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[sims796]

Infernape@Life Orb***Mario
Nature:Jolly/Naughty
Flare Blitz/Flamethrower
Thunderpunch/Stone Edge
Close Combat
Earthquake
EV:???

After much consideration, I thought that Infernape would make a great Mario. I am fairly clueless on how Infernape should be played, but I know the obvious. I'm not to keen on the mixed sweeper set, prefering to go all out physical. T-Punch is for Gya, or Stone Edge for other coverage. Rest is self explanitory.

With Brelom, however, maybe he sould be mixed?


Breloom@Toxic Orb***Luigi
NatureJolly/Adamant
Spore
Focus Punch
Seed Bomb
Stone Edge
EV:252 ATK, 252 SPD

He's a great jumper, green, & even has a hat! For Toad's sake, he's a Mushroom! So of course he's here! I prefer the striaght up attacker over subseeder, but if I'm advised otherwise, I'll consider it.


Blissey@Leftovers***Princess Peach/Toadstool
Nature:Bold
Seismec Toss
Softboiled
Ice Beam
Aromatherapy
EV:Well, whadda you think?

Before I knew Blissey was OU, before I got into compettitive battling, I had always liked Blissey (when the egg hatched to Happiny, it was SOOO cute). Her being overused doesn't make me dislike her in the least. She makes the perfect Peach. I'd like flamehaze to show me his unusual EV spread.


Flygon@Choice Scarf***Yoshi
Nature:Naughty
EQ
Fire Blast
Draco Meteor
U-Turn
EV:252 ATK, 126 SP.ATK, 136 SPD

He looks close to Yoshi. Anyone remember the flashing shell in Super Mario World? Well, this moveset has Yoshi's exact abilities in that game after he swallowed the shell.


Tyranitar@Choice Band
Adamant
252 ATT / 196 SPEED / 60 HP
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Pursuit / Ice beam

Doesn't he look like Bowser? Credit to Dark Azelf for the set.


I need help for a physical wall, but it MUST be in the Mario universe.

This team is a bit OU heavy, huh?

No legends, please. It's hard to aquire those.

[Britney Spears]

Perhaps a Forretress as a Bom-omb.

[evilcheese]

torterra as koopa? probably not cuz it'll just add to your beam weak.

or dusknoir as king boo

yeah and tyranitar definately bowser.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Infernape with Earthquake is yuck. Same coverage besides hitting electrics as fighting moves, pretty pointless.

Infernape @ Life Orb / Choice Band
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -sAtk)
- Flare Blitz
- Close Combat
- Thunderpunch
- Swords Dance / Stone Edge

Life Orb works great here, CB is awesome if you run Stone Edge over SD.

As for Breloom, mixed is a no-no on it, and seed bomb hits bulky grounds hard already.

Scarf Flygon is :( Choice Band is not only better, but fits this team better since you have a speedy attacker in Infernape.

But looking at this team, 3 physical attackers and a fairly weak mixed attacker is quite unbalanced. I'd look at running a purely special Infernape or even running Tyraniboah.

Last Slot needs to be a physical wall, and Loquacity's suggestion of Forretress as a bomb-omb fits pretty well (watch out for that fire weakness though.)

EDIT: @evilcheese: Only 2 pokemon are weak to ice beam, and Blissey takes that like nothing.

[Shadow SSK]

Chansey would be Daisy since peach would Blissy

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Chansey would be Daisy since peach would Blissy

Why would you use both on the same team though? O_o

[sims796]

Infernape with Earthquake is yuck. Same coverage besides hitting electrics as fighting moves, pretty pointless.

Infernape @ Life Orb / Choice Band
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -sAtk)
- Flare Blitz
- Close Combat
- Thunderpunch
- Swords Dance / Stone Edge

Life Orb works great here, CB is awesome if you run Stone Edge over SD.

As for Breloom, mixed is a no-no on it, and seed bomb hits bulky grounds hard already.

Scarf Flygon is :( Choice Band is not only better, but fits this team better since you have a speedy attacker in Infernape.

But looking at this team, 3 physical attackers and a fairly weak mixed attacker is quite unbalanced. I'd look at running a purely special Infernape or even running Tyraniboah.

and Loquacity's suggestion of Forretress as a bomb-omb fits pretty well (watch out for that fire weakness though.)

EDIT: @evilcheese: Only 2 pokemon are weak to ice beam, and Blissey takes that like nothing.

First, where the heck do you see a mixed Breloom?

Second, don't say Band is better. Say Band is better for this team. I use Scarf well enough to know how good it is. It's a little annoying when people says that Band is better overall. There is no overall, as it must both fit the player & the team.

Third, this is a THEMED team. Flygon fits the spot of Yoshi perfectly. I might use Band, depending on its performance.

Sp.Nape is under consideration, as is Boah.

[Horizon]

I always thought that Breloom looked like the Hammer bros., but each to his own :)

For a physical wall, maybe Agrron = Dry Bones?

Aggron @ Leftovers***Dry Bones
Impish Nature
EVs: 252 HP/200 Def/58 Atk

Iron Head
Stone Edge/Rock Slide
Stealth Rock
Roar

Physical Wall, phazer, Stealth Rocker and UU into the bargain. I also remember someone suggesting HP Fire Torterra for Bowser in a different thread.

[ABYAY]

If he had Gengar, AKA Bomb Boo from Galaxy, then maybe with Aggron.

In my opinion, this is a Yoshi. lol http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g103/ABYAY/ABYliquid.png

When Flygon shoots beams of nuclear energy, then he's indeed a yoshi.

[Britney Spears]

sims, he did say CBFlygon was better for this team. Read his post better. O_o;

[sims796]

Scarf Flygon is :( Choice Band is not only better, but fits this team better since you have a speedy attacker in Infernape.

sims, he did say CBFlygon was better for this team. Read his post better. O_o;

He also said CBGon is better, and Scarfgon is sad, which is the second time he said that. That is not true at all. You can't unatimously decide that CB is absolutely best for everyone. Different teams, and different players, works best with different items, movesets, & pokes. I didn't notice I put EQ on Nape, so he's right on that, but to say CB is better is one sided & half mind.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

I misread the part with Breloom and mixed in the same sentence.

I know it's a theme team sims, I didn't say anything to deprive the team of its theme.

I said CB is better than Scarf AND it fits the team better, which it does. Infernape works well as a speedy attacker, no need to Scarf somthing that doesn't need such an item. Choice Band Flygon is better anyways, when it's even better for the team as well, it's a win-win.

Out of curiosity, how in the world does TTar resemble Bowser besides the fact that they both are big and have spiky backs?

^If you want TTar to resemble Bowser, run Boah with Flamethrower hehe

EDIT: When I say CB Flygon is better, it is a generalization, which isn't necessarily bad. Scarf Flygon lacks Power, and most teams need power. I don't just say it say it. Cb Flygon is best in MOST CASES, which is pretty much what I mean.

I actually have used both with a lot of different teams, as I'm quite a big Flygon fan, and Scarf Flygon was just terrible in every circumstance I put it in. Even its STAB Earthquake did lol damage to threats that aren't even that bulky. CB Earthquake will nail Bulky Waters with massive damage.

It might be a generalization, but CB Flygon is best 90% of the time.

[sims796]

I misread the part with Breloom and mixed in the same sentence.

I know it's a theme team sims, I didn't say anything to deprive the team of its theme.

I said CB is better than Scarf AND it fits the team better, which it does. Infernape works well as a speedy attacker, no need to Scarf somthing that doesn't need such an item. Choice Band Flygon is better anyways, when it's even better for the team as well, it's a win-win.

Out of curiosity, how in the world does TTar resemble Bowser besides the fact that they both are big and have spiky backs?

^If you want TTar to resemble Bowser, run Boah with Flamethrower hehe

If you don't see the resemblence, then explaining will do no good.

I thought Flamethrower (Fire Blast) but Azelf pointed out that it does no good.


But this is what I mean. For the team, yeah, but you cannot tell me that CB is better than Scarf. Ever. Because in my real team, CB does me no good. That really gets on my nerves. It's about what suits both the player & the team. So for you, or anyone, to just up & decide "All Flygon should be using a CB in order to be most effective" is ridiculous, as it is what I think is needed. And maybe Band isn't in the way YOU play. 90% of the time is a lie to me, I don't care how many different teams you used it in. You just don't play with Scarf, is all. I prefer Scarf, so I guess 90% doesn't apply to me, huh?

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

If you don't see the resemblence, then explaining will do no good.

I thought Flamethrower (Fire Blast) but Azelf pointed out that it does no good.


But this is what I mean. For the team, yeah, but you cannot tell me that CB is better than Scarf. Ever. Because in my real team, CB does me no good. That really gets on my nerves. It's about what suits both the player & the team. So for you, or anyone, to just up & decide "All Flygon should be using a CB in order to be most effective" is ridiculous, as it is what I think is needed.

If you read my edit I say it's a generalization. Sure CB Flygon isn't better for ALL teams, but for most it is. That was the point I was making.

Flamethrower on Boah is fun for torching Skarmory and especially Bronzong.

EDIT: I have a lot of damage claculations to show the sheer difference in power. It's big...very big.

[sims796]

If you read my edit I say it's a generalization. Sure CB Flygon isn't better for ALL teams, but for most it is. That was the point I was making.

Flamethrower on Boah is fun for torching Skarmory and especially Bronzong.

EDIT: I have a lot of damage claculations to show the sheer difference in power. It's big...very big.

For one, I'll consider Forry, but it must have Explosion. Electrode would be a better Bob-omb.


I couldn't care less about calulations. My team[s] has all the power I need. But it is quite slow, so Flygon always picked up the slack. As I said, it's about what suits the PLAYER, as a whole. Maybe your style is more on Power. I perfer speed. So CB is just about always better not only doesn't apply to me, but to any other player that utilizes Speed. Damage Cals & technicalities alone doesn't win a match. The player does.

[Kayashi]

Perhaps a Substitute would be a better option on Breloom over Stone Edge. After all, if Spore gets unlucky and the opponent wakes up on the first turn, Breloom is pretty much gone :/

[sims796]

I was trying my best to AVOID Substitute, but you are right. I was thinking about Gya, but it doesn't matter. I'll try Sub.

I really want another MArio, other than Marionape.

Plusle & Minun makes the best Mario & Luigi. Shame they are nearly unusable.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Substitute is good on breloom less for something waking up, and more that sleep clause can work against you.

Players win matches, but it their sweeper can't even 3HKO Milotic with its strongest STAB move, you can't do anything.

Scarf Flygon probably is better for your team, but if you are choosing Flygon will do the most damage while retaining high speed with a choice band. Almost any pokemon is useless in the hands of a newbie or n00b. But you lose so much power on a Scarf Flygon. CB Flygon can poses a threat to a lot more things than Scarf does, and that's where the basis of my argument is.

Not to mention you act as though Scarf Flygon is better for this team, when it really isn't. Infernape is a speedy attacker that doesn't have the power people think (though is still powerful). This team already has speed, what it needs is power. CB Flygon is much more POWERful than Scarf Flygon, which is why it fits this team better.

[Dark_Azelf]

I was trying my best to AVOID Substitute, but you are right. I was thinking about Gya, but it doesn't matter. I'll try Sub.

I really want another MArio, other than Marionape.

Plusle & Minun makes the best Mario & Luigi. Shame they are nearly unusable.

Breloom@Toxic orb
44 HP / 252 Atk / 212 Spe
Nature: Adamant Nature
Trait: Poison Heal
- Leech Seed
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Spore


Yeah this really wants Adamant, Jolly doesnt do much, make it Adamant and give it 212 evs. This spread allows for optimal recovery from Poison Heal and ensures he is faster than Adamant Tyranitar, thus avoiding the occasional Ice Beam or Fire Blast. You're also a few Speed points ahead of minimum Speed Gliscor.

Sub Seed = win, especially against walls.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Seed Bomb is pretty helpful for stuff that resists Focus Punch, especially Spiritomb or Dusknoir.

[sims796]

Substitute is good on breloom less for something waking up, and more that sleep clause can work against you.

Players win matches, but it their sweeper can't even 3HKO Milotic with its strongest STAB move, you can't do anything.

Scarf Flygon probably is better for your team, but if you are choosing Flygon will do the most damage while retaining high speed with a choice band. Almost any pokemon is useless in the hands of a newbie or n00b. But you lose so much power on a Scarf Flygon. CB Flygon can poses a threat to a lot more things than Scarf does, and that's where the basis of my argument is.
And mine is my team alreasdy has the power. I find Band is a bit too slow for me. Gon isn't the main threat, and he fufills a particular purpose, KOing particular pokes, while switching to a poke who can take out the opponent. Not everything is as black & white as "it does more damage, it is better!".

Not to mention you act as though Scarf Flygon is better for this team, when it really isn't. Infernape is a speedy attacker that doesn't have the power people think (though is still powerful). This team already has speed, what it needs is power. CB Flygon is much more POWERful than Scarf Flygon, which is why it fits this team better.

Um, ok,. Maybe you should read post that I put more carefully.

First, where the heck do you see a mixed Breloom?

Second, don't say Band is better. Say Band is better for this team. I use Scarf well enough to know how good it is. It's a little annoying when people says that Band is better overall. There is no overall, as it must both fit the player & the team.

Third, this is a THEMED team. Flygon fits the spot of Yoshi perfectly. I might use Band, depending on its performance.

Sp.Nape is under consideration, as is Boah.




But this is what I mean. For the team, yeah, but you cannot tell me that CB is better than Scarf.

Anyway, I said I would try Band for this team, but (and this is what I mean by I am not a noob) everything you said about band, I ALREADY KNOW! There must be some reason I don't care for it, huh? I'm not just disregarding what you say, and you aren't educating me with anything new when I argue back so strongly. It must mean I know what you are saying already, but personal practice tells me otherwise, which goes over most other outside opinions.

Now, as I said, are there any replacements for Infernio? I really don't see him as a Mario. Protopass...not so much. Nice Stache, though.

EDIT:I was trying my best to AVOID Subseed entirely. I guesss it's unavoidable. Oh well.

[Bleach and Sunshine]

Until flamehaze comes...

Blissey@Leftovers
Nature:Modest
EV: 252 HP/252 Def
-Seismic Toss
-Softboiled
-Flamethrower
-Aromatherapy

You have Flygon and possibly Ice Beam Tyranitar to go against Dragons. So Flamethrower might be the right attack to go against Steel types.

[Samson]

modest? o.O

i seriously think you should call blissey the "fat guy". it was a enemy in super mario world 2 that laid eggs.

for a physical wall... hmm...hrmm...blastoise ain't a wall, but it could probably pass off as a snifit.

shuckle's not a wall, but it could probably pass off as baby bowser XD. or even better, koopa troopa.

jirachi has reflect... can pass off as graceful star.

there was a rhino in super mario world ... rhyperior

you can definitely pass off weezing as a goomba.

pelipper is an option cus its fighting/water resist and has roost to boot.

if there was ever a mermaid/beautiful fish character ---> milotic.

torkoal can pass off as that one turtle that floats in that smoke. same concept and funny as hell lolololol

[sims796]

Now that's the attitude, Samson! This is supposed to be a lighthearted thread!

I Really saw Chimchar (Or Magby) as baby Mario, Baby Bowser looks just like Larvitar.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

I speak from experience too ;)

Subseeding is more than avoidable. It isn't necessary at all. I've always ran sub/spore/focus punch and Mach Punch or HP Ghost in ADV, and seed bomb in this generation. It works fine.

BTW, tremendous sig sims. Go go go Giants!

[Dark_Azelf]

As for Physical ape....


Infernape@Life Orb / Expert Belt *lulmixape*
Jolly Nature
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 4 HP
~ Swords Dance
~ Flare Blitz
~ Close Combat
~ ThunderPunch / Stone Edge

Whilst Flare Blitz and Life Orb can add up quickly for higher payout, expert belt is the safer option and allows you to OHKO Mence and Gyarados with respective moves after a Swords Dance, even after an intimidate.

[sims796]

I almost cried, since I bet money on the game. Thought I was out 50 bucks. What a come-from-behind win! Looks like I can buy Brawl now!

I do wanna keep Seed Bomb-it's the closest thing I have to a green fireball.

But I REALLY wanna replace Infernape. What is a good replacement?

He must be red, and capable of some sort of Fire type attack. Medicham is out-he's more Waluigi.

[ABYAY]

You could go with a Down's Syndrome Mario and pick Magmortar. It has uses in OU.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Well, since I'm being annoyed to go somewhere now, I'll give you my best thought at the moment...uh...Heatran? Blaziken? Typhlosion? Flareon? Arcanine?

BTW, Seed Bomb is almost necessary on Breloom IMO.

[sims796]

Well, MArio is a jolly fella...those guys have anger issues. That's what's making it so hard.

[ABYAY]

Then go a Jolly *Insert pokemon's name here* if you have to. It all makes sense without it making a bit of sense! *confusion wave*

[Samson]

^^ lol

well uh... let's see. blaziken has boobs, and mario in real life would have boobs. a solution!!

scizor is a STREEETCH. but nah, it's completely physical.

octillery is an even bigger stretch XD

if you're ok with it not being red, lickilicky!

yah i think you should completely give up on mario and fit in luigi XD. he's the coolest anyway ^.^ was always my favorite character and best on tennis. how do you feel about gallade? will definitely add value to your team to have someone who can take hits for breloom and also cause status (if you want).

[sims796]

First off, Samson instantly gets 58.7 cool points for loving Luigi. On the SPOT.

Buuuuut....

Gallade is more like Link, which I will do on another team. Him & Leafeon, for some reason.

But, I can't have Luigi without his brother! Luigi is Breloom. He has a hat, has a great jump, & has Seed Bomb, a.k.a Green Fire.

Mario must be able to fit on Flyosi.

[curaga]

sorry, I cant help but notice the similarity between mario and probopass >< no fire moves though :/

Edit: reread through posts and saw you werent interested, sorry.

[Arcknight316]

Shiny Machamp and Sceptile can be Luigi, while Jynx can be Peach.

I've always been a fan of Luigi. From Mario Kart 64, I've always picked him, and on Mario Kart DS, the Shooting Star has always been my fave Kart, so I used Mario. But ever since I unlocked all karts, I started using Luigi in the Shooting Star. He's also my most used character in SM64DS. I like that odd "Uwouwuouou" noise he makes when he hovers. :)

[sims796]

sorry, I cant help but notice the similarity between mario and probopass >< no fire moves though :/

Edit: reread through posts and saw you werent interested, sorry.

No prob, at least your thinking.

And Dark, those lips creep me the frack out.

[Samson]

then infernape it is =(

i would make it *somewhat* mixed (naive/hasty), definitely flamethrower/fire blast and drop EQ. CC gives it enough coverage and hits harder. what to replace it for... eh that's a toughy. infernape is trouble >=/

listen to everyone about putting sub on breloom. it doesn't have to be a subseeder, but it definitely needs sub if it wants to get a focus punch in. that's what makes it so annoying. set something to sleep, put up sub, recover hp, attack, recover hp, switch. so yeah, drop stone edge. stone edge is very helpful against gar and poison types, but that's the only benefit. stab seed bomb and focus punch are decent with coverage.

for your physical wall, i'd go for something that has a fighting resist. ttar and blissey on the same team is a deadly move, especially when there's nothing there to take the hit. i also suggest something that can deliver a special hit decently. your team is quite physical based. pelipper... hey!! there would be no mario if there wasn't a pelican to fly him from the heavens down to earth.. i mean mushroom kingdom.