Friend's Team

[Waker of Chaos]

A friend of mine wanted to make a team of her favorite Pokémon. Her original team was terrible, so she and I talked it over and came up with the team below. Any changes in Pokémon I'll need to talk over with her. Any other changes are fine.

***http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani376.gif @ Choice Band; Clear Body
Adamant; 152 HP, 252 Attack, 104 Speed
Meteor Mash
Earthquake
ThunderPunch
Explosion

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani248.gif @ Expert Belt; Sand Stream
Naive; 216 Attack, 196 Speed, 96 Special Attack
Stone Edge
Crunch
Fire Blast
Ice Beam

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani475.gif @ Leftovers; Steadfast
Adamant; 244 HP, 104 Speed, 160 Attack
Psycho Cut
Close Combat
Hypnosis
Will-O-Wisp

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani407.gif @ Choice Specs; Natural Cure
Timid; 4 HP, 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed
Leaf Storm
Energy Ball
Weather Ball
Hidden Power (Fire)

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani143.gif @ Leftovers; Thick Fat
Careful; 244 HP, 236 Special Defense, 28 Defense
Body Slam
Fire Blast
Sleep Talk
Rest

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani472.gif @ Leftovers; Sand Veil
Impish; 252 HP, 252 Defense, 6 Attack
Earthquake
Aerial Ace
Stealth Rock
Roost

***Leader

Fix 1: Tyranitar's Nature was changed from Adamant to Naive.
Fix 2: Moved 28 EVs from Snorlax's Special Defense into Defense.
Fix 3: Snorlax was redone to support Curse.
Fix 4: Snorlax was reverted to the original Rest and Sleep Talk build, this time with Fire Blast to help against Skarmory.
Fix 5: Roserade forgot Sludge Bomb in favor of Energy Ball.
Fix 6: Looking for a suitable replacement for Tyranitar.
Fix 7: Metagross now holds a Choice Band and has Explosion over Agility.

[boo836]

For T-tar there's no use of giving him a nature that lowers two of his attacks. So replace fire blast with earthquake and ice beam for maybe dragon dance? And get rid of the spatt evs and max out att and spd and remainder goes in hp.

[Waker of Chaos]

For T-tar there's no use of giving him a nature that lowers two of his attacks. So replace fire blast with earthquake and ice beam for maybe dragon dance? And get rid of the spatt evs and max out att and spd and remainder goes in hp.

Ah, I overlooked that. Thanks. I'll change the Nature.

[evilcheese]

this team lack a cleric a phazer and a spinner

[shedinjask]

This team really doesn't need a Spinner unless you're paranoid of Spikes. And with the Fire Blast on Tar nailing Skarm and Forry they won't be a problem.

Seems like a decent team. I would put more Def on Snorlax.

[evilcheese]

or even just curselax would do

[Shiraishi]

I recommend having something on that team with 110+ base speed. Metagross is the fastest thing on that team only because of agility :/

[Waker of Chaos]

This team really doesn't need a Spinner unless you're paranoid of Spikes. And with the Fire Blast on Tar nailing Skarm and Forry they won't be a problem.

Seems like a decent team. I would put more Def on Snorlax.

How much more, and from where?

[shedinjask]

From SDef, but I wouldn't put too much since it's the other half of your special walling. Just make it a little more balanced so it can take a few more physical hits.

Or make it Curselax. Curselax is good.

[Waker of Chaos]

Will Snorlax's new EV spread work, do you think?

I'm not so sure about the Curse build here. Wouldn't I be putting more EVs on Defense than on Special Defense with that, and thus be losing my special wall?

[Dark_Azelf]

Will Snorlax's new EV spread work, do you think?

I'm not so sure about the Curse build here. Wouldn't I be putting more EVs on Defense than on Special Defense with that, and thus be losing my special wall?

Snorlax@leftovers
evs: 76HP / 44ATK / 136DEF / 252SP.DEF
Careful nature
- Body Slam
- Earthquake / Fire Punch / Crunch
- Rest
- Curse

I really really hate this thing, its frikking ridiculous if you dont have a phaser even then it wrecks common ones such as Skarm with Fire Punch.

Body Slam gets STAB and for Parahax

Earthquake for T-Tar.Fire Punch for Skarm and Crunch for Ghosts . All work, its up to you in that slot.

Rest is for healing-ness

Curse to make you uber in both defensive departments.

EVS allow you to take Focus Blasts and Aura Spheres and other ridiculously powerfull sp.atts.

[Waker of Chaos]

Snorlax@leftovers
evs: 76HP / 44ATK / 136DEF / 252SP.DEF
Careful nature
- Body Slam
- Earthquake / Fire Punch / Crunch
- Rest
- Curse

I really really hate this thing, its frikking ridiculous if you dont have a phaser even then it wrecks common ones such as Skarm with Fire Punch.

Body Slam gets STAB and for Parahax

Earthquake for T-Tar.Fire Punch for Skarm and Crunch for Ghosts . All work, its up to you in that slot.

Rest is for healing-ness

Curse to make you uber in both defensive departments.

EVS allow you to take Focus Blasts and Aura Spheres and other ridiculously powerfull sp.atts.

I see. It's a special wall that becomes a mixed wall. Interesting.

I'll talk to my friend (this team's for her, not me), and see if she's OK with it.

And finally, this is a bump. I've rebuilt Snorlax to support Curse as well.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

How many times must you bump this to realize nobody has much else to say? >.>

Well, I like to contradict myself, so I'll say what I wanted to say O_o

Snorlax needs less curse and more Sleep Talk. Curselax is really meh this generation, and I mean REALLY meh. ResttalkLax is far more sturdy and a better Choice IMO.

IMO, Metagross needs less Shuca Berry and more choice band (yeah, Agiligross isn't what it used to be either, and CBgross has always been better.) Over agility, Explosion. CB explosion will KO anything that doesn't resist it and a lot of stuff that resists it anyways.

Replace Weather ball or sludge bomb on roserade for energy ball. Leaf Storm as your only grass move will prove unreliable.

TTar has to go. Snorlax has enough trouble walling this gen, taking its leftovers recovery doesn't help. While it helps some pokemon, others are really hurt by it. You'll want to replace TTar.

BTW, you'll want to switch Snorlax's EVs around a bit to fit the resttalker role. Eh, I got them from Smogon...unlike a few Smogon EV spreads, it works quite well.

Seriously though, your team can't hurt Skarmory amazingly well. Roserade doesn't like taking brave bird switching in, and excess damage from sand stream (and probably SR as well as this team lacks a spinner) will hurt. TTar really needs replaced, so that is invalid (not to mention Tar can be stalled and defeated, and Skarmory now runs rampant).

Also, nothing on this team can take status, even snorlax taking a turn to rest it off can be annoying. WoW will torch you pretty bad. Any Gengar that induces WoW and/or hypnosis will be the end of you.

That's what I saw >.>

[Waker of Chaos]

How many times must you bump this to realize nobody has much else to say? >.>

I bump it when my friend asks me to. It's her team, not mine.

Well, I like to contradict myself, so I'll say what I wanted to say O_o

Snorlax needs less curse and more Sleep Talk. Curselax is really meh this generation, and I mean REALLY meh. ResttalkLax is far more sturdy and a better Choice IMO.

That's what it was originally, actually. I'll change it back.

IMO, Metagross needs less Shuca Berry and more choice band (yeah, Agiligross isn't what it used to be either, and CBgross has always been better.) Over agility, Explosion. CB explosion will KO anything that doesn't resist it and a lot of stuff that resists it anyways.

It would need more Speed, then. All right.

Replace Weather ball or sludge bomb on roserade for energy ball. Leaf Storm as your only grass move will prove unreliable.

Most likely Sludge Bomb. Weather Ball is too versatile to let go.

TTar has to go. Snorlax has enough trouble walling this gen, taking its leftovers recovery doesn't help. While it helps some pokemon, others are really hurt by it. You'll want to replace TTar.

As this is my friend's team, I'll have to ask her what to do with Tyranitar. She might want to get rid of Snorlax instead and use a different wall that can work in a sandstorm.

BTW, you'll want to switch Snorlax's EVs around a bit to fit the resttalker role. Eh, I got them from Smogon...unlike a few Smogon EV spreads, it works quite well.

All right.

Seriously though, your team can't hurt Skarmory amazingly well. Roserade doesn't like taking brave bird switching in, and excess damage from sand stream (and probably SR as well as this team lacks a spinner) will hurt. TTar really needs replaced, so that is invalid (not to mention Tar can be stalled and defeated, and Skarmory now runs rampant).

Again, this is my friend's team. I'll have to ask her what to do about which Pokémon to use.

Also, nothing on this team can take status, even snorlax taking a turn to rest it off can be annoying. WoW will torch you pretty bad. Any Gengar that induces WoW and/or hypnosis will be the end of you.

What do we do about that? It's not like we can use Dewgong well here.

That's what I saw >.>

All right. Give me a few minutes to fix Snorlax. My friend won't come on until later.

[sims796]

For that last questionqn Aromatherapist may work well.

If she's willing to rebreed Roserade (I like saying that. Roserade.) it can use Aromatherapy quite well, but it will cut back on sweeping power. You call.

[Waker of Chaos]

For that last questionqn Aromatherapist may work well.

If she's willing to rebreed Roserade (I like saying that. Roserade.) it can use Aromatherapy quite well, but it will cut back on sweeping power. You call.

Well, if we're replacing a Pokémon, it would make sense to make the replacement able to use Heal Bell or Aromatherapy. Roserade isn't exactly good on Defense and Special Defense, so I'd probably get one Aromatherapy before she faints.

[sims796]

Look at Roserade again. You might be mistaken about her sp.def. It's quite high. She's no wall (with her low HP) but she can take a few SP.hits before falling.

Plus, she's fast enough to guarentee a Therapy before fainting if she's low on HP. Pretend your Glalade was your last poke who can turn the match around. But he's burned. A speedy therapist might help.


Regardless, replacing is a better idea. Who are you planning on losing?

[Waker of Chaos]

Look at Roserade again. You might be mistaken about her sp.def. It's quite high. She's no wall (with her low HP) but she can take a few SP.hits before falling.

Plus, she's fast enough to guarentee a Therapy before fainting if she's low on HP. Pretend your Glalade was your last poke who can turn the match around. But he's burned. A speedy therapist might help.


Regardless, replacing is a better idea. Who are you planning on losing?

She's not here yet, so I haven't asked her. I also have to go to hell...err, I mean an appointment with my therapist in a few minutes, so she might be here when I get back. Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 had strongly suggested that we lose Tyranitar, since Sand Stream doesn't work well with Snorlax.

[sims796]

He is absolutely right on Sandstream & Lax. Unlike Blissey, who had HP to spare, Lax needs the recovery from Leftovers. The sand makes him lose the exact amount of health that Lefties regenerates. Thereby negating it.

[Waker of Chaos]

He is absolutely right on Sandstream & Lax. Unlike Blissey, who had HP to spare, Lax needs the recovery from Leftovers. The sand makes him lose the exact amount of health that Lefties regenerates. Thereby negating it.

If she approves, we could just replace Snorlax with Blissey.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Articuno works too, and also gives you some form of PHazing.

[Waker of Chaos]

Well, she's finally here, and she doesn't want either Blissey or Articuno. She also has no idea who to use in Tyranitar's place.

[Britney Spears]

Why not have her create an account and discuss it herself. O.O It'd be much easier.

[Waker of Chaos]

Why not have her create an account and discuss it herself. O.O It'd be much easier.

Because she'd get banned within a week. She's young and extremely whiny.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Anything that can beat Skarmory would help lol

Something that can beat some of the threats I listed above would suffice, I'm too lazy/tired to really check and test my brain today...

[Waker of Chaos]

Anything that can beat Skarmory would help lol

Something that can beat some of the threats I listed above would suffice, I'm too lazy/tired to really check and test my brain today...

Electivire's Thunderbolt should work, right?

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Preferably something that can also beat Gengar, who massacres you.

The thought of Raikou...hmm...subs up before taking sleep, outspeeds and kills it in a turn or two. And beats Skarm of course.

[Waker of Chaos]

Preferably something that can also beat Gengar, who massacres you.

The thought of Raikou...hmm...subs up before taking sleep, outspeeds and kills it in a turn or two. And beats Skarm of course.

Well, she doesn't want Electivire, and she doesn't want Raikou... She thought of Infernape, though. Would that work? She also mentioned Tauros and Pinsir.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Well, she doesn't want Electivire, and she doesn't want Raikou... She thought of Infernape, though. Would that work? She also mentioned Tauros and Pinsir.

Gengar will still destroy you with Infernape...and Tauros is countered by Skarmory so insanely well...as is Pinsir...

[Waker of Chaos]

Gengar will still destroy you with Infernape...and Tauros is countered by Skarmory so insanely well...as is Pinsir...

She also mentioned Magmortar, but that's too slow... What does that leave us?

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

She also mentioned Magmortar, but that's too slow... What does that leave us?

Not much...your friend is limiting herself/himself too much here. If no good options are going to be considered, this team will have to be blown up and started again.

Really, this team is pretty stallable.

[Waker of Chaos]

Not much...your friend is limiting herself/himself too much here. If no good options are going to be considered, this team will have to be blown up and started again.

Really, this team is pretty stallable.

All right, I'll just let this thread die, then.

[sims796]

Sorry to bump this.

I msut say, that Tauros isn't bad, just walled. If you have a Skarmory counter, it works very well. Like Weavile, it too is countered by Skarm, but is still viable.

Still, Anti is right. Tauros won't really help. Sorry if I didn't help much, but I didn't want you to get the wrong idea.