New OU Team

[Dani_X]

Yeah. I have a new team. Sorta testing it, i don't feel that this will have results, but..

Overview

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Brelly (Breloom) @ Toxic Orb
252 atk / 236 hp / 20 spd
Adamant

- Protect
- Spore
- Mach Punch
- Seed Bomb

This thing is awesome. Protect to scout leads and for Poison Heal recovery. Mach Punch does some serious damage to TTar. This thing is the 2nd best TTar counter ever. Seed Bomb says ouch to Mismagius, Gengar and the other things that resist Mach Punch, except Flyings not with a secondary Normal typing.


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Weez (Weezing) @ Leftovers
252 hp / 200 def / 56 sp.atk
Bold

- Fire Blast
- Will-o-Wisp
- Thunderbolt
- Pain Split

The physical wall right there. Gyarados gets raped by Will-o-Wisp or Thunderbolt, and there's little he can do except Waterfall. Heracross can't touch this thing. Neither Breloom. Both get treatment with WoW / Fire Blast. Pain Split recovers his life.

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Karatefight (Hariyama) @ Leftovers
76 hp / 252 def / 180 atk
Impish - Thick Fat

- Force Palm
- Whirlwind
- Toxic
- Knock Off

Weavile counter in all power. Ice attacks don't touch this thing because of Thick Fat, and he resists Dark and Fighting, and KO's with STABbed Force Palm. Anyways, Knock Off choice users and walls' Leftovers. Whirlwind setuppers to oblivion, and Toxic walls and Ghosts. Gengar is the threat to him, but it can 4HKO with Knock Off. The only thing he can do to him.


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Ghoost (Spiritomb) @ Leftovers
252 hp / 176 sp.def / 80 atk
Careful

- Sucker Punch
- Pursuit
- Will-o-Wisp
- Pain Split

Think Azelf rapes this team? Not today. Sucker Punch the incoming attack from Azelf, or Pursuit him if you think he will run. Pursuit is the best option, because if Azelf doesn't run, it will take almost half of his life anyways. Cripple physical sweepers with WoW and recover with Pain Split.

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Spinner (Starmie) @ Choice Specs
252 spd / 252 sp.atk / 4 hp
Timid

- Surf
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot

MixApe counter. Nick fools people to switch into resident ghosts to block Rapid Spin, and they eat a STABbed Surf to the face. OHKO's TyraniBoah and almost every time max hp/sp.def Mamoswine with Surf. Ice Beam stops Garchomp cold.

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Uberness (Garchomp) @ Life Orb
252 atk / 252 spd / 4 hp
Jolly

- Swords Dance
- Fire Blast
- Outrage
- Earthquake

All the kills that this team does are based to let Garchomp rampage. Swords Dance up and rape opposite team into pure oblivion. Outrage + Earthquake hit all neutral except Bronzong and Skarmory. They are stopped cold with Fire Blast.

Rate my team plz.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Ew, Garhcomp and salamence with similar movesets does not help. also, Adamant on CBmence. Stone edge is a must, put it over Crunch or Brick Break (probably Brick Break).

Just a very...strange team. Lack of a special wall is the big issue, put one in over Garchomp or Salamence.

[Dani_X]

But then I would lack offensive power. Should I take out Spiritomb and put in a Blissey, and switch one of the dragons by a Heracross?

[Who is Beelane LOL]

One of my favorite Gengar sets would ruin this team.

Gengar@Life Orb
Timid
252 spd/ 242 sp.atk
- HP Ice (kills your lead and chomp)
- Psychic (kills Weezing and Hariyama)
- Dark Pulse/Tbolt (kills Starmie)
- Hypnosis (puts your Spirit to sleep, then can KO it with HP Ice/Dark Pulse)

[PhoenixFlare]

One of my favorite Gengar sets would ruin this team.

Gengar@Life Orb
Timid
252 spd/ 242 sp.atk
- HP Ice (kills your lead and chomp)
- Psychic (kills Weezing and Hariyama)
- Dark Pulse/Tbolt (kills Starmie)
- Hypnosis (puts your Spirit to sleep, then can KO it with HP Ice/Dark Pulse)

Please Shadow Ball over Dark Pulse for STAB and you're missing 16 EVs.

[Who is Beelane LOL]

Please Shadow Ball over Dark Pulse for STAB and you're missing 16 EVs.


Typo on the 242 Special Attack, I meant to put 252. The other 6 EVs don't matter, so give them to HP.

I would use Tbolt over Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse anyway for more coverage...

[PhoenixFlare]

It does 88- 101% to Hariyama so if it did survive it would knock off your Life orb and Gengar would cease to OHKO them but if it died then yeah that Gengar beats this team but not all Gengars have that moveset.

[Cloud_85]

If you talk about Gengar, I like This:

Gengar@Choice Specs
252 Sp.Atk/252 Spd/4 HP
Timid (+Spd,-Atk)
Shadow Ball
T-Bolt
HP Ice
Focus Blast

If you have Swampert problems Energy ball is always an option...

[Mike™]

Typo on the 242 Special Attack, I meant to put 252. The other 6 EVs don't matter, so give them to HP.

I would use Tbolt over Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse anyway for more coverage...

The hell? Why would you want to get rid of your STAB? Besides, Cressy lol's at you without Shadow Ball. Dark Pulse is just... no on Gengar.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

If this team is Gengar weak then Gengar should be uber. Meaning Spiritomb smashes Gengar...Gengar is terrible with Psychic anyways.

Also, only Blissey special walling isn't a good idea, you need the fighting immunity and Azelf/Gengar/Medicham counter big time. This team would be lost without that little ghost, keep it.

You could run Choice Band Snorlax if you want. It can take special hits and really packs a punch with STAB CB Return.

[Dani_X]

Yeah, the guy rules. Who should I replace ?

I'm seriously considering Antilead Breloom. I'll test it.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

I don't recommend antilead Breloom, Breloom can do so many things better. Antilead stuff is a waste IMO, it only effects the first turn or two of a battle.

[Dani_X]

I've already tested it in ~10 battles. It is succesfull. Snorlax is not doing that well.. I'm thinking of inserting a Porygon2 in any place, it seems useful, but.. Should I ?

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

I've already tested it in ~10 battles. It is succesfull. Snorlax is not doing that well.. I'm thinking of inserting a Porygon2 in any place, it seems useful, but.. Should I ?

What set are you running on that Snorlax?

Also, I firmly believe testing things is a load of garbage, ever since testing this funky Hippowdon set...and it worked really well, until I put it on a real team.

You have plenty of things that deal with common leads anyways, so I don't really see how anti-lead Breloom is necessary. It's also very predictable when you lead with it.

Really, what IS the anti-lead breloom set? It would be helpful to know that ^_^

[Dani_X]

It's now in the main page.

Snorlax is 252 atk / 252 sp.def / 4 hp, adamant, CB, with Return / EQ / Fire Punch / Crunch

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

It's now in the main page.

Snorlax is 252 atk / 252 sp.def / 4 hp, adamant, CB, with Return / EQ / Fire Punch / Crunch

Well, if CB Lax isn't working, I would really consider Resttalk Snorlax. Even for the Resttalk haters, I really encourage it since it is easily one of the best in the game.

Also, what do you mean by main page? If you mean your first post, I don't even see how that's an anti-lead. Weavile still beats it and Gengar just laughs at the Seed Bombs it resists while destroying you with STAB Shadow Ball or HP Ice.

[Dani_X]

Weavile beats me? What's Mach Punch doing there? And don't talk me about Ice Shard, because this thing resisted an Outrage from Life Orb Garchomp.
And i'm a ResTTalk hater.
Weezing isn't doing much either.. Some advice? And I'm curious about switching out Starmie.

[Faceless*]

Weavile beats me? What's Mach Punch doing there? And don't talk me about Ice Shard, because this thing resisted an Outrage from Life Orb Garchomp.
And i'm a ResTTalk hater.
Weezing isn't doing much either.. Some advice? And I'm curious about switching out Starmie.

Then that sir, must have been a pretty bad use of Garchomp

What do you expect to do on Lead Gengars? They're pretty common and one HP Ice can break through Breloom. Salamence is also a common lead, it rips you to shreds meeting with your Breloom.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

Ice Shard will hammer Breloom.

But really, the lead can just switch...and then Breloom is a dead weight. In other words, it's useless besides the job it can do, which isn't even helpful. Besides, any fighting resist can come in and laugh at Breloom, even if you put them to sleep.

EDIT: Resttalk Snorlax is twice the pokemon anti-lead Breloom will ever be. I know that's a shaky comparison, but Resttalk Snorlax does work, and if you aren't going to use it then I suggest finding a new special wall, and one that is better than Porygon 2

[Who is Beelane LOL]

Wow, can you not comprehend my posts?

I said that a Gengar running that moveset would cripple this team, not PLZ USE DIS MOVESET.


And Anti-Pop, Gengar runs Psychic better than most Psychic type pokemon, due to the high Special Attack he has and Life Orb.
STAB is made up for with Life Orb...

[Faceless*]

If this team is Gengar weak then Gengar should be uber. Meaning Spiritomb smashes Gengar...Gengar is terrible with Psychic anyways.

Also, only Blissey special walling isn't a good idea, you need the fighting immunity and Azelf/Gengar/Medicham counter big time. This team would be lost without that little ghost, keep it.

You could run Choice Band Snorlax if you want. It can take special hits and really packs a punch with STAB CB Return.

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Wow, can you not comprehend my posts?

I said that a Gengar running that moveset would cripple this team, not PLZ USE DIS MOVESET.


And Anti-Pop, Gengar runs Psychic better than most Psychic type pokemon, due to the high Special Attack he has and Life Orb.
STAB is made up for with Life Orb...

You're the one to speak :o

Psychic is a complete waste of moveslot on Gengar, no lies at all here. Psychic has 0 coverage, does NOT get a STAB boost and is weaker than Shadow Ball, why use Psychic?

[Mike™]

Wow, can you not comprehend my posts?

I said that a Gengar running that moveset would cripple this team, not PLZ USE DIS MOVESET.

Lmfao, lern2reed kiddos

And you think I can't read.. why? My point was, getting rid of Shadow Ball is no. And seriously, no-one would be dumb enough to use a Gengar moveset WITHOUT STAB. Also, Isn't the bolded statement sterotyping kids?

[Who is Beelane LOL]

Psychic is a complete waste of moveslot on Gengar, no lies at all here. Psychic has 0 coverage, does NOT get a STAB boost and is weaker than Shadow Ball, why use Psychic?
Oh lawdy, please forgive me for I am about to choke you out..

I know it isn't a good moveset, I wouldn't run it, but if you do ever see it (and I have...) then he's in for a world of hurt.

Anyways...

@Dani_X; The breloom lead still gives your team a weakness to ice, to flying, and to psychic, although Spirit can deal with the latter. I'd consider running something that can stop ice and flying, like a bulky Regice? I use one as a lead.

EV Spread looks like 252 HP / 204 Def / 54 Sp. Atk
Bold Nature
-Counter
-Ice Beam
-Tbolt
-Twave

Works well.

[Anti Pop Culture Warrior]

What's funny is that you were wrong anyways considering Gengar can't do anything to Spiritomb lol. If Gengar can KO it with HP Ice and and Dark Pulse, again, it should be uber.

Also, I'm no fan of counter Regice. It's pretty much a waste, and most physical attacks will either OHKO you or will hurt so little that counter won't even OHKO.

EDIT: As far as your claim goes that Gengar shreds this team apart, when it clearly doesn't with Spiritomb here. HP Ice and Dark Pulse do no significant damage.

[Dani_X]

Should I insert Empoleon as special wall?

[Nightofshadow]

Empoleon isnt that good of a special wall tbh, No real self regenerative moves and Rest talk isnt the best idea to have on him. Using him as something of a sponge, maybe. Not a full blown wall

[sims796]

I second this, only because it's weak to some common moves, and cannot heal itself. I thought it was always a sponge.

[Dani_X]

I'm testing ResTTalk Snorlax >> Hariyama, and it's doing quite well. Should i switch ?

EDIT : Heatran should fit well here, over Starmie?

EDIT 2 : I'm getting all walked over by physical attackers. Should I switch out Weezing for a stronger wall, like Forry or Gliscor?