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PB
January 13th, 2008, 10:30 AM
What are your thoughts and Opions on teenage pregnacy?

Personally it doesnt really both me, because it doesnt effect me.

Virtual Chatot
January 13th, 2008, 10:34 AM
Here's a thought, people need to stop having Premarital sex.

In reality you don't need to have sex, when you have sex outside of marriage you're letting your instincts get the better of you.

PB
January 13th, 2008, 10:36 AM
Yeah, but a lot of teenagers use sex as rebelion againstthier parents and teachers who try to "control" thier life.

Kylie-chan
January 13th, 2008, 10:41 AM
Ugh, this thread is going to deteriorate in... 5, 4, 3, 2, 1... >_>

Anyway, honestly, I don't care. People can screw up their own lives how they want. I have problems with people who are stupid about it, but I have problems with people who are stupid about everything. It's very easy to blame people for having unsafe sex or something, but... mistakes happen. People can do very, very idiotic things, and I don't see why they should just be left in that sort of situation. I'm not going to force my beliefs onto other people, either.

If they want to have sex at that age -- well, you can bet I'm not going to, but they should take precautions, just like everyone should take precautions, and there's no point pointing fingers at people. I'm not going to say keep it or put it up for adoption or abort it. It's the decision for the woman to make, and also the other parties involved. I wish people would take more responsibility for said decisions, but humans are weak in that respect. Sometimes, although prevention would be ideal, all you can do is work on a cure. [Speaking metaphorically.]

It happens; I think society is at a point where we should stop being all horrified by it and accept it as a timeless happening, something we should aim to prevent ideally, but not something we should shun or judge others for. :/ I personally think pro-abstinence education is pretty stupid, as all it does is leave you unprepared.

And then there's rape. She doesn't always CHOOSE for this to happen. And, hey, birth control and other forms of contraception can fail. It's very easy to generalise and give a blanket dismissal, but there are so many possible situations that I don't think one 'universal solution' exists.

ETA: I do think education is the key here. Not lecturing, not moralising, but saying, 'here's how to use a condom; sharing bath water does not make you pregnant; take health checks when commencing sexual activity and practise safe sex to avoid STDs or unwanted pregnancies'. A lot of teenagers are very, very immature and ignorant.

And, even if ignorance is a stupid excuse, applying theories like that to practical situations accomplishes nothing.

*gets off soapbox*

sims796
January 13th, 2008, 10:43 AM
I was hoping that this thread would never get made.

Well, it all goes to teens acting irresposible.

Well, Kyile said it perfectly.

Akio123
January 13th, 2008, 10:52 AM
Alright, while I am not opposed to having premarital sex, I am opposed to having unprotected sex. Just the other day, my friend had a pregnancy scare and three weeks before my other friend did. Even though they know the consequence, they took the risk. I believe that if you have to have sex, atleast use some contraception. I mean albeit the pregnancies there are many other problems that could occur.

Kylie-chan
January 13th, 2008, 10:57 AM
Alright, while I am not opposed to having premarital sex, I am opposed to having unprotected sex. Just the other day, my friend had a pregnancy scare and three weeks before my other friend did. Even though they know the consequence, they took the risk. I believe that if you have to have sex, atleast use some contraception. I mean albeit the pregnancies there are many other problems that could occur.

I agree, but people also need to learn how to use their contraception correctly. None are completely foolproof, but a lot of people are VERY naïve, apathetic, and/or believe whatever urban myth is floating around/it could never happen to THEM.

Akio123
January 13th, 2008, 11:22 AM
I agree, but people also need to learn how to use their contraception correctly. None are completely foolproof, but a lot of people are VERY naïve, apathetic, and/or believe whatever urban myth is floating around/it could never happen to THEM.
Completely true, and the worst part is alot of our friends HAVE had this happen to them and they still insist on not using birth control or condems.

pink-tiger
January 13th, 2008, 11:28 AM
Here's a thought, people need to stop having Premarital sex.

In reality you don't need to have sex, when you have sex outside of marriage you're letting your instincts get the better of you.

Well im with you.Its just that its bad wheny ou get marry and have to tell your husban if your a virgine or what.Also to me, when I see pregnant girls..I loose all respect for them.

22sa
January 13th, 2008, 11:41 AM
Hahahahahahaha! My opinion... they were having fun.

I do dislike the idea of a person sleeping with someone they don't intend to marry intensely though. Like pink said, not being able to give your virginity to the person you marry is really sad.

But the actual person who makes love at a young age, to my experience, isn't half-bad! They are all very charming and loving and that's why they got in bed early, just their choice of partner usually wasn't good enough.

Brad
January 13th, 2008, 11:41 AM
Abortion, abortion, solve all of your problems right there! Kill your baby, and maybe, you won't have a pregnancy scare- to the tune of "Pollution" by Tom Lehrer.

No, not that. I think that people just should wait until marriage. I mean, whats the point of getting stuck with some stupid kid because of 1 one night stand. I mean, who the hell wants to pay child support? I sure don't. Besides, I'm so creul and heartless, no one would ever want me...

Scarlet Weather
January 13th, 2008, 11:54 AM
Well im with you.Its just that its bad wheny ou get marry and have to tell your husban if your a virgine or what.Also to me, when I see pregnant girls..I loose all respect for them.

That's harsh. Really harsh, in fact. To lose respect for someone after one mistake (or a bad decision that degenerated into a whole chain of idiot decisions) isn't entirely right. I wouldn't particularly hold up a pregnant teenager as a role model, but I respect her as a human being and I want to offer her help to the best of my ability. One of my friends is pregnant currently. She baby-sat me and my younger sisters, she's taught me a lot about walking with God, and she's been a huge encouragement. She went to college, hung out with the wrong people, and now she's paying for her mistakes. She's sorry, she knows what she did was wrong, and she thinks that she's failed me and my sisters as a mentor. I respect her still because she understands why what she did was wrong and she wants forgiveness. She's even understood the consequences of her actions and accepted them. To me, that makes her someone to be admired. She's repented, she's been forgiven, she's accepted the consequences of her actions. It's over and done with, simple as that. All that's left to say is "Go thou and sin no more."

My own views on teenage pregnancy stem from my religion and what I know of the Bible. Yes, teenage pregnancy is wrong. Extramarital sex is wrong. There is a reason that precautions need to be taken when performing it: having sex with too many people too early is dangerous. Your life could be changed in an instant. As for abortion as a method of dealing with early pregnancy, it is not a good move. There exists, currently, at least one foundation that was formed to shelter and counsel women who've had abortions and feel that what they've done was wrong. If there wasn't some sort of moral twitch felt when we aborted children, why would a foundation such as this exist? In addition, abortion could be traumatic for children born later. If you knew your parents had an abortion before you were born, wouldn't it send the message that if you too had been conceived before it was convenient, they would have killed you too? Let me make a point by saying that I object to abortion on the grounds that it is truly murder. Babies have hearts before the period at which abortion is legal is expired. They have fingers. They... on second thought, I'll save my discourse on abortion for another thread because if I pick up steam I can completely run over everyone in my path.

Okay, next article on the business list. My views on the whole "safe sex" thing are that there is no such thing. There's always a chance that something will go wrong. Either you do the smart thing and abstain, or you take the risk and accept your consequences. If you do make the wrong decision, you'd better be willing to accept whatever comes after. That includes pregnancy. If you're a Christian, it'll probably include some form of discipline from the elders until you show repentance and true "brokeness of spirit" (i.e., you won't be taking communion/mass until you are saddened by what you've done). Afterwards, you're welcomed back. I don't think someone becomes evil or sub-human in some way after having premarital sex and becoming pregnant, I just think it's a wrong action and will and should involve some form of consequence.

If the pregnancy is a result of a rape, that's another matter. The hard part of this is that I really believe that abortion for any situation is wrong. If you are raped and truly don't want the child, adoption is the only acceptable answer in the eyes of the church. It hurts and you will suffer in ways that I really can't begin to imagine, but it's just going to be another test that you'll have to overcome. It sounds callous when I say it like that, but that's the facts. You can accept them or reject them. Just accept the consequences afterward for whatever decision you make.

Kylie-chan
January 13th, 2008, 12:18 PM
That's harsh. Really harsh, in fact. To lose respect for someone after one mistake (or a bad decision that degenerated into a whole chain of idiot decisions) isn't entirely right. I wouldn't particularly hold up a pregnant teenager as a role model, but I respect her as a human being and I want to offer her help to the best of my ability. One of my friends is pregnant currently. She baby-sat me and my younger sisters, she's taught me a lot about walking with God, and she's been a huge encouragement. She went to college, hung out with the wrong people, and now she's paying for her mistakes. She's sorry, she knows what she did was wrong, and she thinks that she's failed me and my sisters as a mentor. I respect her still because she understands why what she did was wrong and she wants forgiveness. She's even understood the consequences of her actions and accepted them. To me, that makes her someone to be admired. She's repented, she's been forgiven, she's accepted the consequences of her actions. It's over and done with, simple as that. All that's left to say is "Go thou and sin no more."

My own views on teenage pregnancy stem from my religion and what I know of the Bible. Yes, teenage pregnancy is wrong. Extramarital sex is wrong. There is a reason that precautions need to be taken when performing it: having sex with too many people too early is dangerous. Your life could be changed in an instant. As for abortion as a method of dealing with early pregnancy, it is not a good move. There exists, currently, at least one foundation that was formed to shelter and counsel women who've had abortions and feel that what they've done was wrong. If there wasn't some sort of moral twitch felt when we aborted children, why would a foundation such as this exist? In addition, abortion could be traumatic for children born later. If you knew your parents had an abortion before you were born, wouldn't it send the message that if you too had been conceived before it was convenient, they would have killed you too? Let me make a point by saying that I object to abortion on the grounds that it is truly murder. Babies have hearts before the period at which abortion is legal is expired. They have fingers. They... on second thought, I'll save my discourse on abortion for another thread because if I pick up steam I can completely run over everyone in my path.

Okay, next article on the business list. My views on the whole "safe sex" thing are that there is no such thing. There's always a chance that something will go wrong. Either you do the smart thing and abstain, or you take the risk and accept your consequences. If you do make the wrong decision, you'd better be willing to accept whatever comes after. That includes pregnancy. If you're a Christian, it'll probably include some form of discipline from the elders until you show repentance and true "brokeness of spirit" (i.e., you won't be taking communion/mass until you are saddened by what you've done). Afterwards, you're welcomed back. I don't think someone becomes evil or sub-human in some way after having premarital sex and becoming pregnant, I just think it's a wrong action and will and should involve some form of consequence.

If the pregnancy is a result of a rape, that's another matter. The hard part of this is that I really believe that abortion for any situation is wrong. If you are raped and truly don't want the child, adoption is the only acceptable answer in the eyes of the church. It hurts and you will suffer in ways that I really can't begin to imagine, but it's just going to be another test that you'll have to overcome. It sounds callous when I say it like that, but that's the facts. You can accept them or reject them. Just accept the consequences afterward for whatever decision you make.

All actions have consequences.

However, while this is has nothing to do with your personal beliefs, the teachings of the Church aren't fact, because their teachings are religious. I'm honestly not sure if you're saying the views of the Church are fact and law and should be accepted and followed by all, or just stating the views of the Church, to be honest.

But, to me, it seems a case of 'easier said than done'. People deal differently with things, and it's unreasonable to hold them all to one standard. Mistakes happen. People fail those 'tests', if you'd prefer to phrase it that way. It's not just a matter of 'you must overcome it' and one overcomes it.

However, I agree with your point to pink-tiger. I think my posts in this thread have expressed my belief of 'mistakes happen'.

ETA: Sorry, I missed a chunk of your post.

Of course most women feel moral twitches when aborting their foetuses; it isn't a simple act. People seem to believe that it's an easy act, that women just walk into a clinic and abort it rather than wear birth control. I won't continue with the abortion debate, as I, too, have great passion about the subject and will debate it until the end -- however, the abortion debate is always going to be linked with the teenage pregnancy debate. I will refute your paragraph, however, to the best of my ability.

The truth of the matter is that it isn't killing. It's not infanticide. It's aborting a foetus, not killing a baby. Sure, it might traumatise some kids -- that's expected. But, with your reasoning, that's just another test these people have to overcome. It isn't that easy for most people to walk into an abortion clinic and say 'Abort it, NOW'. These foundations exist because some women knee-jerk, or later forget the circumstances they were in and want their baby when they're in a more stable environment, or were even pressured to abortion. Those are just three of the many possibilities. But the existence of those foundations isn't proof that it's wrong, and neither is a moral twitch. Sometimes you just have to suck it up [the moral twitch] and do what you know is right for you. That right is subjective. It's not for other people to decide. If these foundations exist as proof of the immorality of the action, why do pro-choice foundations exist? Why do sites like I'm Not Sorry exist? The answer to this is because that right [i]is subjective, varies from person to person.

I sympathise with any woman who regrets her abortion; I do not think the actions of these women should determine the reproductive rights of another woman. We don't need protecting -- maybe some of us can't make these sorts of decisions rationally, but, in the end, to me, people are always going to have something to regret. Some regrets are bigger regrets than others, but you yourself stated that people must take responsibility for their actions. And that logic applies to the pro-choice argument as well.

Xairmo
January 13th, 2008, 08:31 PM
Well I just think that they should learn to use a friggin condom T.T
Teens shouldnt be having sex until like 19. You dont need to be married, just in love. Yeah cheesy i know but thats what i think.

The Infinite Devil Machine
January 13th, 2008, 08:32 PM
Here's a thought, people need to stop having Premarital sex.

In reality you don't need to have sex, when you have sex outside of marriage you're letting your instincts get the better of you.

That's completely unrealistic. People have urges and desires. Pre-marital sex is sex. One and the same. Teenage Pregnancy happens, these girls need help and support. They don't need to be shunned.

Lady Nicole
January 13th, 2008, 08:33 PM
I do dislike the idea of a person sleeping with someone they don't intend to marry intensely though. Like pink said, not being able to give your virginity to the person you marry is really sad.

I agree with this. Why have sex with someone you don't love and trust to the max? I wouldn't :\

Xairmo
January 13th, 2008, 08:34 PM
That's completely unrealistic. People have urges and desires. Pre-marital sex is sex. One and the same. Teenage Pregnancy happens, these girls need help and support. They don't need to be shunned.
I agree, they know what they did wrong so dont make it worse by shoving it in their face T.T
We all make mistakes people. And like Nightwing said, we all have urges. Some of us can just control their urges better

PunkerThanThou
January 13th, 2008, 08:35 PM
Well I just think that they should learn to use a friggin condom T.T
Teens shouldnt be having sex until like 19. You dont need to be married, just in love. Yeah cheesy i know but thats what i think.
I kind of agree.
I've also done some major thinking about this topic because I'm adopted so I'm kind of the product of what could have been accidental pregnancy. It makes you speculate. A lot.
I think if you want to even consider having sex, you need to know what you're getting yourself into, and whether you're ready for it. If teens actually considered this and took sex seriously, I think all of these teen pregnancies would decrease. I think we also tend to belittle what sex actually is. It's a deep, serious thing that isn't just meant to be given out like candy or whatever. People treat it that way. It's something special that really, probably should be saved until marriage, but that is essentially a different discussion.

Xairmo
January 13th, 2008, 08:38 PM
I kind of agree.
I've also done some major thinking about this topic because I'm adopted so I'm kind of the product of what could have been accidental pregnancy. It makes you speculate. A lot.
I think if you want to even consider having sex, you need to know what you're getting yourself into, and whether you're ready for it. If teens actually considered this and took sex seriously, I think all of these teen pregnancies would decrease. I think we also tend to belittle what sex actually is. It's a deep, serious thing that isn't just meant to be given out like candy or whatever. People treat it that way. It's something special that really, probably should be saved until marriage, but that is essentially a different discussion.
OMG yes! They dont understand that sex isnt just sex. its being so extremely close to someone that you literally let someone inside of you and leave apart of you with them and vice versa.

PunkerThanThou
January 13th, 2008, 08:40 PM
OMG yes! They dont understand that sex isnt just sex. its being so extremely close to someone that you literally let someone inside of you and leave apart of you with them and vice versa.

YES. This is one of the simple reasons I appreciate some religions, because my religion, Judaism, values sex IMMENSELY. It is NOT something to be given out to EXCEPT for your husband/wife. It's an emotional, spiritual, and bonding experience. And I don't think a one day fling adds up to these things, at all, and it aggravates me that this is the maturity level of people my age these days.

Waffle-San
January 13th, 2008, 10:40 PM
As much as you guys are right, and this is what people must learn, there's kind of a war raging here. Just look at the society around us, everyother rap, hip hop, pop, whatever song seems to have direct meaning to sex. Movies are full of people getting laid, rape is on the news on a daily basis, it's losing (if not lost) it's meaning.
In today's day and age, a deep meaningful kiss or just holding hands can (not always, it's not everyone I know that, it just seems that way) be more romantic or a greater sign of love than two people sharing their uh organs? hearts.

It's no wonder there's so many teenage pregnancies and in some cases these people are victims. Victims of many things, and yes they need support not people telling them how stupid they are.

Happy Dude
January 14th, 2008, 02:46 AM
I'm still wondering why Premarital came into this It's a completly different topic.

Not only is teenage pregnancy not safe... It is stupid so many risks with it mental, physical, social aspects.

So I say no not until you are old enough To care for YOURSELF let alone a child.

PunkerThanThou
January 14th, 2008, 05:17 AM
I'm still wondering why Premarital came into this It's a completly different topic.

Not only is teenage pregnancy not safe... It is stupid so many risks with it mental, physical, social aspects.

So I say no not until you are old enough To care for YOURSELF let alone a child.

Because of the following; I'm going to assume most people having sex under the age of 20 are not married. What we are saying is, once you are married, you are actually entrusting your body and everything else to this person, making it MUCH safer, because generally you are above the age 20, and MUCH more mature, so you have a fair idea of whether you actually WANT to get pregnant. There are, of course, exceptions...but everything has exceptions.

Allstories
January 14th, 2008, 05:40 AM
Is there anyone on PC who has ever actually had sex before? I'd be interested to see if/how their opinion would differ to those in this thread.

Marksman
January 14th, 2008, 05:43 AM
Uh...Negative. And I'll try to avoid it until a nice round age say...21-24 just to be on the safe side.

Amachi
January 14th, 2008, 05:46 AM
The truth of the matter is that it isn't killing. It's not infanticide. It's aborting a foetus, not killing a baby.
Your word isn't fact either :)

Anyway, I can't say I feel much sympathy for those teenagers getting pregnant i.e. those that have sex by choice and then get pregnant. Sex is for the conception of children, that is a fact. Society may see it nowadays as a leisure activity (having become desensitised to the act), but when it comes down to bodily functions, sex will lead to the creation of children, (unless prevented by contraceptives, of course).

As ACC-M said, there is no such thing as "safe sex", since even with the use of contraceptives, there is still always the chance that a pregnancy may arise (plus a whole heap of other nasty things 8D). It's a shame that most people don't realise this, but again, knowing what the main purpose of sex is, it makes sense.

I think for a long time now society will look down upon those girls pregnant in their teens. It's just not something particularly accepted, especially when women are bearing children later and later on in their lives, or even not at all. What's odd though is that there are some girls that want to get pregnant during their teens (though sometimes not for the most admirable of reasons). But, if they feel that they can bear the responsibility, then good luck to them - they'll need it.

Kylie-chan
January 14th, 2008, 06:40 PM
That's completely unrealistic. People have urges and desires. Pre-marital sex is sex. One and the same. Teenage Pregnancy happens, these girls need help and support. They don't need to be shunned.

I agree completely. I also think the guys co-responsible for the pregnancy need help and support, incidentally. Dx

I agree with this. Why have sex with someone you don't love and trust to the max? I wouldn't :\

The thing is, not everyone who is pregnant at this age is just having sex with random people. I think I've stated that teenagers are often immature; adolescence is a time of great identity upheaval and hormonal activity, and it is incredibly easy to believe you love someone when you don't. Especially when your hormones are crazy. I don't think self-control is the first thing you can say -- not everyone has self-control.

As much as you guys are right, and this is what people must learn, there's kind of a war raging here. Just look at the society around us, everyother rap, hip hop, pop, whatever song seems to have direct meaning to sex. Movies are full of people getting laid, rape is on the news on a daily basis, it's losing (if not lost) it's meaning.
In today's day and age, a deep meaningful kiss or just holding hands can (not always, it's not everyone I know that, it just seems that way) be more romantic or a greater sign of love than two people sharing their uh organs? hearts.

It's no wonder there's so many teenage pregnancies and in some cases these people are victims. Victims of many things, and yes they need support not people telling them how stupid they are.

See, you're just blaming the media for something that's always been a problem. As society is becoming more liberal, I suppose that people are loosening up about sex practically as well, but teenage pregnancy used to be a lot more taboo. Yet it still happened. Induced abortion, crude methods of birth control... shotgun weddings... None of these are new things. It was just that a lot of people preferred to keep it secret, more than they do these days, anyway. It's not about 'today's day and age' alone. Sure, I'll agree that people are sleeping around more today, but it's happened throughout history.

In fact, while I'm on that point, teenage pregnancy within marriages isn't taboo in some countries, and wasn't always in these. In fact, it's customary in these places. I'm assuming this thread refers to pregnancy caused by sex out of wedlock, though...

I'm still wondering why Premarital came into this It's a completly different topic.

Not only is teenage pregnancy not safe... It is stupid so many risks with it mental, physical, social aspects.

So I say no not until you are old enough To care for YOURSELF let alone a child.

PunkerThanThou said it best, but most teenagers aren't married .

Your word isn't fact either :)

I'm fairly sure the definition of a baby differs from that of a foetus, though.

Anyway, I can't say I feel much sympathy for those teenagers getting pregnant i.e. those that have sex by choice and then get pregnant. Sex is for the conception of children, that is a fact. Society may see it nowadays as a leisure activity (having become desensitised to the act), but when it comes down to bodily functions, sex will lead to the creation of children, (unless prevented by contraceptives, of course).

Sex, contraceptives or infertility or other birth control methods excluded still, will not always lead to the conception of children. I won't argue that sex isn't [i]biologically for making kids, nor will I argue against it, but I don't think that the act should necessarily be considered just baby-making. I don't think that society is so much desensitised, though. Maybe the society we live in has become more desensitised from what it used to be, but texts like [the sexual part] of the Kama Sutra weren't written just recently. Particular ancient civilisations were a lot more liberal about sexuality than many people nowadays. It was appreciated in other senses as a pleasurable activity, and I don't see why that pleasure should be reduced to 'making babies'.

As ACC-M said, there is no such thing as "safe sex", since even with the use of contraceptives, there is still always the chance that a pregnancy may arise (plus a whole heap of other nasty things 8D). It's a shame that most people don't realise this, but again, knowing what the main purpose of sex is, it makes sense.

The term safe sex, at least in my posts -- I won't answer for anyone else, knowing the general intelligence level on PC --, refers to 'safer by comparison'. Even abstinence isn't safe, if you're so inclined to use Biblical stories as an argument [I won't even comment, but, you know], or if you get raped or whatever...

I think for a long time now society will look down upon those girls pregnant in their teens. It's just not something particularly accepted, especially when women are bearing children later and later on in their lives, or even not at all. What's odd though is that there are some girls that want to get pregnant during their teens (though sometimes not for the most admirable of reasons). But, if they feel that they can bear the responsibility, then good luck to them - they'll need it.

Yet, in the recent past, girls were getting pregnant much, much younger. I think it's more the out-of-wedlock aspect... People view it as sleeping around, being trashy, etc.; they just automatically stereotype these women. I agree that society will continue to look down on them, but it seems to me they can't win. One mistake, and if they abort, it's murder, if they put it out for adoption, they're being heartless, and if they keep it, they're making a stupid mistake and relying on their parents/the system/etc. It just doesn't seem fair to me somehow... D:

Is there anyone on PC who has ever actually had sex before? I'd be interested to see if/how their opinion would differ to those in this thread.

Hahahaha. Are you kidding? Of course there isn't. Pointless rhetorical questions...

Amoeba
January 15th, 2008, 02:08 AM
Is there anyone on PC who has ever actually had sex before? I'd be interested to see if/how their opinion would differ to those in this thread.

(note, I'm not going to cover rape because that's out of the girl's control, and not her fault)

Well... yes I have but I'm not sure how that matters? I was going to post yesterday but my opinion was so brief I didn't think it'd be worth it. Ok, I just finished typing it and it's not exactly brief...

Well, of course my opinion on teen pregnancy is pretty simple - it's not good for the teen and not good for the unborn child in question. Unless she's inhereited a lot of money and is going to be pretty cosy, with adults to help her along, she's going to struggle. The baby will not have the best start in life she could have given them if she had concieved a bit later when she is more settled and secure. I don't think teens hould be forbidden to have sex if they really want to, but I do feel sex education is poor at best and being a bit more informed is always an advantage. For example there are times in a woman's cycle when she's far less likely to accidentaly concieve if her protection fails.

I think that as long as they know the possible consequences, and nobody feels under pressure to have sex, then I can't figure out anything wrong with that. Perhaps it would be good to discourage teens, advise them to wait until they're older and tell them why, but tell them its their choice. Some young teens are stubborn and if they're told it's not allowed, they're more likely to do it just because it's not allowed.

The after-morning pill is a tool which should be used sparsely (it is linked to irreversable damage if it's used as a common contraceptive). If a girl is worried because the condom broke the night before, it's better to take a little pill to stop the bunch of cells from even latching in the first place, rather than about a month later have her unborn child sucked out of her, or nine months later be landed wih a child she can't look after.

I understand how people's feelings about love and marriage are different, and I respect anyone's choice to abstain until marriage, whether for personal piece of mind, pride, or for religious purposes. But teen sex is going to happen, it's always happened, young girls have gotten pregnant at young ages since the dawn of time - it's only lately has it become a big deal and a burden, due to our changing lifestyles where it's more of an advantage to brood later in life rather than earlier. That doesn't make it right, but it's a fact of life. All one can do is make it safer for them if they make that choice, and give them the information they need to avoid getting pregnant, and make it CLEAR to them there is no protection which is completely safe.

Emo Kid Cloudé
January 15th, 2008, 10:11 AM
It happens when it happens... There's nothing wrong with it, just use a condom ¬_¬

Simple common sense...

sims796
January 15th, 2008, 10:17 AM
Now of course, it goes to the girl's influences in life. What she's been shown, what she takes in. As well as peer pressure, & all that jazz. But in the core, in it's prime, the only one to blame for this are the parents themselves.

Sure, plenty of teens had all the options presented to them. They know the consequences by now. I won't speak for the teens that don't, as they all should, but I can speak for those who do. They know full well the risk of having sex. They know thhe many dangers, yet they choose to ignore it. They decide for THEMSELVES to go about it.

There is only so much we can say "teen sex is going to happen". Regardless, they have the responsibilty to make sure they take all necessary precautions.

Not having enough self control is not a viable excuse. You can't tell your child that (s)he doesn't have a good life because (s)he was born from me not having self control. There is a level of personal responsibility that goes with it.

And a level of understanding as well.


I think that as long as they know the possible consequences, and nobody feels under pressure to have sex, then I can't figure out anything wrong with that. Perhaps it would be good to discourage teens, advise them to wait until they're older and tell them why, but tell them its their choice. Some young teens are stubborn and if they're told it's not allowed, they're more likely to do it just because it's not allowed.


This is what I mean by responsibility. It's not something to take lightly. That is a VERY adult decision, aand like all adult decision, there are consequences.

As for the bolded part, that also hit me. Premarital sex aside, they must learn that it's not something to do on a whim. As said, it's a grown-up (I don't say grown-up much anymore) choice, and shouldn't be used for rebelion, as the child will suffer in the long run.



I'm not speaking as some ranting judgemental prick. I speak as the youngest brother, with all older brothers & sisters who have been pregnat at a young age. Only one sister (who is a few months older) has not had a child. She is the only one in college, along with me.

Right now, the reason I am waiting till I'm older is because my brother (I meant brother, not brothers) & sisters ALL urged me-no, forced me-to finish school before I made the same mistake they made. They all say the exact same thing. "I wish I had waited". The youngest out of them (besides the one who is a few months older) is JUST starting college. She is 24. She is still struggling to do so with her son, who is 8. She wished she could go earlier, & doean't know how she will make it. But she knows she has my full support. They all know that, & will not hesitate to dump the brats on me for a while. Just as I have no problem helping out. My parents was furious, but she loves em all the same, and will not hesitate to shell out the extra $32,000 to put her through school. She won't watch the kids much, as she is tired from work, but enjoys their company immensly.



So this is not something to take lightly at all. Teen pregnancy not only effects the teen, not only effects the child, but it effects the whole family. Which is why I'm a little less sympathetic than the rest of you. However, I'mm not heartless, as I've seen the effects.

It happens when it happens... There's nothing wrong with it, just use a condom ¬_¬

Simple common sense...

This isn't an "it happens when it happens" kind of thing. You haven't felt what it's like to struggle with a kid at a young age. It's not something to take as lightly as that. When the baby comes, I can tell you, the first thing the mother says isn't "meh, it happens when it happens".

Sex isn't a game. It's not something to take so lightly. It has serious consequences, that must be considered. I'm NOT saying it's wrong, but it IS wrong to do it on a whim.

However, you got one thing straight...

If you ARE gonna do it, make sure you're safe.

mustangGT90210
January 15th, 2008, 03:25 PM
Well, if it's 18 or 19 it doesn't really matter to me. But if they are under 18 it's just wrong and they should have protected themselves!

sims796
January 15th, 2008, 03:48 PM
You're everywhere!

Well, being old enough has it's bearings. I was thinking the same thing.

But it also has much to do with your current situation. Even as an adult, unless you can care for yourself, you ain't caring for a baby.

mustangGT90210
January 15th, 2008, 03:52 PM
You're everywhere!

Well, being old enough has it's bearings. I was thinking the same thing.

But it also has much to do with your current situation. Even as an adult, unless you can care for yourself, you ain't caring for a baby.

I was just putting the age thing on there for the sake of thread and not going into serious detail.

And yes, I'm everywhere. I own Other: Chat boards.

Xairmo
January 15th, 2008, 03:54 PM
As I said before, I think that the meaning of sex is drastically underestimated amongst teens, but the getting pregnant thing isnt what bothers me the most. sure i think they made a mistake and i'll leave them be, but when they decide to get an abortion that just pisses me off. because you maid a mistake you werent ready to live with you decide to kill your potential son or daughter. its just not fair!

sims796
January 15th, 2008, 04:06 PM
That's a different disscusion. My friend was pretty much forced to do so. You must consider thinking of the situation of the teen herself.

Not that you're wrong for thinking that, but you must see it through thier eyes.

When I wen't with her, there were many protesters. However, they were all men. As men, we have no right (execpt for family & fathers themselves) to dare tell women what to do with their bodies. This is me, however.

Xairmo
January 15th, 2008, 04:09 PM
They should live with there mistake, thats just the way I see it. I do feel sympathy for them for what they will go threw, but I just dont believe in abortion

sims796
January 15th, 2008, 04:15 PM
Meh. That's respectable.

However, those old arse protesters got on my nerves. How dare they try to call those girls monsters. THEY cannot get pregnat. So THEY have no say.

Razer302
January 16th, 2008, 07:29 AM
My mum had me when she was 17 and my dad was 19. My mum had help from her family. (My dad was always drunk). It wasn't a planned pregnancy. But my mum and dad stayed together.My mum is now highly paid. She has not really regretted having me. It did give her some difficulties with school. But she went and got a job and has been successful with her life. Not all teenage pregnancies are a bad thing. Sometimes and can work out for the better. It can depend on how motivated the mother is and whether the farther is interest.

My father was never interested. He never went to any of the scans or anything. He was normally drinking. Most of the money that my mum earned went on my dads drink.

But eventually that all got sorted and my dad grew up. A little bit and cut out going out with his friends. Which he now uses against me for ruining his life.

I don't find teenage pregnancy a bad thing as long as it hasn't happened as like a one-night stand. Sex should happen after a lengthy amount of time and not after just a few dates. It should be taken time over.

sims796
January 16th, 2008, 10:27 AM
Ah, but regardless on how it may have turned out, it could have been so much better if she was able to help herself a bit better.

I'm not saying teenage pregnancies can't turn out good, but it's kinda similar to dropping out of school. Sure, you may get lucky with a good life, but we can't all count on getting lucky, know what I mean? None of us regrets my nieces & nephews. But they would have been better off if their parents were able to take better care.

Then again, we can't be too sure. We can't see how that alternative path would have been.

Dawson
January 16th, 2008, 01:22 PM
Here's a thought, people need to stop having Premarital sex.

In reality you don't need to have sex, when you have sex outside of marriage you're letting your instincts get the better of you.
You don't need to eat junk food. You don't needto have a computer. You don't need to own expensive clothes. You don't need a mobile phone. You don't need most things in your life.

But that's completely irrelevant. The human race is advanced enough to not have to spend their life dedicated to making sure they get what they need to survive, like animals do. People act on what gives them pleasure and makes them happy, or will make them happy. Yeah, we don't need to have sex, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to.

Your comment was rather narrow minded. What about people that don't want to get married? Are they supposed to be eternal virgins? Not everybody has religious beliefs like that, so why should they not be able to have sex if it's what they wish to do?

Some people need to face reality. It's 2008, and sex is as much a part of modern youth culture as anything else. We're all educated at school from a relatively early age about the ins and outs, no pun intended, of sex, and all the risks involved. We all know about contraception, we all know about STDs and the risk of pregnancy involved in having unprotected sex. So people have enough knowledge about it to be able to decide whether or not they want to have sex, and can then act accordingly.

There's only one problem with that, though. People are stupid. You can give them all the information in the world, but you can't make them intelligent or sensible. So if they choose to be idiotic enough to risk the consequences of unprotected sex, more fool them.

I don't see anything wrong with teenage sex. Afterall, if there was a problem with it, the age of consent would be 20+, would it not? But it's 16 here, and a lot of other places, and I think 18 is the highest. Sex is just as much about the pleasure and passion of being with someone you're attracted to as it is about symbolising your love to a spouse. If it wasn't, sex wouldn't have been made so pleasurable.

I love this kind of topic coming up on PC, since the majority of people, who are usually under the age of 15, always respond in the same way. It's funny how sheltered a life a lot of members here have.

Xairmo
January 16th, 2008, 01:25 PM
You don't need to eat junk food. You don't needto have a computer. You don't need to own expensive clothes. You don't need a mobile phone. You don't need most things in your life.

But that's completely irrelevant. The human race is advanced enough to not have to spend their life dedicated to making sure they get what they need to survive, like animals do. People act on what gives them pleasure and makes them happy, or will make them happy. Yeah, we don't need to have sex, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to.

Your comment was rather narrow minded. What about people that don't want to get married? Are they supposed to be eternal virgins? Not everybody has religious beliefs like that, so why should they not be able to have sex if it's what they wish to do?

Some people need to face reality. It's 2008, and sex is as much a part of modern youth culture as anything else. We're all educated at school from a relatively early age about the ins and outs, no pun intended, of sex, and all the risks involved. We all know about contraception, we all know about STDs and the risk of pregnancy involved in having unprotected sex. So people have enough knowledge about it to be able to decide whether or not they want to have sex, and can then act accordingly.

There's only one problem with that, though. People are stupid. You can give them all the information in the world, but you can't make them intelligent or sensible. So if they choose to be idiotic enough to risk the consequences of unprotected sex, more fool them.

I don't see anything wrong with teenage sex. Afterall, if there was a problem with it, the age of consent would be 20+, would it not? But it's 16 here, and a lot of other places, and I think 18 is the highest. Sex is just as much about the pleasure and passion of being with someone you're attracted to as it is about symbolising your love to a spouse. If it wasn't, sex wouldn't have been made so pleasurable.

I love this kind of topic coming up on PC, since the majority of people, who are usually under the age of 15, always respond in the same way. It's funny how sheltered a life a lot of members here have.
Um I think we do need to have sex, if we didnt then our species would dies off. We only need to have sex to repopulate, but you dont need to have sex for the hell of it

Thebiggamer
January 16th, 2008, 01:42 PM
He meant on an individual level we don't have to have sex, 50% of the human population could go their entire lives without sex and overal as a species we wouldn't be hurt very much

sims796
January 16th, 2008, 02:53 PM
I love this kind of topic coming up on PC, since the majority of people, who are usually under the age of 15, always respond in the same way. It's funny how sheltered a life a lot of members here have.

I find it funny how much you can judge the lives of people you never met. If you feel that way, then join an older forum.

This is about teenage PREGNANCY, not teenage SEX. There is a huge difference.

The Infinite Devil Machine
January 16th, 2008, 04:00 PM
He meant on an individual level we don't have to have sex, 50% of the human population could go their entire lives without sex and overal as a species we wouldn't be hurt very much

Actually, it would help the species as a whole.

sims796
January 16th, 2008, 04:26 PM
Help? Would you mind explaining that please?

Allstories
January 16th, 2008, 04:29 PM
I assume he means in regards to overpopulation?

sims796
January 16th, 2008, 04:47 PM
We can't possibly be that overcrowded. Right?

kidpunk
January 16th, 2008, 04:53 PM
Well, i'm really not against it. If teenagers get pregnant, it was their own mistake. Protection should always be used of course.

Growing up, i knew 4 female friends who got pregnant. All but one chose to have their babies. The other friend got an abortion, and they moved away because the parents did not want the daughter to get pregnant again.

Sadly, one friend had a miscarriage. It was very sad for all of us.

Xairmo
January 16th, 2008, 05:26 PM
I love this kind of topic coming up on PC, since the majority of people, who are usually under the age of 15, always respond in the same way. It's funny how sheltered a life a lot of members here have.
Golly-gee my fragile innocence has been completely shattered by this topic. Ive been ever so protected from the real world, I have no idea whats going on! Teenage wha? Oh the thought of leaving my sheltered home to the big and scary world -_-;
Just in case you didnt cath that it was sarcasm.
You know this whole pregnancy and abortion topic is a tough one. Just think, we could have aborted someone who could find a cure for AIDS, HIV, and Cancer. But then again we could have aborted the next Hitler.
Which reminds me. Hitlers mother had an unplanned pregnancy and was going to abort hitler, but at the last moment she decided not to. She felt that she was murdering a human...its just so damn ironic. She literally gave birth to WWII

sims796
January 16th, 2008, 07:56 PM
Oh. no. No she didn't. You cannot blame her for his actions. I should make a thread about this very thing.

Xairmo
January 16th, 2008, 10:24 PM
Oh. no. No she didn't. You cannot blame her for his actions. I should make a thread about this very thing.
I dont blame her, I just find it so ironic. The fact that she felt bad for killing a human, and yet by letting him live so many were killed.

Lady Nicole
January 16th, 2008, 11:52 PM
Golly-gee my fragile innocence has been completely shattered by this topic. Ive been ever so protected from the real world, I have no idea whats going on! Teenage wha? Oh the thought of leaving my sheltered home to the big and scary world -_-;
Just in case you didnt cath that it was sarcasm.
You know this whole pregnancy and abortion topic is a tough one. Just think, we could have aborted someone who could find a cure for AIDS, HIV, and Cancer. But then again we could have aborted the next Hitler.
Which reminds me. Hitlers mother had an unplanned pregnancy and was going to abort hitler, but at the last moment she decided not to. She felt that she was murdering a human...its just so damn ironic. She literally gave birth to WWII

Yeah, that is kinda true. I mean:
If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already, three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had syphilis; would you recommend that she have an abortion?
If you answered yes to that question, you just got rid of Beethoven; however, what we have never had we can't miss. I think that woman's quality of life comes before whether or not her kid is the next Mozart. She was just lucky her son wasn't born like the other kids.

I don't know what I would do if I got pregnant accidentally. But I know one thing's for sure: I'd do everything I can to reduce the chances of it happening, and I think everyone else should do the same. These things happen, you know? Sometimes it's just bad luck and people need to take that into consideration. Everyone has the right to have sex with the person they love. But sometimes people know what they're doing, they use protection and they're just unlucky. Other people don't know what they're doing, they don't use protection and they have to learn from their mistakes.

My friend has a baby and she used protection. She knew she was pregnant really early and she tried to have an abortion (obviously didn't work for some reason). She thought she'd got rid of it, so she just carried on with her normal life: she drank alcohol, took antibiotics, dyed her hair... then she found out she was a few months pregnant. I know she wished she wasn't and it has changed her life completely, but her family and her boyfriend helped her through it and now that she's got her baby, she loves him and wouldn't get rid of him for the world. In addition, she's doing well with her education and plans to do a maths degree. She's a respectable person; no-one should look down on her just because she had a baby at 17.

Merzbau
January 17th, 2008, 08:07 AM
Teenage pregnancy: the thing that makes me glad I'm queer.

In short, it sucks. Kids have kids and they can't take care of them.

Abortion sucks. It should be legal for health reasons; if it was illegal, people would still be having abortions anyway, and it would be unsafe, putting the mother in danger.

It's your choice whether or not you have the baby, and no one should ever take your right to choose away. It's your body.

A couple of cells doesn't constitute a baby. It constitutes a couple of cells.

Quoting Bill Hicks, "You're not a human until you're in my phone book."

Jessie
January 20th, 2008, 03:27 PM
I don't really care if teenagers have sex. It's not my problem. xD I don't like teenage pregnancy though. I knew a girl in my old school who was in 7th grade and was pregnant with twins. I know she survived (somehow...) and that she was in labor for 20-something hours. Another girl I know, 13, had a kid just before Christmas (the father was 23). Those two girls gave their babies up. I know another girl that had an abortion. Stuff like that I do not agree with. Now, on the other hand, my 18 year old cousin is pregnant but she is taking responsibility. She is getting married and keeping the baby. That I have no problem with. Anyone sexually active under the age of 18 or so should be on some type of birth control and always use protection. The end.

Xairmo
January 20th, 2008, 04:37 PM
;3255259']Teenage pregnancy: the thing that makes me glad I'm queer.

In short, it sucks. Kids have kids and they can't take care of them.

Abortion sucks. It should be legal for health reasons; if it was illegal, people would still be having abortions anyway, and it would be unsafe, putting the mother in danger.

It's your choice whether or not you have the baby, and no one should ever take your right to choose away. It's your body.

A couple of cells doesn't constitute a baby. It constitutes a couple of cells.

Quoting Bill Hicks, "You're not a human until you're in my phone book."
Anen to the bold brother, amen XD

mystletainn
January 20th, 2008, 05:48 PM
I'm a full supporter of allowing human beings to do whatever they please with their own bodies. I don't think any authority has any right to tell me what to do with my body. It's like the anti-sodomy laws that prevented adult homosexuals from engaging in whatever they pleased in their own homes. It's not right and no law should interfere. The same goes for pregnant teenagers. Despite the fact that they're teenagers, they still possess a conscience, the ability to make decisions, and for the most part, a functioning brain. So if they feel it's what they want to do, let them do it. How does it affect you? Unless it's your kid, butt out. It's that simple.

And I also agree with the whole "I'm-happy-I'm-gay-so-no-pregnancy-for-me-ever."

Drummershuff
January 28th, 2008, 11:22 AM
Um I think we do need to have sex, if we didnt then our species would dies off. We only need to have sex to repopulate, but you dont need to have sex for the hell of it
What he was trying to say, I believe, is that sex gives people pleasure, so why shouldn't we?

sims796
January 28th, 2008, 12:37 PM
I thought this thread died.

I'm a full supporter of allowing human beings to do whatever they please with their own bodies. I don't think any authority has any right to tell me what to do with my body. It's like the anti-sodomy laws that prevented adult homosexuals from engaging in whatever they pleased in their own homes. It's not right and no law should interfere. The same goes for pregnant teenagers. Despite the fact that they're teenagers, they still possess a conscience, the ability to make decisions, and for the most part, a functioning brain. So if they feel it's what they want to do, let them do it. How does it affect you? Unless it's your kid, butt out. It's that simple.

And I also agree with the whole "I'm-happy-I'm-gay-so-no-pregnancy-for-me-ever."

It's not that simple at all. Along with affecting the family, it affects the child. It isn't as simple as "it's my body, I wanna have a baby". You MUST be able to handle the responsibility. This affects the kid, who will grow up in my society. He might be the next killer, mad at the way he was bought up. That's looking at it from a strained view, I admit.

As a kid brother whose nephews & nices were made by teenagers, I can tell you that it isn't easy raising a kid when you aren't ready. It affected me directly, since now the attention had to be divided amonst the new kids. Meaning it was a tad bit harder to go about school, and worst of all, actually paying for things. Not to mention the sheer amount of time I had to sacrifive to watch the lil' brats. I love em. But all kids are brats to me.

And, as said, it isn't as simple as "If it's not your kid, butt out", as the kid is the innocent party. This is off topic, but ever since that seven year old girl who was killed (I can't remember her name, the trail is still going on), it showed how we get involed with kids that aren't ours.

If you are able to handle it, & you are in that place, then maybe. But just because you have the right, doesn't mean you can execute it on a whim. Child raising is a serious thing, not something to do because you want to on the spot. & I'm sure the child will appreciate it more if the parent was older, which is the case for most children, not that they are sad with how they were bought up.

Warheart
January 28th, 2008, 12:56 PM
Simply put, age doesn't matter when getting pregnant. It's more of an individual person's mentaility that matters. If you're not ready for pregnancy, hold off on having unprotected sex until you're willing to take the risk. Sex is something that should be thought out beforehand, and not just had impulsively. If a woman has sex without thinking about the possibly outcome it may have beforehand and gets pregnant, I don't have sympathy for her. Someone who just acts up on impulse, then finds out a few weeks later that she's pregnant should be able to accept the resposibility of carring a baby. Whether protection is used or not, that risk is still there =/

On the subject of abortion, without getting too deep into my general thoughts on it, I'm gonna have to side against it in most cases. It should still be an option early into a pregnancy if a woman is raped, or if the baby is concieved through incest, but it just sickens me when teenage mothers who have unprotected sex think that they can just brush it off by having an abortion. Again, my opinion on this subject is very up-in-the-air, but in any circumstance, once a developing human fetus is noticable in a woman's womb (Not just cells, but once the embryo begins to take shape), then I no longer view that as part of the "woman's body" and a living, growing organism on it's own, relying off the mother for nurturing. If a woman decides to go out and have one done that late into pregnancy then that, i believe, is murder.

Just my thoughts...

sims796
January 28th, 2008, 01:26 PM
Now of course, it goes to the girl's influences in life. What she's been shown, what she takes in. As well as peer pressure, & all that jazz. But in the core, in it's prime, the only one to blame for this are the parents themselves.

Sure, plenty of teens had all the options presented to them. They know the consequences by now. I won't speak for the teens that don't, as they all should, but I can speak for those who do. They know full well the risk of having sex. They know thhe many dangers, yet they choose to ignore it. They decide for THEMSELVES to go about it.

There is only so much we can say "teen sex is going to happen". Regardless, they have the responsibilty to make sure they take all necessary precautions.

Not having enough self control is not a viable excuse. You can't tell your child that (s)he doesn't have a good life because (s)he was born from me not having self control. There is a level of personal responsibility that goes with it.

And a level of understanding as well.



This is what I mean by responsibility. It's not something to take lightly. That is a VERY adult decision, aand like all adult decision, there are consequences.

As for the bolded part, that also hit me. Premarital sex aside, they must learn that it's not something to do on a whim. As said, it's a grown-up (I don't say grown-up much anymore) choice, and shouldn't be used for rebelion, as the child will suffer in the long run.

Sex isn't a game. It's not something to take so lightly. It has serious consequences, that must be considered. I'm NOT saying it's wrong, but it IS wrong to do it on a whim.

However, you got one thing straight...

If you ARE gonna do it, make sure you're safe.

This fits perfectly with Warheart's statement, without abortion.

Jaimes
January 28th, 2008, 01:57 PM
I agree with sims response. A teenager is defined as a 13-19 year old- an individual who is hardly ready for the life of becoming a parent.
They will still need to find a job to support their child, something that is not easily accomplishable for young and underqualified persons. Also a child requires massive amounts of care, when the teenage parent is at a stage in their life when they can't even do so for therselves & are leaning back on their parents for support.

I don't care if it's the girls choice to get herself laid- the child is going to have an incredibly hard time growing and in poor conditions, and getting pregnant at such an early stage is plain stupid.

AWWSTiN❤
January 28th, 2008, 02:03 PM
If it wasn't for teenage pregnancy I wouldn't be born; x[
My mum had me exactly 2 months before her 17th birthday,,,

this thread makes me feel bad. But S'Okay. :]

[ It's not like I encourage it anyway~ ]

Weatherman, Kiyoshi
January 28th, 2008, 02:15 PM
Hm... teenage pregnancy, eh?

well, In my point of view,

If your perfectly capiable of raising a child, having the money to support yourself, the child, and any significant other your living with, pay the bills, pay morgage, etc.

Then congrats, your okay with taking the risk of teenage pregnancy.

If you are unfit for raising a child, don't have a job/money to support said child, etc.

Then congrats, YOU SHOULD NOT BE HAVING UNPROTECTED SEX.

Wear a condom, and for backup, take birth control pills.

If you do it on impulse and get pregnaut even though you had protection,
well I guess the joke is on you, because even with the protection the risk still exists.

So, if you have sex, at any point in life, BE PREPARED FOR THE POSSIBLE RISKS BECAUSE THEY CAN AND POSSIBLY WILL HAPPEN TO YOU.

so, in conclution-

you have teenage sex, and your prepared for the risk of getting pregnaunt, congrats, you don't have to take crap from me.

If you have teenage sex, and your completely unprepared for the risk of getting pregnaunt, congrats, your offically a moron. T_T

sims796
January 28th, 2008, 03:34 PM
As Jaimes said, as a teen, you are not capable, since you are still kind of a bud yourself. It is hard to find a job to support yourself, so it is danm well hard to find a way to support a child, even if you live on your own. A child needs more than money. They need attention, especially as a baby, 24 hours a day.

LordZangoose
January 28th, 2008, 04:06 PM
Here's a thought, people need to stop having Premarital sex.

In reality you don't need to have sex, when you have sex outside of marriage you're letting your instincts get the better of you.

The whole Christian theories from mindless believers across the world are really edging on my nerves.

If no one would have sex before marriage, humanity would not exist. Well before **** sapiens, **** erectus, or **** neanderthalensis had any thoughts about any so-called 'god', reproduction was occurring. Marriage had no place in that society. If everyone had followed the plans of your God since the dawn of time, with no sex outside of marriage, then you or I would not exist right now.


However, on subject, I believe pregnancy in teenagers are entirely up to the party who would be having the child. I don't condone unprotected sex as a juvenile, but if someone wants to indulge themselves in such a manner and listen to their instincts as adapted by natural selection, then fine by me.

sims796
January 28th, 2008, 04:19 PM
Not one bit, Zangoose. So what about the child that results from "following their instincts"?


People really need to think outside of thier primal urges for one dang second, and think long term. All this, "If you really want to, you should" business has no place in this society, which is what the real thing is. People need to think about the conseuences, because we are not animals. We have the ability to think for ourselves. As such, we must think about all precautions that must be taken before sex is even taken.

Which happens to be the baby.

Second, there is a reason we don't follow the ancient ways of the sapiens way back then. It is obsolete. Random sex is not the way to go, which seems to be popular nowadays. I'm sure that if everyone followed marital sex, civilization wouldn't collapse. Still, marital sex enough isn't the answer to teen pregnacy. Some don't wanna get married. So they must never have sex? Sorry, doesn't work that way.

Watch who you call a mindless Christian. ;)

EDIT: Woops, typo!

LordZangoose
January 28th, 2008, 04:27 PM
By saying the first comment, you make a sweeping generalization that every single teenage girl who gets impregnated is destitute and who's parentage don't support them at all.

A) Primal urges are what enabled us to build society in the first place, and still obviously have some place in our civilizations.

We are still very much animals, as per technical definition. Simply because we have the mental capabilities to think on a higher level than any other animals doesn't mean we've transcended those boundaries. We're simply animals with over-sized brains.

B) The ways of the sapiens are hardly obsolete. Considering we still are sapiens, it pretty much defeats your point in and of it itself. But assuming you mean ancient man, I'll argue the point. If the ways of sapiens were obsolete, we would not reproduce in conventional manners, and simply have test tube babies; if the ways of the sapiens were obsolete, we would not eat meat or hunt for our food at all; and if the ways of the sapiens were obsolete, we would not live in groups larger than families, but rather separate ourselves from human contact for the most part. We are still very much the descendants of our evolutionary forefathers.

sims796
January 28th, 2008, 05:13 PM
Dang wifi acting up...

Now, first off, you should really take a look at all comments. I make no generalization at all, that is what you said. But acting simply on urges is not what humans do. That is also not good for the child at all, no matter how you put it. It must have some sort of thought in what we do. Which is why teen pregnancy is not the way to go, since as Jaimes put it so perfectly, they are not at the point where they can handle themselves to think about handling another life. The off-sucess does not warrent that act.

We are not dogs. We are not cats. We are not bears. We are humans. Just as you are able to go on here & post your opinion, as a dog cannot, you are able to think of the consequences of your actions. You are able to think beyond primal urges, as we are all humans. That is a very black & white mindset to say we are just "animals with oversived brains".

It doesn't defeat my point at all. In fact, it proves it. We are NOT the same as cavemen. We have evoled past that. We don't just have sex to recreate. That is a very backwards way of thinking. Saying we eat meat & hunt is in no wway the same. We are able to breed our food. Mass breed our food. Sure, we still have the same principals as they did back then, but we have grown past that. So to even say "we are just like we were back then, just prevents evolution.

flight
January 28th, 2008, 05:34 PM
Dang wifi acting up...

Now, first off, you should really take a look at all comments. I make no generalization at all, that is what you said. But acting simply on urges is not what humans do. That is also not good for the child at all, no matter how you put it. It must have some sort of thought in what we do. Which is why teen pregnancy is not the way to go, since as Jaimes put it so perfectly, they are not at the point where they can handle themselves to think about handling another life. The off-sucess does not warrent that act.

We are not dogs. We are not cats. We are not bears. We are humans. Just as you are able to go on here & post your opinion, as a dog cannot, you are able to think of the consequences of your actions. You are able to think beyond primal urges, as we are all humans. That is a very black & white mindset to say we are just "animals with oversived brains".

It doesn't defeat my point at all. In fact, it proves it. We are NOT the same as cavemen. We have evoled past that. We don't just have sex to recreate. That is a very backwards way of thinking. Saying we eat meat & hunt is in no way the same. We are able to breed our food. Mass breed our food. Sure, we still have the same principals as they did back then, but we have grown past that. So to even say "we are just like we were back then, just prevents evolution.

We are not the animals in the wild, however, as human beings, we are still animals, as we are classified as mammals, right? =\

Anyway...

As human beings, we are clearly able to think, unlike those in the wild. They have brains yes, but they're wild animals, and the rest is self-explanatory. However smart we seem to be with our decisions, there are some people who plain ignore that and do whatever they choose to do. It's their problem, not ours.

To put it short, the human race could think, but the majority doesn't want to. That's(if I'm correct) the whole problem behind teenage sex. You don't think, then you fall under manipulation of one of the many complex feelings out there: Love.

And then you can do nothing after that, really, unless you're somehow strong-willed and can break the hold.

sims796
January 28th, 2008, 05:55 PM
Unfortunately, that is often the case, Musashi.

But it goes beyond "that's their problem". It's actually the child's problem, and that's what I'm getting at.

LordZangoose
January 28th, 2008, 06:01 PM
Dang wifi acting up...

Now, first off, you should really take a look at all comments. I make no generalization at all, that is what you said. But acting simply on urges is not what humans do. That is also not good for the child at all, no matter how you put it. It must have some sort of thought in what we do. Which is why teen pregnancy is not the way to go, since as Jaimes put it so perfectly, they are not at the point where they can handle themselves to think about handling another life. The off-sucess does not warrent that act.

You made a massive generalization. By saying the children born cannot be cared for, you assume that the families surrounding the teenagers do not have the resources to care for them. A sweeping generalization.

We are not dogs. We are not cats. We are not bears. We are humans. Just as you are able to go on here & post your opinion, as a dog cannot, you are able to think of the consequences of your actions. You are able to think beyond primal urges, as we are all humans. That is a very black & white mindset to say we are just "animals with oversived brains".

Everything we do is a primal urge, by technical definition. Considering our brain is a tool originated from primal humans, as is our spine and the rest of our nervous system, and we use the nervous system to control all of our actions, everything is a primal urge. And as black and white as my point may be, the fact that it is correct stands firm. We're certainly not fungi, plants, bacteria, insects, or any other classification of life. We fit into the animal category quite snuggly.

It doesn't defeat my point at all. In fact, it proves it. We are NOT the same as cavemen. We have evoled past that. We don't just have sex to recreate. That is a very backwards way of thinking. Saying we eat meat & hunt is in no wway the same. We are able to breed our food. Mass breed our food. Sure, we still have the same principals as they did back then, but we have grown past that. So to even say "we are just like we were back then, just prevents evolution.

We are not the same as cavemen, indeed. I never said we were. I simply stated that we're clearly the evolutionary descendants of the primal humans, in habit and other characteristics. Cavemen didn't necessarily have sex simply to recreate either. Since for quite a while in our history, we've been able to differentiate pleasure from duty, to have the most fulfilling activity we know of would make sense to even early man. Therefore they would have recreational sex, as we continue to do today. And even we were able to breed our food and settle down, the idea of the Christ-god had yet to be formulated, so I don't see where you're going with that. The idea of sex outside of marriage obviously persisted well into the farming-cultivating stage, and continues to do today.

sims796
January 28th, 2008, 06:15 PM
Hold on, my point was not on premarital sex, so let's drop that entirely.

By getting technical, you missed the point comepletely. I won't get into a futher disscusion as of what defines us as animals, because Musashi (the one whose name I can't type) had said it perfectly. I am very much tired of choosing my words as so people can understand exactly what I mean, as most of the time, it really isn't so hard. Musashi got it. If you didn't get AT ALL what I meant by "we are not animals", I cannot have a sensible debate with you at all.

Now, for the only on-topic post (not to insult, as you made some points I don't feel like addressing), maybe you should have a look at earlier posts that I made. You 'll see my opinion on the families that must take care of the child. As I was one of them.

LordZangoose
January 28th, 2008, 06:31 PM
Hold on, my point was not on premarital sex, so let's drop that entirely.

By getting technical, you missed the point comepletely. I won't get into a futher disscusion as of what defines us as animals, because Musashi (the one whose name I can't type) had said it perfectly. I am very much tired of choosing my words as so people can understand exactly what I mean, as most of the time, it really isn't so hard. Musashi got it. If you didn't get AT ALL what I meant by "we are not animals", I cannot have a sensible debate with you at all.

Now, for the only on-topic post (not to insult, as you made some points I don't feel like addressing), maybe you should have a look at earlier posts that I made. You 'll see my opinion on the families that must take care of the child. As I was one of them.

It's not a matter of understanding it. You clearly didn't understand what I was saying at first, because my reference to us being animals was clearly technical. So, if you would actually like to debate this with some maturity, as opposed to dropping points that you can't defend entirely, debate on the level I started with.

sims796
January 28th, 2008, 06:37 PM
Excuse me? I defended all of my points, that you've either ignored, or just brushed off with something irrelevant. I don't see where you are getting on about maturity, as you hardly referenced the topic at hand with any fact at all. You are talking about what defines us as animals, while I am not using it in the technical sense at all.

I even metioned the "families who helps out the teen", that I've referenced in an earlier post, that you are just ignoring completely.

Aegis
January 28th, 2008, 06:41 PM
Okay you guys, if you want to continue this debate take it to PM's or some form of messenger. Not only are you getting off topic, this could spawn into flaming.

Thanks.

She-Elf
February 2nd, 2008, 09:38 AM
I feel sorry for the girls getting pregnant to early, they should have a more stabile life before getting a child.
I'm taking care for a real care baby now, from school, and it's not fun getting up in the middel of the night, and do that for months, thats hard for teenagers, maybe not for eveyone, but most teenagers. I'm allready tired after 24 hours.
A baby need care and cuddle 24/7, and food and blablabla. But of course it's their fault if they get pregnant. people should be more careful when it comes to sex.

sims796
February 2nd, 2008, 09:48 AM
Don't ofrget, you also need a stable income. There aren't many job opportunites out there for teenagers, especially those with a good enough pay to support a child.

Relying on families to take care of cildren puts stress on the family as well.

She-Elf
February 2nd, 2008, 10:08 AM
Yeah, thats true. And I also think it's important that the teenage parents try to be together so the child will have a mom and a dad, thats also important.

XxZer0xX
February 2nd, 2008, 02:31 PM
I don't really care unless it has something to do with me. It's the persons' faults that it happens.

Marksman
February 2nd, 2008, 03:21 PM
Well I know that that's the Truth! People want to have 'Sexual Intercourse' and thinking it's cool at a young age. But when the're Impregnated, it's a totally different Story!