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Anti Pop Culture Warrior
June 16th, 2008, 01:26 PM
Introduction

This is a battle I had a good month or so ago. It was when my "joke" of an offensive team was made and it started spewing out victories like mad. Before I finalized the team (the final version is 22-0, and many of you have battled it), I went through a lot of testing to make it a serious team due to its initial success. This was one of these experiment battles, using a Metal Sound Lucario to see if it was any good. It is no longer on the team actually (Sub/CM Suicune is the new Jefferson), but it sure served me well in this battle. BeachBoy and I both tested this team BTW.

Anyways, the joke theme it was meant to have was actually a president theme. The first six presidents of the United States of America are the nicknames of my pokemon. Because we all know that 5' 3" John Adams TOTALLY looked like Machamp. George Washongton must have been with me in spirit as I battled with this team, because as SpecsMence, the old general of the Continental Army was leading the other 5 troops to victory. Enough with the historical metaphors, let's move on to the battle!

I wanted to see just how good this team and MS Lucario could be, so I was trying to battle Top 100 Shoddy Battle players. No one would accept my challenges even though they had that horrible Timed Battle Rule (which I like to blame for my mistakes as well :P), but hitmonfan (in the top 100 at the time) finally accepted my challenge. I prepared myself for what would be a hard-fought battle, but nothing could have prepared me for this...

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My Team

Here's my team. It might be a little different than the one you all are used to. In random order it is:

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Rules

- Evasion Clause
- Extended Game
- Freeze Clause
- OHKO Clause
- Sleep Clause
- Species Clause
- Strict Damage Clause
- Timed Battle

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Legend

Black and Bold Text - Anything in the log not a different color
Orange and Bold Text - Anything that has to do with me (War of 1812)
Green and Bold Text - Anything that has to do with hitmonfan
Red and Bold Text - Scores during the battle
Purple Text - Commentary after each turn
Black Text - Everything before and after the battle

NOTE - All recovery/damage from Leftovers, Leech Seed, Sandstorm, etc. will be mentioned only once then they will be omitted.

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Battle [War of 1812 vs. hitmonfan]

hitmonfan sent out Heracles (Heracross).
War of 1812 sent out George Washington (Salamence).
Salamence's intimidate cut Heracross's attack!
hitmonfan switched in Heatran.
War of 1812 switched in Thomas Jefferson (Lucario).

Interesting start here. I wanted to avoid Stone Edge and Lucario is great at that, but Heatran comes in. Oh well, I have an advantage (unless it is scarfed, but that never crossed my mind during the battle as you're about to see).

Heatran used Fire Blast.
Heatran's attack missed!
Lucario used Aura Sphere.
It's super effective!
Heatran lost 100% of its health.
hitmonfan's Heatran fainted.

Scarf Tran! I got quite lucky on this play, but it would have been smarter on hitmonfan's part to use Earth Power so that wouldn't have happened.

6 - 5 [War of 1812]

hitmonfan switched in Heracross.
Lucario used Shadow Ball.
Heracross lost 34% of its health.
Heracross's special defence was lowered.
Heracross used Stone Edge.
It's not very effective...
Lucario lost 21% of its health.

This move might look crazy, as you might ask why in the world I kept Lucario in on Heracross. I did this because I knew hitmonfan had already seen Salamence, and that would be a predictable switch. I decided to keep my 4x rock resist in to easily shrug off the hit.

hitmonfan switched in Gliscor.
Lucario used Shadow Ball.
Gliscor lost 36% of its health.
Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gliscor restored 6% of its health.

Gliscor! In case you haven't noticed, this special Lucario doesn't have Choice Specs. I was actually experimenting with Metal Sound Lucario when I fought in this battle. The experiment really didn't go so well in case you're wondering, but Lucario was certainly helpful. After all, Thomas Jefferson was freaking awesome.

hitmonfan switched in Starmie.
Lucario used Hidden Power.
It's not very effective...
Starmie lost 15% of its health.
Starmie's leftovers restored its health a little!
Starmie restored 6% of its health.

I should have seen that coming. HP Ice was obvious on Gliscor, and I should have used Shadow Ball. Still, I don't like to take ricsks early, and I figured that losing Lucario could prove to hurt a lot later.

Starmie used Surf.
Lucario lost 60% of its health.
Lucario used Shadow Ball.
It's super effective!
Starmie lost 73% of its health.

Ouch. I thought it would have enough power to KO, but it didn't. Now Lucario is at weak health and it won't be able to do much for me, which is a shame.

Starmie used Surf.
Lucario lost 20% of its health.
War of 1812's Lucario fainted.

I figure I could just let it die. I would normally save it to be a death fodder later, but I didn't want to sacrifice what I was switching in if hitmonfan were to outpredit me.

5 - 5

War of 1812 switched in John Quincy Adams (Gyarados).
Gyarados's intimidate cut Starmie's attack!
Starmie used Recover.
Starmie restored 50% of its health.
Gyarados used Dragon Dance.
Gyarados's attack was raised.
Gyarados's speed was raised.

Gyarados has a Wacan Berry, so I get a free DD. I was hoping it would recover.

Gyarados used Dragon Dance.
Gyarados's attack was raised.
Gyarados's speed was raised.
Starmie used Thunderbolt.
It's super effective!
Gyarados lost 49% of its health.
The Wacan Berry weakened Thunderbolt's power!

Gah! I should have used Earthquake. A +2 Earthquake still won't OHKO Starmie, and I just realize this after making this move. Another mistake on my part.

Gyarados used Earthquake.
Starmie lost 91% of its health.
Starmie used Thunderbolt.
It's super effective!
Gyarados lost 51% of its health.
War of 1812's Gyarados fainted.

Yeah. At least it really dented Starmie, who my team always seemed to have trouble with.

4 - 5 [hitmonfan]

War of 1812 switched in James Monroe (Mamoswine).
Mamoswine used Ice Shard.
It's not very effective...
Starmie lost 8% of its health.
hitmonfan's Starmie fainted.
Mamoswine lost 10% of its health.

The Monroe Doctrine clearly states that any European country that wants MY land in America can't have it. Starmie tried to disobey, so I decided to give it a taste of Ice Shard. Gotta love history references. But yeah, I finished it off, lol.

4 - 4

hitmonfan switched in Breloom.
Mamoswine used Ice Fang.
Mamoswine's attack missed!
Breloom used Spore.
Mamoswine fell asleep!
Breloom was badly poisoned!

That hurts a lot. I was hoping to deal it a big blow, but that didn't really work out.

War of 1812 switched in Salamence.
Salamence's intimidate cut Breloom's attack!
Breloom used Substitute.
Breloom lost 25% of its health.
Breloom made a substitute!
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.

Do I really have a choice? Mence is all I've got to beat it.

Salamence used Dragon Pulse.
A critical hit!
The substitute took damage for Breloom!
Breloom's substitute faded!
Breloom used Leech Seed.
Salamence was seeded!
Salamence's health was sapped by leech seed!
Salamence lost 12% of its health.
Breloom regained health!

Haha, I figured with Heatran gone, nothing could really take Dragon Pulse. I thought he'd switch, but I used Pulse >>> Meteor just to be safe, and it paid off.

Salamence used Dragon Pulse.
Breloom lost 100% of its health.
hitmonfan's Breloom fainted.

Finally that thing is dead. I always have trouble with Breloom, even with a team full of Breloom counters. It's so annoying.

4 - 3 [War of 1812]

hitmonfan switched in Mamoswine.
War of 1812 switched in James Madison (lvl 100 Heatran).
Mamoswine used Substitute.
Mamoswine lost 25% of its health.
Mamoswine made a substitute!
Mamoswine's leftovers restored its health a little!
Mamoswine restored 6% of its health.

Substitute? That's not good! I am pretty hopeless here.

Mamoswine used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
Heatran lost 100% of its health.
War of 1812's Heatran fainted.

Mamoswine has 80 base speed and my Heatran is a special tank with no speed EVs. I honestly don't know what I was thinking. Earthquake was so predictable so a Mence switch probably would have been smart. Knowing that predicting a switch like that would kill off Mamo if my Heatran happened to be Scarfed, hitmonfan probably wouldn't have taken that chance anyways.

But really, Madison got us into The War of 1812, so I guess what goes around comes around lol.

3 - 3

War of 1812 switched in John Adams (Machamp).
Mamoswine used Earthquake.
Machamp lost 68% of its health.
Machamp used Ice Punch.
The substitute took damage for Mamoswine!
Mamoswine's substitute faded!

lol, I'm totally desparate now. Like about every other team in existance, this one is Mamoswine weak.

War of 1812: gg
hitmonfan: gg

Yes, we both think the game is over. I have fought okay though, especially against one of the better Shoddy battlers, so I'm pretty proud.

Mamoswine used Substitute.
Mamoswine lost 25% of its health.
Mamoswine made a substitute!
Machamp used Ice Punch.
The substitute took damage for Mamoswine!
Mamoswine's substitute faded!

Yeah, so why doesn't he just kill Machamp? Oh well, that's 25% less health for Mamoswine. If I can kill it, SpecsMence can sweep with Dragon Pulse, but I won't be able to kill it. Nothing I have left can compete. This is where I needed Lucario back from the dead.

War of 1812 switched in Salamence.
Salamence's intimidate cut Mamoswine's attack!
Mamoswine used Earthquake.
It doesn't affect Salamence...

I knew Earthquake was coming, so I made up for some bad predictions earlier. I'm sure he'll switch, as Ice Shard won't be able to KO with Intimidate. Dragon Pulse will do here.

hitmonfan switched in Gliscor.
Salamence used Dragon Pulse.
Gliscor lost 70% of its health.
hitmonfan's Gliscor fainted.

Bam. All of a sudden I have a sliver of hope.

3 - 2 [War of 1812]

hitmonfan switched in Mamoswine.
War of 1812 switched in Machamp.
Mamoswine used Ice Shard.
Machamp lost 25% of its health.

I can't let Salamence die, or the game is over. It's my only hope against Mamoswine (as ironic as that might seem), so it has to keep on fighting.

Mamoswine used Ice Shard.
Machamp lost 8% of its health.
War of 1812's John Adams fainted.

And yeah, my death fodder is gone. No biggy.

I must say that John Adams with the build of Machamp makes me laugh a bit. The guy was pretty chubby and was 5' 3". Machamp has four arms!

2 - 2

War of 1812 switched in Salamence.
Salamence's intimidate cut Mamoswine's attack!
hitmonfan switched in Heracross.
Salamence used Draco Meteor.
Heracross lost 66% of its health.
hitmonfan's Heracross fainted.
Salamence's special attack was harshly lowered.

I knew that Mamoswine would stop any Dragon Pulse sweep I'd try to pull off anyways, so I might as well launch a Draco Meteor. Turns out it paid off, as Heracross has good special defense.

2 - 1 [War of 1812]

hitmonfan switched in Mamoswine.
War of 1812 switched in Mamoswine.
Mamoswine used Ice Shard.
Mamoswine lost 28% of its health.

My sleepy Mamoswine will be my next death fodder.

Mamoswine is fast asleep!
Mamoswine used Earthquake.
A critical hit!
Mamoswine lost 62% of its health.
War of 1812's Mamoswine fainted.

Um, okay lol. Now it's down to Salamence and Mamoswine.

1 - 1

War of 1812 switched in Salamence.
Salamence's intimidate cut Mamoswine's attack!
Mamoswine used Ice Shard.
It's super effective!
Salamence lost 82% of its health.
Salamence used Draco Meteor.
Mamoswine lost 100% of its health.
hitmonfan's Mamoswine fainted.

I survived Ice Shard to win the game! Talk about a miracle.

1 - 0 [War of 1812]

Wait, did I seriously win that game? Intimidate seriously won that for me, that and figuring out I was doomed when I really wasn't?

Either way, it was a fantastic battle I really can't believe I won. Salamence had all but 3% health left after taking that Ice Shard. It remains the closest battle I've ever had DP battling.

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Props and Slops

Props:

- hitmonfan, for an outstanding battle
- Lucario, for putting quite the dent in the opposing team
- Specs Salamence, for being my savior
- Aquilae and BeachBoy, for ideas on the format that helped this log not look like a total disaster (I hope :P)

Slops:

- Me, for making several mistakes (DDing twice with Gyarados especially)
- Heatran, who was totally useless (though obviously it was me misplaying it in the first pklace that killed it lol)

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Final Thoughts

I learned a lot from this battle. I especially wanted to post this one because I played horribly, but I managed to hang in there and win, even when all hope seemed lost. I'm glad I didn't give up, since I learned a lot about playing with these all-out offense teams.

Oh, in case you might want to know my opponent's team in case you forgot or something, here it is in the spoiler (in order of appearance):


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So go ahead and tear this apart. Usually my battles aren't close and I always forget to save the close ones, so this is what I came up with :P Tear it apart *waits for Dark_Azelf and Aquilae to point out my many mistakes*

Dark_Azelf
June 16th, 2008, 04:49 PM
I can has Wycan Berry Gyarados plzz ?? Use Bite, it owns Starmie =p

Epic to say the least. And like some logs this doesnt have Obnoxious text colours =D

Nice comeback, i never expected Mence to survive an Ice Shard, even if it is -1 att, wow......

Also, if you notice, So many teams are Mamo weak, who in itself is a VERY underrated threat.

Good log and good battle !

Syaoran
June 16th, 2008, 05:00 PM
I think it's funny how his entire team loses to Life Orb Starmie if his Starmie gets outsped. Your team is quite Starmie weak too. Not to mention Heracross is quite a bad lead...

He made a lot more mistakes than you did, I honestly can't tell he's a "decent" battler according to this log..

It might've been close, but the battle itself didn't have anything that made me wow, laugh, or even cry. The ending was nice tho, Intimidate proves to be one of the most useful abilities.

Anti Pop Culture Warrior
June 16th, 2008, 09:06 PM
Yeah, this team was still in testing and it was (and still is in my mind) a joke team that happened to do well overall. I do find it funny that my team was weak to half his team and I managed to win. lol, I never use this team, but even though on paper it's really terrible, it seemed to work well when I used it. lol

And I don't really have a sense of humor outside of sarcasm (where I'm REALLY funny, but you can't be sarcastic on the internet). I would add emotion, but you know, I'm just not that kind of guy. I can't really add emotion without it being really stale or robotic.

I can't really tell what mistakes he made because I don't know what his thought process was. Maybe he just overpredicting in parts, which believe me, I do all the time. But hey, I see where you're coming from.

I appreciate the feedback guys ^_^ Honestly, I'm just trying to get better with these battle logs since I've never been especially good at these.

As for the colors, I just chose the darker ones lol.

And Wacan Gyarados is REALLY good. I've recently used it with Bite >>> Earthquake, and it just destroys everything. I get two DDs on Starmie and usually can sweep. IMO Starmie is kind of an outdates Gyarados counter of sorts, since people have gotten smarter and are using sets that beat it. Starmie also has trouble with Pursuit. That's why I don't use Starmie...its Pursuit weakness makes it a little too shaky for my liking. It's not a bad pokemon or anything, I just find it very easy to get by Starmie when using Infernape and Gyarados (especially Gyarados).

But yeah, thankies guys. Once I get a decent team going (which is actually starting to happen lol), I'll probably battle one of you guys, since these logs are probably better if both sides can comment.

I don't mind if you tear this apart either, since I'd like to improve for my next one as much as possible. I just need a good battle to post...lol

EDIT: Mamo IS a beast. I honestly don't know how the most powerful Earthquake in the game (besides Rhyinferior and Groundon but they don't count) sees less usage than fail Electivire.

Aquilae
June 16th, 2008, 11:32 PM
Heh, top 100 usually doesn't mean much. I was 50% noob when I got in it for the first time (Breloom is awesome). I loved the prediction here, the reason why Mamo is not used more than Vire is that Vire is terribly overhyped, while the main reason (at least for me) why the more skilled players don't use it is because it doesn't have ample opportunities to switch in outside of Electric attacks.

Now I know your alt ;D

What was the nature on your Gyara? If I'm not wrong +2 Attack Adamant 252 Gyara should OHKO starmie with Earthquake. MS Lucario... I don't think that is a smart proposition considering that Lucario is fragile enough already.

I still think that -1 Attack Mamo would still be able to OHKO with Ice Shard with LO, Leftovers is a poor choice considering Mamo needs all the power it can muster as it misses KOs on a lot of pokemon if it chooses to go that route. Substitute does not help Mamo much, it would be directly depleting its HP while it is stopped by Bronzong/Skarm/Celebi.

Nice job on the Heraweak team ;D Even with Gyara/Mence to take MH/CC, Luke/Tran/Champ to take Stone Edge, a misprediction could throw the aforementioned two off balance considering that they are Stealth Rock weak.

By the way, Hitmonfan most likely lead with a ScarfHera.

I'll be trying to incorporate MixSwine (LOMamo Blizzard/Ice Shard/EQ/Stone Edge) into my next offensive team =D Just so you know, Mamo's EQ is the same strength as Garchomp's.

EDIT: Actually you have the same six pokemon as BeachBoy's team with Cune > Luke, and different items for a few of them.

Good log, not so good battle, what is seriously lacking is Sya's comments

SYA YOU ARE MY LIFE

BeachBoy
June 17th, 2008, 12:18 AM
EDIT: Actually you have the same six pokemon as BeachBoy's team with Cune > Luke, and different items for a few of them.

BeachBoy and I both tested this team BTW.

The "Generals" or War of 1812, fun team to test around. :D

Well, I enjoyed it, I mean you obviously had fun and the fact you won when gg was in the middle and a great ending made me like it. I thought the battle was fine for my tastes. One tiny little nitpick on the scores, maybe you could colour them the colour of the battler that's ahead, I don't know, could look nice. XD Overall the effort put into the log was great, battle was fine with me, and I'm glad you put a lengthy introduction :F Goes to show why I use Salamence + Gyarados all the time, intimidate is an awesome ability.

Great battle log, Anti. :D

sims796
June 17th, 2008, 01:23 AM
A personall critisism on the log, the ONLY MINOR ONE, I wish that the individual names of the pokes were colored for their corresponding trainers. For instance, Lucario should be orange, Heatran should be Green.

This just makes it slightly easier to read at night.

If someone can post, I'll comment on the actual battle, so I can read & not double post.

Anti Pop Culture Warrior
June 17th, 2008, 01:30 PM
I was going to do that sims, but it took long enough just to do the names. I hate to have that come off as incredibly lazy, but I don't really have the time to do that and I don't think that the result of that time would be worth it.

And yeah, me and Beachy both shared ideas for this team and whatnot after I made it, so we both used it. I too use Cune > Lucario now :P And what a difference it makes BTW.

SYA YOU ARE STILL MY LIFE

And I did learn after about 3 other battles that MS Lucario really wasn't viable, especially lacking Spikes support and all that.

Thanks guys :P

EDIT: Garchomp usually runs Jolly thought so Mamo's Quake is slightly stronger go go go team

That and I just love that thing. So much more than that fail Electivire, which makes Gengar and Scarf Gyarados look like my best friends.

sims796
June 17th, 2008, 04:34 PM
Oh, understood completely. I only do things on impulse.

I'm gonna try LO Dos. Wacan doesn't sound so hot IMO. I mean, is it really worth that quick KO? Blegh, I just don't like one use items.

Lil MuDkiP849
June 18th, 2008, 02:04 PM
i think it's funny how you name your pokes different guys from history, it's pretty funny lol

And from this battle, you got realllly lucky in the beggining and at the end...good read/battle nonetheless =)