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John Denver
October 20th, 2003, 07:53 AM
Also known as the rapture...

NOTE: This is not a Creation vs. Evolution thread, partain to topic please...

For all of you who do believe in God and the Rapture, when do you think it'l happen. People say it'll happen in our generation, of course, people have been saying that for years...

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BOO ya!

DragonTrainer
October 20th, 2003, 05:11 PM
I believe that the rapture will happen when the entire world is at war, and we are on the verge of annihilating the earth.While I am scared when I think about it, God says that you should never fear him or what he does, for it is the best.Then again, when people say, if God is real, why is there so much diseases, etc.My answer is, God won't always do things directly.He knows what he does, and how he does it,, no matter what it looks like.These are my beliefs, and I will stand by them.Wow, this is the most I have ever typed in here.

Keleri
October 20th, 2003, 06:17 PM
I don't believe it'll happen. The only evidence for it is found in the book of revelations, which was written using a great deal of symbolism for first-century christians. The concept is rather ludicrous when you think about it, anyway. So...no.

Kayleigh
October 20th, 2003, 06:21 PM
I think it will, but I doubt it'll be in our lifetime. God says that a thousand years to us is like a single day to Him, and since the end of the world is supposed to come in a very long time, I just don't think that it will happen any time soon. But, I could be wrong...

John Denver
October 21st, 2003, 12:42 PM
...It also says 1 day is like a thousand years...the whole purpose of that passage means that time has got nothing on God...

So for all we know, the rapture'l prolly happen in the next 5 minutes...yep

*waits anxiously*

BOO ya!

Kayleigh
October 21st, 2003, 01:04 PM
...It also says 1 day is like a thousand years...the whole purpose of that passage means that time has got nothing on God...

So for all we know, the rapture'l prolly happen in the next 5 minutes...yep

*waits anxiously*

BOO ya!
Ooh, ya think? o_o *starts praying and reading her Bible*

:P

DragonTrainer
October 21st, 2003, 01:49 PM
I don't think there would be days and nights in heaven.I mean, in the bible it says that in heaven it will always be light, and there will never be darkness.I agree with Dakota and Kayleigh, time has nothing to do with God.He knows, and he will choose the time for the end of the world, and the sinners and non-believers to recieve their judgement.

Frostweaver
October 21st, 2003, 03:04 PM
Why in the world would time matter to God?

Afterall, God is the Alpha. He is also the Omega. Someone who is the beginning and the end is not limited by time at all...

i never read revelations as i'm terribly afraid of it. Not afraid of the prophecy but most of the time people only understands so little of it but pretends that they know everything about the book of revelation. Then they go off to screw off other people's mind with their wrong beliefs regarding christianity and revelation... i would never allow myself to do that...

reading revelation = lots of guidance from other + great knowledge of the bible and its other books + prior knowledge and wisdom from god

John Denver
October 21st, 2003, 03:57 PM
The book of rev. is the only book I can think of that has rapture info in it. I can;t think of any other ones but I KNOW there are more...at least I think there are more...hmm

BOO ya!

Chaskis Sato
October 21st, 2003, 03:59 PM
I beleive that the Armegedon war will happen with in a year, from thence most if not all of the prohicies will be fulfilled.

Chaskis Sato
October 21st, 2003, 04:01 PM
I beleive that the Armegedon war will happen with in a year, from thence most if not all of the prohicies will be fulfilled. How long will the war last though. And will the U.S. be the world dictator? I think since there is the concpirecy of the luminaty controlling our government its quite possible.

Show me some response.

Keleri
October 21st, 2003, 04:09 PM
He knows, and he will choose the time for the end of the world, and the sinners and non-believers to recieve their judgement.


So for all we know, the rapture'l prolly happen in the next 5 minutes...yep

*waits anxiously*


...

Okay...look, I'm not trying to flame either of you, I'm just trying to get you to think about what you're saying...

Both of these posts seem to carry the assumption that the poster is a 'good christian'; basically, that should the rapture occur, the poster will be brought into heaven immediately.

This is the sort of arrogance that helped me see the faults of organized religion. I was brought up Catholic, and am still going to a Catholic school. How can anyone assume that they are guaranteed a spot in heaven? That kind of "oho, I'm not a sinner! I hope the rapture happens right now so I can go to heaven and watch the majority of the world's population suffer and probably die under the rule of the antichrist! yay!" attitude just makes me sick. =/

Chaskis Sato
October 21st, 2003, 07:17 PM
Ok, you know what I think, I think that you are guranteed a spot in heaven if you beleive in God and are saved by his grace, along with knowing that God sent Jesus to die on the cross to take away this sin of the world.

Not to pick on you but, you said you hope the rapture happens soon so you can watch all the non beleivers suffer... hmm...well you should think of this you must lead a poor life of not knowing compleatly what God wants us to do hear on Earth.

Even though there are those that do not believe or refuse to believe God dose not want them to suffer and neither should you.

Anyway, there are prophicies not written in the book of Rev. However, I am not 100% sure that the Rapture will happen in our life time, but it all makes sense now.

~When the Euphraties dries up...Thats possible thanks to all the dams in that area.

~When Babalon falls(Iraq today is Babalon and Sadam has fallen)

~To major people will die in Israiel for the whole world to see, hmm...yep that is also possible.

Their will be Armegedon and we as Christians have to not worry about it. We are in "God's Army" with enough faith you can save yourself through him. "As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I should fear no evil for thou art with me thy rod and thy staff they comfort me..." If you are acting in the war of Armegedon and die you should know that you are going to heaven if you believe. If you surrvive the war and then the rapture happens then you will go to heaven if you believe and when "God comes like a theif in the night" you should know you will go to heaven with no dought.

Forget all the mysteries of life, like UFO's and whats beyond space, God has an answer. Forget about the "unanswerable questions is lifes rugged and crooked path" for all will be well when the rapture happens.

Rift
October 21st, 2003, 07:26 PM
*gets a bag of popcorn and waits with Dakota* Maybe...its happen...now! *big flash of light comes on* oooooowwwww aaaaawwwwww!!! cool! *its really my little brother flicking the lights on and off* oh, too bad...

22sa
October 22nd, 2003, 05:28 AM
...It also says 1 day is like a thousand years...the whole purpose of that passage means that time has got nothing on God...

So for all we know, the rapture'l prolly happen in the next 5 minutes...yep

*waits anxiously*

BOO ya!
Unless I don't know what the rapture is, it can't happen in the next 5 minutes Dakota. ;) The Anti-Christ will control the whole world at a certain point. The Roman empire will be reborn as the European Union. There will be a 7 year war. The Anti-Christ will sign a non-aggression pact with Isreal (I don't know why this is important though), but they will later break it and invade Isreal. Under the Anti-Christ's power everyone will have to wear his symbol, 666, in order to buy and sell. If you wear it, you'll lose eternal salvation. It'll be a very tough time for Christians. I think this has to happen before the rapture occurs.

John Denver
October 22nd, 2003, 07:21 AM
Nick...I mean, CHaskis, took the words outa my mouth

BOO ya!

Chaskis Sato
October 22nd, 2003, 01:14 PM
22sa hmm...where in the Bible did you find all that info?
Like I said we are in God's Army and if everyone had to wear the Anti-Chrits's stupid number than I would not wear it even if it meant life and death.

When the Anit-Christ comes will you be ready? I know I will and being a Christian I will stay strong in my faith and prevail over the Anti-Christ, because he holds no power over me.

Its quite possible that the Anti-Chirst would go in search for Christians and try and trick them into thinking he is Chirst, which he is NOT. Will you be ready?

Today Isreal is one of the countries in the most trouble, read the paper every day and you will realize that its very very close and that a peace treaty could come and will be broken by a dictating country (i.e. Syria or some other near by country)

A wall is being formed to block Israelies from entering "Palistine" and that is causing lots of trouble. A peace treaty could be made, and soon maybe.

Read the Newspaper and watch the news it all makes sense. Prevail over the Anti-Christ when or if he comes in our life time.

Keleri
October 22nd, 2003, 04:25 PM
Not to pick on you but, you said you hope the rapture happens soon so you can watch all the non beleivers suffer... hmm...well you should think of this you must lead a poor life of not knowing compleatly what God wants us to do hear on Earth.

Even though there are those that do not believe or refuse to believe God dose not want them to suffer and neither should you.


Me? I don't even believe in the rapture. I'm trying to speak from a theological perspective...I don't believe in it, but I know the mechanics. Try to read my posts more carefully.

I don't want people to suffer, but supposedly under the rule of the anti-christ there will be a great deal of fighting and conflict, apocalyptic rains of fire and such. Anyone who *wants* the rapture to happen soon is being distressingly selfish and arrogant.

Can anyone claim to know exactly what your god wants you to do? More arrogance...

If the god of the israelites does not want people to suffer, why do they? Why will millions die in the apocalypse? And if you're going to answer something to the effect of "God moves in mysterious ways", or an excuse based on free will, save it.

DragonTrainer
October 22nd, 2003, 04:36 PM
I think all that God wants you to do is be a good Christian, and not sin, and live a hapy life.What do you mean save it that God does things his own way?

Chaskis Sato
October 22nd, 2003, 06:49 PM
In the book of Rev, prophacies have been fulfilled. The Bible has never been proven wrong either...so tell me this, what exactly do you beleive?

God is merciful, and all this has to happen. Israelites die in suicide bombings day after day, so your question is why do they suffer...well they can't control what other people do to them. This world is filled with sin, greed, and violence, so if a Israelie dies in a suicide bombing or what not, if he beleives in God and knows that he is saved by his grace then he will go to heaven where there is no sin, greed, or violence, he will have eternal life and joy.

So why do they suffer? They don't. They can't control what happens to them...It has to happen so the prophicies can be fulfilled. Since the Bible hasn't been proven wrong and alot of the prophacies have been fulfilled they others will happen.

Prove the Bible wrong then come complain to me ok?

Frostweaver
October 22nd, 2003, 09:31 PM
k can both Chaskis Sato and Keleri both cool down in this? Let's not turn this into a flame war as smoke is beginning to rise from this topic already. This is and will be the last religious thread for a long time as the mods have put a stop on religious topics... let's prove them wrong first of all by proving that we are mature enough to handle differences in religious beliefs.

Christian or not, just looking at morals alone we are suppose to respect one another. During times of debate and argument, we don't have to give a tone within our speeches that "the other side is arrogant while my side is the truth."

If you don't believe in the rapture, you can simply say "i don't believe in it..." You do not have to critize the other side while you're at it, especially calling a religion arrogant or "full of faults."

On the other hand, as a christian we are suppose to help others believe Jesus Christ as our loved savior in the mind, heart and spirit. We, along with the Holy Spirit, are suppose to help them discover their own paths, not to force our way through. Even if so much statistics are shown, they will not believe unless they enter a metacognitive moment of their own. Guide them certainly, but there is a limit where other human beings cannot do much more to help out sometimes. We don't need the "stuck-up" attitude of "oh my dear lord how can you say that! The BIBLE said that (blah blah blah)." According to testimonies and researches, the first thing a human being expects out of a christian is their "change in behavior and life through christ," especially the kindness and acceptance within a christian...

cool down for both side ok? i don't want to see the last religion related topic closed down the first day the general rules are made.

Chaskis Sato
October 23rd, 2003, 01:29 PM
1rst Amendment..anyway sorry, I'll cool down.

John Denver
October 23rd, 2003, 01:33 PM
I haven't seen any flaming as of yet here...I think this is turning into a fine debate/thingy....though.....we could try to refrain from trying to convert people...

I don't want to see you speaking in tongues Chaskis :D :D :D

BOO ya!

DragonTrainer
October 23rd, 2003, 01:34 PM
Let's cool down a bit guys, this is a really good thread, let's not ruin it by flaming other's beliefs