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Young Stunna'
April 24th, 2008, 04:40 PM
I don't know if theres another thread about this topic because I haven't seen it yet, but I'm just curious, who do you guys support in the U.S. Presidential Elections, John McCain, Hillary Clinton, or Barrack Obama?

I personally like Hillary Clinton because she has experience and I feel she would put her country before everything else.

Cassino
April 24th, 2008, 04:52 PM
I support no one because I'm not American and would rather see the country degenerate into chaos and confusion at random. :D

Amazing how hyped up this is, it was even in the news over here at some point... why? No one here cares, seriously. ¬_¬

Young Stunna'
April 24th, 2008, 05:08 PM
I support no one because I'm not American and would rather see the country degenerate into chaos and confusion at random. :D

Amazing how hyped up this is, it was even in the news over here at some point... why? No one here cares, seriously. ¬_¬

Well thats what I was wondering, if anyone cared. I figured some weren't American but you can't insult my country like that. I don't want to see any country do what you just said.

Chikara
April 24th, 2008, 05:47 PM
I support no one because I'm not American and would rather see the country degenerate into chaos and confusion at random. :D

Amazing how hyped up this is, it was even in the news over here at some point... why? No one here cares, seriously. ¬_¬

Wow that was immature x 7
If you're gonna insult another country, do it but don't act like you won't get a negative reaction.

I can't vote, but I honestly don't like Hilary or Obama. McCain all the way (b' ')b

Gunn
April 24th, 2008, 05:56 PM
I am actually stuck between Obama and McCain, but honestly, I worry for Obama if he were to uphold the presidential seat. Just knowing how somewhat "extreme" racism here in America is, I fear that something could happen to him. As for McCain, well, I just don't want to see a republican reign for another four years. So my selection leans toward the democrat here than the other.

Young Stunna'
April 24th, 2008, 06:37 PM
I am actually stuck between Obama and McCain, but honestly, I worry for Obama if he were to uphold the presidential seat. Just knowing how somewhat "extreme" racism here in America is, I fear that something could happen to him. As for McCain, well, I just don't want to see a republican reign for another four years. So my selection leans toward the democrat here than the other.

I agree that something could happen to Obama.

And I am republican but I don't like McCain because he's just gonna keep the war going and cause gas prices to go higher up.

Allstories
April 24th, 2008, 06:46 PM
I like Obama the best, by far. I'm not so crazy about Hillary, but we could certainly do far worse. I'm not crazy about McCain at all.

Midnight Beat
April 24th, 2008, 07:33 PM
And I am republican but I don't like McCain because he's just gonna keep the war going
So, what's the alternative? Pull out and watch Iraq become overrun by fascism and genocide? I don't think so. We still need to be in Iraq for a little while longer, it's not stable enough for us to pull out yet. Eventually? Yes, just not yet.

With that being said...
I am 100% for McCain. Obama is just way too liberal for me. He's going to try to force too much change on this country at one time. And like some of you have already said, something bad is bound to happen if he were to get elected. Because of this, America is not ready for an African American president. Not yet, and probably not for another good 75 years, if we're lucky.

And as for Hillary Clinton......I think this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=elFHtGugXN0) covers it pretty well.

BTW-I meant no offense to anyone by this post.

Gummy
April 25th, 2008, 03:15 PM
If I was old enough to vote, I'd choose the democratic nominee, whether it be Hillary or Obama. Although I want Obama to win, he may be a little to inexperienced and you can't deny all the experience Hilliary has had.

Tamaki
April 25th, 2008, 03:21 PM
I'm only thirteen... but if I were older, I'd definately vote for Obama. He's much more liberal than Hillary. I do like Hillary as well, and it's about time a woman led America, but she just doesn't seem right for the job.

Also, 雀, that was very rude. While I admit I'd prefer to live elsewhere, every country should have a chance at peace...

peirateis
April 25th, 2008, 05:42 PM
Honestly, I think a liberal running America would just be terrible. No offense (sort of).

So, in that case, I'm for none of the candidates. :/

Young Stunna'
April 25th, 2008, 07:52 PM
Honestly, I think a liberal running America would just be terrible. No offense (sort of).

So, in that case, I'm for none of the candidates. :/

Yeah, I really liked Mike Huckabee before he got booted out.

peirateis
April 25th, 2008, 08:19 PM
Yeah, I really liked Mike Huckabee before he got booted out.

Who I liked was Fred Thompson: finish the job, secure the borders, and keep improving our economy. It's really a shame he dropped out so early.

Btw, I'm a hardcore conservative. :][/obvious]

Unlimited NiGHTS
April 25th, 2008, 09:41 PM
Yeah, I really liked Mike Huckabee before he got booted out.

Same here. My second choice would be Obama, though.

TRIFORCE89
April 26th, 2008, 05:50 PM
I'm Canadian but I've been following the election. I consider myself to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

I've been following McCain for a while, long before he announced his candidacy. I wanted him to run before this race even started. XD So, I'm happy that he nabbed the Republican nomination. That said, if he did not get it - I would be routing for Democrats. I dislike the far-left and the far-right. McCain's a moderate conservative (or a progressive conservative, whatever term you want to use) and that's right up my alley. He's smart and honest. Like I said, I'm only pulling for the Republicans because he's running. I didn't like Romney at all. So, I would be routing for the Democrats if he (or anyone further right than McCain) got the nomination.

I don't really have any problems if Obama wins though. Of the two Democratic candidates, I prefer him to Clinton. Hillary has this strange notion that being the first lady gave her experience. Raise your hand if you think Mrs. Bush has the experience to be President. She can only pursue this angle because she has the Clinton name.

Saturday Night Live did an excellent sketch where Obama had won and she was informing him where the thermostat was in the White House. That's as far as her White House experience would come in as far as I'm concerned. Clinton and Obama are both senators, so I see them as being equally qualified. Living in the White House for eight years is worth nada unless she had some kind of power. She entered politics after the White House.

Would she be better than Bill? I think she would.

Regardless of experience, I think Obama would be better for the country. The amount of personality and charisma he has is perfect. You have to admit that America is in a mess right now, regardless of your political slant or reasoning. You need someone with a Kennedy-esque level of charisma to rally and unite the country.

One thing that bugs me about Obama is that he's not really distancing himself from Rev. Wright.

Anti
April 26th, 2008, 07:49 PM
I was supporting Huckabee because my parents said we'd move to another country if he got elected :) not that I don't like The US, but I just have a lot of problems with where our priorities as a country stand and the state of our economy and government...yuck.

That's why I support Obama really. He seems like that once-in-a-generation kind of guy, and his plans to change Washington seem honest and it's a good idea in general.

As for the other two candidates, I don't really mind them. I like McCain because he was sleeping during Bush's state of the union address lol. But really, I don't know enough about McCain to really talk about him much. He seems like a much better Republican candidate than Bush (though that isn't saying much).

As for Hillary, I think her "experience" ploy is quite pathetic. I will give her that having a high position at Wal-Mart (or whatever that's about) is quite impressive though. Our economy can't get any worse I guess.

I don't follow it all too closely anymore, since at this point I just want the Democrats to decide on a candidate already. It's getting extremely tedious...and Bush won't be solving any of our problems.

I just hope whoever is elected turns out to be more of an Abraham Lincoln and less of a Ulysses S. Grant as president, lol.

Ryoutarou
April 27th, 2008, 09:15 AM
I guess I would be a weak Obama supporter. I'm actually kinda miffed that there's no one major candidate that I'm truly behind on, especially since this is the first time I can actually vote. I'm not sure if I'll vote though because going for the lesser of three evils just doesn't seem like a good way to go about voting, not for me at least.

Allstories
April 27th, 2008, 03:53 PM
Not voting because of it being a matter of the lesser of three evils is understandable, but I have to contest to some of you guys that general apathy is probably more detrimental to our country than partisanship.

sims796
April 27th, 2008, 04:25 PM
Me, Hillary.

Howeverf, this election process was a complete joke. Nothing but glorified exposure. Their appearence in WWE-not that I watch it, saw the commercial-only proved the stupidity of us all, especially in the canidates themselves. Rather than talking of the issues and what they could do to help me, they treat me like an idiot, shaking their keys by showing up in "pop culture" rather than presenting me with what they would do for me.

Cassino
April 29th, 2008, 10:20 AM
I figured some weren't American but you can't insult my country like that. I don't want to see any country do what you just said.
Wow that was immature x 7
If you're gonna insult another country, do it but don't act like you won't get a negative reaction.
Also, 雀, that was very rude. While I admit I'd prefer to live elsewhere, every country should have a chance at peace...
Mmm I didn't do that too well... Oh well. The striked-out part was intended as a joke, so don't worry yourselves over it too much. :/

D-puff
April 29th, 2008, 01:55 PM
i go for Obama. in my opinian, and please dont flame me on this, Hillary seems to be what we wouldnt want in a woman president; she seems a bit too jumpy about it (not saying it would be bad if she won). And i would love to at least see the historic event of at least a woman or black president, and if mcCain won i think a lot would be dissapointed in this aspect. nevertheless, i have no power to vote.

But my question is; why didnt colbert get far in the race?! imagine him as president XD

Otter Mii-kun
April 29th, 2008, 04:57 PM
I'm not supporting any of the three forerunners. Despite many small detail differences, their overall plan for America is basically the same-more government expansion, even greater mass deficit and pork barrel spending, more war, more unfair trade policies, and continued currency manipulation.
Of those, McCain would be the worst, IMO, especially with his economic policies, which aren't that much different from Bush.

In the January 15th (Michigan) Primary (which we weren't supposed to have), I voted for Ron Paul.

Virtual Chatot
April 29th, 2008, 05:06 PM
I'm not following the election at all.

Hillary and Obama are to the far far left, and McCain has to many Liberal policies for me to like him.

So, I have no reason to "root" for anyone. I'm an independent, I'm a mix of Liberal and Conservative Policies. For Instance, I believe that we should seek energy sources besides gasoline. But I also believe in keeping the government out of people lives, simply keeping the roads up and providing schools should be some of the only things the government should be doing.

When you get socialistic, you start to move towards communism. Marx himself even said that the first step to Communism is Socialism, and I do not want America to eventually become what the Soviet Union was.

Allstories
April 29th, 2008, 06:10 PM
But I also believe in keeping the government out of people lives, simply keeping the roads up and providing schools should be some of the only things the government should be doing.

When you get socialistic, you start to move towards communism. Marx himself even said that the first step to Communism is Socialism, and I do not want America to eventually become what the Soviet Union was.

Communism wasn't created with malign intentions or anything, it just requires a perfect, utopian society in which everyone needs to cooperate in order to function, which ain't gonna happen. On the other side of the spectrum you have libertarianism, which is just as, if not more, overly-idealistic. You gotta have balance in order to function.

sims796
April 29th, 2008, 06:30 PM
Communism wasn't created with malign intentions or anything, it just requires a perfect, utopian society in which everyone needs to cooperate in order to function, which ain't gonna happen. On the other side of the spectrum you have libertarianism, which is just as, if not more, overly-idealistic. You gotta a balance in order to function.

Democracy (which I personally go for) requires that just same thing. Unfortunately, as you put it, will never happen.

Red1530
April 29th, 2008, 06:40 PM
I am supporting Senator McCain for President. I was for him since he announced his candidacy. McCain 08.

The Infinite Devil Machine
April 29th, 2008, 09:07 PM
McCain all the way. I want to be in Iraq, on a wild goose chase for as long as possible. :D

I'm Canadian. And underage. So that rules me out, although I do support Clinton and Obama. More so Obama, but if either of them were elected, I would be content.

Yuukihime
April 30th, 2008, 06:38 PM
I'm stuck between obama and clinton, because it does seem that they would do alot for our country. I never really here thing abotu mcain other that then he has a funny name (my opinion only) but I personal would pick hillary.. and how ironic is this...while I'm typing this messahe there is a john mcain message on my scream.. He stalks me O.O; no just kidditng but their is an add there aaanywayyys! I support Hillary clinton alot but obama would be good too..I just want soemone to resovle this whoel issue in iraq, gas prices and america's economy cause frankly my mom the other day spent 50.00$ on gas! 50.00$! How messed up is that? D: So the next President would resovle all those issues. cause frankly the economy is messed up right now , I'm sad of seeign our troups die in Iraq and gas prices are to expensive.. and I'm to young to drive 0.0

icomeanon6
April 30th, 2008, 07:19 PM
I tend to lean Republican, mostly because the Democratic Party is a throng of incompetent morons. Take, for example, this little contest between Clinton and Obama. They've gone on way too long to have both of them still in the race. They're not doing anything but hurting their own party and making it easier for McCain.

Do I sense a schism coming...?

Shadowed Fate
May 1st, 2008, 04:48 AM
I'm not entirely sure who should be in the White House, but I'm definitely hope McCain does not get in. All he wants is war and more war.

Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton are somewhat better choices. Hilary Clinton does seem more focused than Obama, but Obama sure is promising some new "changes" to us.

I wonder what they'll be. Some actual changes to improve a faltering country...or another hollow promise.

AluminumKnight
May 1st, 2008, 09:54 AM
I support Obama, but if he doesn't win the Democratic nomination, I will have to look over the policies of Clinton and McCain again and figure out who I want to vote for.

Recently, this whole issue about suspending the gas tax was brought up by McCain, and Clinton quickly jumped on the bandwagon. Only Obama has the balls to not endorse such a policy that is so obviously detrimental in the long term. The only problem is, people hear "Cutting the gas tax? Lower gas prices? Heck yeah, let's vote for them!" and put no more thought into it like how maybe the oil companies are already inflating prices so they will obviously just raise them even more since we're already used to paying so much, or barring that, how after the summer the tax will be put on again and prices will be far worse than they are now.

Xairmo
May 1st, 2008, 08:03 PM
I support Obama. And if not him then Hilary. So I guess that makes me democrat? I just think it's time for change in our coutry. I mean do we seriously need another old white guy in the White House? It would be a huge step forward for our country to have and African American or female president. The only problem is that racism and sexism are still veyr much alive in our country. I fear that if Obama is elected, he will most likely be assassinated :/ I'd also like our next president to be a little bit more liberal than Bush. One whose response to "Why did you start this war?" is not "Because God told me to." >.>
Plus if anyone of them supports same sex marriages thats a big plus for me ^.^

EDIT:
I tend to lean Republican, mostly because the Democratic Party is a throng of incompetent morons. Take, for example, this little contest between Clinton and Obama. They've gone on way too long to have both of them still in the race. They're not doing anything but hurting their own party and making it easier for McCain.

Do I sense a schism coming...?
You see it's stupid comments and people like that that are holding this country back! Generalizing a group of people as a whole is very immature. I claim that Bush is an idiot but I never call the republicans as a whole a group of idiots

☆Stardust☆
May 2nd, 2008, 10:55 AM
I'm voting for McCain, although I don't really care for him, he's still a Republican.

No offense, but I would be scared if Obama or Hillary went in office:(

I don't think it's right for a woman to be in office. As long as us women have the right to vote, let's leave it up to the men to be president.

And Obama, it has nothing to do with race, it's what he's for. He could be white, and I still wouldn't vote for him. I know lots of white people that are for him.

Merzbau
May 2nd, 2008, 12:06 PM
I couldn't care less about race, gender, or any of that, unlike most people around me. The All-American Southern Hick Morons (read: Ku Klux Klan) don't want a "monkey" in the White House, and my parents think women are to be barefoot and pregnant all the time. Racists and fundamentalist Christians abounding.

I like Obama. He has guts enough to stand up and do things out of his own morality.

Also, he hasn't called my house asking if I will vote for him yet, unlike the other two candidates. Nothing I hate more than someone who pesters me at my own desk.

Red1530
May 2nd, 2008, 01:32 PM
McCain all the way. I want to be in Iraq, on a wild goose chase for as long as possible. :D

I'm Canadian. And underage. So that rules me out, although I do support Clinton and Obama. More so Obama, but if either of them were elected, I would be content.You do realize that the insurgents in Iraq want not only to topple the Iraqi Government but attack the American homeland. I live in New York State and I still remember 9/11 clearly. This one of the reasons I support the war in Iraq. We are killing them over there and not back in America.

Merzbau
May 2nd, 2008, 02:46 PM
It takes an amazingly blasted mind to link Saddam Hussein and Mr. Bin Laden together.

That being said, the whole "IF WE DON'T FIGHT THEM THERE, THEY'LL COME HERE" thing is a bit of a slippery slope, isn't it?

INFOWARRIOR56
May 3rd, 2008, 08:22 AM
OMG, Election2008 is as staged as Election2004. Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war and for the PATRIOT act. She is a member of the Bilderberg Group, which many suspect is a globalist organization. Barack Obama is being marketed as 'Mr. Change' when in reality, his advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, was the architect of the current situation in the middle east, and is the co-founder of the notorious Trilateral Commission, as well as a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

As for John McCain, he wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years. Google Iraq War Crimes, check out the lists, and see if you still support staying in Iraq for another second.

And no surprise, John McCain is listed as a member of the notorious Council on Foreign Relations.

I wish Dennis Kucinich was still in the race. He was anti-elite, he was against the PATRIOT Act/Surveillance/War, and he is for a new investigation of the 9/11 attacks. Truly a great candidate.

I hope you guys can realize that this is a complete PSYOP. All of this mudslinging between Hillary and Obama? I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it at all. I am more convinced than ever that this is complete and total political theater. As this Clinton/Obama road show goes on (With staged scandal events such as "PreacherGate"), the Republicans all get behind McCain who also leads them in the wrong direction.

Allstories
May 3rd, 2008, 09:40 AM
I don't think it's right for a woman to be in office. As long as us women have the right to vote, let's leave it up to the men to be president.

And Obama, it has nothing to do with race, it's what he's for. He could be white, and I still wouldn't vote for him. I know lots of white people that are for him.

Even if it's not intentional, this post still comes off as horrendously sexist and racist.

INFOWARRIOR56
May 3rd, 2008, 01:01 PM
Check out this painfully obvious Psy-Op (Psychological Operation):

“His candidacy is so unique to this country and so important that the last thing you would want is for him not to have the opportunity to fulfill the role of a potential presidential nominee,” Mr. Thompson said. “It’s out of an abundance of caution that I wrote the letter, rather than keep our fingers crossed and pray.”

Before Mr. Obama decided to run for president, he discussed his safety with his family. His campaign employed a team of private security guards before he was placed under Secret Service protection. Since then, he has grown fond of the agents who surround him, inviting them to watch the Super Bowl at his home in Chicago and playing basketball with them on the days he awaits the results of an election.....

“Barack scares those of us who think of the possibility of an assassination in a different way,” Mr. Posner said. “He represents so much hope and change. That is exactly what was taken away from us in the 1960s.”

That afternoon, Mr. Obama’s motorcade passed Dealey Plaza and the Texas Book Depository building, where the fatal shot was fired at President Kennedy in 1963. Several campaign aides looked out their windows, silently absorbing the scene.

Not so for Mr. Obama, who later said he had not realized he was passing the site. And no one in his car pointed it out.


And Obama is being backed by the Kennedy family, and has been compared to Kennedy. So then he has his motorcade pass through the exact spot where Kennedy was assassinated, and there is suspicion that he will be assassinated. All coincidence? I doubt it. More like a Psy-Op for the "I think Obama will be assassinated" folks. (See the online movie JFK II by John Hankey for evidence that proves JFK's death to be the result of a high level conspiracy)

Red1530
May 3rd, 2008, 05:41 PM
Check out this painfully obvious Psy-Op (Psychological Operation):



And Obama is being backed by the Kennedy family, and has been compared to Kennedy. So then he has his motorcade pass through the exact spot where Kennedy was assassinated, and there is suspicion that he will be assassinated. All coincidence? I doubt it. More like a Psy-Op for the "I think Obama will be assassinated" folks. (See the online movie JFK II by John Hankey for evidence that proves JFK's death to be the result of a high level conspiracy)Do you have a reliable link to the letter in question?

INFOWARRIOR56
May 4th, 2008, 08:56 AM
Yes, the article I posted is from MSNBC. I can't make links yet, but the headline of it is "Hushed Worry About Obama's Safety". Unfortunately, it is no longer available from the original source. I'm sure some alternative news sites have it saved, though.

Virtual Chatot
May 4th, 2008, 09:58 AM
Even if it's not intentional, this post still comes off as horrendously sexist and racist.
Men are designed to lead, there have been very few cases ever that a woman has stepped up.

Men think logically, and Women tend to think more emotionally. In a crisis situation, that means the world.

I also don't understand how a Woman can be Sexist against another Woman.

I also have no clue how what she said could be considered Racist. I could scream Black Person right now, and would it be Racist?

The problem is not Obama's skin but his character, he is "friendly" with unrepentant terrorists and liberal extremists. Would he make a good President? Hell no

icomeanon6
May 4th, 2008, 11:51 AM
This is precisely what torques me off about this presidential election and the rest of America in general: Too much focus on race and sex. Here's an idea, my fellow Americans, free of charge. If you don't want to appear racist or sexist, DON'T TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME. Think of the children, the best way to keep them nice and nondiscriminatory is to not tell them what makes people different. Why don't we all focus on something else, like the economy or something. Talking too much about these kinds of subjects just makes the future dimmer.

In a nutshell: Shut up, America!

(I'd better stop before someone accuses me of hating freedom of speech...)

Allstories
May 4th, 2008, 12:55 PM
Men are designed to lead, there have been very few cases ever that a woman has stepped up.

Men think logically, and Women tend to think more emotionally. In a crisis situation, that means the world.

You don't reckon this has something to do with our cultural norms? Are you saying women can't be logical or react to situations rationally? I suppose men can't be emotional? Is this what you mean to imply? I mean, Hillary's not exactly my favorite candidate, but she seems like she can be a tough chick when she needs to be, and even if that's not the case, I don't think that says anything about the entirety of womankind. There have been female world leaders before, dude.

I also don't understand how a Woman can be Sexist against another Woman.

I don't understand how they can't? Of course you can deprecate of your own gender. What's so hard to understand about that?

I also have no clue how what she said could be considered Racist. I could scream Black Person right now, and would it be Racist?

As I said, I don't know if it was intentional or not, and I by no means intend to imply that I believe this to be the case, but saying stuff like "I know white guys who support him" strikes me as something someone would say to attempt to mask actual racist feelings. I'm not really going to hold this against her, though, I was just making an observation.

The problem is not Obama's skin but his character, he is "friendly" with unrepentant terrorists and liberal extremists. Would he make a good President? Hell no

Mind explaining how you came to this conclusion? I must have missed hearing about his dinner party with Bin Laden. What do you mean by 'friendly'?

Virtual Chatot
May 4th, 2008, 01:30 PM
Mind explaining how you came to this conclusion? I must have missed hearing about his dinner party with Bin Laden. What do you mean by 'friendly'?[/QUOTE]
He is friends with William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, the Weather Underground terrorists of the 1960’s. He was quoted in the New York Times wishing that he had done more. He is responsible for a few NYPD Bombings and Pentagon Bombings.

You don't reckon this has something to do with our cultural norms? Are you saying women can't be logical or react to situations rationally? I suppose men can't be emotional? Is this what you mean to imply? I mean, Hillary's not exactly my favorite candidate, but she seems like she can be a tough chick when she needs to be, and even if that's not the case, I don't think that says anything about the entirety of womankind. There have been female world leaders before, dude.
No, it is proven scientific fact that Women use 10 to 15 percent more of their minds towards emotion that Men do. It may not seem much, but on a cellular scale it is huge.
Hillary Clinton doesn't seem like she would do anything during a crisis situation. Anyone who would complain about getting tough questions during a debate just simply cannot be trusted to run an entire country that is already on the verge of collapse.

Allstories
May 4th, 2008, 03:34 PM
He is friends with William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, the Weather Underground terrorists of the 1960’s. He was quoted in the New York Times wishing that he had done more. He is responsible for a few NYPD Bombings and Pentagon Bombings.

He's casual friends with an english professor. The guy committed terrorist acts when Obama was like six years old. Jesus christ, I sincerely doubt that he, of all people, would have any discernible influence on Obama's character.

No, it is proven scientific fact that Women use 10 to 15 percent more of their minds towards emotion that Men do. It may not seem much, but on a cellular scale it is huge.
Hillary Clinton doesn't seem like she would do anything during a crisis situation. Anyone who would complain about getting tough questions during a debate just simply cannot be trusted to run an entire country that is already on the verge of collapse.

Source on that statistic? That sounds kinda shaky to me. Even so, there's far more to the spectrum of determining what makes a good candidate than just 'EMOTIONAL/NON-EMOTIONAL.' I'm pretty sure human emotion itself is more complex than that, for that matter. Quit oversimplifying things.

Apathetic_Yen
May 5th, 2008, 08:03 PM
I was going for Romney but now that he's out I guess I'll just go with McCain. The Democrats should be happy for this prez race. McCain has alot of very liberal views meaning it's a win/win/win situation for the dems.

INFOWARRIOR56
May 6th, 2008, 12:43 PM
From the Sun Times:

Obama's name in Rezko trial

FEDERAL COURT | Levine says senator attended bash for Iraqi crook

April 15, 2008

BY NATASHA KORECKI, CHRIS FUSCO AND TIM NOVAK
Chicago Sun-Times Staff Reporters

Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama was again drawn into Tony Rezko's corruption trial on Monday, when the prosecution's star witness placed Obama at a party for an Iraqi-born billionaire who was later barred entry to the United States.


Another staged 'discovery'. Just like every election. Does every presidential candidate in modern history really have a bunch of skeletons in their closet, or is this just staged?

Evidence that RezkoGate is another staged psyop to keep your interest is that the judge that took down Tony Rezko happens to be Patrick Fitzgerald, who covered the 1993 bombing (A psyop organized by the FBI, as recorded phone conversations now conclusively show), the case of FBI shill Sibel Edmonds, and the staged "PlameGate/Libby Trial" psyop.

Obama's Iraqi Oil for Food connection

By Andrew Walden

.....Rezko's relationship with Barack Obama goes back to at least 1990,
when Obama's law firm did work relating to a Rezko housing development.
Rezko was a key early-money fund raiser in Obama's state Senate
campaigns and his failed run at the US Congress. In June 2005, when the
mansion was purchased, Rezko was widely known to be under federal
investigation. Rezko also is a key fundraiser for Illinois Democratic
Governor Rod Blagojevich.

The sudden emergence of Auchi into this story indicates Rezko's deals
may include a money trail leading back to dead Iraqi dictator Saddam
Hussein. Auchi's Saddam links trace back to a failed 1959 assassination
attempt on the life of then-Iraqi-prime-minister Abdul Karim Qasim.

Auchi's General Mediterranean Holdings company was also the largest
private shareholder in Banque Nationale de Paris which later merged with
Paribas to become BNP Paribas. At Saddam's insistence, billions of
dollars of Oil for Food transactions passed through BNP from its 1995
inception until 2001.....

The Auchi-Obama links go beyond the mansion deal. The Times of
London February 1 reports uncovering, "state documents in Illinois
recording that Fintrade Services, a Panamanian company, lent money to
(an) Obama fundraiser in May 2005. Fintrade's directors include Ibtisam
Auchi, the name of Mr. Auchi's wife." ..........

Rezko, along with Ali Ata and Abdelhamid Chaib, face federal grand
jury charges presented in October 2006 by U.S. Attorney for Northern
Illinois Patrick Fitzgerald. The case revolves around allegations of
fraud between 2000 and 2004 in the sale of 17 Papa Johns' Pizza parlors
in Detroit, Chicago and Milwaukee. The case may begin with pizza but it
could easily lead back to Europe, Syria, Iraq, and the UN Oil for Food
program.

Having worked on all these psyops cases, it should be safe to assume that Fitzgerald is some sort of agent for the covert government. It's too much of a coincidence that he has covered all of these cases. And with all of the staged mudslinging/scandals in the 2008 election, is it any surprise that Fitzgerald chose to join in on the psyops parade?

CLINTON-BUSH PHOTO MONTAGE


http://takeoverworld.info/images/Bushclinton2.jpg

Billy stands with the Dictator.

http://takeoverworld.info/images/clinton_bush_buds.jpg (http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070917_giving_and_taking/)

George Bush Sr.'s two fake president sockpuppets together.

http://takeoverworld.info/images/Bush-Clinton-Bush-mena.gif (http://www.serendipity.li/cia.html#cia_and_cocaine_smuggling_at_mena)

I like to call this shot "Dah Mafia"

http://takeoverworld.info/images/Bush_Clinton_PSA.jpg

A family moment.


http://takeoverworld.info/images/ilduce.jpg (http://www.breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=827)
Poppy Bush watches his Sockpuppet #2 speak, with Sockpuppet #1 stands aside #2. The guy who made the caption is obviously aware of what is happening. http://takeoverworld.info/images/hillary-and-laura2.jpg (http://www.breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=136)

The Puppet Wives (The one on the left is possibly going to become Poppy's next puppet).

http://takeoverworld.info/images/hillary-bush.jpg

Puppet & Possible Future Puppet

http://takeoverworld.info/images/clinton_bush_hermes.jpg (http://www.hermes-press.com/profiteering.htm)

Yo yo yo!

=============

Um.. Wow. Anyone want to make a pairing RMV? (Think AMV, but not anime.) :)

Red1530
May 6th, 2008, 04:28 PM
I think the guy above me is a bit crazy. Also Senator Obama at the time of this posting has won North Carolina and Senator Clinton is winning Indiana.

The Infinite Devil Machine
May 6th, 2008, 04:40 PM
You do realize that the insurgents in Iraq want not only to topple the Iraqi Government but attack the American homeland. I live in New York State and I still remember 9/11 clearly. This one of the reasons I support the war in Iraq. We are killing them over there and not back in America.

Rob Riggle: "In 2001, there was a memo -- Bin Laden determined to attack United States from a safe haven in Afghanistan. . .
Now 7 years and $700 billion later, we get a new memo saying Bin Landen determined to attack United States from a safe haven somewhere around Afghanistan. . .

We are right back where we started. We could have gotten here by doing nothing."

All America has done is cause more unrest in Iraq.

Anyway, looks like Clinton has Indiana in the bag.

INFOWARRIOR56
May 6th, 2008, 06:12 PM
I think the guy above me is a bit crazy. Also Senator Obama at the time of this posting has won North Carolina and Senator Clinton is winning Indiana.

That's not nice. If you have something to say about my analysis of the current situation (Though it may be a little out of the box, the government-run mainstream media has built that box that it has been forced outside of.), say it with some points and an argument.

I shouldn't blame you. Two years ago, if anyone told me stuff like "George Bush Sr. is still running things", "The G8 controls the world", "9/11 and other terrorism is staged by the government/intelligence agencies" I would have thought they were insane. It wasn't until I started thinking for myself and pulling myself away from the mainstream media that I realized that it was the truth, and to my discomfort, it made sense.

Red1530
May 12th, 2008, 04:19 PM
Lets just agree to disagree, ok. It looks like that Senator Clinton's campaign for the Presidency is dead and Senator Obama is the Democratic nominee. And attention West Virgina voters, your primary is tomorrow.

Asura Nirosuki
May 14th, 2008, 08:03 PM
I wish Hillary Clinton would stop spending millions for her running, being where It stands Barrack Obama is in the lead. I would orginally vote for her yet I dont want her husband to become involved at all as I see he would..Obama himself is unexperienced, between them I'd choose him.

Captain Arcane
May 14th, 2008, 09:48 PM
I choose Obama, even though I can't vote yet, I'm rooting for him. He has poltical standards that put the nation first, and keep people safe. Unlike hillary, and McCain, >__> who in my opinion should be in a retirement home, rather than the oval office.......

Anyhoo, Barack all the way. "Woot woot woot woot woot"

INFOWARRIOR56
May 15th, 2008, 04:59 PM
Looks like the media attack dogs are going to stage another scandal on Obama. This one involves all the key players. The trial of Tony Rezko is going to end with a guilty verdict. The scammer will go down. But wait until the media gets that dirt about Obama's property ties to Rezko, and his ties to him going back to law school.

The judge is Amy St. Eve and the prosecutor is Patrick Fitzgerald. This isn't the only case that has had Fitzgerald as the prosecutor and St. Eve as the judge. They also worked together on the staged 'Conrad Black' case, which was staged to make us think that the neocons were going out. Both St. Eve and Fitzgerald were picked by Senator Peter Fitzgerald.

Patrick Fitzgerald had also been the prosecutor of the staged Libby/PlameGate case and the 1993 World Trade Center bombing case. Guess who the judge both of those times was? Bush-appointed Reggie Walton, who worked with the Sibel Edmonds case, the 9/11 Anthrax case.

Amy St. Eve worked for Ken Starr, who was linked to the whole staged "Lewinsky" affair, in relation to Bill Clinton.

People like Judge St. Eve, Prosecutor Fitzgerald, and Judge Walton are "safe pairs of hands". They are agents who are 100% paid to run cases like this.

This is a staged scandal to destroy Obama. Already, the key players such as Fitzgerald and St. Eve are getting ready to convict Tony Rezko of criminal activity, then the story of his links to Obama will break, and it will be another PastorGate story.

Young Stunna'
May 15th, 2008, 05:12 PM
Looks like the media attack dogs are going to stage another scandal on Obama. This one involves all the key players. The trial of Tony Rezko is going to end with a guilty verdict. The scammer will go down. But wait until the media gets that dirt about Obama's property ties to Rezko, and his ties to him going back to law school.

The judge is Amy St. Eve and the prosecutor is Patrick Fitzgerald. This isn't the only case that has had Fitzgerald as the prosecutor and St. Eve as the judge. They also worked together on the staged 'Conrad Black' case, which was staged to make us think that the neocons were going out. Both St. Eve and Fitzgerald were picked by Senator Peter Fitzgerald.

Patrick Fitzgerald had also been the prosecutor of the staged Libby/PlameGate case and the 1993 World Trade Center bombing case. Guess who the judge both of those times was? Bush-appointed Reggie Walton, who worked with the Sibel Edmonds case, the 9/11 Anthrax case.

Amy St. Eve worked for Ken Starr, who was linked to the whole staged "Lewinsky" affair, in relation to Bill Clinton.

People like Judge St. Eve, Prosecutor Fitzgerald, and Judge Walton are "safe pairs of hands". They are agents who are 100% paid to run cases like this.

This is a staged scandal to destroy Obama. Already, the key players such as Fitzgerald and St. Eve are getting ready to convict Tony Rezko of criminal activity, then the story of his links to Obama will break, and it will be another PastorGate story.

I hope that plan works. And is Tony Rezko the terrorist that Obama is friends with?

INFOWARRIOR56
May 15th, 2008, 05:20 PM
I hope that plan works. And is Tony Rezko the terrorist that Obama is friends with?

Not a terrorist. A scammer. Here's a flowchart by BreakForNews that explains the ties between Obama, Rezko, and the shadow government's court spooks.

http://breakfornews.com/obama.jpg

icomeanon6
May 17th, 2008, 09:29 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws&feature=related

So, who agrees with Obama? Post a comment and say how many states you think there are!

Gummy
May 17th, 2008, 09:41 AM
Everybody makes mistakes *looks at current President*. Give the guy a break.

Saryka
May 17th, 2008, 09:51 AM
It was just a mistake. Don't get on his case for something small like that.

Gerri Shin
May 17th, 2008, 09:51 AM
I'm pretty sure he just mis-spoke and said 57 instead of 47. that kind of mistake is easy to make when speaking in front of a few thousand people.

Mario The World Champion
May 17th, 2008, 10:02 AM
Heck, any poltician going for President these days is under the spotlight so much that people with nothing else to do besides watch for little slip ups like that, just pounce on them and make them a big deal when it's not.

Honestly, I wish the whole Primary stuff ends soon. Hillary gave it her best shot, but it's time to end this. But, that's just me.

icomeanon6
May 17th, 2008, 10:11 AM
So, putting a link to a video in an "other chat" section of a forum is "making a big deal" all of the sudden? And, as I also acknowledged in the title of this thread, I know that it was a mistake, not an instance of stupidity. What ever happened to the good old days when you could make a little fun of politicians?

By the way, if McCain had slipped up like that, I guarantee that it would have been all over the news.

INFOWARRIOR56
May 17th, 2008, 10:37 AM
Heck, any poltician going for President these days is under the spotlight so much that people with nothing else to do besides watch for little slip ups like that, just pounce on them and make them a big deal when it's not.

Honestly, I wish the whole Primary stuff ends soon. Hillary gave it her best shot, but it's time to end this. But, that's just me.

I wouldn't count Clinton out just yet. James Thurber said that 'absent an unanticipated scandal', Obama will win. The unanticipated scandal is the Rezko trial. When Tony Rezko is given the guilty verdict, it will come into the public eye that $10,000 of scammed money was donated to the Obama campaign by a Rezko associate, and that Obama and Rezko go way back.

This story is going to explode into a full-blown scandal sometime next week, probably.

Mario The World Champion
May 17th, 2008, 10:56 AM
The Rezko trial? I haven't heard anything about that. I've only been watching some coverage of the race whenever I'm on break at work. If this does come to light, like you said, and totally change everything, I bet Rush Limbaugh will be happy, with that "Operation Chaos" of his still going on.

I think my neighbor might be right when he said that the race will most likely go right to the Democratic National Convention and totally split the Democratic party.

Aegis
May 17th, 2008, 11:52 AM
Since this has to do with the 2008 US Presedintial Election, it belongs in the existing election thread.

-Merged-

INFOWARRIOR56
May 17th, 2008, 12:25 PM
The Rezko trial? I haven't heard anything about that. I've only been watching some coverage of the race whenever I'm on break at work. If this does come to light, like you said, and totally change everything, I bet Rush Limbaugh will be happy, with that "Operation Chaos" of his still going on.

I think my neighbor might be right when he said that the race will most likely go right to the Democratic National Convention and totally split the Democratic party.

They'll be all over it once the verdict is given. The media loves this type of dirt. Pastorgate was a cake walk for Obama compared to what this could mean for him.

Stalin Malone
May 18th, 2008, 04:44 PM
Pity none of the candidates running are fit for the white house. I wish the upcoming general election was between Harold Ford and Lincoln Chaffee instead of either of the 2 dem hacks(the muslim and the extremely unqualified first lady) and the republican choice of an insane former POW. Yes, it'd be a tough choice for me but I'd know that both candidates would be decent.

INFOWARRIOR56
May 18th, 2008, 06:56 PM
Pity none of the candidates running are fit for the white house. I wish the upcoming general election was between Harold Ford and Lincoln Chaffee instead of either of the 2 dem hacks(the muslim and the extremely unqualified first lady) and the republican choice of an insane former POW. Yes, it'd be a tough choice for me but I'd know that both candidates would be decent.

I agree. None of the choices are that great. I wish Kucinich was still in this thing.

Stalin Malone
May 18th, 2008, 07:32 PM
Kuchnich? Great, if he got into power we'd take steps towards eurabian style socialism with all it's resulting powers. He's even worse than the 3 fools running.

txteclipse
May 18th, 2008, 08:29 PM
Ugh. None of the current candidates appeal to me in the least. I'm going to write-in Chuck Norris.

INFOWARRIOR56
May 19th, 2008, 07:21 PM
Kuchnich? Great, if he got into power we'd take steps towards eurabian style socialism with all it's resulting powers. He's even worse than the 3 fools running.

Please name some actual problems with the candidate.

-He wants to end the Iraq war.

-He is against domestic surveillance and the PATRIOT act.

-He is aware of the military industrial complex.

-He is pushing for a new investigation of 9/11 and has accepted numerous 911 documentaries and info from members of the truth movement.

Stalin Malone
May 22nd, 2008, 01:30 PM
Democratic socialism is problematic in Europe and would be problematic here. To analyze your points.

1 Reasonable enough but too rapid of a withdrawel causes massive problems.

2 Having 2 decent ideas doesn't excuse the rest of his beliefs being looney

3 Uh huh. Being aware of it isn't the same thing as planning to do something about it.

4 Are you for real? Pokecommunity has truthers now?

Bug Catcher Nick
May 22nd, 2008, 01:33 PM
I'm sick of Clinton constantly trying to belittle Obama.

icomeanon6
May 22nd, 2008, 02:06 PM
I'm sick of Clinton constantly trying to belittle Obama.
That's exactly what I can't stand about Clinton, she's a complete hypocrite who wants nothing except to attain the office. If she really cared about the issues she stands for, she would have already withdrawn and endorsed Obama. The way she's carrying on can't do anything except make the division in the Democratic party even wider. Clinton is probably being the world's biggest help to McCain right now.

Shadowed Fate
May 23rd, 2008, 03:37 PM
I guess the only hope to US is on the form of Ron Paul.

He makes even someone positive, like Barrack Obama, look negative, apart from being ten times the Republican McCain is. =/

http://www.americanfreepress.net/RonPaul_4-09-081.pdf

Stalin Malone
May 24th, 2008, 10:33 AM
So you basically support the type of racist reactionary whose political beliefs were fringe in 1850? Classy.

Allstories
May 24th, 2008, 11:02 AM
Yeah, seriously. Ron Paul is the worst candidate ever. He's a racist, paranoid, contrarian lunatic who wants to bring the country back to the dark ages. At least Huckabee wore his craziness on his sleeve.

Stalin Malone
May 24th, 2008, 11:04 AM
Yeah, seriously. Ron Paul is the worst candidate ever. He's a racist, paranoid, contrarian lunatic who wants to bring the country back to the dark ages. At least Huckabee wore his craziness on his sleeve.

THIS times 1000.

Huckabee is downright liberal compared to Ron paul. I'm for real on this. Both are terrible candidates but Ron Paul is several times worse.

Red1530
June 3rd, 2008, 04:16 PM
I did a report on Ron Paul for my Collage Level U.S. Government class and found that though he had radical positions, he was not a raciest. I think the reason people say he is a raciest is because he has be against affirmative action from the get go. Also the AP reports (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/03/ap-obama-clinches-democratic-nomination-with-superdelegates/) that Senator Obama has cross the magic number of 2,118.

icomeanon6
June 3rd, 2008, 06:51 PM
Well, it's official: Hilary has lost. (Wow! I totally didn't see that coming!) *rolls eyes*

I'm wondering what's going to happen now. With all the mudslinging that's been going on, I doubt that Clinton and Obama will end up running together in a "dream-ticket." One thing that I'm pretty sure of is that McCain is going to have a much tougher time. Obama just doesn't gather hatred in the same way that Clinton does.

Any other thoughts on the matter?

Young Stunna'
June 3rd, 2008, 06:56 PM
WHAT???

AHH HELL NAW

No no no no no no no no no

Not Barrack Obama

I think I'm gonna cry. Please call me a little girl because this country is going to be destroyed and I can't do a thing about it.

icomeanon6
June 3rd, 2008, 07:33 PM
WHAT???

AHH HELL NAW

No no no no no no no no no

Not Barrack Obama

I think I'm gonna cry. Please call me a little girl because this country is going to be destroyed and I can't do a thing about it.
Chill, Obama is not president yet. Anyway, America has never been "destroyed" because of a president. (Although some could argue that Lincoln ordered the annihilation of about half of it...) At any rate, it's way too early to be jumping to conclusions. Frankly, I would much rather have Obama be president than Hilary, I think he has far greater integrity.

Barker
June 3rd, 2008, 07:48 PM
WHAT???

AHH HELL NAW

No no no no no no no no no

Not Barrack Obama

I think I'm gonna cry. Please call me a little girl because this country is going to be destroyed and I can't do a thing about it.
Little girl. :P

Obama will do just fine as president, if elected.

gizmo1
June 4th, 2008, 06:40 AM
the election is worthless now. micain is just like bush with his oil, obama is muslum, and clinton will put people out of jobs. i will never vote for any of those turps.

Went
June 4th, 2008, 06:51 AM
I'm happy to see that Obama is the chosen candidate now. I hope that Hillary will stop torpedoing their campaing from the inside, and maybe we'll see the first black president of the US.
At least, he will be somewhat different. I don't know if he will bring up the change the US need, but at least he'll do something different than McCain, aka "Bush second part".

the election is worthless now. micain is just like bush with his oil, obama is muslum, and clinton will put people out of jobs. i will never vote for any of those turps.

Obama is muslim? Weird, I though he always said he was Christian, and he describes his parents, raised as muslims, as "atheistic".

sims796
June 4th, 2008, 07:04 AM
I don't think so. I couldn't care less about the first black president. Hell, if things screw up, it'll hurt the rest of our chances at a black president.

Regardless, I've never heard of him before. Neither side expressed their veiws well enough, and he hasn't shown me what I can get for using my first vote on him. I have seen Hillary's track record, however. She has made a name for herself. Outside of Bill Clinton, mind you. I don't want to vote for Barrack just because Hillary's out. Not that I don't think he'd make a good president, but I never heard of him. I'll only insult him, me, & my entire race of I vote for him soley because he's black.

Gumball Watterson
June 4th, 2008, 08:13 AM
Good job Gratoh! You ate enough delegates to get Clinton out. Have a cookie.

And now my turn. Think about it People. Would you rather have a Bush clone that has the Highest chances of starting uo WWIII. Or would you rather have a responsible African with faith in education and war ending take over. I'd choose him, Obama. Unless your racist, humanitarian,Canibal, or Hitler, you'd risk McAine. If McAine wins, even the little towns in the deep desert away from Majority and ignored from Public would have to learn a Nuclear Drill. Then again. Felipe beat Obrador by a hair in the Mexican Election, so miracles can happen. I wish luck to the McAine supporters trying to dodge Gratoh's chomps.

Got Hope? Obama FTW.

sims796
June 4th, 2008, 08:23 AM
Good job Gratoh! You ate enough delegates to get Clinton out. Have a cookie.

And now my turn. Think about it People. Would you rather have a Bush clone that has the Highest chances of starting uo WWIII. Or would you rather have a responsible African with faith in education and war ending take over. I'd choose him, Obama. Unless your racist, humanitarian,Canibal, or Hitler, you'd risk McAine. If McAine wins, even the little towns in the deep desert away from Majority and ignored from Public would have to learn a Nuclear Drill. Then again. Felipe beat Obrador by a hair in the Mexican Election, so miracles can happen. I wish luck to the McAine supporters trying to dodge Gratoh's chomps.

Got Hope? Obama FTW.

That is a pretty insulting view. Why must they be all that not to vote for Obama? Franky, as an African, I'm, insulting by people voting him in (or out) just because of his race. I'm glad he hardly ever tried using that to his advantage. The odd "first black president" here & there, but nothing shoved down our throats. I'm not saying I'm voting for Mclain, I feel he's a mini Bush as well, but to call people racist for voting him over Obama is insulting to Obama. Unless, of course, that IS the reason, in which case, you're right.

As I said, I don't have a real clue about his views as it is. I have never heard of him before,and he'll need more than being black to get my vote. I've seen what Hillary has done, so she had my vote. But I might not vote at all now. I don't want a runner up president.

.Bastion
June 4th, 2008, 08:35 AM
I prefer Clinton to Obama. Even though Clinton lost, I'll probably support Obama anyway just because I don't like McCain's platform. It's just Bush version 2.0

I hope the 'dream ticket' does happen though.

Bishopk
June 4th, 2008, 08:53 AM
Good job Gratoh! You ate enough delegates to get Clinton out. Have a cookie.

And now my turn. Think about it People. Would you rather have a Bush clone that has the Highest chances of starting uo WWIII. Or would you rather have a responsible African with faith in education and war ending take over. I'd choose him, Obama. Unless your racist, humanitarian,Canibal, or Hitler, you'd risk McAine. If McAine wins, even the little towns in the deep desert away from Majority and ignored from Public would have to learn a Nuclear Drill. Then again. Felipe beat Obrador by a hair in the Mexican Election, so miracles can happen. I wish luck to the McAine supporters trying to dodge Gratoh's chomps.

Got Hope? Obama FTW.

Well, let me start by saying I take offense to that. All of it.
Obama's from Chicago, not Africa. My goodness, just because his father is Kenyan doesn't make him a total African as well.
McCain is becoming a Bush clone, but he would not start WWIII. Just because Bush has lost most of his support doesn't mean he has the right (in his final months as President) to
attack every major country in the world. He still needs Congress' approval to do that. McCain will have the same restriction.
Just because you don't like Obama doesn't make you a racist. In fact, voting for him because of his race is racist. Feel free to vote for whomever you want, but it should be based on their views, not race, gender, or health.
It does not matter who is voted in as the next president, there will always be hostility towards the United States. If we can prevent radicals and terrorist groups from obtaining WMDs, then we're safe. No "Nuclear Drill." To call McCain a warmonger is to overly exaggerate. Not all Republicans want to start WWIII. Not all Republicans are going to destroy the world.

Get a grip, man. If you don't support McCain, don't vote for him. But please don't say mean and untruthful things about him.

That said, I support Obama :P

22sa
June 4th, 2008, 01:14 PM
Since I support the far right, McCain

Red1530
June 4th, 2008, 04:34 PM
Obama is muslim? Weird, I though he always said he was Christian, and he describes his parents, raised as muslims, as "atheistic".You are correct, he is a Christian. I guess that gizmo1 got a chain e-mail that stated that Obama was a Muslim. Also to the AdvancedK9 believes that anyone that votes against Obama is a racist. I am against Obama because:


He is against the War in Iraq
His lack of experience

Also Senator McCain has challenged Senator Obama to a series of town hall style debates.

sims796
June 4th, 2008, 04:39 PM
Sorry, I'm somewhat against the war as well, but lets leave that be for now.

I am against BOTH of them for the time. The second one you pointed out is my main reason I am against Obama, his lack of experience. As for Mcain, well, I don't want another Republican in office, they've been in power too long, and I don't like the direction.

icomeanon6
June 4th, 2008, 07:03 PM
As for Mcain, well, I don't want another Republican in office, they've been in power too long, and I don't like the direction.
One thing I've never understood is why the United States needs a two-party system. In just about every other country, you can't count the number of political parties on two hands, and yet America has two. Having only two parties really reduces the number of moderate viewpoints, and it discourages cooperation. In a system with more parties, the parties need to compromise and work together in order to find a solution because none of them ever hold the majority.

Xairmo
June 4th, 2008, 07:06 PM
I believe there are more than two political parties in the United States...theres just only two MAJOR parties xD
I think if we had too many parties it would just cause more conflic, or moreover there would be more conflicting ideas D8

sims796
June 4th, 2008, 07:11 PM
We have many parties here. Liberals, Independant, Working Families (WTF?), etc. Just the Democrats & Republicans are often the most running.

While I'm on this, the Congress are often the opposite party of the president, in order to gain more conflict. We want that. It keeps their powers in check. If there were all Republicans, we'd all be at war, & eventually dead. If it was all Democrats, we'd be protesting all day, & eventually, they'll kill us. We need these balance of powers. Although with Bush here, that balance was ruined somewhat, him going against Congress wishes.

Xairmo
June 4th, 2008, 07:14 PM
I'm kinda fine with anyone winning the presidency as of now. I'm hoping for Obama but if Mccain wins it's no biggy. I just want Bush out of there. He is the worst thing that ever happened to us. He is the ONLY president who has an entire t.v. show dedicated to mocking him T_T
Bush ruined more than just the system of checks and balances >.>

Midnight Beat
June 4th, 2008, 07:23 PM
On the topic of "the war in Iraq", it's been over since December 2003, that's only five years ago. America was in Germany for 10 years after the official end of WWII. It could be a lot worse, and it will get worse if we pull out now. The post war clean up is keeping Iraq stable, something it can do on it's own yet. With Obama's policies, we would leave Iraq much too soon, and the entire country would fall into another military dictatorship followed by genocide. We need to pull out, that I agree on. But it needs to be a slow and well thought out process.

And I don't know where everybody gets the idea that McCain is pro-war. He is actually in favor of reducing the country's nuclear arsenal.

But that's not why I wanted to post here.
Obama has obviously won the primary, even if Clinton refuses to accept that she has lost. But Clinton has made it very clear that she is open to running with Obama as VP. That being said, what do you think of the two running together? Do you thing Obama would even consider it with all the blood that been shed on the way to the nomination?

icomeanon6
June 4th, 2008, 07:35 PM
I'm kinda fine with anyone winning the presidency as of now. I'm hoping for Obama but if Mccain wins it's no biggy. I just want Bush out of there. He is the worst thing that ever happened to us. He is the ONLY president who has an entire t.v. show dedicated to mocking him T_T
Bush ruined more than just the system of checks and balances >.>
Every single president in American history has been called "the worst thing that ever happened to us" at some point. We won't be able to tell how Bush will be looked upon historically until the conflict in the middle east ends. If you had told someone in 1862 that Abraham Lincoln would become the most popular president there ever was, they would have just laughed in your face. No one would have guessed that someone who ordered a ruthless attack on what had once been a part of his own country would become so beloved in the future. Winners write the history books, and they will inevitably decide whether Bush is "the worst thing that ever happened to us" or not.

Obama has obviously won the primary, even if Clinton refuses to accept that she has lost. But Clinton has made it very clear that she is open to running with Obama as VP. That being said, what do you think of the two running together? Do you thing Obama would even consider it with all the blood that been shed on the way to the nomination?
If Obama were to accept Clinton as a running mate, two things would probably happen. One: Clinton's supporters would flock to Obama. Two: Everyone else would flock to McCain. Let's face it, Clinton isn't the most popular politician around. I think that having her running for VP would be like a double-edged sword for Obama.

Allstories
June 4th, 2008, 07:58 PM
Clinton isn't going to be Obama's VP. You can't berate a guy and suggest that his opponent is the better man and still expect him to make you his running mate.

sims796
June 4th, 2008, 08:10 PM
I still find this to be a sad election this year. Personally, I've love to see Mayor Juliani as runner, but I can dream. They spent too much time appearing on WWE, & TYra Banks, and other crap. Of course, Grampa Mcanin can't risk the hip, so he stayed behind.


Regardless, I don't agree with the business in Iraq, nor do I agree with Mcain's views on the matter. I'm still unaware of Obama's, and I know Hillary's, like it matters now. Still if she can't run a campaign, shows her presidential skill, in the short run.

ChuBoy
June 4th, 2008, 08:36 PM
I heard that Hillary is going to drop out at the end of the week and endorse Obama. Personally, I think either one of them would make a good leader and repair this country from what Bush has done to it. However, I too worry about Obama. I have been discriminated against for being African American before and I would not want anything to happen to him.

As for McCain, I disagree with him on many points. He also has copied some points Obama and Hillary have proposed to do in order to get support. I don't want another Republican president.

Shadow236
June 5th, 2008, 03:28 PM
Okay, my opinion is... Hillary Clinton would have saved America, Obama is going
to have something happen to him if he wins... and John McCain is the death of the
Country Of America. Regarding all of that I say (even though it sounds unrealistic)
every American should ban together and vote for a third party to show we won't
stand for this garbage! And really show we don't agree with either candidate
eye to eye. (it is unfair that McCain gets to have a free path to presidency)

TRIFORCE89
June 5th, 2008, 03:51 PM
Hillary Clinton would have saved America
How?

Obama is going to have something happen to him if he wins...
Unfortunately, that wouldn't surprise me. I'm hoping otherwise though.

and John McCain is the death of the Country Of America.
Again, how?

Regarding all of that I say (even though it sounds unrealistic)
Yes it does. I've found that if you actually look at their histories, where they've stood in the past, what they stand for now, and what they say they're going to do - you get a completely different picture. Look beyond the party titles attached to them and you may find a role reversal...

every American should ban together and vote for a third party
Is Jesse Ventura on the ballot?

And really show we don't agree with either candidate eye to eye.
I don't think anyone does ever.

(it is unfair that McCain gets to have a free path to presidency)
Now, I like McCain. I've been following him for some time. Not that I want him to have a free path, that isn't democratic. Nor, do I think he'll have a free path. I'm fine with either candidate getting elected (although... Obama's friends and connections concern me). There is one main way I can see McCain causing harm. He may be part of the republican party, but he is on the left end of the spectrum. If he gets elected and stays on that end of the spectrum, I'm happy. But to win he has to appeal to the far right, which is not good. Depending how much he has to change his policies to get their vote is the problem.

Roughly 30% of Americans are independent. If you can't vote for a third party then please vote for one of them. Whoever it is. If you don't vote, you have no reason to complain. Nice benefit to be Canadian is that we have at least three major parties and then a few minor ones. And they're mostly all on the ballot. :p

Gumball Watterson
June 5th, 2008, 06:27 PM
Well, let me start by saying I take offense to that. All of it.
Obama's from Chicago, not Africa. My goodness, just because his father is Kenyan doesn't make him a total African as well.
McCain is becoming a Bush clone, but he would not start WWIII. Just because Bush has lost most of his support doesn't mean he has the right (in his final months as President) to
attack every major country in the world. He still needs Congress' approval to do that. McCain will have the same restriction.
Just because you don't like Obama doesn't make you a racist. In fact, voting for him because of his race is racist. Feel free to vote for whomever you want, but it should be based on their views, not race, gender, or health.
It does not matter who is voted in as the next president, there will always be hostility towards the United States. If we can prevent radicals and terrorist groups from obtaining WMDs, then we're safe. No "Nuclear Drill." To call McCain a warmonger is to overly exaggerate. Not all Republicans want to start WWIII. Not all Republicans are going to destroy the world.

Get a grip, man. If you don't support McCain, don't vote for him. But please don't say mean and untruthful things about him.

That said, I support Obama :P

Yuo fixed me, got me off track, i felt emo for a microsecond, then just plain confused about the racism issue. Well, I don't think you caught that I probably meant to say african american. You DO know that people born out of the US states or territories can't be president. And saying voting for Obama of race is racist mean's I'd be racist against whites and still be feeding chicken littles in Veracruz. And by the conditions right now, Mcaine could certainly be part warmonger since he is for the Iraq War. The nuclear war drill was just a JKS(Just kiddin similie.

Oh, and before I forget.

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Anti
June 6th, 2008, 12:58 PM
Love how the google ad has Obama in red font and McCain in blue lol

Anyways, I support Barack Obama. I honestly don't think John McCain is so bad either, though I'm against the war in Iraq. I really don't mind McCain though, and he gets major style points for sleeping during Bush's state of the union address :P Yeah, it's kind of a joke, don't take the style points thing very seriously ;)

George Washington warned us about political parties. Whoever brought up how only two parties is a bad thing, I agree. They only divide us as a country and as a government. Even in the earliest years of our country they have caused loads of problems.

Bishopk
June 6th, 2008, 04:42 PM
George Washington warned us about political parties. Whoever brought up how only two parties is a bad thing, I agree. They only divide us as a country and as a government. Even in the earliest years of our country they have caused loads of problems.

In addition, compartmentalizing and categorizing people based on their political party is lame. Not everyone is a mindless drone that completely copies their party's platform. Make your own decisions, and don't judge people based on theirs.
I guess it kind of doesn't make sense when you say it like that. Oh well. (http://wisecrackexpress.blogspot.com/2008/05/well-thought-out-response.html)

Red1530
June 6th, 2008, 06:21 PM
One thing I've never understood is why the United States needs a two-party system. In just about every other country, you can't count the number of political parties on two hands, and yet America has two. Having only two parties really reduces the number of moderate viewpoints, and it discourages cooperation. In a system with more parties, the parties need to compromise and work together in order to find a solution because none of them ever hold the majority.The primary reason the United States has a two-party system is because the seats in Congress are assigned to the winners of Congressional District races and the Senate races at the state level. However if the amount of seats each party was decided in proportion to the amount of the vote each party received in the general election. If that was the case then third-parties would be stronger in the United States.

sims796
June 6th, 2008, 10:33 PM
In addition, compartmentalizing and categorizing people based on their political party is lame. Not everyone is a mindless drone that completely copies their party's platform. Make your own decisions, and don't judge people based on theirs.
I guess it kind of doesn't make sense when you say it like that. Oh well. (http://wisecrackexpress.blogspot.com/2008/05/well-thought-out-response.html)

Not really. You make it seem as if Democrats can only vote for other democrats, and vice-versa. Parties are just groups that share the same ideals. However, if you feel the opposing canidate has better views, by all means, your free to vote for them.