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Philman
March 13th, 2008, 11:22 PM
Just for the record "BRAWL" is extremely addicting. Snake is awesome. He OWNS.

okay, now to my bickering.... I can sum it up with this drawing I made out of rage...

http://www.iwantomakeamovie.com/graphics/56-ssbbmewtwo.jpg

Funny how the SSB team took out all the Melee Clones (Pichu, Young Link, Roy, etc.), but actually ADDED a CLONE of MEWTWO into Brawl! Were they high at this point? Were they taking some sort of pills? I used to use Mewtwo in Melee almost extensively, and now I actually enjoy beating up Lucario and his ugly shorts (yes, the thing WEARS SHORTS!) because of this pure evil. It's tragic, really tragic. I'll be referring Lucario as "The Mewtwo-clone" for all future SSBB-talk. What nerve.

THIRTY-SIX
March 13th, 2008, 11:32 PM
Alot of 4th gen fans love Lucario, weird I know. In my opinion Pke trainer replaces pichu, toon link replaces young link and Ike replaces Roy. They still have Luigi - kinda Mario clone, same as Wario. Zero Suit Samus, well they might not has the same moves but they still clones imo :P

Rebellious Treecko
March 13th, 2008, 11:42 PM
Lucario got owned.

I'm angry that Pichu, Mewtwo, Roy, Dr.Mario, and OOT Young Link got removed.
Why couldn't they've just brought back the Young Link from Melee and given Toon Link an ORIGNAL MOVESET? ffs

Lucario isn't really a clone of Mewtwo, much like how Wolf isn't too much of a clone of Fox. A few of Ike's moves are different from Roy's. (but they still have the same standard and down special moves, not to mention TEH PHIRE!!!)
Lucario's Arua Sphere might be similar to Mewtwo's Shadow Ball, but the rest of his moves are quite different. (his Double Team is more of a clone of Counter)
Mewtwo was awesome though. I didn't expect him to be removed.

Well, at least we can hope that they'll return in a 4th SSB game! *shot*

BeachBoy
March 13th, 2008, 11:56 PM
I disagree, Lucario isnt mewtwo, they are different characters and their moves are different. Ill give you the aura sphere factor.

Lucario's the new age for brawl, Now mewtwo and Lucario both move differently, have different moves and fighting styles, different throws, different B moves... I think you heard that Mewtwo was replaced by Mewtwo, and you heard wrong. Mewtwo was cut and Lucario was added, there was no replacing.

I think lucario is a great character in brawl and if played correctly, deadly. Lucario gets better with more damage, even better, Once he takes over 150% damage he's dangerous.

So Ill say I disagree. Lucario isnt Mewtwo, if he was, why is the name lucario there instead of mewtwo.

Also, even though im against the arguement, I must say that's one great drawing great work and excellently done ;D

Shadowthinker
March 14th, 2008, 01:05 AM
I think it's better to have Lucario. Since lots of people like Lucario you better have it in game so lots of people will buy it. Lol different reason

LDgamer
March 14th, 2008, 02:18 AM
well you never know they can be realsing downloadable content( from what I hear)

bobandbill
March 14th, 2008, 07:52 PM
well you never know they can be realsing downloadable content( from what I hear)

Pretty unlikely however, considering Nintendo usually doesn't do downloadable content, and that the Wii isn't the greatest console for such a thing. I think it will just stay at 35.

Lucario isn't the same as Mewtwo - only the B move is somewhat similar, and it has a different property anyway (gets stronger the weaker Lucario gets). Mewtwo... well it wasn't the most loved Smash character, to say the least. IMO he was ok, but kinda meh, and certainly weaker than other characters. But Lucario is pretty far from being a clone of Mewtwo...

To sum up - I disagree with your argument (and after all, it's Sakurai's choice, not fans' choices), but like the picture (only it isn't displaying anymore...)

Virtual Chatot
March 14th, 2008, 07:57 PM
I hate that people are so angry that Mewtwo was cut.

Over at Smashboards, people almost never talked about Mewtwo untill he was cut on Brawl.

Funny thing -.-

evilcheese
March 14th, 2008, 07:59 PM
Well i have to say that this game is awsome first of all. im almost done with the subspace emissary thing.

Well the only reason they added lucario is because it was in the fourth generation. since mew2 was the 1st they thought adding a newer pokemon to their roster would be better. but i agree i loved mew2 and used him most of the time. he was one of my faves in melee

Philman
March 15th, 2008, 07:58 AM
Lucario isn't the same as Mewtwo
Normally, clones aren't "exactly" the same. Young Link wasn't "exactly" the same that Link is
Lucario almost has the same airy animation Mewtwo has, and, while modified to have better moves,
it's really just a Mewtwo in a shorts-wearing blue-weirdo shell.

Mewtwo... well it wasn't the most loved Smash character, to say the least
One word... Jigglypuff.

starmii3
March 15th, 2008, 10:14 AM
First off, Lucario only has one move "similer" to that of mewtoo.

Secondly, everyone knows yoshi's the man in SSBB.

And thirdly, jigglypuff is good, if you know how to use her.

Alot of 4th gen fans love Lucario, weird I know. In my opinion Pke trainer replaces pichu, toon link replaces young link and Ike replaces Roy. They still have Luigi - kinda Mario clone, same as Wario. Zero Suit Samus, well they might not has the same moves but they still clones imo :P


Im a 4th Gen fan, but my love is still for Pikachu, who by the way is my favourite in Brawl (next to Yoshi).

Philman
March 15th, 2008, 06:55 PM
Solid Snake owns Brawl. Snake and Sonic... awesome dudes.

Let's just all face the truth: it was a bad call. Mewtwo should have stayed, Jigglypuff should have been replaced.

This is really just like comparing the Special DVD Edition of "Return of the Jedi" to the original, where they replaced Robert Shaw with Hayden Christensen.

Unfortunately in Pokemon-fandom, it's the other way around. We're always celebrating the "new"...

Rebellious Treecko
March 15th, 2008, 07:19 PM
Solid Snake owns Brawl. Snake and Sonic... awesome dudes.

Let's just all face the truth: it was a bad call. Mewtwo should have stayed, Jigglypuff should have been replaced.
Do you mean if Brawl only had 4 Pokemon characters?

I have gotten a little sick of the Jigglypuff and Pichu hate among smashers. ("let's use Pichu as a replacement for the Sandbag! Nah, let's use Tingle instead.")
No character should've been replaced in my opnion. :) (I'm such a n00b)

Well, at least Blaziken didn't get in.

Gummy
March 15th, 2008, 08:52 PM
Even though I do enjoy Lucario's presence, I'd trade him in a heart beat to get good ol' Mewtwo back. Seriously, I just want see how Mewtwo looks in the SSBB graphics, because all the other Pokemon look incredible.

Apathetic_Yen
March 15th, 2008, 10:36 PM
Do you mean if Brawl only had 4 Pokemon characters?

I have gotten a little sick of the Jigglypuff and Pichu hate among smashers. ("let's use Pichu as a replacement for the Sandbag! Nah, let's use Tingle instead.")
No character should've been replaced in my opnion. :) (I'm such a n00b)

Well, at least Blaziken didn't get in.

I'm down for using Tingle as the new Sandbag

Espreon
March 16th, 2008, 02:56 PM
I am angry they removed Mewtwo, and that Ridley isn't a playable character (he was the 2nd most requested to be a playable character) but no they made him a boss... At least they kept Ganondorf...

Skaterzpenguin
March 16th, 2008, 05:55 PM
I like Lucario better than mewtwo because he moves faster, has better moves and good jumping.

Jake
March 16th, 2008, 07:51 PM
I'm aggrivated now. When will people learn that clone means they are exactly the same beside the look of the moves and character?
Luigi =/= Mario. Luigi is much different. He's got Green Missle, Super Jump Punch with an added fall, Luigi Cyclone, and Negative Zone. That leaves only one move the same as Mario.

Wario =/= Mario. How could you even think him as a clone?

Lucario =/= Mewtwo. The only considerable common ground is Aura Sphere and Shadow Ball. You can't call them a clone if they're not even close to being alike!

Falco =/= Fox. Falco's Blaster is slow and stronger, his Reflector shoots out instead of in place, and his Landmaster floats allot higher. This is the only close to clone.

Wolf =/= Fox. Wolf's Blaster is slower, stronger, and shorter distanced, his over and B is diagonal instead of straight, his up and B is spiral and hits multiple times, his reflector shoots back at 200% of speed as normal, and his Landmaster is stronger and faster and lasts less.

Lucas =/= Ness. PK Freeze, PK Thunder goes through instead of stopping, PK Fire slants, his reflector absorbs damage and heals, and his PK Starstorm goes straight.

Ganondorf =/= Captain Falcon. Slower, stronger, his choke (Gerudo Dragon), and his final smash.

Toon Link =/= Link. Much faster, arrows are slower but can be turned, boomerang has no wind, bombs takes less time to explode and have a wider explosion range, and his final smash is short ranged and slashes in a circular pattern.

Does that inform you people what a clone is?

Lucario is extremely different. There's nothing you can change, Brawl is out, and there won't be DLC. Sakurai confirmed it, and the fact the Wii's internal hard-drive won't have enough memory. Lucario's in because D/P is in. They're advertising the game and the fact is - the younger audience don't know what Mewtwo is. Mewtwo got a trophy, so be satisfied with the cameo.

Rebellious Treecko
March 16th, 2008, 09:43 PM
I'm aggrivated now. When will people learn that clone means they are exactly the same beside the look of the moves and character?
Luigi =/= Mario. Luigi is much different. He's got Green Missle, Super Jump Punch with an added fall, Luigi Cyclone, and Negative Zone. That leaves only one move the same as Mario.

Wario =/= Mario. How could you even think him as a clone?

Lucario =/= Mewtwo. The only considerable common ground is Aura Sphere and Shadow Ball. You can't call them a clone if they're not even close to being alike!

Falco =/= Fox. Falco's Blaster is slow and stronger, his Reflector shoots out instead of in place, and his Landmaster floats allot higher. This is the only close to clone.

Wolf =/= Fox. Wolf's Blaster is slower, stronger, and shorter distanced, his over and B is diagonal instead of straight, his up and B is spiral and hits multiple times, his reflector shoots back at 200% of speed as normal, and his Landmaster is stronger and faster and lasts less.

Lucas =/= Ness. PK Freeze, PK Thunder goes through instead of stopping, PK Fire slants, his reflector absorbs damage and heals, and his PK Starstorm goes straight.

Ganondorf =/= Captain Falcon. Slower, stronger, his choke (Gerudo Dragon), and his final smash.

Toon Link =/= Link. Much faster, arrows are slower but can be turned, boomerang has no wind, bombs takes less time to explode and have a wider explosion range, and his final smash is short ranged and slashes in a circular pattern.

Does that inform you people what a clone is?

Lucario is extremely different. There's nothing you can change, Brawl is out, and there won't be DLC. Sakurai confirmed it, and the fact the Wii's internal hard-drive won't have enough memory. Lucario's in because D/P is in. They're advertising the game and the fact is - the younger audience don't know what Mewtwo is. Mewtwo got a trophy, so be satisfied with the cameo.
THANK. YOU. I totally agree.


Pichu =/= Pikachu. Harder to hit, up B does no damage, faster, hurts self, charged Skull Bash does more damage.
Roy =/= Marth. Heavier, powerful, B move does self damage if charged up, has teh phire.
Dr.Mario =/= Mario. Heavier, Dr.Tornado fuctions differently, Megavitamins more powerful than Fireballs.


...Just filling in the Melee roster.

Most people say that there are no "clones" anymore; the clones have been "Luigified" :|
Each character is unique.

(sorry for offtopicness)

Vegeta
March 16th, 2008, 09:46 PM
Aww man! I want to play this game! I need a wii

txteclipse
March 16th, 2008, 10:58 PM
I love Lucario, and I hated Mewtwo as much as I wanted to like him. Mewtwo floated everywhere, and his control just felt too slippery to me. As for Lucario, his controls feel tight, he has some weight to him, and he seems to survive well for me. His aura sphere goes straight, which is a vast improvement over Mewtwo's monstrosity of a B move, and I fight completely different with him. I love how all of his attacks have that little extra bit of range to them thanks to the aura, and how he gets more dangerous the more danger he's in. His counter is a welcome addition, and his forward-B move is very cool. His b-jump is better, as well.

The only thing I don't like about Lucario is his item use: it's become normal. Mewtwo's item use was a spinning wheel of death, and Lucario's is just a smack upside the head.

Kylo
March 17th, 2008, 04:53 AM
I hate that people are so angry that Mewtwo was cut.

Over at Smashboards, people almost never talked about Mewtwo untill he was cut on Brawl.

Funny thing -.-

They were too busy playing as him! ^-^

Philman
March 17th, 2008, 02:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Heatran View Post
I hate that people are so angry that Mewtwo was cut.

Over at Smashboards, people almost never talked about Mewtwo untill he was cut on Brawl.

Funny thing -.-
They were too busy playing as him! ^-^

Amen to that, Kylo!

Okay, okay, so they're not "100%" clones... but they still fit the bill as a "copy". Luigi I can forgive because he's Mario's twin and they're supposed to act alike. Same goes with other characters.
but the Mewtwo thing really feels "offensive" in a way that no one honors the classics anymore. Mewtwo was classic. Lucario feels like a cheap "okay, let's just get this Lucari-whatever it is in so we can promote Diamond and Pearl." advertisement. I think it's safe to say that all of us that grew up with the original batch don't really like this decision. To me it's like "improving" Yoshi's moves and replacing him with Toad. That's how random and unnecessary it feels to me.

Jimleko
March 18th, 2008, 03:05 PM
I grew up with the original batch, and I'm very glad to see Mewtwo go. IMO, he was a sucky character.

Lucario is in no way a clone of Mewtwo, how you can even think that is beyond me.

XunknownX
March 19th, 2008, 12:59 PM
*prepares pointless rambling*


Awesome drawing, first of all.

Unfortunately, not everyone was going to be happy when the final roster was announced. It's very easy to think of why.

Whether or not people like it more than others, depends on personal preference. Obviously, you wish Mewtwo wasn't forgotten/replaced, while others disagree, and are happy to have him out. I was happy that Marth was in it again, and yet, many people I see aren't, and usually make fun of him saying he looks like a girl or he's 'elegant'... not in a compliment way either. So I do wonder how certain ones make the cut... but when I heard what some dense people in the company thought what Zero Suit Samus meant... uh, never mind.

As for the clone thing, I'm sorry that I disagree as well. Mewtwo and Lucario are totally different, other than the Aura Sphere/Shadow Ball thing, as others have already said. Although, I liked how Mewtwo's held items would levitate in from of him when he picked them up... and the spinning light saber, and even though there are still 'clones' of other characters, they still have a different play style to get used to.

An example is Pichu. I never played him because it seems worthless since it hurts itself, but once I saw someone really play him, he didn't seem so bad. So, I also don't really think there are any 'bad' characters, it depends if you can play them correctly.

Er... point is, it's all personal preferences. As you say, "Snake, OWNS", I don't even know who he is really, and I'm not fond of him in it, and I didn't understand why so many people were excited over that.

But, Brawl is still a great game, with a lot of effort put into it, and we waited a long time for it. No game is perfect, and of course has disappointments... but that doesn't make the whole game crap, right? =)


*rambling over*

Faceless*
March 19th, 2008, 01:25 PM
Listen, Lucario is not even close to the clone of Mewtwo, the only reason people are probably getting that idea is because of it's Aura Sphere

Lucario is more the character that's mixed, he is one of the only characters that can be used for both close combat and attacking from a distance. Mewtwo was only projectile, I laugh at you if you use him for close combat. Heck now, Mewtwo isn't even a good projectile user, he has Shadow Ball and.. Confusion at the least, deflecting other projectiles. Mewtwo is outclassed by mostly all projectile users in Melee, he was only put in for fan appeal. Lucario actually has some use in the game and has it's own fan appeal. What do you miss so much of Mewtwo? Just the fact that he is Mewtwo?

Lustful_Envy
March 19th, 2008, 07:14 PM
Mewtwo‘s Shadowball moves in a spiral, Lucarios moves straight. IMO there are no clones, they just feel similiar. You also have to cover the differences in weight class and K.O. potential. The standard and smashes are also quite different.

Faceless*
March 20th, 2008, 12:09 PM
Mewtwo‘s Shadowball moves in a spiral, Lucarios moves straight. IMO there are no clones, they just feel similiar. You also have to cover the differences in weight class and K.O. potential. The standard and smashes are also quite different.

So.. what difference does it give if the projectile moves in a spiral? Nothing.

If I were to even mention weight class and K.O. potential, Mewtwo would automatically lose in both those categories (including Speed)

airconditioning
March 22nd, 2008, 03:32 PM
Funny how the SSB team took out all the Melee Clones (Pichu, Young Link, Roy, etc.), but actually ADDED a CLONE of MEWTWO into Brawl! Were they high at this point? Were they taking some sort of pills? I used to use Mewtwo in Melee almost extensively, and now I actually enjoy beating up Lucario and his ugly shorts (yes, the thing WEARS SHORTS!) because of this pure evil. It's tragic, really tragic. I'll be referring Lucario as "The Mewtwo-clone" for all future SSBB-talk. What nerve.

OH MY GOD This entire thread makes me want to punch somebody in the face. Mainly this guy.

Here it is: MEWTWO SUCKS. Sure, he was usable, but he was definitely on the bottom rung of the tier ladder.

Second, Lucario? A clone? You realize that they're not even close to being similar, don't you? The only similarities are Shadow Ball/ Aura Sphere and the floaty control. Outside of that, THEY'RE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. There are clones, granted- Link and Toon Link are pretty much exactly the same, and Falco is still extremely similar to Fox. But Lucario? No.

One word... Jigglypuff.

No. Jigglypuff was way better than Mewtwo, and is still pretty good. Hell, she was the reason I bet Event #51 in Melee.

*long winded post that is completely true*

Thank you.

Shiny Umbreon
March 22nd, 2008, 09:33 PM
I hadn't noticed this thread before.

Non-Pokémon games-related threads go in Other Games. And I'm pretty sure there are tons of SSBB threads there already.

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