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LiquidR
March 19th, 2008, 04:49 AM
A couple of days ago, I watched a scpecial about ghosts (it was aired on the Sci-Fi channel, but I downloaded the special) called Ghost Adventures.

There was a short clip where a brickstone was thrown to the other side of the room. It scared the hell out of me.

So I was wondering if anyone saw this special and what are your thoughts about ghost and have you ever got experience with paranormal stuff.

Sakura-Katana
March 19th, 2008, 05:45 AM
There are naturalistic explanations for all "ghost" sightings. No, they arn't real. I'd love to spend the night in a "haunted house" though, just to prove it.:badsmile:

Jaimes
March 19th, 2008, 06:10 AM
If they were real, why have they not been scienitfically proven and or considered 'normal' yet? I mean human existance has only been around for over 10000years...

In short, ghosts don't exist. ¬_¬

LiquidR
March 19th, 2008, 07:00 AM
If they were real, why have they not been scienitfically proven and or considered 'normal' yet? I mean human existance has only been around for over 10000years...

But what about EVP? And why did they ever created an ouija board?

This is a clip of a ghost caught on a thermo cam
http://www.ghostvideos.ws/ghost-caught-on-thermal-camera.html

Jaimes
March 19th, 2008, 07:23 AM
But what about EVP? And why did they ever created an ouija board?


The explanation behind most EVPs is simple feedback or interference- someone can interpret this anyway they feel. One person may think it to be ghostly noises, another could recognize it's the sound the wind makes, when moving through a microphone.

The ouija board is a part of the paranormal fandom, and has been used as a party trick used by mediums, skeptics and frauds. The real reason behind it's apparent ghostly communication has only recently been discovered.
I admit it works, but the reasons are due to Ideomotor Motion, a psychological phenomon caused by unconcious muscle movement and not works of the spook. I actually posted it in another thread (http://www.pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=3401205&postcount=22) which explains how it works.


Like I said- when someone says they believe in ghosts, ask them WHY? How do they appear? When billions have died, why are there so few? What about animal ghosts? How do they think without a CNS?
Logical reasons against there existance are virtually endless. If there was so much evidence and proof behind them, surely they would actually be approached without skepticism by a well educated/scientific community.


This is a clip of a ghost caught on a thermo cam
http://www.ghostvideos.ws/ghost-caught-on-thermal-camera.html
From the show "Ghost Hunters", likely another marketing ploy and also from an unreliable source with no scientific support. However heres a better video of a ghost being caught on a surveilance camera. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo8CP9Hhb58)

Goatman56
March 19th, 2008, 08:25 AM
I don't want to say they exist, but when I hear noises in my house, they are the first things I blame.

Cassino
March 19th, 2008, 11:04 AM
Hard question for me to answer, a way of putting it would be "yes, but not in the Western sense".

LiquidR
March 19th, 2008, 11:06 AM
Hard question for me to answer, a way of putting it would be "yes, but not in the Western sense".
What do you mean, 'not in the Western sense'?

Forci Stikane
March 19th, 2008, 11:43 AM
From personal experience: yes they do. It may not be in the traditional "Ooooo~ I'm going to haunt youuuuuuu~~" Casper-style sense, but they DO exist.

Gummy
March 19th, 2008, 12:44 PM
I'm going to say yes because I refuse to believe that one's fate is to simply turn to dust after they die.

Sakura-Katana
March 19th, 2008, 03:04 PM
I'm going to say yes because I refuse to believe that one's fate is to simply turn to dust after they die.

You can have a belief in an afterlife without a belief in ghosts.

22sa
March 19th, 2008, 03:09 PM
You can have a belief in an afterlife without a belief in ghosts.
Then what do you call them? Spirits? Which are basically ghosts? o_o

Himiko_Herosheme
March 19th, 2008, 03:10 PM
...hum.......Ghosts?

i.....like to call them spirits........

and yes i do believe they are real..........i have seen one

....

Just don't....go crying if you actually see one if you don't believe in them....

Sakura-Katana
March 19th, 2008, 03:39 PM
Then what do you call them? Spirits? Which are basically ghosts? o_o

I belive that people do have spirits, but I don't think that they wander around the earth after death. I think that so called "ghosts" are just people's overactive imaginations, or other natural phenomina.

Gummy
March 19th, 2008, 03:48 PM
I belive that people do have spirits, but I don't think that they wander around the earth after death. I think that so called "ghosts" are just people's overactive imaginations, or other natural phenomina.

I pretty much classify beings that have something to do with the afterlife as ghosts. zombies, sprits, souls --> All ghosts to me.

menace64
March 19th, 2008, 11:52 PM
Hard question for me to answer, a way of putting it would be "yes, but not in the Western sense".

And that, I think, is as close as the correct answer can get.

I am one of those people that have had paranormal experiences his entire life. There is no shortage of these incidents (and in a moment I will tell in-full the most perplexing of them), but I must say that - for the most part - I am at a loss to point a finger at a cause. I am a spiritual person, but to pin guilt on a 'ghost' is a bit vague. As this fellow said, most people see ghosts in the Western sense... which is a spook of the deceased who inhabits a place of prior importance. Maybe that is true, maybe it is not. But I've made purposeful treks to several old houses that have been turned into museums and almost all of the tour leaders I've spoken to about this think that hauntings occur.

Now, on to my stories. Note that these all happened to ME (except in the case of one story, which revolved around my older brother). I am not an exaggerator. What I'm writing is straight as it happened. I'll try and make this as chronological as possible, and I'll offer as much information against the paranormal that I can. After all, even with all of these incidents, I still hold myself be a skeptic.

Occurrence One The first memory of my entire life. I was probably around two years old and I had been put to bed for the night. I awoke in the middle of the night (a rarity for a deep-sleeper like me) drenched in a cold-sweat. I was deathly afraid for some reason and began to cry out for my mother across the hall. Then, from behind me, came the most-hideous noise I have ever heard. It was a deep, freezing "shhhh". I've never forgotten the sound.

Now, that is a very weak story. I only put it here because I feel there's enough personal evidence to warrant inclusion. Objectively, however, it's pretty worthless. I was a baby. I promise the rest will be a lot more informative.

Occurrence Two
Fast forward several years. I am now seven years old, and my family is looking to move across town. A lot of the early parts of this story has little to do with me directly, so for now I will be drawing upon what my parents and older brother have described.

My dad found a house. It was selling cheaply in a nice neighborhood. The residents wanted to close quickly and get out, but would never really clarify why. My dad jokingly asked if the place was haunted (My dad was a skeptic at the time, as you'll see), to which he got no reply. Regardless of the reasons, we bought the house and moved in.

Within the first week, my dad and older brother were stricken with some kind of illness. They missed a lot of work and school, respectively. Tension in the house was running high; my dad was working a lot of late-nights whenever he could manage and there wasn't a lot of sleep going on.

I remember lying on the floor of my room with my door closed. I was reading through a little picture-Bible my mother bought for me. I was alone. And then my lightswitch flicked off. I heard it go off, and I had to turn it back on. This was a minor event at the time, and only years later do I see it as something truly unexplainable... and frightening.

One night, it was just my mom and us three brothers. We were hanging out in the kitchen. My older brother was feeling especially sick and said he was going upstairs to get some medicine from the medicine drawer. He went upstairs, with the family cat following close behind (for whatever reason, she began following him everywhere after we moved).

A minute went by, and that's when I recall him jumping down the staircase and running into my mother's arms. He was dead-white. He was hyperventilating. All he could say was, "Upstairs... something" over and over. My mom was under the impression that there was an intruder and we were about to leave out the back door. But my older brother started to calm down and explained that something - not a person - was upstairs.

My mom felt compelled to investigate. She grabbed me and my brothers and we started to climb the stairs. I remember going up, and then looking down the hall. There, I saw the medicine drawer opened fully. I thought little of it, but I was terrified.

My older brother told us what happened. He went upstairs to get the medicine. Finding what he needed, he closed the drawer and turned back towards the staircase. At the end of the hall, he felt what he described as a cold wind move through him. Both he and the cat were frozen by it. He turned around again... and he watched as the drawer opened by itself. That was when he ran back to the kitchen.

After that, my older brother refused to sleep alone. On some nights he would try, but he would wake up feeling worse than before. So we started to share beds. A few weeks later, my dad was in the basement watching TV with my mother. Real quickly, this house was a split-level. The basement was directly underneath the upstairs (where the bedrooms were located). So anyone walking around upstairs can be heard from the basement.

During the night, my parents heard footsteps starting at one end of the hall and walk back and forth from end to end. It never slowed down, and it always stopped just short of the staircase leading downstairs. After a while, my parents decided to investigate. They figured it was one of us boys.

So they came upstairs. Everything was fine, until they looked in my room. I was asleep, but my older brother was on top of me, slapping me and shaking me trying to wake me up. He was dead-white again. He was hysterical. He told my parents that he saw... something... moving through the hallway. But he never did, to this day, elaborate on what he saw.

After that, my mom called in the church preacher to help fix the situation. He blessed a cross and gave it to my brother, and did some other things I'm not familiar with. After that, the problems went away. For a while.

Occurrence Three
A few years down the road, my older brother moved out for college. I moved into his old room. That was probably not a very good idea, as I noticed issues with the room almost immediately. At least once a week my door would, uh, convulse, during the night. It would shake and rattle as if someone were holding on to the knob and tugging repeatedly.

And then one night, my radio started moving on its own.

And then, as the summer after my sophomore year began, things started focusing on me. I had just gone to bed one night - I had literally just put my head on my pillow - when I had physical contact with this thing. I felt a hard slap strike me on the cheek. It was like getting hit in the face with a basketball. It was so jarring that my eyes flew open. Then I gathered my blankets and decided to not go into my bedroom at night. I started sleeping elsewhere. But whatever was in the house followed me wherever I went.

I slept for a while in the front living room. It was around this time that the family cat began following *me* everywhere, almost a direct echo of what happened to my older brother years before. But she would sleep on my chest every night. On one night, the most evil experience of my life occurred. Honestly, I tend to skip this story when I tell people these occurrences... it just scares the pants off of me.

But I was trying to sleep when that cold wind hit me. The room seemed to get a lot smaller. The cat tried to leap off my chest and run away, but I quickly grabbed her and squeezed her close to me. I think she knew, just as I did, that something very bad was about to happen.

I felt it when it came into the room. My eyes were shut, but it was a presence I'll never forget. The only way I can describe the next hour or so was an assault of images... I was force-fed pictures of the most abhorred ideas, things that I don't think anyone should see.

I don't remember falling asleep that night, but I didn't talk for a few days afterwards. Eventually I told my mom about it, and told her I had to move to another room. This time, I moved to the downstairs office (the office was in turn moved upstairs). That seemed to solve the problem once and for all. I can't explain why me going down to another bedroom would protect me from whatever was in that house. I won't even try.

Occurrence Four
Now, this part is the most-thrilling and light-hearted of all the stories I have. I genuinely enjoy telling this stuff. All of this occurred within the same two-week period. I was 17. I was in the state band of Kansas, on tour in western Europe. I didn't go overseas looking for the paranormal. It found me.

The first story takes place in Champery, Switzerland - a small village nestled deep in the Swiss Alps. It's a beautiful place (especially for a Kansan who can barely imagine what real mountains look like), made more beautiful by the rich culture of the village.

I was put into a rustic little hotel located at the base of a mountain, just behind the main stretch of village. The hotel was actually risen above the village atop a small hill. A very classic, serene location. I could see the entire village from there. When I got inside, I was given my room number: 27. To get to room 27, I had to go up a flight of stairs, down a hall, up another flight of stairs, then down another hallway. In that hallway there were only two rooms, 27 and 28. They were completely isolated from the rest of the hotel.

I explored the room a bit, and found a small mini-room behind the main room. The mini-room had just enough space for a bed and a dresser. I immediately claimed it as mine (you try spending over a week with a bunch of stinky teenagers in close quarters and not jump at the idea of being by yourself!). So I unpacked my stuff and hit the town.

I came back a few hours later; the sun had gone down. I walked into the hotel and was hit by that now-familiar cold wind. I knew at once the implications of that feeling. I said to myself, "This place is haunted. Something is going to happen tonight." I went on to warn some of my friends (the residents of rooms 27 and 28, as well as some others throughout the hotel). They scoffed at the idea, but I told them to just watch and wait.

I gave up my mini-room to another guy. I slept with two others in the adjoining main room. After light's out, we laid there discussing what causes hauntings. We never felt anything in the room. But the guys in 28 were not so lucky. About an hour after light's out, they started to scream and rand into our room. They were yelling my name in disbelief... something had happened just as I'd predicted.

According to them, they were all lying down for sleep when their lights started turning on and off rapidly. Not the lights, but the light switch. They could see no one doing it. And some of my friends in another room didn't sleep a wink; the whole night, something kept knocking on their door and whispering outside. They never saw anyone either.

The next morning I got a lot of reports of paranormal activity. I felt pretty cool, having called it in the air... but I was highly skeptic because nothing happened directly to me. I went to breakfast kind of disappointed, to tell the truth. I ate pretty quickly and started heading back to my room. I was alone.

Then, from a few feet ahead of me, I began to hear what can only be described as two girls giggling. It was odd, because I knew no one was around. I don't know why I did it, but I started to follow the sound. And with every step I took towards it, it seemed to move that much further away. In this fashion, the giggling lead me on a chase through the hotel. I eventually followed it up a tall spiral staircase. By now, I was utterly lost.

I turned a corner, and at the end of the hallway was one black door. Nothing else. The giggling lead me to the threshold, and suddenly the sounds was behind the door. It was then that I came to my senses, realized that I had made a very stupid decision, and turned tail and RAN. I ran as fast as I could through the hotel and out the front door. I was scared out of my skin.

But after that, nothing further happened. Until I got to Germany. This is the final part of my European stories.

I was sitting in another hotel room at 11:14 in the morning. I was reading Dune for the third time. I was alone in my room with the door shut. From where I was sitting, I could see the door perfectly.

As I was reading, the door slowly began to open. By this point, I had become so jaded and accustomed to the paranormal, that my only reaction was a shrug. I looked up from my book and said aloud, "You know, anyone can open a door. I'm not impressed."

I went back to the book. But a moment later, that door slammed as hard as I think any door could ever slam. I looked up again, still unshaken. "I can slam a door too. Leave me alone. I'm reading."

Then the door opened again. I said nothing, choosing to ignore whatever was there. And nothing else happened.

I spoke to my youth pastor about that incident when I got back, and he told me I had no idea what I could have been dealing with. He was thankful that I didn't get hurt.

Occurrence Five
Going back in time a ways... when I was nine years old I was at a friend's house in his unfinished basement. I was, like always, by myself. At that point in time, the unfinished basement had only one source of light: a small pullstring light affixed to the ceiling. I remember looking right at it and then seeing it pull itself off. I was terrified and didn't go back over to that house for a while.

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Those are the big stories I've got. I have a number of personal experiences with ESP, telepathy, and UFOs. But I think those are going to be saved for more-appropriate threads.

Everything I wrote is factual and as they actually happened. Like I said, I'm more than happy to discuss the merits of each story. If you can convince me that something I saw or heard or felt was not what I believe it to be, then I'd be happy to abandon my belief that ghosts or spirits inhabit this Earth. After all, I'm still highly skeptical of all this.

LiquidR
March 20th, 2008, 12:23 AM
wow, menace64. That is some freaky stuff you've been through. The only thing I can remember (I was four, my parents were in a hospital giving birth to my sister) is someone or something walking around on the second floor in my house.

It looked like a female in white. She was closing the door of my bedroom after she left it. She suddenly was 'sinking' (?) thrue the floor.

I don't know if it was a dream or not, but it was really cold underneath my blanket.

Jaimes
March 20th, 2008, 04:36 AM
Those are the big stories I've got. I have a number of personal experiences with ESP, telepathy, and UFOs. But I think those are going to be saved for more-appropriate threads.

Everything I wrote is factual and as they actually happened. Like I said, I'm more than happy to discuss the merits of each story. If you can convince me that something I saw or heard or felt was not what I believe it to be, then I'd be happy to abandon my belief that ghosts or spirits inhabit this Earth. After all, I'm still highly skeptical of all this.

Sorry, but someone relating a 'personal experience' is never a reliable source. Especially when its dated back from years ago. I wasn't remotely convinced by your long stories and could easily point out a load of plotholes.
Most of these 'occured' when you were less than 10 as well, when a childs brain is not only easily foolable, but also in a stage where you over rely on visual occurences to draw conclusions. Not once did you actually 'see a ghost', but more of saw an event which can be easily explained without falling on the paranormal.

I'd also like to point out, that a skeptic will never believe somethng without there being enough evidence. If someone believes in ghosts, then typically they will notice spooky occurences throughout their life and attritube even the slightest natural phenomena (or even electrical hitches) to them.
An example was a test study, when a volunteer spent a night in a 'haunted house' and left an hour later traumatized, due to 'ghostly occurences'. In reality the house was newly built and had no previous knowledge of any hauntings and subjects slept easily inside the normal house.
So if you believe in something, then you'll attribute even the weakest evidence to support it.. overexaggerate it and disregard conflicting evidence.

When a story is told from a first person, it is always overexaggerated and through time, other information that discredits the event is ignored or simply forgotten. You even said that "I genuinely enjoy telling this stuff", overexaggeration is usually something done to make a better story. Most of this occurs unconciously...though honestly you do sound to me, a bit gullible.

"I have a number of personal experiences with ESP, telepathy, and UFOs" - also massively damages any reliability from your story. Especially how you've been lucky enough to experience 4 different paranormal events.. considering they haven't even been fully proven (and are easily debunked). Like I said, if you believe in something, then you're going to associate insignificant occurences with it, reinforcing you're belief.
Since I'm skeptical, I never will experience ghosts/esp/telepathy/the flying spaghettie monster- because I can tell that there are normal causes behind occurences.

ShadowofTime01
March 20th, 2008, 11:47 AM
Honestly, I want to believe. I've met people with the sight, channelers, and mediums. Some seemed fake, others, i'm not so sure. I used to know a girl who could see people's auras, eventually she told me once that she's able to see auras of things that aren't there. I wish i could see what they see.

Medically, it looks like these people have brain damage of some sort, or an extra area of their mind is working when it should be a dead zone. the same way ghosts are considered EMPs or such. I honestly don't know what to think... Until i experience such phenomena for myself, i'll probably remain a skeptic. But i don't doubt those close to me that are legitly believers in this because it is their choice to do so.

Merzbau
March 20th, 2008, 12:06 PM
I don't believe for a minute anyone that tells me every single documented video of so-called "ghosts", every single photograph, every single story, every single shred of evidence pointing to them, is completely fake and nonsense.

If an afterlife exists, I don't see why not. Whatever these "things" are, they seem logical and the evidence speaks for itself. Works for me.

Besides, almost everyone reading this will know for sure if they're real within about 100 years from personal experience.

gizmo1
March 20th, 2008, 08:50 PM
if you dont believe in ghosts than you will die in vain. the reason why is because there are 3 gods in one which is called the trinity, god the god, god the son, and god the holy ghost.

ShadowofTime01
March 21st, 2008, 01:02 AM
if you dont believe in ghosts than you will die in vain. the reason why is because there are 3 gods in one which is called the trinity, god the god, god the son, and god the holy ghost.
...ok... so what you're saying is that Christianity is polytheistic religion?

I'll probably die in vain anyways, trying to go out saving the world or make it better or something... maybe ala ghostbusters...

Amachi
March 21st, 2008, 02:49 AM
if you dont believe in ghosts than you will die in vain. the reason why is because there are 3 gods in one which is called the trinity, god the god, god the son, and god the holy ghost.

ugh, I would take the time to properly instruct you on Christian theology, but instead I'll mention that you shouldn't squash religion down other's throats here.

And I don't believe in ghosts.

Dani_X
March 21st, 2008, 03:30 AM
Yeah, i believe them. I took a photo from one. I was in a pitch-black cave, seeing some rocks and water. And we entered a small room. At the bottom, a white light, It was small. We came more close and, OMG! We simply ran way. Me and one friend took a photo of him, far away, but my mobile has a lot of zoom. I can show the picture if you want.
My television going on and off while I was in the bed really spooked me too. My door at night opens a lot of times, and I feel a lot of cold winds. My parents don't believe me. D:<

Jaimes
March 21st, 2008, 06:06 AM
if you dont believe in ghosts than you will die in vain. the reason why is because there are 3 gods in one which is called the trinity, god the god, god the son, and god the holy ghost.

KK I'm gonna 'die in vain'. Good evidence and argument you babbled there.

Yeah, i believe them. I took a photo from one. I was in a pitch-black cave, seeing some rocks and water. And we entered a small room. At the bottom, a white light, It was small. We came more close and, OMG! We simply ran way. Me and one friend took a photo of him, far away, but my mobile has a lot of zoom. I can show the picture if you want.
I don't get it... Why is that when people do say they've 'seen a ghost' they always leg it? If I saw a ghost (which is massively unlikely since they don't exist), I'd try to get some decent evidence of it and get a better understanding of it. Running away is such a cliched thing to do.. and totally makes any experience less reliable- since you're not thinking rationally and wasting the chance to get some good proof. I mean what's the worst a ghost could do? O_o
Yayaya, a pic would be fun.. though I could probably do some tricks and debunk it ^^

Chibi-chan
March 21st, 2008, 06:20 AM
Yeah, I do believe in ghosts. A couple of years ago, me and my friends were stupid enough to do a séance. We didn't know who to call, I said we should do Elvis or some relative of someone, but someone else said Laura Peterson, who was a lady that had just recently been found in a freezer...with her head cut off. So, it was 12AM and we were in the upstairs part of my friends house, calling the spirit. Right when we asked for a sign of her presence, we heard a two thuds on the roof. I remember it as clear as day o.o; Me and my friends freaked, quickly unlit everything, and called it away. We all thought that maybe it was from downstairs. But then two seconds later, her mom was like, "What are you all moving upstairs?! You better not be throwing any chairs!" Then we flipped out. No one slept that night @_@

Sakura-Katana
March 21st, 2008, 09:20 AM
Yeah, i believe them. I took a photo from one. I was in a pitch-black cave, seeing some rocks and water. And we entered a small room. At the bottom, a white light, It was small. We came more close and, OMG! We simply ran way. Me and one friend took a photo of him, far away, but my mobile has a lot of zoom. I can show the picture if you want.
My television going on and off while I was in the bed really spooked me too. My door at night opens a lot of times, and I feel a lot of cold winds. My parents don't believe me. D:<

There are natural explanations for all of those events. Cameras produce odd light effects all the time, and your TV might have been malfunctioning. If your door kept opening, and you felt winds, I'd make sure to shut all the windows in your house.;)

♣Gawain♣
March 22nd, 2008, 03:45 AM
Of course they're real! They're the unrest spirits of the dead, either visiting their loved ones or seeking for revenge...

destinedjagold
March 22nd, 2008, 04:17 AM
I've seen videos in YouTube, in Discovery Channel...
I've heard of rumors, and even heard someone shouted in our school, but I never saw any, nor felt any...

So, it's a 50-50... :)

Dani_X
March 22nd, 2008, 06:28 AM
There are natural explanations for all of those events. Cameras produce odd light effects all the time, and your TV might have been malfunctioning. If your door kept opening, and you felt winds, I'd make sure to shut all the windows in your house.;)

It was in a cavern, not a cave, sorry. The Mira'd'Aire Caverbn, very well known here in Portugal. It wasn't in my house. I felt cold winds and noises.

Armegeddenmon
March 23rd, 2008, 05:42 AM
They are real. My dad even proves it. He can talk with them.

Richard Lynch
March 23rd, 2008, 03:32 PM
They are real. My dad even proves it. He can talk with them.

I think that would be classified as schizophrenia.

Anyways, no I don't believe in ghosts. Scientifically impossible. All energy in us, when we die, comes out in some way; usually with twithces, or farts, and other gas leaving our body. So the energy debate goes out the window.

Although, there was this one time...

A friend and I were walking around the music building at my college late one night, after I played piano for a while. We were on the third floor, about to walk down the stairs,when I thought I heard what sounded like a young girl crying out, very softly. I thought nothing of it until I went to my friend, "Did you hear that?" and he agreed. And when I asked what it sounded like, he said, "A little girl." That kind of scared me a bit, and when I yelled out, "Is anyone here?", there was no answer. But all rational logic moves me away from the idea of ghosts.

Revendusman
March 25th, 2008, 06:23 AM
Ghosts exist in the pokemon world, but no other world.

Eos Aduro
March 25th, 2008, 03:25 PM
Well, I am a strong believer in ghosts, but once again not in the stupid sheet with the holes cut out crap. One thing I knwo for a fact is that matter never disappears, just gets reformed. So why not the human soul? It matters to me! Ok enough of this silliness.

But me not being a jester here, ghosts have4 got a LOT of propaganda around them, and Im not much for like haunted houses. I mean, is a spirit is on the earth, then yes, it will probably stick around a place its familiar to, but having a sighting at the exact same spot all the time is just stupid. I mean, its a person, not a stupid parlor trick. And ghosts hucking stuff across rooms and rattling doors and stuff for me is a no go. If its an evil ghost, it will probably try something WAY freakier than throwing a lamp at your head.

And I have had two related cases of seeing a ghost, one of them was most probably a dream, the other Im not so sure about. Well, Im canadian, and from when I was 5-7 i lived on this island called Newfoundland, which is like this sad rock with 500 000 people living on it. And we lived in this old house that looked kind of Victoriany. And one night, I woke up, and there was what seemed to be a ghost in my room. It was, sadly, which is why I think this was a dream, a white lady pretty much. Well, she was wearing a white dress, and was all white, etc etc. She was standing on the side of my bed, then smiled and nodded at me, then left through the window, which was closed. Ok so yeah, probably a dream. But MAn I was freaked.

The other time was actually kind of ijn a funny spot, which is what makes me believe it was a true sighting the most. I was walking down the sidewalk of this crowdeds strip mall place, and there was a bunch of flowers by a lightpost and were there because a woman had been hit by a bike there early one morning and had died. So walking along, 1:00 in the afternoon, and I see a woman in a bicycle helmet smelling the flowers and smiling, and then I blinked, and she was gone.

Ok, those are REALLY corny, but both true.

Jaimes
March 25th, 2008, 07:05 PM
One thing I knwo for a fact iAs that matter never disappears, just gets reformed. So why not the human soul? It matters to me! Ok enough of this silliness.

If you ask any decent teacher- they'll say that the system that decides how we live, think and have emotions is our CNS (brain and spine)...
so what would a soul be for? where and what is a soul? is it an invisible blue aura that floats in our chest? If it actually existed how come it can't be seen? wouldn't there be zillions of souls floating about then?
A soul is just another thing of belief and clearly something that people wrongly use as 'evidence'.

Also, even if ghosts did exist, how the hell would they have clothes? let alone a biking helmet. Clothes are hardly spiritual. Can't they be naked or look like blobs of light? Do they get to keep their same hairdo as well? or do they look the same as how they die? O_o


Yeah... any 'true' ghost story always has a load of flaws in. -_-

Scales
March 25th, 2008, 07:08 PM
I have to say I believe in ghosts. I have for a very long time. But there is nothing that can sway me since there is no proof that they do exist. But you do know that there is no proof that they don't exist. So its a double sided argument and is more opinion then fact

Also with the question of a Soul. Souls are more your consciousness and your true identity. They don't exist in a physical sense but more in a spiritual sense.

I think that ghosts appear in whatever way they want to appear. Now that they aren't in bodies anymore then can manipulate what their appearance is

Jaimes
March 25th, 2008, 07:15 PM
I have to say I believe in ghosts. I have for a very long time. But there is nothing that can sway me since there is no proof that they do exist. But you do know that there is no proof that they don't exist. So its a double sided argument and is more opinion then fact

There's no proof the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist.... as a result I totally believe in that.

Kidding obviously- and that's just a silly argument.. but there are logical and rational reasons why ghosts wouldn't exist. If something did exist..why wouldn't there be proof? O_o

sims796
March 25th, 2008, 09:52 PM
There's no proof the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist.... as a result I totally believe in that.

Kidding obviously- and that's just a silly argument.. but there are logical and rational reasons why ghosts wouldn't exist. If something did exist..why wouldn't there be proof? O_o

This post reminds me alot about this post:

And I think you're very arrogant to come in here and say "Oh my, you're wrong and I'm right". All Sea_Guardian said is she doesn't believe in aliens because the Bible says nothing about them going around (the base of the Christian religion). So why not just take it at that and think "I respect that you don't believe in aliens, but I see it a different way" (truthfully, I don't agree the way Ausaudriel worded his post in reply to Queen Boo)? Would that have been so hard? But you come in here and go "OMG you're wrong, here's "facts" so there, I'm right." (and really, if given enough time I could shoot evolution full of holes. If you say evolution is the truth then I can show a few things that counters that. But that's another topic). That's why I hate topics like this, people can't just post saying "Well, this is the way I see things" and then leave it at that. Someone just has to come along and reply to one person saying "OMG You're wrong!" and then it snowballs from there.

She said she believes, gave her reasoning why. If someone believes in a "flying spagetti monster" as the forms of ghost, well, make sure you prove em' wrong first. No one is allowed to say "I believe, these are my reasons" anymore--they must follow a standard of "reasonable thinking".


Regardless, no, I don't think they exist. Although I'd love to know what happens when we die. I know it's nonsense, but I can't help but shudder when I walk down the street at night.

Scales
March 25th, 2008, 10:07 PM
Kidding obviously- and that's just a silly argument.. but there are logical and rational reasons why ghosts wouldn't exist. If something did exist..why wouldn't there be proof? O_o

I understand that. But in some cases life wouldn't be that interesting if we didn't believe in anything

Anyway even though I slightly believe in ghosts i'd rather push for Reincarnation. Since it seems much more tempting and worth while then floating around time and space for eternity.

Revendusman
March 25th, 2008, 11:07 PM
I understand that. But in some cases life wouldn't be that interesting if we didn't believe in anything

Anyway even though I slightly believe in ghosts i'd rather push for Reincarnation. Since it seems much more tempting and worth while then floating around time and space for eternity.
i'D PUSH For immortality ITS about as LIEKLY as ghosts and REINCARNATION...SORRY FOR CAps.

Bear
March 26th, 2008, 08:13 AM
I don't want to say they exist, but when I hear noises in my house, they are the first things I blame.

^ Total ditto.

In broad daylight though, I can't say I believe in them. Just like UFO's, there just isn't any viable evidence.

♣Gawain♣
March 26th, 2008, 10:33 PM
As long there's witnesses, most people will incline on believing them.