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Walrein
February 23rd, 2008, 08:17 AM
I don't, or is it me too much into white nationalism?

Merzbau
February 23rd, 2008, 09:45 AM
More people: okay.

Why is it I should care? They're people too.

latioslegends
February 23rd, 2008, 09:46 AM
I enjoy having are nation very diverse so I would never oppose it.

Twinx
February 23rd, 2008, 09:57 AM
;3363154']More people: okay.
Why is it I should care?
The other point of view would be:
more people = less job opportunities.
foreign people get payed less, that's why they are wanted so much.

Personally, I'm sort of against it because I'm sick of people complaining how they can't find jobs and I just hope in the future I don't suffer from the same problem.

Gerri Shin
February 23rd, 2008, 10:34 AM
I'm ok with it as long as its done properly, not illegally.
I don't mind diversity, it brings new and interesting things into our lives.

Warheart
February 23rd, 2008, 01:06 PM
"NO, GIT THEYUM GAWDDAMN MEXICCAN OUT MAH COUNTRY!! THIS IS 'AMERICA FOR AMERICANS!!"

I don't have a problem with immigration. I mean, the people immigrating are..people too. You can't help where you're born, and I don't believe that that a country's government should be able to shut off land to people who don't already belong to a country. If they're looking to better their lives by moving to another country, good for them! i don't mind it..I mean, it has little/no impact on my life whatsoever either way.

..And most immigrants in the US are hired illegally anyways, making much lower than minimum wage, so don't pull out that "THEY'RE TAKIN' URR JOBS!!"

Wish
February 23rd, 2008, 01:10 PM
Well, I can't oppose it, seeing as my parents are immigrants themselves.

As long as it is done legally, I'm fine with it. I do believe we need a diversity of people in any country. If there was all white people, it would get pretty boring. Same goes with all Asians, or Mexicans, etc. You need a diversity to make life more interesting. My parents have good paying jobs and I'm happy with all the $$$ I have now. ^^

Gummy
February 23rd, 2008, 01:13 PM
I'm ok with it as long as its done properly, not illegally.
I don't mind diversity, it brings new and interesting things into our lives.

I agree. Diversity is nice but when it starts screwing up my future because it was done illegally, then we have a problem.

~Swish~
February 23rd, 2008, 01:17 PM
Legal Immigrants I have no problem with at all.

Illegal Immigrants, I do have a problem with. Unfortunately our government is too frightened to upset other nations by kicking these people out, and are instead giving them accomodation, and are taking away jobs from people who need them, such as disabled people who are originally from the country. There are other people affected as well of course.

Some immigrants though do get on my nerves. They come in and expect/demand buildings, religious temples, free or cheap accomodation, translators, special schools, jobs on a plate etc, and make an uproar when these things don't happen. It's like when going on holiday to a foreign country. Once you enter a different country or cross a border, it is the law, your obligation and your duty to learn, accept and obey certain law's and rule's laid down by that country, whether you like them or not. Why should this be any different for someone moving to the country instead? Instead of learning to speak english, they demand translators who cost a lot of money. Now to me that is a sign of laziness. If they decided to come to the country, the least they can do is adapt to the culture. Now of course this is only a select few immigrants, but it's happening way too often now. If a country has been courteous enough to let you come and stay there, the least you should do is show the common decency and show respect by obeying the laws and adapting to the culture.

Forgot to add, I'm from England, so my views reflect how I feel about the state of my country, not America ^^ I'll leave that to Americans for obvious reasons XD

Virtual Chatot
February 23rd, 2008, 01:41 PM
Its not that people are against Immigration, people are mad at the fact that people are coming into this country illegally. While at the same time people are patiently waiting for their chance to become citizens. It is not fair to the people who are being patient that people aren't taking America's laws into consideration.

PokeCosmo
February 23rd, 2008, 07:48 PM
This isn't Socialism, let them come and help stimulate our economy. This is America, chances are given to everyone, those who are strong and perceiving will be rewarded in America.

Just imagine our country if we didn't have Albert Einstein, he was an immigrant.

Cassino
February 24th, 2008, 09:48 AM
Britain really needs to boot a lot of people out...
If you're English, you know why. =_=

I mean, immigration is fine, just once you start to let everyone in it becomes a problem.

Gooberdued
February 24th, 2008, 02:40 PM
I am for it, 100%. If an "illegal" immigrant "took" your job, then they must be more qualified then you, and that is your problem, not theirs. :)

Although, some people may offer to do your job for less money, and yeah that sucks, but it that only means that your job isn't worth much in the first place.

Virtual Chatot
February 24th, 2008, 02:48 PM
I am for it, 100%. If an "illegal" immigrant "took" your job, then they must be more qualified then you, and that is your problem, not theirs. :)

Although, some people may offer to do your job for less money, and yeah that sucks, but it that only means that your job isn't worth much in the first place.

The problem is that they aren't respecting the system that was set in place. People who legally immigrate have to learn the country's common language, and learn other basic things such as the national anthem.

Gooberdued
February 24th, 2008, 03:08 PM
You're funny. What common language are you talking about? Sure, most people speak English, but I don't recall there ever being a law forcing people to learn English, let alone the national anthem. I don't even know the national anthem... doo do-do do do dooo...

You sound like my uncle who gets pissed off when the people start speaking Spanish around him.

"Dey terk er jerbz!"

The US Declaration of Independence states: "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among them are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness"

This applies to all men(people), not just citizens of the US, and nothing may take these rights away. Not even law.

*LuckyStarIsLucky*
February 24th, 2008, 03:18 PM
most of our grandparents/great grandparents/great great granparents so on or even our parents or ourselfs immigrated. think about that. even native americans immigrated from russia a long time ago. how can you not like immigration?

Virtual Chatot
February 24th, 2008, 03:32 PM
You're funny. What common language are you talking about? Sure, most people speak English, but I don't recall there ever being a law forcing people to learn English, let alone the national anthem. I don't even know the national anthem... doo do-do do do dooo...

You sound like my uncle who gets pissed off when the people start speaking Spanish around him.

"Dey terk er jerbz!"

The US Declaration of Independence states: "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among them are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness"

This applies to all men(people), not just citizens of the US, and nothing may take these rights away. Not even law.
I wasn't trying to centralize my post on just the United States/Mexican Border, I was trying to talk about all Countries with Immigration laws. There is a law set in place for people who want to become legal citizens of the United States, they have to learn English and other things like the National Anthem, like I previously said. This is not debate over human rights, this is a debate about people not respecting the laws set in place. It is also not fair to the people who wait years to become legal citizens that some people are going to come into my country illegally.

most of our grandparents/great grandparents/great great granparents so on or even our parents or ourselfs immigrated. think about that. even native americans immigrated from russia a long time ago. how can you not like immigration?

I am not against immigration, I am against illegal immigration. We live in a almost completely different time than one hundred years ago, there are laws in place now that restrict the amount of people that the United States can support with things like Food, water, and gas.

Certain areas can only provide so much for a certain amount of people, and the United States is already overpopulated as is. The last thing the US needs is millions of people flocking into the country that cannot provide for them. When there is not enough supply for the demand, people will turn to crime to get what they want, and the Government will probably go overboard with Social Programs which will kill the economy even more.

Gooberdued
February 24th, 2008, 04:07 PM
I wasn't trying to centralize my post on just the United States/Mexican Border, I was trying to talk about all Countries with Immigration laws. There is a law set in place for people who want to become legal citizens of the United States, they have to learn English and other things like the National Anthem, like I previously said. This is not debate over human rights, this is a debate about people not respecting the laws set in place. It is also not fair to the people who wait years to become legal citizens that some people are going to come into my country illegally.


Yes, I looked it over and it is required to be able to understand "simple words and phrases" in English to become an American citizen.

I wasn't centralizing my post on the Mexican/American border either.

Okay, so what if your country was poor, and you did not have any money to feed your family and a country who's border is only a short distance from yours is one of the richest in the world. But, you want to do the "honorable" thing and apply for citizenship. And in this scenario there are already

people who wait years to become legal citizens

And you are applying now only to find yourself at the bottom of the list. Are you going to wait for years to become a "legal citizen" while your family is struggling to survive or are you going to "hop the fence" and create a better life for your family?

It is not a person's fault that they are born into a poor family/country. Nor is it a persons own doing to be born in a prosperous country. If a person needs help, why not help them? "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you," or so the saying goes.

This is not debate over human rights, this is a debate about people not respecting the laws set in place.

I disagree, this is a debate over whether the laws are respecting human rights. And like my first post said, all humans have the unalienable right to the pursuit of happiness, and if a law is preventing this, that is a violation of their natural rights, isn't it? People who immigrate are obviously trying to make a better life for themselves and/or family.

Virtual Chatot
February 24th, 2008, 04:31 PM
Well, then maybe the United States should have more support programs going over to third world Countries. But then again, It's not completely the United States responsibility to have those sort of programs.

If the United States tries to help people's governments with Democracy, which theoretically works the best. People get angry and say that the US is trying to force its views down their throats. If this US does nothing, people will blame the the United States for not fulfilling their roll as the World's Security guard. In all instances, its a catch 22.

Enperuto
February 24th, 2008, 04:55 PM
Immigration is fine... Illegal immigration? The only reason it's illegal is because most think that if everyone could come most would and our economy would be screwed (more so than now). And that might be true...

@Heatran: That's why we go isolationist and help nobody, resign as world guardian, and let China (or the EU) take over. And that's why you vote for Ron Paul.

sims796
February 24th, 2008, 05:10 PM
Well, then maybe the United States should have more support programs going over to third world Countries. But then again, It's not completely the United States responsibility to have those sort of programs.

If the United States tries to help people's governments with Democracy, which theoretically works the best. People get angry and say that the US is trying to force its views down their throats. If this US does nothing, people will blame the the United States for not fulfilling their roll as the World's Security guard. In all instances, its a catch 22.

I unfortunately have to agree with this post. It isn't our place, nor our issue to help countries that is doing worse than the US. Once, in a video game (Resident Evil 4) the main antagonist said "No longer will the U.S. try to police the world". That one caugt my attention. If they want help, they must ask. If we try to help, as Heatran said, it will seem as if we are forcing our beliefs. If we don't help, we're still the bad guys. At the time, we must concern ourselves only with, um, ourselves.

As the issue of immigrants go, couldn't care less. in fact, the more, the merrier. However, I have less sympathy for illegal immigrants. Like it or not, it's illegal. I'm not the first to say "OMG, ITZ ILLEGAL, STOP!", but on this case, well...

Regardless, recent events made me see illegal immigrants in a better light, however. Still, there isn't much reason that they can't become legal once in the country. I'm gonna sound real cold for a sec.I understand that they might come from a hard life. They might be doing this to support their families. Unfortunate for me to say, that isn't my concern.

As for the whole "DE TUK UR JUBZ!" thing, well, that also annoys me.

I am for it, 100%. If an "illegal" immigrant "took" your job, then they must be more qualified then you, and that is your problem, not theirs. :)

Although, some people may offer to do your job for less money, and yeah that sucks, but it that only means that your job isn't worth much in the first place.

This also caught my attention. It isn't that they are more qualified at all. It's the plain fact that they accept it for money not even livable on in the U.S. That's more appealing, so out I go, in you go.

The second paragragh is just a backwards way of thinking. When you get a job to support the family, then you can say something like that. They wouldn't be so pissed at that if the job wasn't worth it. Very easy to say that if you don't work a real paying job. Plus, it is VERY aggrivating when you work all your life, pay taxes to your country, then some "stranger" mosy on in & Viola! You're replaced! & it's not even that their more qualified, but that they'll work for much less.

Still, we must remember that immigrants are people too. Just looking for a better life. we can all respect that. Then again, so is the average hard-working American. That is why there is so many issues. Immigrants I have no beef with. Illegal immigrants, I have no beef with, but I also have less sympathy for, in a black & white view.



Now, I have a HUUUUUUGE issue with immigrants who come here, then disrepect my country. If you were born here, if you live here, if you pay taxes here (do illegal immigrants pay taxes?) this is your home. Once, some guy was talking to me & my father, a reasonable disscusion. However, he started saying how his country is soo much better, how they have perfect health care, how they have such better things, yada yada yada. My dad & I said the same thing--if your country is so much better, why the hell are you here? Why aren't you there? He was a grown man, the immigrant was, so there was no "I was bought here as a child". That's just stupid.

Well, there's my long rant.

Gooberdued
February 24th, 2008, 05:40 PM
@Heatran: Actually, the government that theoretically works the best is Communism, everybody is equal, everybody gets paid the same amount. But we all know that never worked out.

I do believe that the US and other powerful countries have the responsibility to help other poorer countries, but not by turning them into a Democracy. Forcing beliefs on a country is different then giving them a house to live in or medicine to survive.

@Sims: What I was *trying* to say in that paragraph, is that if your job requires specific skills then you are less likely to be replaced for someone who will do the job for less money and lacks the skills to do it adequately. If your job requires a degree, then only someone with a degree will take that job. And you don't here many doctors saying "Dey terk er jerbz!"

But I realize that there are people who do not have the money and/or time to get a degree, which just adds a whole other layer to the complexity of the issue.

@ Ranger O'Brien: Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away, which is the fatal flaw of isolationism; but then again, going to war doesn't either (usually).

sims796
February 24th, 2008, 05:54 PM
@Sims: What I was *trying* to say in that paragraph, is that if your job requires specific skills then you are less likely to be replaced for someone who will do the job for less money and lacks the skills to do it adequately. If your job requires a degree, then only someone with a degree will take that job. And you don't here many doctors saying "Dey terk er jerbz!"

But I realize that there are people who do not have the money and/or time to get a degree, which just adds a whole other layer to the complexity of the issue.

@ Ranger O'Brien: Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away, which is the fatal flaw of isolationism; but then again, going to war doesn't either (usually).

Yeah, I was kinda speaking for the people that, well, get's replaced. That complexity is what gets many people angry. Or something like that, I'm confused.

If a doctor gets replaced, well, good riddance. Scary thought.

Doesn't isolationism turn a culture, I don't know, backwards? Or, in a better word, underdeveloped?

Zanacross
February 24th, 2008, 05:57 PM
I see nothing wrong with it unless they come in knowing no English and live off benefits while they are in the country.

sims796
February 24th, 2008, 06:00 PM
I'll let goober reply to that.

Do illegal immigrants pay taxes?

PokeCosmo
February 24th, 2008, 06:04 PM
most of our grandparents/great grandparents/great great granparents so on or even our parents or ourselfs immigrated. think about that. even native americans immigrated from russia a long time ago. how can you not like immigration?

At that time Siberia and the Tundra weren't part of Russia, it was Eskimo land.

Enperuto
February 28th, 2008, 12:04 PM
Illegal immigrants don't pay income tax, though they do pay sales tax (but then every body else does as well). That's why some propose a fair tax where income tax is eliminated and sales tax is raised to 30% or something like that.

Red1530
February 28th, 2008, 06:32 PM
The only immigration I am against is illegal immigration. I personally welcome legal immigrants to come to the United States.

Saryka
February 28th, 2008, 07:26 PM
Illegal immigration is definitely not okay in my books, but I'm all for legal immigration~

Marx
March 1st, 2008, 12:21 PM
I don't mind immagrants, I just don't like it when it's illegal.
As someone stated earlier in the thread "More people, less job opportunities"

sims796
March 1st, 2008, 12:23 PM
I don't mind immagrants, I just don't like it when it's illegal.
As someone stated earlier in the thread "More people, less job opportunities"

True, but you gotta remember, they are people just like you & me, who possibly has even worse job opportunites there.

Marx
March 1st, 2008, 12:28 PM
True, but you gotta remember, they are people just like you & me, who possibly has even worse job opportunites there.
Very true. That's why people must educate themselves so they have higher job opportunities. The less smarter a person is, the less amount of jobs are open for them. >_>

Rob462
March 1st, 2008, 12:31 PM
Well one thing i know about our country was built on immagration. And freedom was part of it people were able to immagrate to this nation but after we opened up the immagration station in Manhattan we alowed immagration. But this wasn't illegal. Now Beaners also none as mexicans. They hop Rio Grande thinking that they can get an all new fresh start in the USA. But they are illegal and bobody wants to learn their stupid ass language. I learned that over 20% of the people that live in Mexico or Mexico City are in fact illegal in there so called country.

So **** YOU BEANERS
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the beninator!!
March 3rd, 2008, 07:59 AM
as long as it's legal i'm fine