52 AM
I think the types that exist right now are all that is needed. I do believe that they should balance it out a little better though. Such as beefing up an underpowered type like grass or poison. Just my opinion though :-P

Firemaker
July 6th, 2004, 11:28 AM
Are there any more types needed? It like Rock Paper Sizcors. It's enough.

Also are there any good types to have.

Frostweaver
July 6th, 2004, 11:28 AM
Actually I do believe in sound type because breaking normal types into 2 categories of sound and normal will make it so that there's less repetition and Pokemon repulicates... plus grass needs some new way to be "less weak" than right now... it's strong against water and ground which is pretty nice, but like every other type is resistant to it, and so many types are strong against grass O.o;

Mew9
July 6th, 2004, 05:03 PM
yes, plasma is stuf in ur blood, but the plasma their referring to is the stuff the stars and sun is made of. Thats another kind of plasma, which is like a cross of lava, lightening, and fire.

Poke'gangster
July 7th, 2004, 12:11 PM
I don't think Poke'mon Proctactinium would be very easy. I don't think Pokemon Neptuneium would be easy as well.Though Pokemon with the Oxygen element. You'd be kidding right. Though my friends think there should be more types that relate to Digimon such as machine. Deoxys could be machine. I think there should be a light type, and wind type, But everything is balanced out already. ;)

Simon
July 7th, 2004, 02:31 PM
Machine=Steel? Wind=Flying?? Oxygen Pokemon? I'd take a breath and they'd end up in my lungs then to my blood cells. Hmmm...kill me from inside my cells? Light type is okay I guess. Another counter to Dark...or amybe cancel each other out? Cause Dark and Light are like....ummm...I don't know how to say it.

Jacob Madrox
July 7th, 2004, 09:54 PM
I feel they should add 2-3 more types, like Wind, Light, etc. Basically, I have the type thing memorized COMPLETELY, I love the games to death, but it really needs more types

Frostweaver
July 7th, 2004, 10:20 PM
*is too lazy to type out his essay against wind and light element*

How about we all just refer to the new Pokemon type thread in Pokemon general? And... if we continue to change to a topic of "what new elements should be added" then I'll just close this and link it to Pokemon general's thread that already got a few pages of this.

mewtwo87
July 8th, 2004, 10:55 AM
I see that they made dark type to counter psycic type, but why did they have to make dark type so weak. Do you ever notice how dark moves are so weak compared to other types? They should make another type that is resistant to dark( maybe light) so that they can make stronger dark pokemon. Pure dark too, not mixes.

Frostweaver
July 8th, 2004, 11:46 AM
dark moves are weak? when did that happen O.o; Houndoom, Umbreon and especially Tyranitar are some of the most powerful Pokemon out there... Umbreon is pure dark as well (and one fo the best mean looker in game). Tyranitar's sandstream screws up a lot of Pokemon, especially flail/reversal/berry abusers. Witht he ability to dragon dance up to sweep, Tyranitar is one of the strongest Pokemon ever.

Once again, light type is one of the worst possible idea... refer to that thread in Pokemon general.

Simon
July 8th, 2004, 02:04 PM
He meant Dark type attacks, not Dark type pokemon...which I don't use at all because everyone seems to kill them in one hit.

Frostweaver
July 8th, 2004, 02:09 PM
err... Tyranitar still survives brick break unless it's STAB O.o; and crunch is quite ok as only steel and dark types are weak to it. Its advantage towards ghost and psychic are quite nice. The only thing that makes dark type moves look sucky is because not too many good sp.sweeper cna learn dark attacks, as they're all stuck on Pokemon with low sp.atk.

Pogiforce-14
July 8th, 2004, 02:15 PM
I generally don't sue dark type moves either, although I think Crunch is pretty descent. I used to use a sharpedo of mine I named "Sharpie" quite a bit before I beat the pokemon league. And he doubled as a pretty good water type too.

I do agree that Dark types are possibly one of the easier ones to beat, but they have more strengths than bug pokemon. Bug pokemon seem to have naturally low stats and can only control the weakest of moves. notice how omst bug pokemon are caught early in teh game, indicating their weak status. If any type should be strengthened, I think it would be those poor, abused and trounced on bug types.

mewtwo87
July 8th, 2004, 02:22 PM
Good point about the match in the dark. but even though light isn't opposite of dark, dark does seem to have a weakness to light because dark can't exist in a room that is light but light can exist in a room of dark( of course technically if light is in a room the room should be conidered light reguardless of the amount). Anyway for that reason light type could be a type being super affective to dark.
Dark moves is what I meant, and they don't do much damage. I used to trian dark types until I kept losing to pokemon that learn stronger moves.

Frostweaver
July 8th, 2004, 02:34 PM
ahem... how's crunch or pursuit terrible in anyway? They're both excellent moves if you put it on the right stats. Don't sue the moves... sue those crappy Pokemon who learns it (only good crunch/pursuiter: Tyranitar, Houndoom, Salamence, Flygon, Charizard, Raikou)
*note: just because those Pokemon can use crunch well, that doesn't mean they have to use crunch/pursuit, because they just may have even better moves!

Bug types need no boost. Bug Pokemon generally does need it. However bug types are still a lot stronger than grass. Out of the bugs, there's still heracross leading the crowd, with pinsir, scizor, ninjask, Armaldo (more recognized by rock blast rather than being a bug though) and Forretress following behind. Silver wind and megahorn are both very powerful bug attacks, along with HP Bug for nice STAB along with fast speed and good attack power. Type advantage over dark and psychic are quite nice, with a strong point towards Ludicolo as a bonus. It's just the stats of the Pokemon that needs some fixing.

So what's good in grass?

-Breloom, sceptile, Ludicolo, Celebi, Exeggutor, and occassional Venusaur

Though grass types have a higher amount in terms of usable, grass types have major weaknesses to many types (ice, poison, fire, flying for exampel) and there isn't really much good grass moves... notice that all of those listed Pokemon don't really rely on grass damage moves except Exeggutor solarbeam and Sceptile with Leaf blade. Their stats suck just as much, and their type advantage is even worst than bug...

Simon
July 8th, 2004, 02:35 PM
Light in a room gives off shadows. Shadows are dark. Dark and Light agaisnt each other should be like Normal vs Ghost and vice versa.

mewtwo87
July 8th, 2004, 02:48 PM
That would be interesting. Types that don't hit eachother. they would have to make another type at the same time. both dark and light would have to be able to learn another types moves besides normal in order to hit eachother and since light could learn any type since it hasn't been invented yet and dark is already invented there would need to be a new type for dark to learn moves from to hit light besides normal(because if it didn't then they couldn't make a light/ghost pokemon) and under certain sercumstances like dark facing light/ghost(or the other way, light against dark/ghost) in a gym battle or something, you wouldn't be able to beat the game. Alternately they would need to start a new generation of pokemon games not compatible with existing ones in which dark learns an existing types also. There's a good arguement against having light type. Wait, I wanted light type. Oh well.

And about the dark moves being good but the pokemon bad. well I still dont agree with the moves being good but in my experience, dark type pokemon don't do very well when using dark type moves which is why I wanted a new type super effective to dark so they make new dark pokemon who kick butt with prefferably new dark moves.

Pogiforce-14
July 8th, 2004, 04:01 PM
I beg to differ. I find that my sceptile is just as important as any other member of my team. And it's leaf blade is pretty good, but a well placed Mega Drain is just as good in my case. and bug types are weak to pretty much the same things as grass types for the most part. And there are manymore bugs htat are just too weak. I.E., weedle, caterpie, Metapod, kakuna, beedrill, butterfree, wurmple, cascoon, silcoon, beautifly, and dustox. I also think paras may be a bug type. All of these are quite weak and depend on either evolution (Paras's case) or are beyond hope. you must agree that for the average pokemon trainer, bug pokemon are only used up to a certain point, then they depend on stronger types such as fire, grass, water, dragon, etc.

and speaking of moves, I think megahorn is the only good bug move. THe rest I think have a strength of 30% or less.

mewtwo87
July 9th, 2004, 08:10 AM
I've never met a trainer who used grass pokemon and was good. Grass just isn't one of those types that you can use against any pokemon. Fire is okay, water is about the same except for Swampert who is better than most water types, and Dragon or Psycic has got to be the strongest.

Abusoru
July 9th, 2004, 08:31 AM
I don't think we need more types, just more pokemon/more evolutions. For example, a new evolution for eevee, a grass type. Or a stage 2 evolution(s) for evee would be cool.

Pogiforce-14
July 9th, 2004, 09:05 AM
I've never met a trainer who used grass pokemon and was good. Grass just isn't one of those types that you can use against any pokemon. Fire is okay, water is about the same except for Swampert who is better than most water types, and Dragon or Psycic has got to be the strongest.

I happen to be near unbeatable and I use a grass type, thank you very much. My sceptile is quite deadly and is the only one in my team that can take down certain pokemon like kingdra just as en example, with out a lot of trouble.

Personally I feel unsulted you think grass users aren't good. i'd be happy to prove you wrong.I know a lot of grass users, most of which are friends or family of mine.I myself use sceptile, a friend of mine uses sceptile as well, a league operator I know usees sceptile, another friend is partial towards tropius, and my sister likes breloom. and just to show a grass user is not a bad trainer, I'm going to show you my win loss ratios, and I want you to know that I had sceptile since just after I beat the pokemon league 68 hours, 10 mintues and 51 seconds into teh game. ( now with 315 hours and 43 mintues of play time.)

Wins:25 Losses: 9 Ties:0

and most of those losses were before I got sceptile. And if that isn't enough, my battle tower team of Blaziken, Sceptile, and Swampert earned me 198 wins, 54 straight.

Basically I'm saying that you can't make a generalization that grass users are bad trainers. That is an unfair assumption.

Scyther
July 9th, 2004, 09:06 AM
i think that a light type would be good it can be strong agaimst dark and weak against grass

Mew9
July 9th, 2004, 09:10 AM
light would be a good type, since darks weaknesses are dumb, like bug.

Scyther
July 9th, 2004, 09:19 AM
light would be a good type, since darks weaknesses are dumb, like bug.
yeah but to me having dark's weakness is bug is good seems im a scyther fan

mewtwo87
July 9th, 2004, 09:32 AM
I know this isn't on the new games but back at pokemon league(at toys"R"us) on my silver version my mewtwo and the rest of my team got me over 200 wins and close to 15 losses. never lost to a grass trainer, the losses I did get is from those who used gameshark which I refused to use cause I heard it wrecked your game. Me and two of my friends were some of the best people there. I used mostly psycic, Tim used mostly dragon, then the weakest, Matt used mostly grass. In the end matt had nowhere near the wins Tim and I had. Oh yeah, unsulted isn't a word.

Scyther
July 9th, 2004, 10:05 AM
ppl underestimate bugg pokemon like grass pokemon so im sticking up for
Pogiforce-14

Pogiforce-14
July 9th, 2004, 11:00 AM
Oh yeah, unsulted isn't a word.

It's a typo. (Rolls Eyes) just because your friend couldn't handle grass types properly doesn't mean all other trainers are the same way. that is an even greater and an even more unfair assumption to think that just because your friend wasn't good with grass types that everyone else is too. He just wasn't a good trainer with grass types, but I can assure you I am, as many other people are.

And any team that is mostly one type can be beaten easily, regardless of what type it is. Frankly,if you used mostly psychics than any other type, then I must say I'm amazed you won so much. Even the pros at nintendo suggest creating a well balanced team.

mewtwo87
July 9th, 2004, 08:28 PM
Well teams change from time to time so it wasn't all the same pokemon though I did use Mewtwo and Alakazam almost every time. If I ever meet a grass pokemon trainer stronger than me, I'll shoot myself in the foot. But I've been training all types lately and my team is getting stronger every day(on ruby/Sapphire). I just got a rayquaza up to level 100 a few hours ago that is better than all my other rayquazas. And now I'm training a Tyranitar, and later because of you I'm going to see what I can do to a Sceptile, but I do doubt it will be one of my better pokemon.

Does anyone know of a pokemon league like they used to hold at toys"r"us. I need to test my team. Just to make sure I'm right.

Simon
July 9th, 2004, 08:33 PM
Don't they usually hold that stuff in NYC or Washington? Does it matter how good you're Rayza is? All Dragon/Flying are the same, OHKO when up to Ice Beam.

The only good grass types I know of are dual types like Ludicolo, which can be one heck of a pain.

mewtwo87
July 9th, 2004, 08:44 PM
Rayquaza has some bad weaknesses but it's incredibly strong. it can learn ice beam too. In double battles it's pretty good.
I can't get to NY or Washington. I wish toys"R"us would do something like that again.
Now completely off topic. Is there a pokemon I might have overlooked that is fire/electricity?

Frostweaver
July 9th, 2004, 09:32 PM
fire types lack quite a bit of dual types... all it got is fire/flying, fire/rock, fire/fighting and fire/ground (but that's quite a bit in comparison to some other types... XD)

electric's dual typers are just water/electric, electric/steel and electric/flying... I don't think there's any other type combination involving electric types.

Jirachi
July 10th, 2004, 03:56 AM
Cosmic Type.

They could at least added in a Cosmic type instead of making themselves obviously WRONG by making Pokemon from space Psychic.

Simon
July 10th, 2004, 11:34 AM
I know this isn't on the new games but back at pokemon league(at toys"R"us) on my silver version my mewtwo and the rest of my team got me over 200 wins and close to 15 losses

Aren't there supposed to be restrictions on Mewtwo and other ubers? Mewtwo's stats added with Amnesia made it near impossible to beat in RBY since Amnesia did the same thing as Calm Mind does now. But now it just raises Sp. Def. and not Sp. Atk. And Mewtwo is an uber, not a lot of grass types ar egoing to have a good chance facing a uber using Psychic with STAB.

People who sharked their Pokemon? How would you know they sharked it? Did they actually stick their GS into their GB, give their Pokemon infinite HP and battle you? Plus, I though there was supposed to be a ban on people who use hacked Pokemon, let alone even bring and use the GS during the tourny.

And no...there are no Fire and Electric types. Electric Fire...hoping that being part electric will cover water weakness?

Basic Rules For All Tournaments: You may not use any Pokmon that have been altered or boosted by any game-enhancing devices. Doing this may result in game program malfunction and will result in your disqualification from the competition.

Something I just found.

mewtwo87
July 10th, 2004, 04:09 PM
About the gameshark, it was pretty obvious when thier level read something different than numbers or when a Snorlax uses fly. They weren't official battles held by nintendo, they were just a bunch of people who liked pokemon and thought they where the best.
If there were something like fire and electric or fire and grass I would be happy. Do you think they'll make more pokemon?

Toothache
July 10th, 2004, 04:11 PM
Cosmic Type.

They could at least added in a Cosmic type instead of making themselves obviously WRONG by making Pokemon from space Psychic.

Actually, Clefairy and Clefable are supposed to have come from space, and they are both Normal types.

mewtwo87
July 10th, 2004, 04:19 PM
How about this for a new type. When a trainer runs out of pokemon, they themselves can take on the opponents pokemon.

Simon
July 10th, 2004, 05:59 PM
Right...that'll person will be getting buried. I think I read somewhere that attack moves can be Dual types as well in FRLG...or some future game. Not sure though.

Mewtwo87: NOOOOO!!! YOU KILLED MY MEWTWO!!!
Some Trainer: AHAHAHAHAHA!!! SO MUCH FOR THE STRONGEST POKEMON!!!
Mewtwo: I'll fight your pokemon myself then.
Trainer: Alright...I'll use ...Oddish. Sleep Powder!
Mewtwo: Zzzzzzz...
Trainer: Stun Spore! Poison Powder!
Mewtwo: Zzzzzz... (while inside, his muscles have been paralyzed and primary organs are rotting away)
Trainer: Tie him up in a tree and let's go.
*Some 2 weeks later, Mewtwo's body has been found decomposing by a wanderer. Wandere walks away leaving Mewtwo's body to rot away*