Un-Noticed Hacks!

[shinygoldash]

I've been comparing Hack Showcase to Scrapbox and no one cares about hacks there.
Only the BIG hacks get noticed and shows that no-one cares about small hacks.

Everyone works hard on hacks, like I, and some have un-believable things already made and everyone brushes them away like dirt.

Take my hack for example, it has a really good plot and D/P pokes being inserted but everyone thinks that is someone else's rom or something!

Here are the hacks that get noticed:

Hacks with suspense and reputation.
Hacks that get made by someone who made a good hack.
GSC Re-Makes.*Yawn* (There's a DS one coming soon)
And many more...

[Time]

hm... well, I do check the scrapbox myself to look at some hacks which are very catchable to the eye, for instance, your hack, and Clear Diamond, which was in the scrapbox at first.

there are many interesting hacks in the scrapbox, however, I'm a bit annoyed with the 'help wanted' or 'in need of scripters' and such...

also, the hack's showcase is where the hacks which are showing great skill of work are shown, and those hacks in the scrapbox are transfered to the hack's showcase.

simply put that the scrapbox is where you can show your hack under process, simply like, you are still in school, and when it graduate in the requirements of the hack's showcase, it's transfered there...

that's my side, for now, at least... and also, the GSC remake for DS is 'still' in rumors, with no official statements that it will be coming unlike Platinum.

it takes time to make someone likes your work, though...
this is competition, as it may seem, though I hate competing, but that's life of a hacker.

and from your statement in your first post, it seems that as if you are really competing, unlike me, who is just hacking for fun and to give everyone a nice hack to play.

I care less about who will be popular, who's hack will be popular, competition.
Just enjoy hacking is my way of doing things.

[yunghove]

Well, a lot of people look at the Scrap box. From time to time I see the Big people like DJG, Zel, Thethethethe, and others. I think the Scrap Box, gets as many views as the Hack Showcase. Also, If you want your Hack noticed, Then put it in The Hack Showcase. It's called Hack showcase for a reason.

[shinygoldash]

Yeah, I think you guys have changed my mind and cleared my anger.

I want people to show their opinions on this.

Thanks DJG & YG.

[BigSteve]

not all hacks in the scrapbox are unnoticed
my hack gets an alright bit of attention tbh
making a support banner helps :)
people will see it that way and be like 'oo wonder what thats like?' and look
but yeah, some just sink down into the back pages :(

[Synyster_Zeikku]

Ok you guys may know this, but my hack Pokemon Clear Diamond got more views and comments in the scrapbox then it did in showcase, maybe because I had more than just Idea's. People like seeing some form of progress, Having a story is good, But 8/10 of the hacks in The Scrapbox only have a Story/ Plot and features planned out. No offense to you Shinygoldash, But half the people seem to be a little...whats the word.. Unsure about pointless things like tiles etc.

The reason hacks in showcase are more popular is because it's where the best hacks are showcased, they all started from very small idea's which obviously grew into something great.

Zel's shiny gold for example was a very simple hack back when I joined this community, it didn't have any tiles inserted. yet it made a name for itself.
Rijon adventures is similar, it focuses on gameplay and not tiles.
Then recently we've had destinedjagold, with his rein of legends and his symbolic mystery dungeon themed hack.
We have coolboyman's prism, which one HoTY, for being a GSC hack. Very simple yet very entertaining


The fact is, hacks in the Scrapbox need something which separates them from being standard.
As I recall, Barkers pikachu's tale is getting a lot of publicity. Due to him actually making progress.

[Nalesnik]

I kinda like it that way, then ppl know which hacks are are worthy to recieve recognition. A lot of hacks in the scrapbox are just those started by ppl on a whim figuring it would be easy and short. But then they realize that it takes a lot of time and dedication to actaully finish a hack, and they simply abandon it after only a couple days (if not hours) of work.

Those ppl willing to put the time and quality into thier hack deserve to proudly present thier hacks in a seperate forum, to distinguish them from the ones that couldn't cut it. Also if ur hack is good enough (and has the necessary requirments) then it will be eventually be bumped up to the showcase.

[makunouchi]

What if hacks are un-noticed in here?
Its the human nature to be lazy and not check other stuff out.
Some hacks get more attention because they have screenshots, a more appealing title, because the story is better, or just because of the author.
Its not anyone's fault that they don't check other threads, its that they are too lazy or hate something about it.
The people who are actually willing to try to complete the hack knowing how tedious and difficult it will be will get recognized more. Thus forth, some games don't get as much attention as the more famous games. Make a banner to interest people and attract attention.Some games have 20 banners while others have not even 1.
I'm sure everyone is sick of G/S/C remakes when there is shinygold.

The conclusion is:
Just because your thread doesn't get much posts, it doesn't mean that its worse than another thread with more posts. And you have to work hard for your hack to get more noticed.Advertising is the key here.

As for me, i usually don't check out the other threads because i just have the thought that it is cancelled or on a hiatus.Banners and links catch my eye, and then I usually check the threads for more good hacks.

[Quilava's Master]

WHen we (scyther X and I ) were in the scrapbox we had zero buzz...it was pretty sad then we met the requirements and got moved to the showcase, but its not like we have megap poularity there even though we have won HToW and a fairly decent amout of supporters. I say its you who has to want to be noticed. We legit bup ourselves whenever we have something new to offer. Screenshots are key. Many people in the scrapbox get a few dinky views because they think its the scrapbox so y post screenshots. Thats a one way ticket to failing. Banners help too (if anyone could tell em how to make em I would have more) if you put the link to your thread in th the picture then people will be more attarcted. But i do say that some threads dont get a lot of buzz becasue fo the hack juggernauts (Shiny Gold, Ruby Destiny, etc) I love those hacks but a lot of people after playing them try to outshine them (hence the billions of g/s/c remakes) and end up failing miserably.

[zel]

I check the Scrapbox sometimes, but since most of the projects there are still on their first steps, I dont get too excited about them yet, mainly because a big % of them are mainly pages about ideas, which is good, but still not enough for my taste. However, I'm sure most of them, if the hacker's serious about the project (regardeless of if the hack's getting attention), will one of this days make it into the Hacks Showcase and then they'll start becoming noticed.

So, it's just a matter of time, but mainly of determination by the rom hacker.

[ZodiacDaGreat]

Well, It's not anyone's problem that the hack's unnoticed - remember it was put there in the scrapbox the first place. Like you've said yourself, people work hard on their hacks, so to get more attention you have to work harder, people who've got well known hacks worked really hard. It's unfair if a non-quality hack gets attention.

GSC remake what's wrong with this? This depends on the author alone you can't force someone not to do something, I agree its too much, but if the hacks brilliant then its brilliant no question about that.

[Teh Baro]

Your post looks more like it's protesting for your hack being unnoticed than small hacks being unnoticed in general.

[Visual]

The thing that ticks me off about scrapbox hacks, is the user making ten different hacks and ditching others. Plus, everyones using a rom base ;s.

They want tilers, scripters, storyline writers, its not even their hack at all, they just have the thread.

[Shadow Magikarp]

yeah i know....
my frend made a hack
and only like 12people visited tje thread

[shinygoldash]

I know someone who had 1 reply which was closing it after he worked so hard to get a good thread up in the scrapbox and people didn't care at all.

I'm just thinking that some hacks are treated unfair.

DJG: I do hack for fun but it's not really fun unless you are playing a hack which you don't know what's going to happen. Or high quality hacks which I respect.

[Corrosion]

Well I've been working on mine, and I am constantly bumping and refreshing it. This is for several reasons:
1. There are quite a few hacks in the Scrapbox. This area has opened the opportunity for people present their current work without screenshots, and thus better it before it gets shown in the Showcase. Those already in there get constantly pushed onto the next page and thus unnoticed.

2. The majority are below the par of the Hacks Showcase hacks. This is not true of all hacks, but there are a lot that are "Here today, Gone tomorrow."

3. Personally, I find that my personal life is more important than my life. Although I dedicate time to it in bursts, I do not consistently update the topic. With this, there is less incentive to return to the Scrapbox with viewers.

4. People naturally want to play a hack- if there isn't an Alpha/Beta the majority lose interest.

5. There are a good number of hacks that are just lines such as "I want to make a hack with d/p pokes plz", so finding the decent hacks is quite hard.

If you want to get recognized, move to the Hacks Showcase. I wouldn't mind more replies, but I guess that that is my own fault and choice. So I am not complaining. Another thing- If you want more replies, give the average viewer something to reply about.

[shinygoldash]

Thanks, that's some of the good things. A few of the bad ones too.

Still, thanks for your opinion.

[Dark Lakitu]

Mmmm...
Points, points points...
It's like that in the fanfic industry too...
You move onto the 2nd page, you gotta bump your own thread or it'll never be noticed...
But... that's life...
You get bumped back, you just move on...
But...You have a point there...

[yunghove]

Also, I don't care to look into the scrapbox, because theres alot of people who obviously don't know
how to read tutorials, Make a thread just to say that they can't script or something.
They also right , heres an idea of my Hack...

I need Advanced Scripters, the best mappers, ect.

[MudMast]

I agree with the people here.

like, my one for example, had NO OTHER people view it for almost 2 weeks!
as not many people know me.

But, popular people/ assorted attention seekers/ those who use another account to get attention/ etc.
get noticed near instantly.

And, if you check how many people look at the Emulation section, now: 79 (32 members & 47 guests)

Scrapbox: 11 (6 members & 5 guests)

Hacks Showcase: 43 (18 members & 25 guests)

Thats the difference.

[~link smash~]

Also, I don't care to look into the scrapbox, because theres alot of people who obviously don't know
how to read tutorials, Make a thread just to say that they can't script or something.
They also right , heres an idea of my Hack...

I need Advanced Scripters, the best mappers, ect.
Thnx. Thats being happening a lot lately. I counted 5 since monday with something like that. I say though if a filter for thread approvals did appear and certain requirments were present then I say yes threads in the scrapbox would go up in views just because plainly quality would shoot up.

[Antwhan]

tht's why the scrapbox exists though... the hack showcase was overcrowded with all these requests for threads i bet and the mods and admins decided on making this box for scrap hacks so to speak....

[Kunoichi.King.]

I've been comparing Hack Showcase to Scrapbox and no one cares about hacks there.
Only the BIG hacks get noticed and shows that no-one cares about small hacks.

Everyone works hard on hacks, like I, and some have un-believable things already made and everyone brushes them away like dirt.

Take my hack for example, it has a really good plot and D/P pokes being inserted but everyone thinks that is someone else's rom or something!

Here are the hacks that get noticed:

Hacks with suspense and reputation.
Hacks that get made by someone who made a good hack.
GSC Re-Makes.*Yawn* (There's a DS one coming soon)
And many more...
yeh, i agree, although i haven't actually posted a hack myself, i agree. what you'll find is that people find something they really like, and unless it's something like that they will just brush it away.

take shiny gold for example, everyone loves it. but what about all the other GSC remakes? no-one pays attention to those, because they're too busy with shiny gold.

You'll also find that people actually like release dates, it gives the users a self-certainty that what they're looking forward to will definately happen.

I never knew GSDS was official? Duskgold and Dawnsilver always sounded a bit weird to me.

[~link smash~]

Yeah but a scrap hack would have some screens and at lea people knowing how to hack not oh gee um I ares not hacker so i needs teh scripter an super cool mappa e.t.c. Thats all we have been seeing lately. Except for the decent threads.

[Meowth]

I don't know what you mean by this, because I started off in the Scrapbox, and I was there for quite a while with growing support until I asked Christos to move me into the Showcase...

I believe that once you're confident enough with your hack that you should ask to have it moved, and you wont have to worry about it anymore.

[yunghove]

Me and Darkcookie think that there should be a Scrapbox filter. Everyone else who agrees should post here.

[shinygoldash]

Wat's a scrapbox filter?...

[yunghove]

It so that people can't have pointless threads, like," In Need of SCRIPTERS" you know how Mods have to accept threads in Hack showcase? A filter would be so Mods would have to accept the Scrap box thread before its allowed to be posted.

[MudMast]

It so that people can't have pointless threads, like," In Need of SCRIPTERS" you know how Mods have to accept threads in Hack showcase? A filter would be so Mods would have to accept the Scrap box thread before its allowed to be posted.

hmm, because they just get locked and the forum has all them waste threads messing the site up with all the space it uses.

[yunghove]

Yea, maybe then there'll be less "Data base error" and "page cannot load"

[BigSteve]

Yea, maybe then there'll be less "Data base error" and "page cannot load"

With less junk data to handle, the server would run much more efficently so yeah you'd be right there

i support that :)
maybe then more people will choose to look through the scrap box :D

[Y?551NE]

Why are hacks sent to the scrapbox in the first place=Your awnser
Soy tan real como la vida misma

[yunghove]

I think that more people will look in the Scrap box if there was less ,"I NEED HELP" or stuff like that.
I'm not saying that alot of people don't look in the Scrapbox, but I think that alot more people will pay
attention to it.

[shinygoldash]

I agree. It's really annoying with people taking threads for fun. If they do that, a thread could be pushed back a page and not noticed.

I think mods should check threads for these and lock them/move them to the back of the scrapbox.

[Visual]

It sounds like you guys just want some more attention :/.
Take my advice on this, the scrapbox is used to post scraps, it doesnt mean you plan your hack there, these are the first starting points, basically a developement thread. But I still reckon people should only post in the scrapbox when they've already finished a quater of their hack. Same as in the showcase, people would pay much more attention if you've finished alot of it. Because if you've only done one town, theres not much to see :/. Plus, the less attention you get in your thread the better, take a look at ShinyGolds thread, its filled with all these questions and stupid comments. But it only keeps the hacker busy looking through the thread. If you dont start a thread until your through alot of your hack, it will run much smoothly. Rather than people asking when a betas going to be out.

The scrapbox is made for SCRAP.
If you want more attention, finish your hack, or most of it. Then post it.

[Chosen_of_Manaphy]

My thread for Pokemon Malachite should be approved by mods soon. Anyway I hope to make it big. The popular hacks do get alot of the attention...

[現実として巨大なもの]

Hmm.. A filter? Well the good side would be the accuracy and space but even so, this would mean yet another level to pass. I mean,"hey I'm a procrastinator!" I can do great work although it'll take me time. The Hacks' showcase is like the master success level for hacks. Scrapbox is where your moved to because its for beginners. That time of mistake happens and you can't always expect no0bs to understand everything that goes on so a filler would not only burn a mod's time but can lead to us missing out on a lot of work just because a noob couldn't work fast or determined enough to put his work up right. Not everone can get work done alone (Not counting Baro though I do believe C_O_M's fakemon will soon be competition). Someone should sticky a mesg to noob looking for recruits to go to team recruits or the team discussion area and stress the point. Don't make a filter because I don't know a fortune teller yet!

[Wind~]

I used to look in the Hacks Showcase a lot and didn't care about the scrapbox when I was a noob here.
Now, when I made my hack in the scrapbox, I always used to check there more than the hacks showcase.
Now that my hack was moved to the hacks showcase, I look at both.
What I don't like about the scrapbox(as what everyone else said :P) there have been too many useless threads that say they r looking for help because they r too lazy. Me, I asked for help on scripting, because Pokescript wouldn't work on my computer. I wanted to learn badly. Of course, it was different when XSE came out.
It works on my computer and I can script very little now(still learning). But I would like to see some new people actually learn how to do stuff on their own. If they don't, then they can't really call it their hack just because they made a thread. They have to actually DO something.

[f0r3v3r-70x1c]

a agree there are a lot of good hacks in the scrapbook that dont get noticed all that much

[G.K.S.]

I look in the scrapbox a lot, and anyone could make a hack good or bad, and the good ones deserves to be noticed more. If the people in the scrapbox does more work and fix up there thread, they could ask a mod to move the thread to the hack showcase (like I did with my hack). If they are too un-noticed it could be a sign that it may remain that way unless major changes are made.

[shinygoldash]

Everyone loves hacks by peopl who made good ones before and say they're good and be a bit of a wierdo. :badsmile:

The only way to survive is the hack showcase. ;)

[Dark Lakitu]

You know, the Scrapbox should have a thread character limit of about 200-250 so that someone actually has to post something HACK-LIKE.

But...yeah...xD

[0m3GA AR$3NAL]

This thread is getting off topic ppl...


I agree with the topic though, too many hacks are being brushed off because they are in the scrapbox and not in the showcase... Alot of the time,none of them make it to the showcase, because the dont get the motivation they need to keep up the work. Like a person I know here, Yunghove, his hack, started in the scrapbox, but he got noticed, because his had results, as it was said earlier... not to mention alot of motivation, I dont remember ever seeing any insults in his thread, and now he has won a hack award, and is moving towards a the beta stages! I too am starting a new hack. (since my last one was killed by a computer virus) but I dont plan on releasing it until I can get an alpha released...

Anyways, the scrapbox is a great place to find and support hacks, make someone feel good, support there hack, and help it move onto greatness! Make them a banner, that will make them work on it for sure! (worked for me before my compy died, yunghove made me a banner, and I exploded with joy, and worked relentlessly on it for hours on end!)

~0m3GA :t157:

[Quilava's Master]

Tbh I think that hacking is based on 2 things..1 is obviously quality..but 2 is more on popularity. Think of it this way, Zel did SG. If he were to drop even the most mediocre hack in the scrapbox it would always remain on the first page just becuz he is expected for greatness. Others like new hackers have A LOT more wrk to do just to stay on the second page. Other hackers who aren't the best still collect popularity after a while. In short I think it would be easier for hackers to build a presence before actually starting a hack. Like posting in the simple question threads like I did answering questions and all that or asking questions so that you can learn some things for your own and your hack can be respected. And if you can tough out a month with continuous updates people will see you mean business. Unlike most hackers who quit just becuz their thread isn't pushin 300+ views

[Coolboyman]

This thread's a really good idea, and I fullt support helping getting good un noticed hacks well... noticed! The hacks I really pay attention to aren't the generic types "You're a Pokemon trainer so go and get badges and beat the elite four" thing. I like hacks that have an overall unique theme, ideas, and features driving the hack away from a typical Pokemon game.

Although, some of these hacks with brilliant areas are ignored in favor for a generic one. This brings trouble too, since anyone can promise anything, but that doesn't mean they can actually put it in the game. When people make hacks, before posting a feature or a new direction for a hack, actually put it in, and show off screenshots to help demonstrate what you're talking about. Don't say "I'll do it later", post the information when you've actually done some work on it.

I agree with the top post too, you shouldn't stop working on a hack just because it's not popular. The more your work on your hack, the more it will get noticed, and the more popular you will get. The authors who have made completed hacks, and hacks with a very large chunk of the game done, are the most popular hackers on this site. If you give up because your first hacks weren't popular, you wont have gained the popularity. Even if you don't get as popular by doing your best and pushing the boundaries of what a hack can offer, you should make the hack for those who enjoy it, not beg for other people to like it.

[Dark Lakitu]

Wow...
Whenever Coolboyman posts in a thread like this, he always gives a really pro speech... *claps
I think there's a case of not caring either way. If they do read it, they may not really care and just...
Proof? 1777 views, 26 posts. Half of them mine.
Sad much?

Well, the scrapbox should have some sort of character limit for a thread just to stop those without a story and without some very important and necessary things...Maybe 200?

Just, if you find a hack with some potential, don't just look at it and go. Offer suggestions, tips and bits of constructive criticism.

[Quilava's Master]

This thread's a really good idea, and I fullt support helping getting good un noticed hacks well... noticed! The hacks I really pay attention to aren't the generic types "You're a Pokemon trainer so go and get badges and beat the elite four" thing. I like hacks that have an overall unique theme, ideas, and features driving the hack away from a typical Pokemon game.

Although, some of these hacks with brilliant areas are ignored in favor for a generic one. This brings trouble too, since anyone can promise anything, but that doesn't mean they can actually put it in the game. When people make hacks, before posting a feature or a new direction for a hack, actually put it in, and show off screenshots to help demonstrate what you're talking about. Don't say "I'll do it later", post the information when you've actually done some work on it.
I agree with the top post too, you shouldn't stop working on a hack just because it's not popular. The more your work on your hack, the more it will get noticed, and the more popular you will get. The authors who have made completed hacks, and hacks with a very large chunk of the game done, are the most popular hackers on this site. If you give up because your first hacks weren't popular, you wont have gained the popularity. Even if you don't get as popular by doing your best and pushing the boundaries of what a hack can offer, you should make the hack for those who enjoy it, not beg for other people to like it.
Way to hit the hammer on the nail! Coolboyman you think a lot like me.. A lot of people when you look at their threads promise a billion and two impossible features (493 pkmn + 158 new pokemon all 4 regions + 3 new ones and 100,000 new moves + all the old ones ect.) Then you read on and instead of accepting the fact that they can't do any of what they promised they claim "feature not available til final beta.".when most know that its impossible.. But just so nobody calls me out it is possible for me to add three regions in shattered dreams. Because each region is fairly small like 5 towns.. But hacks claiming 4 full blown regions are nuts. Some hacks get unoticed for the fact that the creator is here to get major popularity and doesn't realy try.
Anyone boy (or girl) can edit text and maps.. It takes a man (or woman) to make a hack.

[Dark Lakitu]

Way to hit the hammer on the nail! Coolboyman you think a lot like me.. A lot of people when you look at their threads promise a billion and two impossible features (493 pkmn + 158 new pokemon all 4 regions + 3 new ones and 100,000 new moves + all the old ones ect.) Then you read on and instead of accepting the fact that they can't do any of what they promised they claim "feature not available til final beta.".when most know that its impossible.. But just so nobody calls me out it is possible for me to add three regions in shattered dreams. Because each region is fairly small like 5 towns.. But hacks claiming 4 full blown regions are nuts. Some hacks get unoticed for the fact that the creator is here to get major popularity and doesn't realy try.
Anyone boy (or girl) can edit text and maps.. It takes a man (or woman) to make a hack.

Hey!
The way you say it sounds as if young hackers suck!
:/

True, though. Most hackers don't even know what they CAN and CAN'T do...

[lukeh]

Why not trying to submit your hack to WAH? Im sure it would pick it up if its as good as you say it is.

[Kawaii, Inc.]

Even though nobody's posted in this thread since last month, I really wanna have my say in this:

First off, I know that when I look in the scrapbox, I see a bunch of threads that are unappealing with no hacking done whatsoever, but have two or three pages of ideas. I get tired of it and quit looking, so if I miss a good hack, well that kinda stinks and it's not that person's fault their hack isn't getting a good fan-base. I submitted my hack straight to the Hacks Showcase and it got accepted, but things aren't that much better there either. By the time you finish the first page, you have to make that extra stride to add some measly tidbit of information to bump your hack. Although, I came at a bad time seeing as four or five other hacks were submitted at the same time (but that's my fault for bad timing =P).
I actually have no idea if I made a point there, but it felt good to rant... Haha.

On another note, I actually prefer my Pokemon hacks to be Pokemon hacks instead of some elaborate story about a war-torn world or people dying. Pokemon games are supposed to be light-hearted and I like to base my work off of the Nintendo formula. I say, let games like Final Fantasy be Final Fantasy and Pokemon be Pokemon. Wild and crazy ideas don't hold my attention. [I guess I got a little off-topic there...my bad!]

[shinygoldash]

Well, I guess I've nearly fallen to the Un-Noticed and quited even though it's in the hack showcase. But I just decided to lock it till I get back on the road of hacking.

It's all about making steady progress and if you make a second hack after the first being really good, you'll have people looking straight away.