shoddy battle team

[EPIC PHAILURE]

rate away, needs lots of work I think...

Crobat (♂) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 40 HP/252 Atk/218 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
- U-turn
- Whirlwind
- Substitute
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Poliwrath (♂) @ Salac Berry
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 Atk/6 Def/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Belly Drum
- Waterfall
- Substitute
- Brick Break
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Cloyster (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Shell Armor
EVs: 252 HP/120 Atk/110 Def/4 Spd/24 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Explosion
- Avalanche
- Spikes
- Toxic Spikes
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Houndoom (♂) @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Dark Pulse
- Nasty Plot
- Fire Blast
- Substitute
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Sceptile (♂) @ Petaya Berry
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Energy Ball
- Substitute
- Leech Seed
- Hidden Power [Ice]
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Bastiodon (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/60 Def/196 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
- Metal Burst
- Toxic
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[evilcheese]

rate away, needs lots of work I think...

Crobat (♂) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 40 HP/252 Atk/218 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
- U-turn
- Whirlwind
- Substitute

looks good. although you might need to get a second opinion
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Poliwrath (♂) @ Salac Berry
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 Atk/6 Def/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Belly Drum
- Waterfall
- Substitute
- Brick Break

looks ok
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Cloyster (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Shell Armor
EVs: 252 HP/120 Atk/136 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Explosion
- Avalanche
- Spikes
- rapid spin
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Houndoom (♂) @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Dark Pulse
- Nasty Plot
- Fire Blast
- Substitute

looks good
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Sceptile (♂) @ Petaya Berry
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Energy Ball
- Substitute
- Leech Seed
- Hidden Power [Ice]

dont know about the item
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Bastiodon (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/ 6 Atk
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
- Metal Burst/curse
- stone edge

earthquake is a pain
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changes in bold. this team lacks a special wall and a cleric

[Dark_Azelf]

Bastiodon is awful as a wall, seriously it dies to 3 common types, Water, Fighting and Ground, which means the most common move in the game earthquake and Cloyster also dies to fighting. Also your entire team get destroyed by Heracross unfortunately. Maybe get something to stop that such as weezing or Gliscor and get a good special wall for goodness sake, Bastiodon is not a good sp. wall.

[shedinjask]

Bastiodon does not die to water.

I'd replace Cloyster with Light Screen Claydol, and Bastiodon with Weezing.

[Dark_Azelf]

Bastiodon does not die to water.

I'd replace Cloyster with Light Screen Claydol, and Bastiodon with Weezing.

Why ? its rock aswell. Which means it dies to water, in turn doing squat with its poor attack and getting surfed over and over again.

[EPIC PHAILURE]

how is my team destroyed by heracross when crobat lols at megahorn and close combat and ohkos hera with brave bird
bastiodon's fighting and ground weaknesses are covered by crobat, also bastiodon can use metal burst when I predict surf
I'll consider spin on cloyster...

[sims796]

how is my team destroyed by heracross when crobat lols at megahorn and close combat and ohkos hera with brave bird
bastiodon's fighting and ground weaknesses are covered by crobat, also bastiodon can use metal burst when I predict surf
I'll consider spin on cloyster...

First off, Hera also uses Stone Edge, ruining Crobat.

Second, just because Crobat resist fighting moves, doesn't mean he can survive them. Crobat is not a wall. While I'm at it, your threat isn't a Fighting type or a Ground type, it's fighting & ground type MOVES. What will you do when Electrivire comes out?

Lastly, Metal Burst is useless if you cannot SURVIVE the Surf. Metalm Burst won't help you survive.

[Dark_Azelf]

how is my team destroyed by heracross when crobat lols at megahorn and close combat and ohkos hera with brave bird
bastiodon's fighting and ground weaknesses are covered by crobat, also bastiodon can use metal burst when I predict surf
I'll consider spin on cloyster...

Heracross has Stone Edge and if you switch Crobat into it its dead, any smart player would predict that you will switch it in.


So tell me, what is bastiodon when it comes up against a Taunt Gyarados with Waterfall ?

Also Timid Choice Specs Starmie does

Defender HP: 324
Damage: 298 - 351
Damage: 91.98% - 108.33%

To your Careful 252 hp / 196 sp.def Bastiodon with Hydro pump, thats not the sort of damage you take and call yourself "a wall". if you actually survive and metal burst it back, your sp.wall is wrecked. Also if you switch in on some spikes its a ohko.

[Syaoran]

A smart player would also predict if he'll be using Stone Edge and keep his Bastiodon in. Not every team needs a Weezing / Gliscor to deal with Heracross.

I would suggest giving a more defensive build as it 1HKOs many of the common threats anyway with Brave Bird (Infernape, Heracross, Breloom). Lum berry is excellent against scarfed sleep inducers (usually the dreaded Roserade).

Crobat (♂) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Atk / 218 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
- U-turn
- Taunt
- Roost

Belly Drum Poliwrath sounds good but in the current metagame there are so many revenge killers that will outspeed him even after a salac boost, so I would recommend a more standard Focus Punch set.

Poliwrath (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
Adamant nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Ice Punch / Waterfall
- Hypnosis / Waterfall

Sceptile and Houndoom seem ok. I don't get Cloyster and Bastiodon, it doesn't look like a stall team.

[Dark_Azelf]

A smart player would also predict if he'll be using Stone Edge and keep his Bastiodon in. Not every team needs a Weezing / Gliscor to deal with Heracross.

I would suggest giving a more defensive build as it 1HKOs many of the common threats anyway with Brave Bird (Infernape, Heracross, Breloom). Lum berry is excellent against scarfed sleep inducers (usually the dreaded Roserade).

Crobat (♂) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Atk / 218 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
- U-turn
- Taunt
- Roost

Belly Drum Poliwrath sounds good but in the current metagame there are so many revenge killers that will outspeed him even after a salac boost, so I would recommend a more standard Focus Punch set.

Poliwrath (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
Adamant nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Ice Punch / Waterfall
- Hypnosis / Waterfall

Sceptile and Houndoom seem ok. I don't get Cloyster and Bastiodon, it doesn't look like a stall team.

And if he keeps Bastiodon in whats it gonna do to hera ?.

Its not just Heracross though, its Electivire, your two prime walls cant cope with it, much less the rest of the team.

[EPIC PHAILURE]

Crobat (♂) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Atk / 218 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
- U-turn
- Taunt
- Roost

I'm going to try this, thanks.

also I dont use cloyster only for spiking but also for taking out something like gyara with explosion.
I thought the only ones that will outspeed poliwrath after salac boost are +speed jolteon, crobat, aerodactyl, electrode and ninjask, but I'll consider focus punch, thank you Syaoran.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Cloyster needs special defense EVs (no, that wasn't a typo). You'd be amazed at how much some SDef will help its survivability.

EDIT: Vire does murder this team though, as does heracross, scarf or CB.

[Syaoran]

Well I guess Cloyster is fine, Bastiodon is completely out of place tho. You should consider a pokemon who takes hits well, and a ground type, maybe Swampert - in case Cloyster dies and you need to take out dragons. Mixpert ftw.

Swampert (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 212 Def / 56 Sp.Atk
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake
- Surf
- Stealth Rock / Toxic / Roar

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Rest is nice on mixpert too :P

Bastiodon needs to be replaced with something like Dusknoir, since it actually stands a chance against heracross. Watch out for WoWing it (guts FTL) and pursuit/night slash.

[Samson]

sub + lum berry? umm eww. give the guy roost and taunt already.

if you want belly drum to work, use poliwhirl. it's more suited to outrun threats w/ berry boost. replace brick break for rock slide. water + rock has much better coverage.

the sp def on cloyster is pointless. without max sp def + a beneficial nature, it's not going to be taking special hits any better. just stick with hp + atk evs.

your only reliable blissey counter is poliwrath, and he gets taken out by physical walls if he doesn't have damp to prevent them from exploding in his face.

all bastiodon can do really is switch in on draco meteor/outrage and roar switch-ins that are damaged by stealth rock/spikes. toxic spikes is pretty much pointless if your pokemon can't even stall. i suggest you go with this for bastiodon's moveset: Substitute/Protect/Roar/xxx. the last slot could be taunt or stealth rock. with this moveset, it can set a sub, protect when something tries to damage it and continue to protect itself until toxic spikes takes its toll on the opponents. if they try to set up, then roar them away. if it's a staller, taunt them and bring in the right counter.

[shedinjask]

Weak to something != dies to it. Bastiodon can take Water attacks thanks to sexcellent defenses.

Second, just because Crobat resist fighting moves, doesn't mean he can survive them.

A 4x resist goes a long way. Gengar can take Megahorns. Ariados can take Close Combats. Crobat can take both.

[Dark_Azelf]

Weak to something != dies to it. Bastiodon can take Water attacks thanks to sexcellent defenses.



A 4x resist goes a long way. Gengar can take Megahorns. Ariados can take Close Combats. Crobat can take both.

But a predicted stone edge wrecks Ariados, Gengar and Crobat.

Surf from Timid non specs Starmie 2hkos Bastiodon. Hydro pump from modest standard specs star OHkos it, Specs mence's Hydro pump 2hko's it, Milotic 2hkos it, Kingdra 2hkos it, specs Kingdra ohkos it, suicune rapes it as does ludicolo and empoleon and even Octillery and Omastar owns it, i could go on, so no it cant take water attacks to save its life, dont even say "metal burst it back" thats not exactly walling is it ??. Aura Spheres Focus Blasts, Earthpowers all special moves and all own it and it calls itself a special wall ??. OHKO's and 2hko is not a wall its a failure, its just got too poor a typing to be a wall. Just because it has great defenses it doesn't make it a good wall, walls must have good typing and resistances aswell, something Bastiodon doesnt have. Its the same typing as Aggron, would you ever use that as a physical wall because it has good defense ? No. Fighting ,water and Ground moves still rip it a new one, in fact a new 3 regardless of its defenses.

[Towlie]

But a predicted stone edge wrecks Ariados, Gengar and Crobat.

Surf from Timid non specs Starmie 2hkos Bastiodon. Hydro pump from modest standard specs star OHkos it, Specs mence's Hydro pump 2hko's it, Milotic 2hkos it, Kingdra 2hkos it, specs Kingdra ohkos it, suicune rapes it as does ludicolo and empoleon and even Octillery and Omastar owns it, i could go on, so no it cant take water attacks to save its life, dont even say "metal burst it back" thats not exactly walling is it ??. Aura Spheres Focus Blasts, Earthpowers all special moves and all own it and it calls itself a special wall ??. OHKO's and 2hko is not a wall its a failure, its just got too poor a typing to be a wall. Just because it has great defenses it doesn't make it a good wall, walls must have good typing and resistances aswell, something Bastiodon doesnt have. Its the same typing as Aggron, would you ever use that as a physical wall because it has good defense ? No. Fighting ,water and Ground moves still rip it a new one, in fact a new 3 regardless of its defenses.
The person using Heracross isn't the only one who can make predictions. Seriously. If you make a wrong prediction, you can easily get set up on. For example: Heracross switches into Sceptile. Sceptile switches to Bastiodon to take barely anything from Megahorn. Bastiodon knows Heracross is going to switch, so he proceeds to getting a free Stealth Rock in, or even Toxic the incoming pokemon. And yes, Crobat is a Hera counter. Pokemon that aren't normally walls can counter Heracross. A double resist to both of Heracross' STAB attacks is pretty nice to have. Even if Hera does predict right and Stone Edge on a Crobat Switch, there's no possibility of a miss?

[Dark_Azelf]

The person using Heracross isn't the only one who can make predictions. Seriously. If you make a wrong prediction, you can easily get set up on. For example: Heracross switches into Sceptile. Sceptile switches to Bastiodon to take barely anything from Megahorn. Bastiodon knows Heracross is going to switch, so he proceeds to getting a free Stealth Rock in, or even Toxic the incoming pokemon. And yes, Crobat is a Hera counter. Pokemon that aren't normally walls can counter Heracross. A double resist to both of Heracross' STAB attacks is pretty nice to have. Even if Hera does predict right and Stone Edge on a Crobat Switch, there's no possibility of a miss?

A definition of a counter is something that can switch in safely to, which Crobat unfortunately cannot do on a Stone Edge, thats what i was getting at.You shouldnt rely on a 20% chance that Stone Edge will miss said Crobat.

Also why would you megahorn Sceptile when you full well know that they pack a Bastiodon and a Crobat ?


Its not just Hera, its Electivire, if it was just Heracross it wouldnt be so bad.

EDIT: like Previously said Dusknoir would fit in here well.

[shedinjask]

Wow, that much? I could've sworn Bastiodon had better defenses than that. Maybe I was thinking of Probopass.

Yeah, definately Probopass. Modest Specs Starmie's Hydro Pump isn't a OHKO. Sometimes. Go Probopass!

Also why would you megahorn Sceptile when you full well know that they pack a Bastiodon and a Crobat ?

Overprediction? It's like Primeape fitting in UU: No solid counter, but the wide selection of counters to one or two moves makes it counterable. As long as you're good at prediction, you're fine.

Crobat will survive Adamant Scarfcross Stone Edge most of the time, but it fails if hit by SR. 88 HP EVs guarentees survival at full health; since it's Scarfross you won't outspeed to KO or Roost but it's handy if you make a mistake and can live with around 3 HP. Either way you're going to need Roost if it's taking CB Megahorns.

[Rukario1]

Your Team is CM Raikou weak . After it sets up its very hard to stop it.

[sims796]

Wow, that much? I could've sworn Bastiodon had better defenses than that. Maybe I was thinking of Probopass.

Yeah, definately Probopass. Modest Specs Starmie's Hydro Pump isn't a OHKO. Sometimes. Go Probopass!



Overprediction? It's like Primeape fitting in UU: No solid counter, but the wide selection of counters to one or two moves makes it counterable. As long as you're good at prediction, you're fine.

Crobat will survive Adamant Scarfcross Stone Edge most of the time, but it fails if hit by SR. 88 HP EVs guarentees survival at full health; since it's Scarfross you won't outspeed to KO or Roost but it's handy if you make a mistake and can live with around 3 HP. Either way you're going to need Roost if it's taking CB Megahorns.

Wait WTF? For the sake of arguement, I compared what an Adamant Max ATK Hera's Stone Edge will do to a max DEF Crobat.

Min=196.00

All I need is min.

Please guys, Crobat is not meant to take hits for the team. That doesn't even sound right when said out loud. If CROBAT is trying to take the hits that a WALL cannot, then there's a problem with the team. If the wall is suspectible to an 2/OHKO, but it can't really fight back, there's a problem.

[EPIC PHAILURE]

well its all about prediction. Like Syaoran said, not every team needs a gliscor or weezing to deal with hera. When I predict CC or megahorn, I switch to crobat taking about 30% damage and KO it. Also starmie is more often used as a spinner with more defensive spread, so bastiodon takes about 40% damage from surf and ohkos with metal burst(happened three times today...). Or I can switch to sceptile and destroy starmie with energy ball. Every team is weak if the trainer doesn't predict well. And you are right, vire actually does murder my team <_<

[sims796]

well its all about prediction. Like Syaoran said, not every team needs a gliscor or weezing to deal with hera. When I predict CC or megahorn, I switch to crobat taking about 30% damage and KO it. Also starmie is more often used as a spinner with more defensive spread, so bastiodon takes about 40% damage from surf and ohkos with metal burst(happened three times today...). Or I can switch to sceptile and destroy starmie with energy ball. Every team is weak if the trainer doesn't predict well. And you are right, vire actually does murder my team <_<

That doesn't cover your weaknesses. Not prediction alone. You must take into account that your opponent can also predict.

Also, that must've been some shabby Starmie. When you switch to Sceptile, I can switch to Mence, & eat up Energy Ball. Then, while you switch again, I'll use Dragon Dance, ruining your next wall.

Get it? You shouldn't need to rely on switching so much. That will eventually cause your downfall. Prediction can only go so far.


EDIT: I ran some calculations. A maxed EV'ed, Modest Starmie's Surf on a Max EV'ed, Calm Bastidon.

Min:167.29

All I need is min.

There is a bigger chance that you're Bastidon has even LESS SP.DEF than the one I used for this example, which had the very max.

If THAT can't survive, then your Bas surely won't.

[El Gofre]

Nice team, but Ive found that if you're running offensive moves on bastiodon you need to give him curse. I was also going to sugeest you need more defense EVs to cope with the ever-common EQ, but cursing would also cover that.

[ultranerd57]

well its all about prediction. Like Syaoran said, not every team needs a gliscor or weezing to deal with hera. When I predict CC or megahorn, I switch to crobat taking about 30% damage and KO it. Also starmie is more often used as a spinner with more defensive spread, so bastiodon takes about 40% damage from surf and ohkos with metal burst(happened three times today...). Or I can switch to sceptile and destroy starmie with energy ball. Every team is weak if the trainer doesn't predict well. And you are right, vire actually does murder my team <_<

Actually its common to see both CS Starmie and RS Starmie. And who in their right mind would keep Starmie in on Sceptile when its faster than you bring in Crobat and 4x resist his Energy ball.

[Dark_Azelf]

Actually its common to see both CS Starmie and RS Starmie. And who in their right mind would keep Starmie in on Sceptile when its faster than you bring in Crobat and 4x resist his Energy ball.

Im sure Sceptile is faster than Starmie.

*Goes to check Serebii*

Yeah sceptile max speed is 372 and starmies is 361 and people usually run Modest on specs star aswell. Unless "CS" means choice scarf starmie and in which case yeah Starmie would be faster than Sceptile.

[Samson]

but you guys have to be realistic. starmies rarely ever have modest nature and choice specs.

if you guys are trying to get him to ditch his bastiodon, it's not going to happen. but epic, i'm very disappointed you didn't even read my post ._.

also, i just noticed you have no defense against agiligross. shame =/ your team is able to take out electivire considering you have no electric moves to make use of its ability, but once metagross doubles its speed against this team, you're pretty much screwed.

cloyster will be able to take a hit from gross, but none of its moves hurt him. maybe you should consider CB + payback so it can do some revenge damage and then attempt to finish it off with u-turns from crobat. it's a long shot tho.

[shedinjask]

Wait WTF? For the sake of arguement, I compared what an Adamant Max ATK Hera's Stone Edge will do to a max DEF Crobat.

Min=196.00

All I need is min.


Seriously? I got 87.85% - 103.43% from max Attk Adamant Hera's Stone Edge to 40 HP Crobat. What calculator are you using?

Crobat can take some hits, but if you want it to be semi-effective give it 252 HP and Roost.

If you must use a Steel/Rock, use Probopass. And try bulky!Zapdos over Houndoom.

Also, that must've been some shabby Starmie. When you switch to Sceptile, I can switch to Mence, & eat up Energy Ball. Then, while you switch again, I'll use Dragon Dance, ruining your next wall.

Except Sceppy is faster and knows HP Ice.

[sims796]

Psypokes.

Even if, with only 85 Base Def, against a super effective 125 base ATK, my calculations seemss more sound. ONLY 87.85% doesn't sound right.

[shedinjask]

Lol Psypokes? I wouldn't trust precise damage calculations to a site that still has Salamence listed in their dex as learning Belly Drum. Try Metalkid's (http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/OnlineProgram/Calculators/DamageDP.aspx).

[Dark_Azelf]

but you guys have to be realistic. starmies rarely ever have modest nature and choice specs.


Modest specs star is standard and very common, it doesnt need to outrun Gengar like its Rapid Spinning cousin, and its base sp.att is good but not the best and needs as much power as it can get, hence why you see modest on specs mence and Adamant on Choice Band Heracross etc, it looses alot of power with a + speed nature it doesnt necessarily need and Tyranitar who, thanks to the Special Defense boost granted to it by Sandstream, will never be OHKOed by a MODEST 328 SpA Choice Specs Surf even at its standard 342HP/236Sp.Def (4EVs/min)(Surf will do 83-98%), since its SpD is actually effectively 354.If Modest cant guarantee a ohko Timid definately isnt, however if T-Tar takes residual damage it is ohkod by Modest and not timid, this is why modest is preferred and why you see more and more starmie packing Hydro pump just for T-Tar.If you dont run modest your left to the mercy of Revenge kills with Pursuit and Crunch.

[Samson]

i didn't say specs/modest starmie wasn't viable. i was saying it's not common. it's not that big of an argument to try to get this guy to get rid of that crappy bastiodon.

i use specs starmie myself and i much prefer it to the ACTUAL standard, that being timid, speed variations of starmie.

[EPIC PHAILURE]

actually I dont need "that crappy bastiodon" that much, I picked him for stealth rock. His weaknesses are covered by crobat so he seems a good choice to me, though. But I'm going to find something to replace him - maybe claydol with stealth rock and spin?

[sims796]

Better. But keep looking-keep your options open.

As I said, if Crobat is taking hits for your team that your WALL cannot, there is a problem. Especially popular moves like EQ & Close Combat.

[shedinjask]

Light Screen Claydol is a good team player. Be sure to run Ice Beam, it really helps for dragons who are like 'lolfreesetup'.

[Rukario1]

Lol , Hera Stone Edge did 196 Min because it was against a Max Def Crobat.

[shedinjask]

Nope. It was a 40 HP no Def neutral Crobat. Try it yourself.

[Kayashi]

actually I dont need "that crappy bastiodon" that much, I picked him for stealth rock. His weaknesses are covered by crobat so he seems a good choice to me, though. But I'm going to find something to replace him - maybe claydol with stealth rock and spin?
you need Taunt on Bastardon Bastiodon to make it work =x

guh err ee aah ooohh... u need a Baton Passer or a special wall.

And also get rid of Toxic Spikes on Cloyster. It would activate a lot of pokemon's abilities like Heracross and Machamp's Guts and Milotic's Marvel Scale. T.T And Aromatherapy from Blissey ruins it.

[Rukario1]

Seriously Bastiodon is not really a good option in your team because it lets Gyara set up too easily .

[shedinjask]

Toxic Spikes are ok. And Blissey's Aromatherapy doesn't ruin it. As soon as anything is switched in again it's poisoned.

[ultranerd57]

Toxic Spikes are ok. And Blissey's Aromatherapy doesn't ruin it. As soon as anything is switched in again it's poisoned.

Toxic spikes aren't too good though they let Hera come in for a free Guts boost.

[EPIC PHAILURE]

Toxic spikes aren't too good though they let Hera come in for a free Guts boost.
Crobat takes care of him if he doesn't use stone edge anyway

replaced bastiodon for this

Claydol @ Light Clay
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/6 Spd/96 SAtk/156 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Reflect
- Ice Beam
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock
takes special hits well and sets up reflect for the team

replaced cloyster for:

Drapion @ Leftovers
Ability: Battle Armor
EVs: 252 HP/58 Atk/200 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Knock Off
- Whirlwind
- Toxic Spikes
- Crunch
this works even better than cloyster because he can phaze and knock off
im open for any suggestions

[.........]

Crobat takes care of him if he doesn't use stone edge anyway Why wouldn't he use Stone Edge? If they predict you're gonna switch Crobat in, anyway, they're obviously not going to send in Heracross, but a counter for Crobat. Crobat gets Walled easy, because he's not really considered a Sweeper with 90 base Attack. :/ You need to have both a great Speed AND Attack.

replaced bastiodon for this

Claydol @ Light Clay
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/6 Spd/96 SAtk/156 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Reflect
- Ice Beam
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock
takes special hits well and sets up reflect for the team Good. Use Rest over SR.

replaced cloyster for:

Drapion @ Leftovers
Ability: Battle Armor
EVs: 252 HP/58 Atk/200 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Knock Off
- Whirlwind
- Toxic Spikes
- Crunch
this works even better than cloyster because he can phaze and knock off
im open for any suggestions Get rid of Toxic Spikes, too icky. Looks pretty nice. Consult Earthquake for a move over Toxic Spikes. Gets rid of Steels, because you may want to back up Crobat on that one. It has the same base attack as Crobat, unfortunately, so you may want Swords Dance over something. Can set up pretty well with his Defense. Make sure you have good prediction, because you may want to do it while they switch. Free Move on the switch is always nice.

Comments in Bold. Starmie with Psychic, Surf/Ice Beam, and Thunderbolt/Ice Beam, which we all know Starmie carries with it, sometimes Grass Knot over Psychic, but I don't see that one too much anyways, does murder you.