Need team Help

[Silver Fang]

Here they are:)
Salamence, Dragon Fang
Intimidate
Lax

Draco Meteor
Dragon Pulse
Fly
Crunch

Espeon, ???
synchronize
quirky

psychic
shadow ball
???
???

Tyranitar, Dread plate
Sand Stream
Adamant

Stone Edge
Earthquake
Crunch
Outrage

Milotic, Mystic Water
Marvel Scale
Gentle

Surf
Ice Beam
Aqua Tail
Recover

Metagross, mind plate
Clear Body
Docile

Earthquake
Meteor Mash
Hammer Arm
Psychic

Porygon Z, None
Adamant
Download

Thunderbolt
Tri Attack
Signal Beam
Recover

Still trying to decide on the move for espeon

Please Help:D

P.S I am now in the process of EV train my pokemon.

[Britney Spears]

EV Training is necessary for success. Please learn how to do it or you'll never win a competitive battle.

[Silver Fang]

EV Training is necessary for success. Please learn how to do it or you'll never win a competitive battle.

would you mind helping me learn how then, or give me a link if there is a thread for it

[airconditioning]

Stickies.
http://pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=123757

I don't think it would do us much good to rate this team. Learn more about competitive battling, then make a new team.

[Espreon]

OK, get rid of any Plates or things like Mystic Water and such. They hardly give a bonus, your better off with things like Life Orb, Expert Belt and so on.

Drop Aqua Tail off of Milotic as he is inadept at physical moves. And try getting a Milotic with the Bold nature (decreases Attack for Defense).

For Porygon-Z get one with Timid nature (decreases Attack for Speed) as Adamant just hampers its power.

As for Glaceon get rid of Ice Fang as he is inadept at physical moves.

As for Salamence, he is more adept at Physical moves but having Draco Meteor can get some Physical walls as people would often expect him to know only Physical attacks (AFAIK).

[SmallBait]

I'm not going to comment on this team. I'm just not going to. You need to learn ev training, and you need to get better items, and tyranitar = outrage? since when can tyranitar learn outrage? anyone tell me? because i don't think it learns it.

[Espreon]

I'm not going to comment on this team. I'm just not going to. You need to learn ev training, and you need to get better items, and tyranitar = outrage? since when can tyranitar learn outrage? anyone tell me? because i don't think it learns it.

He learns it as an egg move. In addition he could learn it since Generation II.

[airconditioning]

As for Salamence, he is more adept at Physical moves but having Draco Meteor can get some Physical walls as people would often expect him to know only Physical attacks (AFAIK).

Actually, SpecsMence is fairly common, I hear.

Salamence @ Choice Specs
Modest
252 Spd/ 252 SAtk/ 6 HP
- Draco Meteor
- Dragon Pulse
- Flamethrower
- Hydro Pump

Switch in, Draco Meteor, get out. Don't forget, Mence has 110 base SAtk- not bad at all.

EDIT: Yep, Tar learns Outrage. I remember when breeding for my DDTar, all of the offspring knew Dragon Dance and Outrage.

[sims796]

What is Tar? All these acronyms, I forgot what Tar stands for.

[Espreon]

What is Tar? All these acronyms, I forgot what Tar stands for.

I think its just short for Tyranitar.

[SmallBait]

Here they are:)
Salamence, Life Orb
Intimidate
Lax
Evs: Spd 252, Att 252, Hp 6

Dragon Claw
Dragon Dance/Earthquake
Fire Blast
Of your choice.

This one is sad in many ways.
Glaceon, Something besides this.
Snow Cloak
Modest
I don't know what stats glaceon specializes in, so i won't say any evs.

Blizzard
Ice Fang
???
???

I don't know anything about glaceon except it's type basically.
Tyranitar, Leftovers
Sand Stream
Adamant
Evs: Attack 252, Hp 252, Spd 6

Stone Edge
Earthquake
Crunch
Outrage

Outrage? How did you teach it that? Anyway, this one is alright.
Milotic, Don't ever do mystic water.
Marvel Scale
Gentle
Evs: Def 252, Speed 252, Hp 6

Surf
Ice Beam
Hypnosis
Recover
If you have surf, you don't need aqua tail.
Metagross, Something else....
Clear Body
Docile

Earthquake
Meteor Mash
Thunderpunch
Explosion

Docile nature just has to go.
Porygon Z, Expert Belt, cmon give it an item.
Adamant
Download

Thunderbolt
Tri Attack
Ice Beam/ Dark Pulse
Recover

It's alright i guess, but not that much of a help, but still, it's good.
Still trying to decide on Glaceon

Please Help:D

You need to learn the concept of giving pokemon better items and giving EVERY pokemon that you use Evs. Don't worry, i had to learn the hard way, so your not the only one.

P.S I do not EV train any of my pokemon.

So yes, i have explained what i mean. So sorry if you thought i was too harsh on you.

[sims796]

Oh yeah. I went over all the Tars, but I was stuck on "Magmotar', haha.

[airconditioning]

TyrantiTAR. Just think of these things in context. ;)

EDIT: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Gamerman/Image%20Macros/079.png

[Britney Spears]

Outrage is terrible on Tyranitar by the way. Without the STAB, it's just a move asking for someone to come in and revenge kill you.

[SmallBait]

oh so it can learn outrage.... hehe. anyway i've posted my thoughts about my team, and there they are.

[Silver Fang]

hm I think I'll go ev train em and change some of the items, but can you ev train someone at lv 100?

And Also thanks to all of you:D

P.S I got outrage on XD Gale of Darkness, the larvitar came with it.

[Dani_X]

Here they are:)
Salamence, Choice Scarf
Intimidate
Naughty - 80 atk / 252 spd / 176 sp.atk

Dragon Claw
Draco Meteor
Flamethrower
Brick Break

Glaceon @ Leftovers
Snow Cloak
Modest, 252 sp.atk / 252 hp / 4 spd

Fake Tears
Wish
Ice Beam
HP Fighting

Tyranitar @ Life Orb / Blackglasses
Sand Stream
Jolly, 252 spd / 252 atk / 4 hp

Stone Edge / Pursuit
Earthquake
Crunch
Dragon Dance

Milotic @ Leftovers
Marvel Scale
Bold, 252 hp / 228 def / 28 sp.atk

Surf
Ice Beam
HP Electric
Recover

Metagross @ Life Orb
Adamant, 252 atk / 200 spd / 56 hp

Earthquake
Meteor Mash
Explosion
Agility

Porygon Z, @ Choice Specs
Modest, 252 sp.atk / 252 spd / 4 hp
Download

Thunderbolt
Tri Attack
Ice Beam
Dark Pulse

Still trying to decide on Glaceon

Please Help:D

P.S I am now in the process of EV train my pokemon.

Weavile w/ Ice Shard, Ice Punch, Night Slash and Brick Break + Magnezone w / HP Fire, Thunderbolt and Magnet Rise DESTROYS your team. Maybe a Donphan or a Hippowdon would suit well. Regirock w/ 252 hp / 80 def / 176 sp.def, Careful, under Sand Stream, would stop cold that combination. Consider one of those three. Glaceon, even being UU, is overrated, he sucks at life. Replace him for one of those walls. MixApe >> PoryZ, he could stop Weavile and Magnezone cold after a Nasty Plot, but he wouldn't survive Magnezone's TBolt.

[airconditioning]

hm I think I'll go ev train em and change some of the items, but can you ev train someone at lv 100?

I think it's possible... but there's a lot more to it than just EV training. There's IVs, Natures, and certain Egg Moves.

Even then, that doesn't guarantee a good team. Why? Because of what I just said: TEAM. Your Pokemon have to be able to work together and cover each other's weaknesses. Just throwing 6 favorites onto a team just doesn't cut it.

[Silver Fang]

I think it's possible... but there's a lot more to it than just EV training. There's IVs, Natures, and certain Egg Moves.

Even then, that doesn't guarantee a good team. Why? Because of what I just said: TEAM. Your Pokemon have to be able to work together and cover each other's weaknesses. Just throwing 6 favorites onto a team just doesn't cut it.
I know,I'm breeding to :D and ev training, and I carefully selected each one there not my favorites.

[Mike™]

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Trait: Sandstream
EVs: 212 HP / 80 Atk / 216 SpD
Careful Nature (+SpD, -SpA)
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge.

Tyranitar @ Leftovers / Life Orb
Trait: Sandstream
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature (+Spe, -SpA)
- Dragon Dance
- Taunt
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge.

Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Trait: Sandstream
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Atk / 80 SpA
Quiet Nature (+SpA, -Spe)
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Ice Beam
- Crunch / Earthquake.

Porygon-Z @ Leftovers
Trait: Adaptibility
EVs: 160 HP / 72 SpA / 40 Spe / 216 SpD
Calm Nature (+SpD, -Atk)
- Thunder Wave
- Recover
- Tri Attack
- Thunderbolt / Ice Beam / Darkpulse.

Porygon-Z @ Choice Scarf / Specs
Trait: Adaptibility
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest / Timid Nature
- Tri Attack
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Dark Pulse.

Milotic (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 160 HP / 120 SpA / 228 SpD
Calm Nature (+SpD, -Atk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Surf
- Ice Beam / HP [ELECTRIC]

Milotic (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 160 HP / 120 SpA / 228 SpD
Calm Nature (+SpD, -Atk)
- Rest
- Hypnosis
- Surf
- Ice Beam. Shift the EVS from Special Defense to Defense if you want a physical walling Milo and give it Bold Nature.

Salamence @ Choice Band
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature (+Spe, -SpA)
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Crunch
- Fire Fang.

Salamence @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Flamethrower / Toxic
- Toxic / Wish
- Roost.

Salamence @ Choice Specs
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature (+SpA, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Hydro Pump / HP [GRASS]
- Flamethrower
- Dragon Pulse.

Salamence @ Leftovers / Life Orb
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 120 HP / 232 Atk / 148 Spe
Adamant / Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Taunt
- Stone Edge / Fire Fang. One great thing about DDMence is that you can away the EVs from Atk and Speed a tad bit.

Metegross @ Choice Band
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Atk / 176 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake
- Bullet Punch
- Pursuit / Stone Edge / Zen Headbutt.

Metagross @ Leftovers / Life Orb
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 104 Spe / 204 HP / 80 Atk / 120 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
- Agility
- Stealth Rock
- Meteor Mash
- Pursuit / Stone Edge / Earthquake. Inferior to the above set this gen.

Metegross @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 104 Spe / 204 HP / 80 Atk / 120 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Bullet Punch / Pursuit
- Meteor Mash. Same thing basically, but with an instant speed boost.

And my knowledge on Glaceon is sub-par.

[Dark_Azelf]

Itachi, id really check some of those moveset and Evs.....wow.....

[Mike™]

Itachi, id really check some of those moveset and Evs.....wow.....

What's wrong with them? Don't mock them 'till you try them, right?

[Dark_Azelf]

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Trait: Sandstream
EVs: 252 ATT / 196 SPEED / 60 HP
Adamant Nature (+SpD, -SpA)
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge.

Wait, why are we suggesting"Uber tier" t-tar, this is Uber standard so it can survive a Mewtwo Aura Sphere, and as it happens, there is no Mewtwo in Ou.






Tyranitar @ Leftovers / Life Orb / Black Glasses
Trait: Sandstream
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature (+Spe, -SpA)
- Dragon Dance
- Taunt
- Earthquake
- Crunch / Stone Edge / Ice Beam


I love how you totally disregard Crunch AND Ice Beam,

Black Glasses is an option to 2hko swampert.


Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Trait: Sandstream
EVs: 252 HP / 188 sp.att / 68 speed
Quiet Nature (+SpA, -Spe)
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Ice Beam / Thunderbolt
- Crunch / Dark pulse


lol EQ on Boah lol, 68 speed to outspeed weezing and blissey

Porygon-Z @ Leftovers
Trait: Adaptibility
EVs: 160 HP / 72 SpA / 40 Spe / 216 SpD
Calm Nature (+SpD, -Atk)
- Thunder Wave
- Recover
- Tri Attack
- Thunderbolt / Ice Beam / Darkpulse.


Yes thunderwave is going to help it so much against its common switch in, Blissey, Snorlax etc. =/


Porygon-2 does this sort of stuff much better.



Porygon-Z @ Choice Scarf / Specs
Trait: Adaptibility
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest / Timid Nature
- Tri Attack
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Dark Pulse.

Ya, this is fine

Milotic (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 252 HP / 232 DEF / 24 SP.ATT
Modest Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Surf
- Ice Beam / HP [ELECTRIC]


Errm, it need def evs and modest on sleep talk due to Marvel scale . AND MAX HP always with Res-Talk, this spread hits the magic def number and still have enough sp.att to ohko Chomp etc....it already has enough sp.def

Milotic (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 148 HP / 228 DEF / 132 SP.ATT
Bold Nature
- Recover
- Hypnosis
- Surf
- Ice Beam.

Even if its not physical walling, it still needs bold or you have yourself a "Failotic". Bold is a must on all no Rest-Talk milo sets, unless you run a novelty sp.walling set, but i all honsety it has better things to be doind, namely dual walling.


Also why is rest even considered when we have recover

Salamence @ Choice Band
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 16 HP / 252 Atk / 240 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Stone Edge
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower

Ewww, Fire Fang, eww Jolly , jolly does not benefit Mence in any way shape or form there is nothing it will outrun with Jolly, that it wont with Adamant. No stone edge = gyarados lol

Salamence @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Flamethrower / Toxic
- Toxic / Wish
- Roost.

Yay

Salamence @ Choice Specs
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature (+SpA, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Hydro Pump
- Flamethrower
- Dragon Pulse.

Hidden power grass on this is suckage, what the hell is it going to hit that Draco meteor already wont dominate ?

Salamence @ Leftovers / Life Orb
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 82 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spe
Adamant
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- DRAGON CLAW
- Stone Edge / Fire BLAST / Flamethrower


No, you dont cut from attack on DD mence =/, you cut from HP.

Ive stopped taking this seriously dude, no Dragon Claw = 100% fail. It doesnt even get taunt..

Metegross @ Choice Band
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 ATT / 152 HP / 104 SPEED
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake
- Thunderpunch
- Explosion / Bullet Punch / Ice Punch / Pursuit / Zen headbutt

Metagross doesnt get stone edge and how in the blue hell is 80 att evs going to help on a CB set ?

No speed = Magnezone outped rape.



Metagross @ Leftovers / Life Orb
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 104 Spe / 252 att / 152 hp
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
- Agility
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Thunderpunch /Explosion / Ice Punch / Zen headbutt

lolololololollolol Stealth Rock on Agiligross ???!!



Metegross @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Clear Body
EVs:152 HP / 252 ATT / 104 SPEED
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Bullet Punch / Pursuit
- Meteor Mash. Same thing basically, but with an instant speed boost.


Metagross is one of the few pokes you DO NOT SCARF, it has better options 99.9% of the time, its like scarfing Salamence.....

And my knowledge on Glaceon is sub-par.

Are you sure its just Glaceon ?



Sorry Itachi, but that is really a sub par rate, it has move that are illegal, moves that are lol, and moves/Evs that just made me say "wtf" and have no use on the poke they are on.

I like how your trying to be original, but seriously, some of those were awful...

[Silver Fang]

hm well all you team suggestions sound great, I'll try to use some of em, but I'm still thinking. :)

[azuman]

did you basicly migrate your whole team from sapphire (other than tyranitar and porygon-z of course.)

[Silver Fang]

did you basicly migrate your whole team from sapphire (other than tyranitar and porygon-z of course.)

No I did not do that, and plus some came from emerald.

[Silver Fang]

does anybody have a good move set for espeon?

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

I would post EspyJump, but I haven't used it literally in months, maybe years, my memory is that foggy.

Espeon @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: lol
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Psychic
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Shadow Ball

Yeah, I'm no Espeon expert, I'll wait for somebody to tear that set apart, lol

And really Itachi, originality is cool, but random EVs and sets isn't helping anybody.

[Silver Fang]

I would post EspyJump, but I haven't used it literally in months, maybe years, my memory is that foggy.

Espeon @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: lol
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Psychic
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Shadow Ball

Yeah, I'm no Espeon expert, I'll wait for somebody to tear that set apart, lol

And really Itachi, originality is cool, but random EVs and sets isn't helping
anybody.

ok thanks I'll try it out:)

[SamIsTehBest]

alright first tyranitar......come on no special wall what so ever but nice choice with porygonZ

[Kayashi]

How is Milotic not a special wall? :/

[airconditioning]

I believe Millie generally functions as a Dual Wall, or a general bulky water. I think there is a Special Wall set for her, though.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

How is Milotic not a special wall? :/

Because it gets absolutely squashed by Grass Knot and Thunderbolt, and powerful special attacks in general. Azelf, Raikou, Zapdos, Porygon-Z, Alakazam, Gengar...all run it over. CMers like Mesprit can drill it too.

Milotic is much better for taking physical hits along with special hits, it can't really wall only one side of the spectrum well IMO. If you play to its strengths (Marvel Scale, good stats, decent movepool with Recover and Hypnosis...) it can really work.

Not much really does cut it as a special wall these days, but Milotic just...has trouble, at least doing just that. As a bulky water, it is tremendous.

EDIT: You can smash special walls with Mirror Coat Milotic, actually a pretty good set, but very risky. But as a true special wall...meh.

[Silver Fang]

Because it gets absolutely squashed by Grass Knot and Thunderbolt, and powerful special attacks in general. Azelf, Raikou, Zapdos, Porygon-Z, Alakazam, Gengar...all run it over. CMers like Mesprit can drill it too.

Milotic is much better for taking physical hits along with special hits, it can't really wall only one side of the spectrum well IMO. If you play to its strengths (Marvel Scale, good stats, decent movepool with Recover and Hypnosis...) it can really work.

Not much really does cut it as a special wall these days, but Milotic just...has trouble, at least doing just that. As a bulky water, it is tremendous.

EDIT: You can smash special walls with Mirror Coat Milotic, actually a pretty good set, but very risky. But as a true special wall...meh.

My Milotic is not that good being a special wall, he always faints after one hit from super effective hits like thunderbolt and giga drain, very rarely he survives them. But I'm still ev training him and teaching new attacks so maybe that will change.
I'm talking about a lv 50 all battle.