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ShadowAzelf
December 24th, 2007, 12:52 AM
Metagross @Shuca/Occa Berry
Adamant Nature
EVs:252attk/200hp/32spdef/24def

Earthquake
Meteor Mash
Thunder Punch
Icy Wind (WTF?)
My starter. Yes, I'm running Icy Wind > Ice Punch, why? For getting sweepers to switch out by lowering their speed by 25%, IDC, it's done just that in the time that I've been able to test it out. The set hits enough to the point where I can have a free moveslot.

Lopunny @Leftovers
Jolly Nature
EVs:200attk/252spd/56hp
Cute Charm

Fake Out
Fire Punch
Ice Punch
Magic Coat
THIS is my favorite poke, despite my name being ShadowAzelf... Screw anyone who suggests AgiliPassing or Switcheroo, I'm not using it, as said before, "It's a waste of a Lopunny".

Espeon @Leftovers
Timid Nature
EVs:252spd/200spattk/56hp

Calm Mind
HP Ground
Grass Knot
Psychic
My CM sweeper.

Slowbro @Leftovers
Bold Nature
EVs:252def/240hp/16spattk
Own Tempo

Ice Beam
Grass Knot
HP Electric [70]
Slack Off
My tank and Mence/Dos/Chomp counter.

Tangrowth @Leftovers
Relaxed Nature
EVs:252hp/100def/56attk/60spattk/40spdef

Leech Seed
Knock Off
Earthquake
HP Ice
My Vire counter. It handles Dragon switch ins with HP Ice.

Spirtomb @Leftovers
Calm Nature
EVs:240hp/216def/112def/20spattk

W-o-W
Calm Mind
Dark Pulse
Pain Split
My dual wall.

Towlie
December 24th, 2007, 01:42 AM
How is switcheroo/agilipassing a waste of a Lopunny. It's stats are horrible. What will Magic Coat do? People know how fragile Lopunny is, and aren't going to take the time to status it.

Syaoran
December 24th, 2007, 07:00 AM
I love you for using Icy Wind. This move is so looked over but it gets the job done and scares dragons.

Your team has big Heracross weakness (Tangrowth, Espeon, Lopunny, Slowbro). I suggest considering Ambipom instead of Lopunny if you desire a good Fake Out user that has some tricks of its own.

I would recommend making your Tangrowth your Gyara counter instead of Slowbro with giving it Power Whip (no HP ice). You can give Slowbro Trick Room or Thunder Wave because your team is generally slow. Keep Ice Beam on it and ditch Grass Knot or HP Electric.

sims796
December 24th, 2007, 07:25 AM
I just don't trust that Loppuny set. It is far too weak physically to make use of Ice/Fire Punch. Magic Coat...Well seems ok, but most people rely on straight up physical damage when they see Loppuny.

Whoops, I'm thinking Mirror Coat! Magic may be worse, as Towlie said, the opponent will opt to wipe it out rather than status it to death.

Waker of Chaos
December 24th, 2007, 07:34 AM
Metagross is fine. I like the strategy with Icy Wind here.

Magic Coat is interesting. It'll reflect Thunder Wave, Hypnosis, Confuse Ray, Leech Seed, Screech, and the like back at the attacker. Fake Out is obvious. The only thing is Lopunny can't take a hit, so watch out for being outpredicted. And yes, most of the time, people will just attack Lopunny. I guess that's when you switch to Spiritomb or something. Switcheroo, an Iron Ball, and Klutz are Lopunny's best use, along with Baton Pass and Agility. You may think it's a waste, but without Swords Dance, hitting a ton of stuff with super effective attacks will still not help. You're pretty much stuck on relying on the 10% chance of a burn/freezing.

Espeon's fine.

Slowbro's fine, though I'd try to find room for Surf there.

Why is Tangrowth using Knock Off instead of a Grass attack? I find this very strange.

You need to redo Spiritomb's EVs. Also, use Pursuit or Sucker Punch over Dark Pulse. Spiritomb can't outspeed anything, so you can't get anything out of that 20% flinch rate.

Do you mind checking my team out in return? There's a link in my signature.

Archer
December 24th, 2007, 07:51 AM
Metagross @Shuca/Occa Berry
Adamant Nature
EVs:252attk/200hp/32spdef/24def

Earthquake
Meteor Mash
Thunder Punch
Icy Wind (WTF?)Agility is much better
My starter. Yes, I'm running Icy Wind > Ice Punch, why? For getting sweepers to switch out by lowering their speed by 33%, IDC, it's done just that in the time that I've been able to test it out. The set hits enough to the point where I can have a free moveslot.

Lopunny @Leftovers
Jolly Nature
EVs:200attk/252spd/56hp
Cute Charm

Fake Out
Fire Punch
Ice Punch
Magic Coat
THIS is my favorite poke, despite my name being ShadowAzelf... Screw anyone who suggests AgiliPassing or Switcheroo, I'm not using it, as said before, "It's a waste of a Lopunny".

Espeon @Leftovers
Timid Nature
EVs:252spd/200spattk/56hp

Calm Mind
HP Ground
Grass Knot
Psychic
My CM sweeper.

Slowbro @Leftovers
Bold Nature
EVs:252def/240hp/16spattk
Own Tempo

Ice Beam
Grass Knot Consider Curse
HP Electric [70]
Slack Off
My tank and Mence/Dos/Chomp counter.

Tangrowth @Leftovers
Relaxed Nature
EVs:252hp/100def/56attk/60spattk/40spdef

Leech Seed /Sleep Powder
Knock Off
Earthquake
HP Ice /Rock Slide
My Vire counter. It handles Dragon switch ins with HP Ice.

Spirtomb @Leftovers
Calm Nature
EVs:240hp/216def/112def/20spattk Dark Pulse and Calm Mind are bad news for most Special Sweepers. So could i suggest Investing more into Physical Defence as Physical Sweepers can switch in more freely.

W-o-W
Calm Mind
Dark Pulse
Pain Split
My dual wall.

Edit in Bold. This is a nice team except for Loppunny. Consider using an Mixed Infernape/Electivire as you only have 2 decent Sweepers.