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ExMaikel
February 16th, 2008, 08:16 AM
Hey all, I'm new here and I got a question.
I have an idea for a hack in my head and I want to start making it, but I don't know what game to be the ROM BASE
Ruby or Red Fire.
I saw that most of the hackz are Red Fire's and I want to ask why ?

I have thought about what each game have that the other don't and i've come to this :
Ruby - Berries, Contants(cool\smart\cute\tough\beauty), Hm8- Dive, Secret Base, Double Battels, Normal Dex ( no national crap )
Red Fire - Graphich ( can be changed easily ), Good Rod System ( just press on the rod and there is a bite) , Vs Seeker.

so , plz explain me what should I use as a Rom Base .

Yoshimi
February 17th, 2008, 01:30 PM
Well i haven;t really thought about it but most people hack firered because of the better graphics.
But ruby has all those extras.
Well i think its because firered is more stable than ruby and ruby is waaayyy more stable than emerald.
Well its basic that firered is easier to hack and looks better in some ways.
And whats "in your mothers bad?

ExMaikel
February 17th, 2008, 01:41 PM
Well i haven;t really thought about it but most people hack firered because of the better graphics.
But ruby has all those extras.
Well i think its because firered is more stable than ruby and ruby is waaayyy more stable than emerald.
Well its basic that firered is easier to hack and looks better in some ways.
And whats "in your mothers bad?

sorry for being a bit dumb but what's the meaning of the word " stable" ?
and it's a joke - my location is at your mother's bed and I'm not alone. like I'm with your mom, hope the joke ain't too dirty, and if any one find it offensive I will delete it.

+Sneasel™
February 17th, 2008, 01:48 PM
Fire red is what most hackers use, but some do use ruby (quartz, ruby destiny).
It depends on preference.
By stable, he means the chance of the ROM crashing (not working), but he is wrong.
Ruby is more stable than Fire Red, and Emerald is really really really unstable. Saphire and Leaf Green aren't used too much just because of preference, they don't make a difference.
Also, most people choose to hack Fire Red since it has better graphics, and doesn't start out with the truck scene. That truck scene is really bad since its considered unoriginal if you use it, and its kind of hard to get rid of the rumble at the beginning...

I personally hack Fire Red, but its down to preference + the things you mentioned in your first post.

Yoshimi
February 23rd, 2008, 08:48 PM
Yeah i think its just preference and i think people hack FR more because it is a more common rom than LG.
Its all just on opinion when you think about it.
In stability i think this is how it is.
Ruby
Fire red
Leaf green
Sapphire
Emerald

But some hacks are LG.
I've only seen one and that was pokemon ere- uh eruption.

AntiRellik
February 24th, 2008, 11:20 AM
-_-'
Please stop saying Emerald is unstable... It's dumb.
I don't see anything unstable about it...
FireRed is a good choice, but Ruby has more "extras".
Though I think it's easier to work with Ruby or Sapphire, since they were the first ones to pop out of the Pokemon RS source code, they are pretty much cleaner. In FR/LG/E you have more chances of bumping with a lot of un-used data, SPECIALLY in Emerald. Emerald is heavier, and has less empty space...But there is still plenty of space left in there to put in your own stuff.
Emerald has it's advantages though... It was the last one to pop out of the Pokemon RS source, so it's the most updated one.

Binary
February 25th, 2008, 07:22 AM
Well, I think firered has great graphics. Its tiles are easily changeable and the graphics are great. But it doesn't matter all upon the graphics. Ruby is also very good, with all its extras and contests, which are good for gameplay. And who says Emerald isn't stable? It will be stable once you hack it. So mainly, it depends on the hacker and the gameplay. They're all equal in every way.

~C3LEBI

Chefdude548
February 25th, 2008, 10:29 AM
Well, when you look at it, fr/lg have the islands, which translate into more map space in most cases. 'sides, the tileset can be changed, so it's only an issue for lazy hackers (like me).

~Chef

GKS
February 28th, 2008, 05:20 PM
I like Fire Red more than Ruby, even though Ruby have the time system. Fire red has better graphics and i think Fire Red has many things that you would not normally know about, like weather and sprites, even though ruby has many stuff too.

TB Pro
February 29th, 2008, 07:03 PM
Pros:

Ruby = VERY stable, A few extra features, lots of tools.
Fire Red = Stable enough, Better Graphics, and a fair amount of tools.
Emerald = LOTS of extra features.
Leaf Green = Same as Fire Red.
Sapphire = Same as Ruby.

Cons:

Ruby = Truck scene, worse Graphics.
Fire Red = Occational crashes here and there, Less faetures.
Emerald = SUPER ULTRA MEGA unstable, worse graphics.
Leaf Green = Same as Fire Red
Sapphire = Same as Ruby.

thethethethe
February 29th, 2008, 07:09 PM
Why do people put bad graphics as a downside to a game? If you wanted to, you could give a Ruby Rom, Fire Red Tiles, or you could give a Fire Red Rom, ruby tiles. That really can't be counted as a downside to a rom.

TB Pro
February 29th, 2008, 08:14 PM
Why do people put bad graphics as a downside to a game? If you wanted to, you could give a Ruby Rom, Fire Red Tiles, or you could give a Fire Red Rom, ruby tiles. That really can't be counted as a downside to a rom.

Yeh I understand that, but for most hackers that would NEED this information(newbs) would not know how to insert new tiles; therefore, Causing it to be a downside to a ROM in their eyes. I, in fact, care much more about the actual gameplay differences apposed to, "The All Wonderful", graphical pleasers. Even though I, myself, use a Fire Red ROM for the basis of my hack, I truely beleive that the hackers of Ruby ROMs are smart. I only use Fire Red for the basis of my hack, because when I began hacking on it, I was more appealed to the graphical matters of ROMs, and now I beleive that I should carry out my first impression of ROM hacking with my hack. Now to get back on track, If you guys are looking for a good ROM to hack, and will actually sit down to insert tiles(if you are interested in those graphical matters), I think the best choice of a ROM to make the basis of your hack would be a Ruby ROM. Ruby has many features that Fire Red cannot compare with, and with -Hackmew-'s SMCA(or Start Map Chooser Advance(d)) you can rid yourself of the godforsaken truck animation that Ruby ROM's are famous for. As for the Starter situation, with a basic knowledge of scripting, It would be easy to remove the Birch event, and replace it with your own brew of starter script. Well whatever you all choose, good luck!

wolverfrog
March 2nd, 2008, 02:28 PM
firered no question about it.
as a third option though, you could use emerald, nice grapics + extra features

bob_saget
March 2nd, 2008, 06:59 PM
In my personal opinion, I would go with Ruby. It it the least bloated ROM out of all of the advanced generation games. Thus, you can fit more stuff onto it.

Tenzou
March 3rd, 2008, 02:53 PM
I personally prefer Ruby as a base rom for hacks. I don't know but FR has more rom space, neater graphics, etc. Either ways, Ruby is gonna go down and FR is gonna be the new base rom for hackers.

AntiRellik
March 3rd, 2008, 05:49 PM
In my personal opinion, I would go with Ruby. It it the least bloated ROM out of all of the advanced generation games. Thus, you can fit more stuff onto it.

Fit more stuff into it... for how much? 1 tile more than you can fit in FR?
Being Emerald, Crystal, Ruby, Fire Red or Sapphire or whatever, they all have free space we'll always be able to fit stuff into the rom. ;)

MudMast
March 4th, 2008, 04:16 PM
i'd go with ruby but MAKE BACKUPS

it helps

fire red does have good graphics
ruby has all the programs for everyone to use

i personally think ruby is easier

Michael Allison
March 15th, 2008, 03:26 PM
Fire Red has a better selection of native tiles, as well as a better native storyline. To be honest, though, it all comes down to the basics; and if you edit these enough, like editing the function and graphics of items/pokemon, etc. with custom scripts and spriting, you really shouldn't worry too much. They're very similar ROMs.

Tsushima
March 15th, 2008, 08:19 PM
I believe the reason most people hack firered is due to the fact that the graphics are better and the gameplay is longer (sevii islands and stuff... ><") but ruby is has the contests and pokeblocks which make it a tough opponent against Firered, although the gameplay is shorter you can make it longer by ROM EXTENSION. I know your probably thinking "why don't they just import the graphics from firered on to ruby, thus making it better?" well... who knows? I sure don't...

Yoshimi
March 15th, 2008, 09:08 PM
I believe the reason most people hack firered is due to the fact that the graphics are better and the gameplay is longer (sevii islands and stuff... ><") but ruby is has the contests and pokeblocks which make it a tough opponent against Firered, although the gameplay is shorter you can make it longer by ROM EXTENSION. I know your probably thinking "why don't they just import the graphics from firered on to ruby, thus making it better?" well... who knows? I sure don't...

and pokeblocks are used to use pokemon in contests.
that counts as a sidequest which will extend the game.
but i will change my vote to ruby.
reasons.
sidequests(more than FR)
time function(ASM works too but its really hard)
contests
secret bases
dive HM
New game

but fire red is better in these
simpler scripts(at least...to me that is)
longer story
less sidequests
remake of kanto
easier to hack(even though many people like DJG or Lex_14 may disagree)

I vote ruby now because i played it yesterday and forgot all the features that there was.

Michael Allison
March 16th, 2008, 06:50 AM
When it all comes down to that, though, you can import the graphics of Fire Red without excruciating difficulty...

Virtual Chatot
March 16th, 2008, 07:42 AM
I think almost all of us could agree that Ruby with FR/LG graphics is the best mix. Most of the posts I see are putting Firered down because of better graphics. You can take ruby, which is the most stable out of all the Pokemon Roms, and combine it with Firered. You have all the extra features of Ruby and the excellent graphics of Firered to make one good combination.

X-Buster
March 17th, 2008, 04:08 AM
FireRed would be the best choice for beginners because its very simple and easy to hack..!

HackLars
March 19th, 2008, 09:25 AM
ruby is the best!
firered is too difficult to hack

wahwa
March 20th, 2008, 02:30 AM
Firered can change graphics easily.its better choose firered

Aero-LyNx
March 23rd, 2008, 12:09 AM
Why don't all of us take a poll which is the best for hack:
-Pokemon Fire Red
-Pokemon Ruby
-Pokemon Emerald
Only three, OK?(Because I think these are the common ROMs)

JacobGRocks
March 30th, 2008, 04:27 AM
emerald has the best graphics and ruby's features. i recommend it or fr/lg.

ShinyMewStar
March 30th, 2008, 04:36 AM
I'm a beginner in hacking but i already decided i will use pokemon ruby for the base and i was also going to base it in Kanto which means i'm going to import the graphics from fire red. I also believe that it is down to the person who is doing it and their prefernce to which game they like more.

Cid
March 30th, 2008, 06:40 AM
I guess Ruby is a bit better... Maybe because the graphics thing can be imported and exported or edited... Also, VS Seeker doesn't seem to be of any use other than rematches which are easily fulfilled by the PokeNav... Or maybe sometimes the Fire Red roms are more stable than Ruby... (but in my opinion, Ruby is more stable than Fire Red)

[HoN] Jereziah
April 3rd, 2008, 05:25 AM
Use ruby coz i like pokemons there
red fire sukz coz its all old pokemons

ambalance
April 25th, 2008, 12:34 AM
I have tried a ruby hack but it kept crashing so i started fire red....i have hit a dead end though....can someone point me in the directions of tools....i need a tool that changes the pokemon locations like bewildered but i cant find one

Ninja Caterpie
April 25th, 2008, 03:10 AM
I have tried a ruby hack but it kept crashing so i started fire red....i have hit a dead end though....can someone point me in the directions of tools....i need a tool that changes the pokemon locations like bewildered but i cant find one


Locations? As in where you can find them?
Like, what wild Pokemon where?
AdvanceMap can change that...

grenadesonfire
April 26th, 2008, 12:47 PM
Im making a fire red hack, but my script editor sucks (it doesn't work)
Where can i get a good one?

Aero-LyNx
April 26th, 2008, 05:46 PM
Im making a fire red hack, but my script editor sucks (it doesn't work)
Where can i get a good one?

Go get poke script and pkm adv(They are in one thread but I can't remember where is the thread). And find the tutorial if you are new with poke script in documents and tutorials.

grenadesonfire
April 30th, 2008, 12:39 PM
thanks pal, i feel less like a noob now

8th Wonder™
May 4th, 2008, 02:09 AM
Ruby by a long shot. Even though it doesn't have as good graphics you have all those extras and I personally think it's easier to edit maps in Ruby.

Sarcastic Prince
May 4th, 2008, 04:43 AM
Use ruby coz i like pokemons there
red fire sukz coz its all old pokemons

Your wrong. AM can put Hoenn Pokemon in the Fire Red Rom. I think Ruby is better 'cause you can put some extras in.
P.S It's not 'Red Fire' but Fire Red.

Tropical Sunlight
May 10th, 2008, 12:37 AM
I think Firered is:

Better than Ruby:
- Sevii Islands, so more Flying Locations
- Better Graphics
- More Trainers
- RSE Trainer Battle Sprites, so more Battle sprites to replace
- RSE Key Items, so more items to replace

Worse than Ruby:
- No clock system
- Hard way Title Screen editing
- Hard way Worldmap editing


I think Ruby is:

Better than Firered:
- Better music (for someone)
- Easier Title Screen editing
- Easier Worldmap editing

Worse than Firered:
- Bad graphics (can be changed, you saw what DJG did to Rescue Rangers)
- Less Flying Locations

Fraot
August 27th, 2008, 07:26 PM
I think Firered is:

Better than Ruby:
- Sevii Islands, so more Flying Locations
- Better Graphics
- More Trainers
- RSE Trainer Battle Sprites, so more Battle sprites to replace
- RSE Key Items, so more items to replace

Worse than Ruby:
- No clock system
- Hard way Title Screen editing
- Hard way Worldmap editing


I think Ruby is:

Better than Firered:
- Better music (for someone)
- Easier Title Screen editing
- Easier Worldmap editing

Worse than Firered:
- Bad graphics (can be changed, you saw what DJG did to Rescue Rangers)
- Less Flying Locations

Fire Red is better than Ruby but is has a poor soundtrack. You can fis it with sappy but whatever.

Can someone help me to edit my hack's world map? (it's a Fire red one)

I can't find the stupid map either the tiles at UNLZ, i looked up for the 1000+ graphics and i didn't find anything. Every image is messed up. (i know, i sound like a noob with all this but i dunno how to see the images correctly)

Can someone tell me the indexes of the four world maps in FR? plzzz!

I was thinking on hacking Emerald but my Advance Text doesn't support Ruby, Saphire and Emelard, and many programs don't work with that versions either. (what is sad because Emerald has a VERY good soundtrack... Gold/Silver musics!!!, snif...)

Blazichu
August 27th, 2008, 08:13 PM
Hmm....don't see the need to revive month old threads.

*Locks*