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AntiRellik
January 24th, 2008, 08:54 PM
Well I wanted to make this poll...Which of all GBA Pokemon game versions is the most editable?
Oh and please if you'd like, reply with why you chose the option you opted for.
I'm interested in knowing about this topic, plus it can clear other peoples minds in deciding which version is more convenient with what they want to do.
BTW... if anyone votes for Emerald, please describe why ;)
To my knowledge, Emerald isn't as editable as FR or Ruby.

Kristian
January 25th, 2008, 05:53 AM
uhmm.. they're all the same, but Emerald is more unstable, and its not too many tools that work with it..
but Ruby/sapphire do all(almost) tools work, and it is very stable, witch means it wont crash as much as the other games.

Cartmic
January 25th, 2008, 07:54 AM
uhmm.. they're all the same, but Emerald is more unstable, and its not too many tools that work with it..
but Ruby/sapphire do all(almost) tools work, and it is very stable, witch means it wont crash as much as the other games.

Unstable? How? They are all using the same engine.

All of them are the most hackable....thats if you know what your doing.

I think a better poll would be, which GBA Rom has had the most editing tools created for it.


To my knowledge, Emerald isn't as editable as FR or Ruby.

This is becasue more tools have been created for them as they are the most popular, though like I said all you need is a knowledge of what everything is located and how all the little engines work in it and Hex Workshops your friend.

Minun200
January 25th, 2008, 07:57 AM
I think pokemon sapphire is the easiest to hack. This is because it's easier to find the rom & the tools. I mean, i hacked mine so you can complete the pokedex & buy masterball & rare candies for free from the shop. lol

bradenm
January 26th, 2008, 12:21 AM
Pokemon Fire Red, 90% of tools love Fire Red, i tried Ruby but it was pretty dodgy ans Sapphire was even worse

thethethethe
January 26th, 2008, 03:54 AM
They're all the same. It just depends how lazy the hacker is.

Alistair
January 26th, 2008, 06:02 PM
As the(4) and Cartmic said, all are equally hackable, it is more of a question of preference. Cartmic already stated the question that should be posted, so I won't reiterate. All tools will work with Ruby, Sapphire, FireRed, and LeafGreen. Most tools will work with Emerald, but some won't because of the new and modified systems, such as animated Pokémon sprites (so PokéPic is out).

AntiRellik
January 26th, 2008, 07:21 PM
Well, I guess it all goes down into how lazy the hacker is ;) lol
That is so true... They aren't completely different from each other, And all tools out there are coded to modify hex values anyway. I've made tools myself...
The tools just save you time, but they modify hex values and that editing you can do it all yourself in an hex editor but that would take more time and it'd probably drive nuts about 80% of rom hackers.

02magnus
February 1st, 2008, 09:33 AM
I think Emerald is good.... But i voted on FireRed. I think the hacks could be good with FR, ut my VBA can´t play it X( And that is a lolypaticuesychowankanobisuccer thing XD

Darthatron
February 1st, 2008, 06:20 PM
Well I think FireRed is a clear winner. XD

Also, all my tools support FireRed/LeafGreen/Emerald before I even think of doing Ruby/Sapphire. They just seem too old-school for me, you know? Anyway, I think you should hack FireRed. :)

liuyanghejerry
February 1st, 2008, 10:46 PM
Whatever,Leaf Green is my Most loves ...

Binary
February 2nd, 2008, 12:39 AM
Firered is the best for me,
It has more space to make maps and events...but In other roms except for LF it would be hard to do so....

~C3LEBI

Dan13x
February 2nd, 2008, 12:44 AM
Yeah, I think Fire Red is hackable, and stable. And also Ruby/Sapphire. But, I would say no to Emerald because it's too unstable.

Νιτραμ
February 2nd, 2008, 12:46 AM
It doesn't matter that much. Each and every ROM can be hacked, it just depends on the person if he or she wants to put more or less effort if there is no tool for doing a certain task (example: FireRed/LeafGreen world map change) and when they reach the desired effect, they should be proud of themselves that they managed to do that on their own (or with help of tutorial).

In my opinion, all ROMs are hackable, just, it's up to everyone to decide. (I like FR/LG for example.)


Cheers!

Teh Baro
February 2nd, 2008, 03:36 AM
Ruby, by a large difference, regardless of the poll.
Although fire red has better grafics and its gay feature can be easily avoided (I'm talking abut the fame checker, as opposed to the bases in ruby)

Teh_Mudkip
February 3rd, 2008, 04:22 AM
Ruby/Sapphire, of course.

Fluffy Clouds
February 3rd, 2008, 03:28 PM
I think Ruby/Sapphire is a highly hackable ROM, I've been hacking it for two years. It's pretty stable, too.

Virtual Chatot
February 3rd, 2008, 03:29 PM
Um, does anyone actually hack Sapphire? I've only seen one in my entire life.

1215912159
February 3rd, 2008, 03:47 PM
I chose Fire Red because its (DUH!) easier to hack because most of the programs work better with it. In Ruby, on Advance Mart, I'd get a hex # for each item. But with Fire Red, I have:
MASTER BALL
ULTRA BALL
GREAT BALL

so-on-and-so-forth...

kitana
February 10th, 2008, 09:41 AM
is fire red unstable i thouht it was the best to hack

Virtual Chatot
February 10th, 2008, 09:43 AM
is fire red unstable i thouht it was the best to hack

Firered is second to Ruby when it comes to stableness

Emerald is the least stable...

EvEv94
February 11th, 2008, 12:33 PM
I personally like Fire Red the best, But hey, that's just me. :D

AntiRellik
February 11th, 2008, 06:15 PM
Emerald is good for hacking...
It depends HOW you hack it.
If you start deleting all the sh*t it has, you'll have plenty of space for your stuff.
To hack Emerald right you need to remove a lot of data.
In my opinion... Hacking Ruby is like the n00bish choice lol
It's the easiest one to hack IMO (I'm talking about other stuff than just maps, tilesets and sprites)
FireRed's and Ruby's titlescreens are harder to hack, as compared to LeafGreens and Sapphires :P
And i'm talking about no tile-map editing here, just plain simple hacking the titlescreen.

I think the winner here is Ruby, but I take Ruby being the n00bish rom choice, and Emerald being the hardest, although it's equally as hackable as the rest if you know how to hack it properly ;)

Virtual Chatot
February 11th, 2008, 06:27 PM
Emerald is good for hacking...
It depends HOW you hack it.
If you start deleting all the sh*t it has, you'll have plenty of space for your stuff.
To hack Emerald right you need to remove a lot of data.
In my opinion... Hacking Ruby is like the n00bish choice lol
It's the easiest one to hack IMO (I'm talking about other stuff than just maps, tilesets and sprites)
FireRed's and Ruby's titlescreens are harder to hack, as compared to LeafGreens and Sapphires :P
And i'm talking about no tile-map editing here, just plain simple hacking the titlescreen.

I think the winner here is Ruby, but I take Ruby being the n00bish rom choice, and Emerald being the hardest, although it's equally as hackable as the rest if you know how to hack it properly ;)

Omg are you freaking serious xD
Removing stuff from a Rom makes it even less stable, you obviously don't know what you're even talking about.

AntiRellik
February 11th, 2008, 06:40 PM
I never said that deleting data from the rom makes it more stable ;)
I said it gives you plenty of space for your stuff by removing data.
And obviously, carefully look at what you remove.
Removing unused FireRed music frees you a good ammount of space, making the rom much lighter.
A friend of mine is hacking emerald... and in order to work well with the rom he has removed
music and maps, since he is re-inserting stuff of his own.

Virtual Chatot
February 11th, 2008, 07:05 PM
I never said that deleting data from the rom makes it more stable ;)
I said it gives you plenty of space for your stuff by removing data.
And obviously, carefully look at what you remove.
Removing unused FireRed music frees you a good ammount of space, making the rom much lighter.
A friend of mine is hacking emerald... and in order to work well with the rom he has removed
music and maps, since he is re-inserting stuff of his own.

Emerald is unstable because Nintendo didn't make it from scratch. They practically took a Ruby or Sapphire Rom, revamped some stuff, added some new tiles, added the movie scene, and added a few Overworlds.

AntiRellik
February 11th, 2008, 07:37 PM
They didn't revamp a rom... thats silly lol
They grabbed the original Pokemon RS source code and started to update it from there.
I just don't get what the hell people are talking about when saying Emerald is unstable XD

Virtual Chatot
February 11th, 2008, 07:40 PM
They didn't revamp a rom... thats silly lol
They grabbed the original Pokemon RS source code and started to update it from there.
I just don't get what the hell people are talking about when saying Emerald is unstable XD

Because...it...is?

I wouldn't go around saying that its stable, when there are hundreds of other hackers saying that it isn't.

AntiRellik
February 11th, 2008, 08:01 PM
Hundreds of other hackers just repeat what their n00b neighbor hacker said lol
Seriously, why would Nintendo make each game from scratch? they have something to work on...
If they would have made each version from scratch, they wouldn't be that compatible with each version when you connect them through a link cable.
Emerald wasn't made from scratch... but neither was Sapphire.
They all popped out of the same source code. They developed the game and then modified differently for each version to pop out Ruby and Sapphire, then did the same for Emerald... But Emerald was a little different.
This case was different, because FireRed and LeafGreen where made out of the RS source, they all use the same engine. If you research FRLG you'll find leftovers from RS, and so you will find leftovers of FRLG in Emerald.
Emerald was the last one to pop off the source code, though I still don't know what the hell happened here, not sure. They already had the RS games done, so they just needed to do some modifications to the programming to make FRLG.
FR/LG have leftovers from Ruby and Sapphire, and Emerald has leftovers from FR/LG, plus the completely new parts for Emerald.
Emerald has all RS sprites, overworlds, and all GBA gen music.
Just consider it being a Ruby rom, with twice the ammount of voicegroups and tracks... and some FRLG sprites that were found XD and that takes up more space in the rom, but Nintendo wouldn't bother with this, since they just probably made the game thinking "Why waste time deleting this? Let's just leave it unused, no kid playing Emerald will find out." The thing is, we hackers did find out that XD
Emerald still has plenty of free space though...
FRLG has all RSE trainer sprites too, but I think it has something to do with the e-Cards?
Not sure about that last one...
But yeah, I don't find emerald being unstable... I find it more messy compared to the rest.
I guess you could also call that unstable XD

Virtual Chatot
February 11th, 2008, 08:06 PM
Have you tried scripting Emerald yet?

AntiRellik
February 11th, 2008, 08:10 PM
I haven't tried scripting in Emerald... at least yet.
Haven't touched or talked about that one XD But i'd assume you'll possibly use the same commands as in RSFRLG, except for some few ones that might be different, just like those special commands each different for RS and FRLG.
Now that was a good question XDD lol
I'll check that on Emerald sometime soon....

Virtual Chatot
February 11th, 2008, 08:18 PM
Well there you go, I've found the most trouble with Emerald when it came to scripting.

thethethethe
February 11th, 2008, 10:30 PM
Well there you go, I've found the most trouble with Emerald when it came to scripting.

Why would scripting be harder?
Scripting commands are generally the same over the 5 games of the third generation. The only things that differ over the games are the 'special's that are usable, but most of them are common. Honestly, I haven't tried doing much scripting in an Emerald rom, since I was starting, but unless there's some incompatibility between a program and rom, scripting should be equally as easy/difficult(depends which way you see it) in any third gen. game.

PS... The Ruby Grass animations are in a Fire Red rom.....

Virtual Chatot
February 12th, 2008, 07:48 AM
Why would scripting be harder?
Scripting commands are generally the same over the 5 games of the third generation. The only things that differ over the games are the 'special's that are usable, but most of them are common. Honestly, I haven't tried doing much scripting in an Emerald rom, since I was starting, but unless there's some incompatibility between a program and rom, scripting should be equally as easy/difficult(depends which way you see it) in any third gen. game.

PS... The Ruby Grass animations are in a Fire Red rom.....

I've tried adding a single new script into a fresh emerald rom, it crashed as soon as I added the script. ( It was a simple text script )

Wok
February 12th, 2008, 11:51 AM
I think FireRed and Ruby is the best.

Im voted to Ruby now.

PokeManic77
April 7th, 2008, 10:46 PM
i choose...
FIRE-RED, basically because i am hacking FIRE-RED at the moment.

Joey the Cockroach
April 9th, 2008, 04:57 AM
Definately Fire-Red, most hacks i have seen on here are done with firered.

destinedjagold
April 9th, 2008, 03:28 PM
you guys sure did a great job breaking the do-not-revive-a-month-old-thread rule.

*reports*

Ninja Caterpie
April 25th, 2008, 02:59 AM
Well, it isn't a month old anymore :D
So I can post... :D
Anyways... I think that Fire Red is the best.. Well not the best but my favourite...
Oh wells.

Sarcastic Prince
May 4th, 2008, 04:35 AM
Ruby's the best. Most Mexicans use this for hacks.

nemesish
May 5th, 2008, 07:31 PM
Emerald, i think is the best one to hack.
(personally, second to Crystal, it has a LOT of tools. But this is a GBA poll.)

gecko.jsc
May 7th, 2008, 08:35 AM
Well, in terms of easyness to hack, they're all pretty much the same for me, but my favourite one to hack is definitely Fire Red, and Emerald comes second.