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Cassino
December 23rd, 2007, 12:24 PM
With Christmas just round the corner, I've thought, is there anyone who doesn't celebrate it? Assuming at least one other person on this huge message board doesn't, saying why would be great. :)

Now I'd best answer my own question, eh? I don't celebrate Christmas, and simply because I'm not a Christian. Yes, Christmas has become pretty much secular in modern times, but I don't see it as such.

pokejungle
December 23rd, 2007, 12:30 PM
Even if I weren't Christian, I'd still want presents.

sims796
December 23rd, 2007, 12:53 PM
With Christmas just round the corner, I've thought, is there anyone who doesn't celebrate it? Assuming at least one other person on this huge message board doesn't, saying why would be great. :)

Now I'd best answer my own question, eh? I don't celebrate Christmas, and simply because I'm not a Christian. Yes, Christmas has become pretty much secular in modern times, but I don't see it as such.

This is a very interesting sentence. Even if one isn't a Christian, are you still allowed to celebrate Christmas? Did the value of what its really about decline? Or is it just that people are getting into the holiday spirit?

My friend is Jewish, so he doesn't celebrate. But he still buys me a present, & I him.

pokejungle
December 23rd, 2007, 12:58 PM
Of course you can still celebrate Christmas if you're not Christian. It's not like it has any religious significance anymore.

Too bad we bastardized what once held a LOT of significance.

sims796
December 23rd, 2007, 01:01 PM
Of course you can still celebrate Christmas if you're not Christian. It's not like it has any religious significance anymore.

Too bad we bastardized what once held a LOT of significance.

Ah, watch what you say. I celebrate at church. The mass thinks its only about presents.

Merzbau
December 23rd, 2007, 01:09 PM
I don't believe in god. I celebrate Christmas just the same. No one really knows I don't believe, and I'm forced to go to church, but...

Meh, I celebrate it as a holiday of love and spending time with family.

Amachi
December 23rd, 2007, 02:00 PM
In my opinion, I think it's kinda sad that such an important day on the Christian calender has been turned into a corporate holiday about material goods. Heck, even though I'm a Christian, Christmas won't mean much to me at all, neither spiritually nor materialistically. I'll go to church, get my gifts, see and eat with family, and once the day goes by I won't think about it for another year.

Maybe I associate it too much with gifts (I mean, look at my current theme - girls in Santa suits XD), and as I've grown up I've grown out of the whole "omg squee presents under the Christmas tree" deal. But nyeh, as [sugarPUNK!] up there said, family time, while accompanied by the occasional argument, is still good.

Actually, I'm probably just recollecting my thoughts of Christmas from last year ...

Also, I fixed the typo in your title for ya :D

Chikara
December 23rd, 2007, 03:01 PM
I don't think my family has fully grasped that Christmas is a Christian holiday XD;
(We don't go to church. I can't say 'oh my god', my dad doesn't know it's a derogatory statement for Christians ^^')

I'm not complaining though. I think we're more of a 'celebrate the season of giving' type of family, and that's what I think everyone who celebrates it anyway has in mind too~

Cassino
December 23rd, 2007, 03:04 PM
This is a very interesting sentence. Even if one isn't a Christian, are you still allowed to celebrate Christmas? Did the value of what its really about decline? Or is it just that people are getting into the holiday spirit?

My friend is Jewish, so he doesn't celebrate. But he still buys me a present, & I him.
Indeed I can celebrate Chirstmas, anyone can. :0 I just choose not to. That's just "how I am" and all that stuff. x0

Also, I fixed the typo in your title for ya :D
Oh, what was the typo? :0


Thus far, I seem to be the only person not involving myself in this festival... somewhat surprising, can I say.

Scytheteen
December 23rd, 2007, 03:23 PM
I don't celebrate christmas, for I am jewish. I mean I could celebrate the holiday, but I wouldn't get any presents or see any family. Plus I'm proud to be a jew.

Careful With That Axe, Pichu!
December 23rd, 2007, 05:37 PM
I don't celebrate it religiously because I'm not a Christian. I do give gifts to dear people that take part of that belief, though; that includes my whole family. Nevertheless, I personally take part in the gatherings and stuff my family and friends like to do socially, of course.

_Nova_
December 23rd, 2007, 07:33 PM
I'm a Christian (and I'm proud of it!) so I celebrate it. But sometimes I think it getrs so comercialized that I forget the actual meaning...

Jack O'Neill
December 24th, 2007, 01:09 AM
Christmas wasn't even a Christian holiday to begin with. The early Christian church simply appropriated the date from various pagan winter festivals, and various aspects of the holiday take cues from pagan Germanic and Scandinavian rituals.

I'm a devout Christian, but I celebrate the secular and commercial Christmas with the lights, the gifts, the eggnog, the decorations, and National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation playing on the TV. I do not celebrate the lame-ass right-wing fundie evangelist Christmas where people sit in church on a hard wooden bench while the minister guilt-trips them for hours on end. My minister doesn't even bother with the guilt-trip sermon to begin with; he knows it's a waste of time, and he knows that Jesus Christ wasn't really born on 25 December.

RYOUKI
December 24th, 2007, 01:16 AM
I'm a Christian but I don't think Christmas is a great hoilday.

Maybe because of my family, Which doesn't really enjoy christmas becuase all of our family isn't here.

sims796
December 24th, 2007, 01:17 AM
Christmas wasn't even a Christian holiday to begin with. The early Christian church simply appropriated the date from various pagan winter festivals, and various aspects of the holiday take cues from pagan Germanic and Scandinavian rituals.

I'm a devout Christian, but I celebrate the secular and commercial Christmas with the lights, the gifts, the eggnog, the decorations, and National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation playing on the TV. I do not celebrate the lame-ass right-wing fundie evangelist Christmas where people sit in church on a hard wooden bench while the minister guilt-trips them for hours on end. My minister doesn't even bother with the guilt-trip sermon to begin with; he knows it's a waste of time, and he knows that Jesus Christ wasn't really born on 25 December.

Oooo, controversial.

Maybe we should drop the religious discussion, lest a flame war starts.

EDIT:What kind of sermon do you attend? I avoid the sermons where the minister is so much better he can judge me. My church isn't like that. He's just boring. Very very boring.

peirateis
December 24th, 2007, 08:53 AM
Christmas wasn't even a Christian holiday to begin with. The early Christian church simply appropriated the date from various pagan winter festivals, and various aspects of the holiday take cues from pagan Germanic and Scandinavian rituals.

Maybe it wasn't, ages and ages ago, but it certainly is now. I'd say celebrating the birth of Jesus is pretty Christian.

bna_li
December 24th, 2007, 12:21 PM
It is Christian now. That's why they only write "Xmas" and say "Happy holidays" now because of the so-called "separation of church and state."

Shiraishi
December 24th, 2007, 01:55 PM
Christmas wasn't even a Christian holiday to begin with. The early Christian church simply appropriated the date from various pagan winter festivals, and various aspects of the holiday take cues from pagan Germanic and Scandinavian rituals.

I'm a devout Christian, but I celebrate the secular and commercial Christmas with the lights, the gifts, the eggnog, the decorations, and National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation playing on the TV. I do not celebrate the lame-ass right-wing fundie evangelist Christmas where people sit in church on a hard wooden bench while the minister guilt-trips them for hours on end. My minister doesn't even bother with the guilt-trip sermon to begin with; he knows it's a waste of time, and he knows that Jesus Christ wasn't really born on 25 December.

I heard about that on the History channel(I WAS BORED T_T) it approximated his birth to around spring. I forgot why, it had something to do with sheep. ._. I'm not devout and probably never will be.

Death_Mande
December 24th, 2007, 01:56 PM
Since i dont believe in christianity, i dont celebrate christmas. Although i do give a present to my girl friend.

Seremiya
December 24th, 2007, 02:34 PM
My family's Christian and yeah we've always celebrated Christmas.
I can't imagine how Christmas would be without Christmas~ ^^'

Zanacross
December 24th, 2007, 02:34 PM
I once belived in god when i was young (6-8) and went to church every other sunday and on Xmas day. Then i thought about how people just said god has his reasons when something bad happens. I celebrate xmas but im not christian and wont be.

I celebrate xmas as a holiday for spending time with family.

The Infinite Devil Machine
December 24th, 2007, 02:57 PM
Christmas wasn't even a Christian holiday to begin with. The early Christian church simply appropriated the date from various pagan winter festivals, and various aspects of the holiday take cues from pagan Germanic and Scandinavian rituals.

I'm a devout Christian, but I celebrate the secular and commercial Christmas with the lights, the gifts, the eggnog, the decorations, and National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation playing on the TV. I do not celebrate the lame-ass right-wing fundie evangelist Christmas where people sit in church on a hard wooden bench while the minister guilt-trips them for hours on end. My minister doesn't even bother with the guilt-trip sermon to begin with; he knows it's a waste of time, and he knows that Jesus Christ wasn't really born on 25 December.

I'm glad I didn't have to say that, thanks. ^_^;

Well, I'm an Agnostic, but my mom's side of the family still celebrates Christmas. I like spending time with the people I love. That's the only part of Christmas I really take part in. But I still get a present or too...

Jessie
December 24th, 2007, 04:24 PM
We are Christian and we celebrate it. Two of my best friend are Atheist and they celebrate it. I couldn't imagine not having Christmas...it's just...so...happy!

Zorin
December 24th, 2007, 05:40 PM
I don't really celebrate Christmas, well I have a tree and we go eat with family but no Christmas songs or presents. That's because we celebrate Sinterklaas, a Dutch tradition. It's pretty much like Christmas, but it doesn't have anything to do with a religion.

Sheena--Fujibayashi
December 24th, 2007, 05:51 PM
My whole entire family is Catholic & we celebrate Christmas due to our beliefs.

I know many people who are of different religions who celebrate Christmas as well. I guess it`s sort of become a holiday for everyone...

Waffle-San
December 24th, 2007, 10:27 PM
Well apparently we're anglican, though i don't really know the details on that.

My family's pretty atheist, though I think I'm the only who will admit to it. We don't go to church or anything like that. Of course my parents have never been one to qustion beliefs or really care.

We do celebrate Christmas though, looking around can you really call it a christian holiday anymore.
We miss school or get days off from work for christian holiday's but rarely any other religions holdiays (well at least here in Canada, I can't speak for others).

I think it's more of a (inter)national holiday. I don't celebrate it to celebrate the birth of Jesus, I celebrate for what I think he would of stood for. I think this world needs a holiday based on giving and happiness, spending time with family and spreading good cheer. One where we can put everything behind us and just have a good time despite circumastances.
Now I know that's not just christmas, many, many other holidays have the same (underlying?) meaning. Many other holidays do it better, because they're not so commercialized but I've grown to except that. It's not the season to be of foul mood.

I believe in Santa Claus, for he exists, and hopefully always will.


These things always turn out so much longer than I plan.

Romance Hero
December 24th, 2007, 10:31 PM
Eh, I'm Buddhist, I would know what it's like to recieve gifts today, but I've given gifts to my Ex's.

Don't get me wrong though, I think my religion is awesome.

Randall Raichu
December 24th, 2007, 10:43 PM
Everyone has their opinions. I myself and a Christian and I believe that Christ died for me and today is about celebrating his birth. That is what CHRISTmas is all about. What I find funny is people say happy holidays so they try to keep God and religion out of this time of the year. It is sad that people are so ignorant and they do not understand that holiday derives from HOLY DAYS. So they aren't doing much good.

sims796
December 24th, 2007, 10:53 PM
What I find funny is people say happy holidays so they try to keep God and religion out of this time of the year. It is sad that people are so ignorant and they do not understand that holiday derives from HOLY DAYS. So they aren't doing much good.

It's called being politically correct. I find that a tad bit annoying.

Romance Hero
December 24th, 2007, 11:04 PM
You can't beat Sims in a Religious argument, even if you've seen www.zeitgeistmovie.com

Soul Eater
December 25th, 2007, 03:50 AM
I'm catholic and I definitly celebrate Christmas but I just celebrate the way my parents do. We dont really go to church on Christmas because to me, being at home with my family is all I really enjoy. Going to church would ruin that bond. D:

Randall Raichu
December 25th, 2007, 06:31 AM
It's called being politically correct. I find that a tad bit annoying.

I know its "politically correct" But you find most places saying that. They make all the greeters everywhere say happy holidays. But everyone who knows me says Merry Christmas.

sims796
December 25th, 2007, 08:42 AM
I know its "politically correct" But you find most places saying that. They make all the greeters everywhere say happy holidays. But everyone who knows me says Merry Christmas.

I didn't say I apppreciate it when people go "Politically Correct". I was trying to use it in a sarcastic tone. I couldn't agree more with that post of yours earlier.

Cartmic
December 25th, 2007, 09:20 AM
I'm a Christian and I celebrate Christmas as it marks the birth if our Saviour.

I don't really like the commercialism of it though.

Jaimes
December 25th, 2007, 03:22 PM
Even though I'm atheist, I celebrate Christmas with my family because it's fun and a great tradition.

It's no different from people celebrating Halloween even if they're not a pagan.

Scarlet Weather
December 25th, 2007, 04:09 PM
Eh, going to interject here.

First of all, in response to Jack O' Neill's statement, I don't believe that Jesus Christ was born on the twenty-fifth of December. On the other hand, I don't celebrate Christmas as a secular holiday. Honestly, it's a religious event, no matter which way you slice it. I don't care if the inspiration for making the 25th the season when the advent of Christ's birth was celebrated got started by missionaries who needed to put a substitute festival there to make the tribe of goat-slaughtering cannibal rapists they were preaching to happy, it is still a religious holiday for Christianity and should be viewed as such. Let the materialistic people of the rest of the world celebrate it as a holiday for getting gifts, let the atheists and agnostics celebrate the family togetherness and joy to the world. They are NOT celebrating Christmas. What they are celebrating differs from a holiday set to honor the birth of Christ so greatly that I think we should give it a different name. After all, I don't call Halloween 'all Hallow's Eve', which is where the name derives from. Personally, I think that either Christians or the rest of the world need to rename the 25th December holiday to reflect the difference in worldview that causes them to celebrate.

Oh... and I don't really think it's wise to call a sermon boring. Oatmeal is quite possibly the most boring food in the world, but it's extremely good for you, and keeps you from starving to death. I don't go to church to get excited, I go because I'm supposed to worship God. 0_o

Now, I don't ignore the secular side of Christmas. I just look on it as, primarily, a religious holiday and honor it as such. Prayer before presents, if you will.

Zerro
December 25th, 2007, 04:20 PM
94% of The USA celebrates Christmas, 14% of which are non Christian. Screw being politically correct. =P

Melody
December 25th, 2007, 04:35 PM
I celebrate Christmas. Not for religious reasons though. I see it as a time of goodwill. A time where everyone stops and spends time with the people they love and care about. To me, Christmas has always been that way. I never really gave a darn about it's religious ties because too many people are offended that the main holiday of the biggest religion in the world is celebrated almost everywhere. I respect other's right to belive how they want but I've long since given up on christmas religios meaning because it's such a great holiday to share. Nothing feels better than giving. I honestly think people should stop obsessing on how christmas is a Christian holiday and join us in celebrating it. You dont have to belive in Christianity to celebrate it in my opinion.

I feel that this time of year is always a good time to have such a holiday of goodwill because it helps people carry on hope into the new year.

Now I know that some of you hard core christians will object to me ignoring it's so called 'religious significance'. Dont waste your time on me. I'm not listening.
I feel that christmas should be shared with all people in the world because it's a happy time. On christmas nobody wants to fight. We all just wanna stay home and spend time with the people we care about.

Tamaki
December 25th, 2007, 06:03 PM
Well, I'm Wiccan (a form of Pagan) and I celebrate Christmas. My philosophy is, Jesus was a pretty cool dude, I might as well celebrate his birthday. ^^' Plus, I mean, presents, can't go wrong with those... ku ku ku

Cassino
December 28th, 2007, 12:57 PM
Eh, sorry for my lack of response, went off playing Call of Duty 4, so fun...
Anyways...

Christmas wasn't even a Christian holiday to begin with. The early Christian church simply appropriated the date from various pagan winter festivals, and various aspects of the holiday take cues from pagan Germanic and Scandinavian rituals.
I'm aware of that. Christianity is funny...


Now, it seems overall... Yeah, Christ's Mass has pretty much become secular amongst the majority. x0 Another one of the world's oddities. :0

Tamaki
December 28th, 2007, 01:06 PM
I agree... Christmas actually isn't Jesus's birthday. He was born in March-ish. They just ripped off other religions.

Amachi
December 28th, 2007, 04:20 PM
Blazikendude, your post was deleted as it was rude and seemed to be even spammish somewhat, not contributing to the discussion at hand.

That said, it seems to me that this discussion is becoming more centered around Christianity as a religion rather than the changing secular nature of Christmas. Since religious discussions usually don't turn out too good round these parts, I'll have to close this if it goes anymore off topic.