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Allstories
May 28th, 2008, 06:37 PM
Logically, Metapod should have evolved into Venomoth. Caterpillars turn into moths, and Venonat has all the same features as Butterfree.

http://dylanimages2.googlepages.com/holygodjesus.PNG


How did I go a decade without noticing this.

YuuNoKami Saka
May 28th, 2008, 07:03 PM
That's a good question. I never noticed that either. :(

airconditioning
May 28th, 2008, 07:29 PM
... Don't caterpillars evolve into butterflies? Either that, or all of kindergarten was a lie.

EDIT: God damn, there is a thread on /v/ right now about this.

YuuNoKami Saka
May 28th, 2008, 07:36 PM
Catepillars can become either a cocoon or pupal. Cocoon will bring out a moth and a pupal will bring out a Butterfly.

Gunn
May 28th, 2008, 07:46 PM
Catepillars can become either a cocoon or pupal. Cocoon will bring out a moth and a pupal will bring out a Butterfly.

Ho ho! So you DO learn something new everyday.

This is peculiar. I mean, I would never have noticed myself.

ErickaVolt
May 28th, 2008, 07:47 PM
I noticed this since I finished Pokemon Red, Yellow and Blue. And yes, this is very mysterious. You should ask the Nintendo.

Crimson Arcanine
May 28th, 2008, 07:57 PM
An old mistake my guess since they brought out Wurmple, Silcoon ,Cascoon, Beautifly and Dustox in the 3rd generation and that fits that fact almost exactly.

Acrutheo
May 28th, 2008, 11:55 PM
I'm not sure how I went so long without noticing the immense similarities in design between Venonat and Butterfree. Possibly this was their original intention and they made a change to it later on?

SherlockHolmeboy
May 29th, 2008, 01:30 AM
That's a very good point! I never noticed that until now. :P

Mitchman
May 29th, 2008, 02:18 AM
Holy crud that is the biggest mistake nintendo ever made. Im going to the pokemon mailbox on the official site to tell them

Zet
May 29th, 2008, 03:43 AM
your theory is wrong, caterpillars turn into cocoons ¬_¬

Idiot!
May 29th, 2008, 06:50 AM
Caterpillars can either be chrysalis or cocoon. Or dead.

Chrysalis become butterflies, cocoons become moths. Dead caterpillars are food.

What makes me wonder is why Venonat has no pupa form.

Avey
May 29th, 2008, 07:01 AM
... Don't caterpillars evolve into butterflies? Either that, or all of kindergarten was a lie.

EDIT: God damn, there is a thread on /v/ right now about this.

I know this might not be the right time, airconditioning, but you're my favourite posted on this forum.

Oh, and Allstories, aren't we talking about a world of magical monsters where ten year olds are allowed to run around the regions on their own with no supervision? I'm sure Nintendo would be happy to make all logic in Pokemon flawed purposely in order to make a good game, but this evolution line must have been an error on their parts!

Mitchman
May 29th, 2008, 07:08 AM
Ιt was an error. I mean its ridicoulus enough that those are first gen pokemon but to be revealed after ten years is what bugs me. Imagine nintendo lookin at this and saying um all dear pokemon fans were sorry to say that after 10 years it seems 2 different pokemon were mixed up. Sorry for the inconvenience and we hope that in the 5th gen it clears up! Id be laughng in nintendos face if tat happens.

Alli
May 29th, 2008, 07:14 AM
Ummm...catepillars turn into cocoons and then butterflies.

Gnats and moths are just annoying.

If you think this is crazy...

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii209/Michelle_Kayla/Pokemon/Remoraid.jpg ->http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o303/NekoDevil_666/octillery.jpg

You tell me-- is this line weirder than catepillar->cocoon->butterfly?

See, it's normal compared to other things. Like Magikarp->Gyarados, Feebas->Milotic, etc.

Amp
May 29th, 2008, 07:23 AM
I noticed that Venonat looked WAY too much like Buterfree, but I never thought to cross Venomoth into the Metapod line... good thinking, there.

Allstories
May 29th, 2008, 07:32 AM
I'm pretty sure this is an error on Nintendo's part, similar to the way you get the MARSH badge from the psychic gym leader, and the SOUL badge from the poison gym leader.

airconditioning
May 29th, 2008, 11:47 AM
Magikarp->Gyarados

I believe that's based off an old Japanese/ Chinese legend. From Bulbapedia:

Magikarp is based on a legend about how carp that leapt over the Dragon Gate would become dragons. Several waterfalls and cataracts in China are believed to be the location of the Dragon Gate. This legend is an allegory of the drive and efforts needed to overcome obstacles.

It appears to be based on a sea dragon or sea serpent. Gyarados is partially based on a legend about how carp that leapt over the Dragon Gate would become dragons. Several waterfalls and cataracts in China are believed to be the location of the Dragon Gate. This legend is an allegory of the drive and efforts needed to overcome obstacles.

Feebas->Milotic

While not based on any sort of legend, this evolution is pretty similar to Gyarados. Gyarados can be seen as extreme weakness turning into extreme strength, while Milotic can be seen as extreme ugliness turning into extreme beauty.

I know this might not be the right time, airconditioning, but you're my favourite posted on this forum.

It's always the right time to point that out. ;)

Motsuko Live
May 29th, 2008, 12:15 PM
While we're on this topic, what exactly is Venonat supposed to be?

Anyway, good point. I doubt it's an error that nintendo made, but maybe they just didn't see the relation between Venonat and Butterfree.

Mitchman
May 29th, 2008, 12:17 PM
If my 5 year old cousin can see it how the bloody hell nintndo cant?

Motsuko Live
May 29th, 2008, 12:34 PM
If my 5 year old cousin can see it how the bloody hell nintndo cant?

I know, eh! Like, wtf man. What a touchy subject. I think I'm going to go freak out over how nintendo couldn't see this, but my 5 year old cousin could. >.>

Dr.Ray Quaza
May 29th, 2008, 12:38 PM
omg caterpillars turn into moths!

kindergarden lied i am sad now :(

Azonic
May 29th, 2008, 12:47 PM
Very good observation there, Allstories. Venonat shares little relation to Venomoth regardless of the evolution chain. If Venonat evolves into Venomoth, it would lose its feet, unique red eyes, simplistic hands, and antennae. But if Venonat had evolved into Butterfree, it would keep its eyes, feet, simplistic hands, mouth, and antennae. However Venonat and Venomoth both share the same fangs, but not the same mouth. Besides the purple color, the fangs are the only similarity I can spot whereas Butterfree has many.

Terri
May 29th, 2008, 02:19 PM
thiis a very interesting point, good for noticing

AJ™
May 29th, 2008, 02:30 PM
I love how half the people on this thread are like "WTF, CATERPILARZ CANT TURN IN 2 BUTTERFLIZE."

But i agree,
Venonant would've been a better choice for Butterpre-volution.

The Graceful Assassin
May 29th, 2008, 02:42 PM
its funny how ive been with pokemon my entire life and realize it decades later. so now what exactly is venonat? im guessing a mutated grasshopper? anyway good observation.

The Bringer!
May 29th, 2008, 06:16 PM
About the remoraid-octillery thing, I think it's because remoraid is based off of a fish called a remora that has some sort of suction pad on its head, which would be similar to an octopus' suction cups on its tentacles. Just an idea. And venonat is a gnat, I believe, which is a flying bug like a minature moth, kinda.

Motsuko Live
May 30th, 2008, 02:13 AM
About the remoraid-octillery thing, I think it's because remoraid is based off of a fish called a remora that has some sort of suction pad on its head, which would be similar to an octopus' suction cups on its tentacles. Just an idea. And venonat is a gnat, I believe, which is a flying bug like a minature moth, kinda.

Ohhh... so that's what it is. The first time I witnessed it scroll across the top of my screen, I thought it was suppose to be a dust-bunny or something. No joke!
When I was a little older, I figured "Ah, what the hell, eh?" and just kept on thinking it was a giant dust bunny xD.

But that is pretty stupid with Remoraid and Octillery. COuldn't they have at least had a squid like pre-evolution?

Cassino
May 30th, 2008, 08:12 AM
Oh, and Allstories, aren't we talking about a world of magical monsters where ten year olds are allowed to run around the regions on their own with no supervision? I'm sure Nintendo would be happy to make all logic in Pokemon flawed purposely in order to make a good game, but this evolution line must have been an error on their parts!
Agreed.
Makes me wonder why Rocket isn't just an organised group of paedophiles instead.

so now what exactly is venonat? im guessing a mutated grasshopper?
Pokedexes call it a "Poison Moth Pokemon".

AJ™
May 30th, 2008, 08:15 AM
Pokedexes call it a "Poison Moth Pokemon".

Where's its wings then? o_O;

Glaceon_
June 3rd, 2008, 11:15 AM
I'll agree that the looks of Venonat and Butterfree are VERY very similar, but there's one other thing that struck me as odd; do Bees start off as caterpillars, too? (butterflies do start as caterpillars though, just to cover bases *winkwink* )

Answer to the question, which I slapped myself with, while I was typing up a reply to another thread, (go figure XD ) would be that you can't really go, based on the real world, because if we look at Girafarig; real Giraffes don't have Psychic powers, and Penguins aren't made of Steel.


But really, maybe Venomoth would have been better as the counter-bug for Butterfree, instead of Beedrill. Very likely either having Venonat completely redesigned, or switched to Butterfree's line, but in the end, we really can't do anything about it. Generally, "Where's the "Poison Moth's wings?" can't really be answered, because its a fictional world, that really only has clarification over the Pokemon species, rather than their looks and capabilities.

But who would have thought.. an oddity of the Pokemon world, in the first Generation. I'm surprised people didn't pick up on it sooner. XD It really is an interesting, and scary (in a fascinating sense) thing to come across. The Venomoth/Butterfree thing, that is.

YellowPen
June 4th, 2008, 02:55 AM
Although it is a great observation, I believe that it is only a coincidence that Venonat looks like it could slot into Butterfree evo line

Simply because of Butterfree’s counter Pokémon, Beedrill. Both of these Pokémon have the same evo line, which consists of a weak worm-like creature --> cocoon type --> Bee/Butterfly type.

If Venonat was supposed to be in Butterfrees evo line, it would have an extremely unfair advantage over Breedrill.

E-mail Nintendo if you want, but I doubt they would tell you it is a mistake


But even if im wrong, and it is a mistake, there is no way Nintendo would admit it,LOL :P

vano-m
June 5th, 2008, 02:21 AM
Logically, Metapod should have evolved into Venomoth. Caterpillars turn into moths, and Venonat has all the same features as Butterfree.

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between caterpillar & butterfly there one more phase.
something like kokon or metapod.

anд venonат is soметнing veгу sтгаnge anд иnиsиa\ опе

DavyJones4our
June 5th, 2008, 03:14 AM
between caterpillar & butterfly there one more phase.
something like kokon or metapod.

anд venonат is soметнing veгу sтгаnge anд иnиsиa\ опе

I can't tell if your typing is intentional or just a mistake of electro-translation.