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AlexB1001
June 15th, 2008, 08:00 AM
Which uber and non-uber pokemon are the best to form a team around? I think mewtwo is the best uber and tyranitar is the best non-uber.

Also what is the best pokemon to use as a 'finisher' so after a stalemate between my tank (venusaur) and an oppenents tank i can bring in this pokemon to quickly strike and end the battle?

LethalTexture
June 15th, 2008, 08:40 AM
Although there is no "Best" Pokémon from either Uber or OU, statswise the best Uber is Arceus, with base 120s across the board. However one of the best OUs (and it's being debated whether it is too powerful for OU or not) is Garchomp.

AlexB1001
June 15th, 2008, 08:51 AM
what makes a pokemon uber anyway? attack of the n00b i know

Young Stunna'
June 15th, 2008, 08:54 AM
Well an uber is a pokemon with an unfair advantage over other pokemon, like incredible stats.

The best uber is Arceus, of course (why wouldn't the god of Pokemon be the strongest)
The best non uber is, if used correctly, Speed Deoxys @ choice scarf in my opinion. Speed can exceed 500 and sp. atk can exceed 450.

fade101
June 15th, 2008, 09:00 AM
Hmm... i dunno... Stats i guess :P
To me Giratina is the best uber pokemon. I just love it!
The best non uber pokemon would be Charizard... good stats i suppose :laugh:
The best pokemon to use as a finisher? Charizard and its Blast Burn!!

AlexB1001
June 15th, 2008, 09:04 AM
charizard is awesome, i had some massive battle that (because of full restore/revive) kept on going on just between my dialga and my friend's tyranitar.

my venusaur used frenzy plant to finish that up... then all i had to do was wipe out his remaining pokemon, a seaking! wooh!

do you think (if there are more generations of pokemon) that arceus will always be the most powerful pokemon ever

fade101
June 15th, 2008, 09:13 AM
Shweet! You pwned him hard lol!
Uhhh, definitely! I mean, Arceus is the alpha pokemon... There should not be others that can well actually beat him... (you can beat him in the game but if you're talking logically then no)

AlexB1001
June 15th, 2008, 09:16 AM
arceus better get his own spotlight coming up. he is one sick nasty beast of a pokemon.

maybe a animé film... i wish platinum was based around him

or there should be the 4th sequel to diamond/pearl/platinum based around him: Pokemon Alpha... lol

fade101
June 15th, 2008, 09:22 AM
The chances for an anime movie for Arceus are high but im not too sure for another game coz you could actually catch it in every game...
Unless!! Arceus has another form! That would be awesome!!

El Gofre
June 15th, 2008, 09:49 AM
An uber is generally a poke that overcentralises the metagame, hence the mixed inclusion of wobbufet and garchomp. The need to counter a certain poke over all others is a distinct sign they are too strong to adapt to.

As said, there is no best pokemon, since pokes do different jobs. You cannot choose between, for example, harizard and blissey because their roles are so different. All pokes act better in different circumstances than others.

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June 15th, 2008, 12:27 PM
Tyranitar owns all :( CBTar kills Gyarados and Salamence leads.

AlexB1001
June 15th, 2008, 12:47 PM
Tyranitar owns all :( CBTar kills Gyarados and Salamence leads.

tyranitars are good but my venusaur can kill them easy

i think tyranitars are one of the best pokemon though

El Gofre
June 15th, 2008, 01:59 PM
Tyranitar owns all :( CBTar kills Gyarados and Salamence leads.

Yeah then you die to vacuum wave, a base 40 power move, because of your quad weakness ;)

This is a prime example of how all pokes have good and bad points.

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June 15th, 2008, 05:29 PM
tyranitars are good but my venusaur can kill them easy

i think tyranitars are one of the best pokemon though

Venasaur gets a taste of Boah's Ice Beam.

Yeah then you die to vacuum wave, a base 40 power move, because of your quad weakness ;)

This is a prime example of how all pokes have good and bad points.

Lucario can shove his Vacuum Wave up his A- D:

Tyranitar has base 150 SpD in the Sandstorm. And some Tyranitar's can survive an Aura Sphere from Mewtwo...So, yeah.

BeachBoy
June 15th, 2008, 06:50 PM
Tyranitar owns all :( CBTar kills Gyarados and Salamence leads.

Odd, I lead with Mixmence a good amount of the time, which... oh yeah, eats Tyranitar. :D

Best Pokémon uber is something I don't wish to touch. Overused? Garchomp, hands down. The thing is debated for ubers for crying out loud. XD

Magmortified
June 15th, 2008, 07:01 PM
Y'know, usually, when Tar survives a hit by Mewtwo's Aura Sphere, it's with a little bit of EV support, no boosting item on Mewtwo, and a lack of STAB. Most Tyranitars in OU do not do as much in EVs, while STAB (plus Modest on Lucario's side, since most Mewtwo's pack Timid) gives SpecsLuke Aura Sphere a boost.

Just wanted to point that out.

Anyhow, while my knowledge of Ubers is limited, I consistently see variations of Arceus stoppering Uber Pokemon. I'm not entirely certain if there's really a way to entirely counter Arceus (with it's multiple movesets) - at least in a single Pokemon.

The same pretty much applies to Garchomp, which requires multiple Pokemon to counter out.

Aquilae
June 15th, 2008, 08:16 PM
Careful 252 HP/252 SpD/4 Attack @CB is the preferred distribution in Ubers partly because of Tyranitar's monstrous defences in Ubers as well as its excellent Dark STAB which pretty much puts a dent in a lot of Ubers.

CBtar 2HKOs Venusaur easily while not being hindered by ANY of its moves except maybe Specs Leaf Storm or Sleep Powder.

Best Uber? I would ask if you are specifically referring to Ubers or the best performing pokemon in the metagame as a whole, which is largely subjective. For instance I would think Arceus would be the best Uber due to its unpredictability. But largely I would lean towards Dialga for having a great typing and excellent stat distribution allowing it to run Specs, RestTalkBulk Up or the common MixDialga.

Best non-Uber used in Ubers is Garchomp hands down.

Best OU is Garchomp again being hard to counter even when you know your opponent is running the most common sets, YacheSDChomp.
Honestly I don't get why everyone is harping about the CB versions which apparently 2HKO all of its supposed counters. For the record CBGallade and many others do the same thing.

Pookachu
June 15th, 2008, 09:02 PM
There's no absolute best non-uber Pokémon, but the COMMON threats are: Lucario, Tyranitar, Heracross, Garchomp, Salamence and Gyarados. (Forgot some....xd)

Most of them have 4x weaknesses but if you let them set up, and your counter fainted/is weakened, you are pretty much finished.

Anti
June 15th, 2008, 09:13 PM
Garchomp is the best OU, and I think it's overhyped (which shows its power >_<) As far as perfomring a specific task extremely well, Blissey gets some props here, since it is the best special wall in the game and walls a good 95% of special attackers out there, while garchomp has more worries.

In ubers, I really fail at those. Arceus is the easy choice so I'll go with it >_< Attack Deoxys looks really scary too ._.

AlexB1001
June 15th, 2008, 10:34 PM
a good indication of uber pokemon are the ones which are not allowed in the Showdown tournament:

150 - Mewtwo
151 - Mew
249 - Lugia
250 - Ho-Oh
251 - Celebi
382 - Kyogre
383 - Groudon
384 - Rayquaza
385 - Jirachi
386 - Deoxys
483 - Dialga
484 - Palkia
485 - Heatran
486 - Regigigas
487 - Giratina
489 - Phione
490 - Manaphy
491 - Darkrai

and a good indicator of the two best OU are the only legendaries not allowed in the tournament: dragonite and tyranitar.

Aquilae
June 15th, 2008, 10:57 PM
Uh... Nintendo's rules are lacking a lot. No Sleep Clause means random Scarf Smeargles with Dark Void would overcentralise the tournament.

In addition as pointed out by _Prince_ in I don't know where, the two non-ubers that are not allowed, Dragonite and Tyranitar, are only obtainable at level 55 onward and thus making them ineligible for the level 50 tournament.

In addition most of the legends there come at level 50+ so they would be ineligible too.