Peanut Butter & Jelly Time! *dances*

[flamehaze94]

~Swampert~

http://www.pokebeach.com/images/gallery/sugimori/260.png

Swampert @ Choice Band
Trait: Torrent
Adamant nature(+Atk -SpAtk)
EVs: 212HP / 36Def / 220Atk / 44Spd
- Earthquake
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge
- Ice Punch

No one expects this. CBPert is no joke, expecially with Wish support. Craps on 75% of leads out there. Outpaces Vaporeon.[/b]

~Starmie~

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v143/ruriri/th_starmie.jpg

iSpin @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
Timid nature(+Spd –Atk)
Evs: 172HP / 120SpAtk / 216Spd
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Surf
- Thunderbolt

Obligitory MixApe counter, also keeps Chomp and Gyarados at bay.


~Blissey~

http://www.freewebs.com/uninova/Blissey.bmp

Pink Blob @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
Calm nature(+Def -Atk)
EVs: 84HP / 252Def / 160SpDef / 12Spd
- Flamethrower
- Seismic Toss
- Wish
- Protect / Toxic

Redone my Bliss spread. Lawl SpecsLuke. Flamethrower hits Metagross and Breloom switch ins pretty hard. Toxic can go over Protect for breaking down opposing walls.

~Gliscor~

http://www.pokebeach.com/images/gallery/sugimori/472.png

Vampire Hunter @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Veil
Impish nature(+Def –SpAtk)
Evs: 252HP / 16Atk / 184Def / 56Spd
- Ice Fang
- Earthquake
- Knock Off
- Roost

Hera doesn't like Choice Band knocked off, or anything for that matter. Outspeeds all but Jolly Brelooms. No Stealth Rock, just because....

~Celebi~

http://www.pokebeach.com/images/gallery/sugimori/251.png

Celery @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
Bold nature(+Def -Atk)
EVs: 252HP / 224Def / 32Spd
- Calm Mind
- Leech Seed
- Baton Pass
- Grass Knot

Another “i don’t wanna die” sets. Best CM Passer, period. Switching in and outstalling Suicune and Cresselia is all I could ask for. Me main Gyara counter here, folks. More CM pl0x.

~Heatran~

http://www.newmexicocreates.org/items/sm/1390_1.jpg

Frog Legs @ Life Orb
Trait: Flash Fire
Modest nature(+SpAtk –Atk)
Evs: 40HP / 252SpAtk / 216Spd
- Flamethower
- HP [Electric]
- Earth Power
- Taunt / Explosion

A beast, with about 3 CM passes to this guy from Celery means gg. Absorbs Fire, my favorite Pokemon, taunts Cress with all kinds of swearing words imaginable or simply explodes on Bliss. What's not to like?



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:P

[Samson]

looks good. i love CBpert, but why are you so concerned with it outrunning 65 base?

putting both counter and seismic toss allows blissey to get walled by pesky ghosts way too easily. a subpunch gar would get a good chance out of putting a dent in everything on your team.

[shedinjask]

Consider Recover over Leech Seed on Celery. I've always found it more useful. I don't get what the 8 SDef is supposed to do on a CM set, but ok.

[flamehaze94]

looks good. i love CBpert, but why are you so concerned with it outrunning 65 base?

putting both counter and seismic toss allows blissey to get walled by pesky ghosts way too easily. a subpunch gar would get a good chance out of putting a dent in everything on your team.


I dunno, just because I can, Vaporeon is annoying :/

True, MixGar doesn cause some trouble.


Consider Recover over Leech Seed on Celery. I've always found it more useful. I don't get what the 8 SDef is supposed to do on a CM set, but ok.


Meh, I like Lêech Sêed to stall.

I went a bit random on the EVs, I'll fix it. =)

[sims796]

I like how your team hasn't a huge problem with Spikes/SR.

I'm a tad bit confused on what makes Celebi1 a good Gya counter. Would you be willing to explain?

Also, it took me five good minutes to realize what Fire Frog was. I had my share of Dragon Pulse used on me.

I'd go Protect for more walling, but I'm being bais cause I use a cleric., & my main walls resist poison.

[Samson]

w/o sp atk evs, celebi does some serious damage to gyara with Grass Knot (120 BP + STAB = 180 BP vs gyara) and walls him on most occasions, taking SE from only one of his options, ice fang, which is rarely seen due to issues of coverage. it's a good gyara counter, no doubt, but i find it quite unattractive cus it's ugly and it's X4 weakness to u-turn.

[sims796]

Ah. i never understood why. I've seen so many Grass Knot from Togekiss, I started to underestimate them.

[Archer]

When in doubt, post a team on PC and Smogon... LOL
There are a few common threats that need to be considered. MixVire(GrassKnot) Weak. You need more than one fast pokemon. If the opponent has Dugtrio and Specsmence, you are in deep trouble. Trio take out both Specsmence counters.(Maybe not so much Blissey w/ Counter) Swampert is your only competent form of Physical damage. Your moveset is awesome, but for something with such good coverage, why CB? This lets Opponents switch in to something they resist and you are forced to switch. Life Orb/Expert Belt please.
Overall, a very solid team.

[Samson]

Ah. i never understood why. I've seen so many Grass Knot from Togekiss, I started to underestimate them.

well Grass Knot on Togekiss vs Gyara isn't that significant of a hit anyway. sure Togekiss has a higher Sp Atk stat than Celebi, but Air Slash w/ STAB does about 112 BP + the 60% flinch, which can be more superior to 120 BP Grass Knot.

i'd think that most people running grass knot place it there over flamethrower to take care of bulky waters/grounds, most of which weigh a lot. but it's not always worth it when, again, you have the 60% STAB flinch. that's just my opinion on it.

[flamehaze94]

I post this here just because I like it here more than Smogon. And Smogon's never really gave me any real for of "good, solid" improvement. So, meh to them.

MixVire without HP [Grass] gets walled by Swampert. And without Ice Punch, Celebi and Gliscor wall it. Not a problem really.

CBPert is all I need really. Life Orb on something that can take a hit? No thanks. Expert Belt does lol damage.

Dugtrio can't ever get past Gliscor, and SpecsMence can never get past Blissey.

[Archer]

~What i meant was, is that Dugtrio can trap and kill Blissey and Heatran, your biggest Specmence Counters and then it has a free sweep.
~As for mix Vire, i would run it with Grass Knot, Ice Punch, Thunderbolt and EQ.
~I see your reasoning behind Swampert, but I still think Expert Belt is an option.
~Why is Dugtrio going to be switched into Gliscor anyway?
~Consider a PHazer, as a slow team does NOT want to be unable to remove SD/NP

~Its a very Solid team as i said before. Iron out some of the little bugs and you could be the owner of an incredibly succesful team.

Merry Xmas,

~Archer~