are these usable?

[evilcheese]

Turtwig lvl10 - #387 (Adamant)
HP: 20 - 23
Att: 14 - 19
Def: 31
SpA: 30 - 31
SpD: 13 - 19
Speed: 8 - 15

or

Turtwig - lvl9 #387 (Brave)
HP: 30 - 31
Att: 9 - 19
Def: 28 - 31
SpA: 31
SpD: 13 - 23
Speed: 0 - 15

Pineco - lvl10 #204 (Impish)
HP: 30 - 31
Att: 4 - 9
Def: 31
SpA: 20 - 29
SpD: 0 - 9
Speed: 30 - 31

or

Pineco - lvl12 #204 (Relaxed)
HP: 17 - 24
Att: 12 - 19
Def: 31
SpA: 30 - 31
SpD: 5 - 13
Speed: 29 - 31

i am planning on using these for their movsets

fortress @leftovers
relaxed /impish
sturdy
252 HP /196 Def /60 Atk
-earthquake
-zap cannon
-spikes
-rapid spin
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Torterra @ Leftovers
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Atk / 128 Def
Adamant / Brave Nature
- Roar
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Wood Hammer / Stone Edge


might need a second opinion on the evs

[Dark_Azelf]

Turtwig lvl10 - #387 (Adamant)
HP: 20 - 23
Att: 14 - 19
Def: 31
SpA: 30 - 31
SpD: 13 - 19
Speed: 8 - 15

This needs alot more attack and sp.def aswell as maybe a little more hp.

or

Turtwig - lvl9 #387 (Brave)
HP: 30 - 31
Att: 9 - 19
Def: 28 - 31
SpA: 31
SpD: 13 - 23
Speed: 0 - 15

Again needs more Attack and sp.def

Pineco - lvl10 #204 (Impish)
HP: 30 - 31
Att: 4 - 9
Def: 31
SpA: 20 - 29
SpD: 0 - 9
Speed: 30 - 31

Yep you guessed it, more Attack and sp.def


or

Pineco - lvl12 #204 (Relaxed)
HP: 17 - 24
Att: 12 - 19
Def: 31
SpA: 30 - 31
SpD: 5 - 13
Speed: 29 - 31

More HP, Attack and sp.def

fortress @leftovers
relaxed /impish
sturdy
252 HP /196 Def /60 Atk
-earthquake
-zap cannon
-spikes
-rapid spin

Fine

Torterra @ Leftovers
Trait: Overgrow
EVs:252 HP / 176 DEF / 82 att
Adamant / Brave Nature
- Roar
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Wood Hammer / Stone Edge /leech Seed / Synthisis

128 128 252 EV spreads generally fail.Ask Sims, he knows more about Torterra than i do



might need a second opinion on the evs

Chnges are in boldness. Yeah ask sims about torterra, it might require more defense.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Splitting Forry's EVs isn't the greatest idea in the world. You'll want max HP, 196 Def, and the rest in Atk. However, for each IV you don't have in Def, take 4 EVs from Atk and put them in Def.

[evilcheese]

anti pop that is my set. >.<. and my relaxed forr has max defense.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

anti pop that is my set. >.<. and my relaxed forr has max defense.

I could have sworn it said something different...like, seriously, I thought it said 252 HP / 128 Atk / 128 Def

Dang, I need to get more skleep >.>

EDIT: *sleep*

[evilcheese]

lol, rofl, that was toreteraa.

[snikerz35]

i would get rid of torterra's roar and teach it razor leaf.:D

[Dark_Azelf]

i would get rid of torterra's roar and teach it razor leaf.:D

Razor Leaf sucks and is redundant when you have Wood Hammer.

[evilcheese]

razor leaf is a big no. hes my only phazer plus wood hammer is better

[snikerz35]

how about leaf blade then.

[Dark_Azelf]

how about leaf blade then.

Again redundant due to wood hammer even if it could actually learn it =/

Also look more and stop spamming, he needs roar for phazing.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

how about leaf blade then.

Learn to give good advice. You're only hurting the thread starter.

But it doesn't look like any of those pokemon are usable, except maybe the Pineco if it has the max (24) IVs for HP, otherwise it would be...no.

[evilcheese]

i have another pineco

Pineco - #204 (Impish)
HP: 27 - 31
Att: 2 - 6
Def: 31
SpA: 25 - 29
SpD: 0 - 3
Speed: 28 - 31

i know its attack is lol

[ultranerd57]

i have another pineco

Pineco - #204 (Impish)
HP: 27 - 31
Att: 2 - 6
Def: 31
SpA: 25 - 29
SpD: 0 - 3
Speed: 28 - 31

i know its attack is lol

No it needs to NOT have speed for its Gyro ball and it needs at least some Spdef otherwise it will get murdered faster by special attacks.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

No it needs to NOT have speed for its Gyro ball and it needs at least some Spdef otherwise it will get murdered faster by special attacks.

Not even SDef is the problem but high speed + low Atk is a BAD combination for a gyro user.

[ultranerd57]

Not even SDef is the problem but high speed + low Atk is a BAD combination for a gyro user.

Yeah try not using that last Pineco to breed with otherwise you'll get lots of crap. Try again.

[Arcknight316]

He's not using Gyro, he's using Zap Cannon.

[ultranerd57]

He's not using Gyro, he's using Zap Cannon.

What why would you use that on a Forretress. It has 50 accuracy, unless its double battle paired with a Machamp its going to get you no where.

[.........]

i would get rid of torterra's roar and teach it razor leaf.:D

*Buzzer goes off* Wrong answer!

how about leaf blade then. Check Serebii for the list of moves Torterra can learn. Even then, Wood Hammer owns Leaf Blade in every way.

[Dark_Azelf]

What why would you use that on a Forretress. It has 50 accuracy, unless its double battle paired with a Machamp its going to get you no where.

Its so gyarados doesnt lol at you.

[evilcheese]

yes in my recent battle with sims his gyrados nearly destroyed me. if it wasnt for stone edges 80% accuracy i wouldve lost

[shedinjask]

Zap Cannon is excellent Gyara counter.

The last Pineco is definately the best out of the three. I'd use it as a parent if you have nothing beter.