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SpeedTrainer47
July 1st, 2008, 09:26 AM
hey people im starting up a new team and i need a good hp PKMN to take in heavy hits as i heal my PKMN so what do u guys suggest as a good PKMN with great DEFENCE and HP

Please leave your suggestions of any PKMN that u think is good for that......

Jake♫
July 1st, 2008, 09:45 AM
Snorlax could do you good

SpeedTrainer47
July 1st, 2008, 10:04 AM
hmm should i use some iron and hp up on em too man?

AdvanceMapper
July 1st, 2008, 02:51 PM
Shuckle is a good pick.

It's great for a decoy.

At least, it has the highest Defense and Sp. Defense stats, but like Snorlax the lowest speed.

If that doesn't fit well, use Chansey or Blisssey.

Both have high HP (like the most) and good Sp.Defense.

(Get Chansey at FR/LG's Safari Zone)

(Find him in the Johto part in the Safari Zone in R/S/E.)

Shuckle is a good pick.

It's great for a decoy because it can take millions of hits.

At least, it has the highest Defense and Sp. Defense stats, but like Snorlax the lowest speed.

He's in the Emerald Safari Expansion Part.

If that doesn't fit well, use Chansey or Blisssey.

Both have high HP (like the most) and good Sp.Defense.

(Get Chansey at FR/LG's Safari Zone)



And use Hp and Iron is good because you raise the potenial stats of the Pokemon (things called EVs).

Valarauca
July 1st, 2008, 07:04 PM
hmm should i use some iron and hp up on em too man?

EV train, more effect if you don't know how use this link

http://www.serebii.net/games/evs.shtml

there you go

JollyRoger25
July 1st, 2008, 07:29 PM
Hey, I have emerald, and the best place to EV speed train is the Cave of Origin, but theres this old guy blocking the way, oh and I beat the E4 already so its not a storyline thing?? Where should I go??

SpeedTrainer47
July 1st, 2008, 08:00 PM
kk thx guys ill give them all a try and that link helped too :P

.emerald
July 1st, 2008, 08:34 PM
ill give you a few....
snolax & blissey-high hp & sp. def
shuckle, aggron, regirock, registeel-high defensive stats
wailord-high hp

hope these helps^_^"!

Archer
July 1st, 2008, 10:53 PM
Defence & HP: Skarmory, Gliscor, Weezing, Forretress, Tangrowth.
These are better than some of the others. Also, Blissey won't be taking too many physical hits...

Joey the Cockroach
July 2nd, 2008, 03:38 AM
i was thinking of using Aggron, because it has high HP.

also, high HP is good because if you get poisoned, HP drops by 1 every 4-5 steps. so high HP is very useful.

Ninja Caterpie
July 2nd, 2008, 04:14 AM
Blissey, Snorlax, Aggron, Shuckle (pitiful HP, though), TTar (good for more than JUST that...) and a just about every Rock type in the game...xD (cept Nosepass)

.emerald
July 2nd, 2008, 04:22 AM
tyranitar has pure atk & its hard too!!!!

SpeedTrainer47
July 2nd, 2008, 08:42 PM
wow guys all great suggestions ill try some of em out


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jcs575
July 3rd, 2008, 07:17 PM
if your still looking for a good pokemon with a lot of hp, a Wobbuffet has alot of hp :D

AdvanceMapper
July 3rd, 2008, 10:01 PM
Also, if you take my Shuckle suggestion, it should have these moves at Lv.100

Gyro Ball
Power Swap
Withdraw
Amensia

1. Gyro Ball works better if your Pokemon is very slow and becuase Shuckle has very, very low speed, this is good.

2. Power Swap switches your Attack with your Defense, so you could use a super charged Gyro Ball and be able to defend itself from Special attack (not Physical, so wary if the opponets Pokemon know mainly Physicial moves).

3.Withdraw and Amensia are just for boosting your chances of surviving.

Also, you could also use this:

A Ludicolo (good luck finding one) with Rain Dish and Leftovers
Rain Dance
Leech Seed
Giga Drain
(any other move)

First, use Rain Dance, which will heal your Ludicolo's health with the addition of Leftovers.
Next, use Leech Seed, which gives a boosted health gain.
Then, use Giga Drain, which will give Ludicolo a even more boosted health gain.

Ludicolo also has good Sp.Defense.

Cactus Twist
July 3rd, 2008, 10:19 PM
if ludicolo can learn ingrain, or dive either of those would fit in well at that last spot

Azonic
July 3rd, 2008, 10:33 PM
'kay... the majority of the posters here have given advice without proper knowledge.

Shuckle is a good pick.

It's great for a decoy.

At least, it has the highest Defense and Sp. Defense stats, but like Snorlax the lowest speed.

If that doesn't fit well, use Chansey or Blisssey.

Both have high HP (like the most) and good Sp.Defense.

(Get Chansey at FR/LG's Safari Zone)

(Find him in the Johto part in the Safari Zone in R/S/E.)

Shuckle is a good pick.

It's great for a decoy because it can take millions of hits.

At least, it has the highest Defense and Sp. Defense stats, but like Snorlax the lowest speed.

He's in the Emerald Safari Expansion Part.

If that doesn't fit well, use Chansey or Blisssey.

Both have high HP (like the most) and good Sp.Defense.

(Get Chansey at FR/LG's Safari Zone)



And use Hp and Iron is good because you raise the potenial stats of the Pokemon (things called EVs).Shuckle epically fails. What harm is it actually going to do with Toxic and Earthquake? Shuckle is just set-up bait for the opponent. What harm is it going to do, really? Forretress comes in and you try to do something about it, but what's the most you can do? If you leave Shuckle in, Forretress simply lays down its field traps and simply Spikes your team to death. The next thing Shuckle knows, Garchomp switches in and can get three Swords Dances in and Dragon Claw the crap out of your team, and it simply switches out when Toxic gets too intense. Not to mention Blissey just pulverizes Shuckle.

ill give you a few....
snolax & blissey-high hp & sp. def
shuckle, aggron, regirock, registeel-high defensive stats
wailord-high hp

hope these helps^_^"!
Snorlax and Blissey have a huge amount of Defense, just like the thread creator asked. Shuckle explanations can be seen from my reply to the above post. Aggron is crap. x4 weaknesses to two of the most common physical attack types isn't going to be walling much. Regirock and Registeel can't do much. It stops opposing physical attacks but eventually will get worn down (I actually was a frequent user of Regirock before, but now I only use it in the Sandstorm teams). Wailord? lol. I'd love a physical wall with base 45 defense.
Defence & HP: Skarmory, Gliscor, Weezing, Forretress, Tangrowth.
These are better than some of the others. Also, Blissey won't be taking too many physical hits...Most of these don't have a good HP stat. Skarmory, for example, has a base 60 HP stat. o________o
i was thinking of using Aggron, because it has high HP.

also, high HP is good because if you get poisoned, HP drops by 1 every 4-5 steps. so high HP is very useful.Base 70 HP stat is not high! >.< The only good trait Aggron has is it's tanking abilities, which are greatly weakened by its x4 weakness to the most common of the physical offense. And the poison thing, does it really matter in competetive? One more thing... Aggron is barely ever poisoned due to it's Steel typing.
Blissey, Snorlax, Aggron, Shuckle (pitiful HP, though), TTar (good for more than JUST that...) and a just about every Rock type in the game...xD (cept Nosepass)Blissey and Snorlax aren't physical walls. Aggron and Shuckle both fail at walling. I've explained in some of my previous responses. Tyranitar is used to deal damage as a tank.

tyranitar has pure atk & its hard too!!!!
'kay. o______________o;

if your still looking for a good pokemon with a lot of hp, a Wobbuffet has alot of hp :DNo, just no. Wobbuffet is just... TYRANITAR USED DARKPULSE!!! >:< Wobb as a physical wall. xD;

What I would suggest is Hippowdon. It does have a 10% overall better defense than Skarmory. Relicanth is also a beauty when it uses a CB'd Head Smash while still taking numerous physical hits, though brought down because of its x4 Grass Weakness. Tangrowth is also a wonderful candidate to induce status, absorb HP, and neutralize some Pokemon threats that rely on items to work. Slowbro is decent, but not a favorite of mine.

El Gofre
July 4th, 2008, 08:21 AM
99% of what Raikazu said was correct, most of these people have given bad advice but with the following exceptions to what he said:
Most of these don't have a good HP stat. Skarmory, for example, has a base 60 HP stat
Since the OP asked for a combination of Def and HP, the pokes he listed are best at the job at hand. To use skarmory as example again, base 60 HP and base 140 Def balance each other out.
TYRANITAR USED DARKPULSE
Standard Wobby eats dark pulse like candy and spits back mirror coats for a KO. But you're right that it isnt a generic wall, and is possibly the cheapest poke going after FEAR.
I must also join Raikazu in the crusade against shuckle. It sucks in all ways. It tries to be a wall, it really does. But any poke that is defensively weak to S-Toss (Seismic toss=3HKO) is not deservant of the title "wall". It is also set up fodder, opponents will laugh as they spike while you flail in front of them. Finally, any poke relying on status moves fordamage has serious problems.

.emerald
July 4th, 2008, 07:27 PM
'kay... the majority of the posters here have given advice without proper knowledge.

Shuckle epically fails. What harm is it actually going to do with Toxic and Earthquake? Shuckle is just set-up bait for the opponent. What harm is it going to do, really? Forretress comes in and you try to do something about it, but what's the most you can do? If you leave Shuckle in, Forretress simply lays down its field traps and simply Spikes your team to death. The next thing Shuckle knows, Garchomp switches in and can get three Swords Dances in and Dragon Claw the crap out of your team, and it simply switches out when Toxic gets too intense. Not to mention Blissey just pulverizes Shuckle.


Snorlax and Blissey have a huge amount of Defense, just like the thread creator asked. Shuckle explanations can be seen from my reply to the above post. Aggron is crap. x4 weaknesses to two of the most common physical attack types isn't going to be walling much. Regirock and Registeel can't do much. It stops opposing physical attacks but eventually will get worn down (I actually was a frequent user of Regirock before, but now I only use it in the Sandstorm teams). Wailord? lol. I'd love a physical wall with base 45 defense.
Most of these don't have a good HP stat. Skarmory, for example, has a base 60 HP stat. o________o
Base 70 HP stat is not high! >.< The only good trait Aggron has is it's tanking abilities, which are greatly weakened by its x4 weakness to the most common of the physical offense. And the poison thing, does it really matter in competetive? One more thing... Aggron is barely ever poisoned due to it's Steel typing.
Blissey and Snorlax aren't physical walls. Aggron and Shuckle both fail at walling. I've explained in some of my previous responses. Tyranitar is used to deal damage as a tank.


'kay. o______________o;

No, just no. Wobbuffet is just... TYRANITAR USED DARKPULSE!!! >:< Wobb as a physical wall. xD;

What I would suggest is Hippowdon. It does have a 10% overall better defense than Skarmory. Relicanth is also a beauty when it uses a CB'd Head Smash while still taking numerous physical hits, though brought down because of its x4 Grass Weakness. Tangrowth is also a wonderful candidate to induce status, absorb HP, and neutralize some Pokemon threats that rely on items to work. Slowbro is decent, but not a favorite of mine.


TSSK......if you look closely blissey is PURE HP HIGH SP. DEF & VERY SOFT TO PHYSICAL ATTACKS!!!! that goes the same to snorlax-high hp(400+ maximum),high atk,low speed & also a bit weak against physical atks.

aggron is NOT CRAP. it has a higher base defense than registeel, although slow, if used with the right moves may be a killer......

wobbuffet has high hp & not good with dark pokemon like tyranitar, if dark pulsed, no effect to the opponent.....

tyranitar has a vareity of excellent moves, if sp. atk raised the best nature is quiet.
if atk. stat raised, the best nature for it is naughty.

regirock is basically a wall.(better used with explosion...)
some people these days.....

Douger
July 4th, 2008, 10:28 PM
I would use Regirock, Blissey, Chansey, or Snorlax.

Probably mainly Blissey because it can learn a vareity of moves.
Teach it Substitute and you've technically won the match.
At level 100, it has up to about 650 HP, problly the highest in the game!
Its defense isn't half bad and its attack is pretty great.
I would know, I have one on my team. They are pretty darn fast too.

Hope this helps! :D

.emerald
July 4th, 2008, 11:02 PM
I would use Regirock, Blissey, Chansey, or Snorlax.

Probably mainly Blissey because it can learn a vareity of moves.
Teach it Substitute and you've technically won the match.
At level 100, it has up to about 650 HP, problly the highest in the game!
Its defense isn't half bad and its attack is pretty great.
I would know, I have one on my team. They are pretty darn fast too.

Hope this helps! :D

did you mean blissey with a good defense & attack!?!?!?!

blissey sucks at attack stat!! lvl. 100 blissey equals 25 max attack!!!!

if you meant snorlax, the defense is pretty breakable, but the attack of snorlax is a killer stat!!!

& all of the pokemon you mentioned are slow....(especially snorlax....)

El Gofre
July 5th, 2008, 04:34 AM
& all of the pokemon you mentioned are slow....(especially snorlax....)

Since when have walls been fast?
But yeah, douger gave some strange advice. Blissey has a pathetic Att and Def, but luckily it's immense HP (Reaching 714) balances the two out. Also, blissey never runs substitute.

.
July 5th, 2008, 10:53 AM
People, this is Generation lll! Stop with the Gliscor, Tangrowth, Gyro Ball.


Don't use Shuckle. Ever. Seismic Toss destroys it.

As for a wall, there are two options: Physical or Special

Some good picks for a physical wall include Forry, Skarm, etc...Basically a high defense steel type. But some special walls like Snorlax or Blissey can function as a physical and special wall, since they both have immense HP and although they don't have high enough Defense, their HP makes up for it.

AceTrainerNicole
July 8th, 2008, 07:59 AM
Blisseys HP can get as high as about 800. So I use it.

Azonic
July 8th, 2008, 06:20 PM
hey people im starting up a new team and i need a good hp PKMN to take in heavy hits as i heal my PKMN so what do u guys suggest as a good PKMN with great DEFENCE and HP

Please leave your suggestions of any PKMN that u think is good for that......

TSSK......if you look closely blissey isPURE HP HIGH SP. DEF & VERY SOFT TO PHYSICAL ATTACKS!!!! that goes the same to snorlax-high hp(400+ maximum),high atk,low speed & also a bit weak against physical atks.So yeah. :/

aggron is NOT CRAP. it has a higher base defense than registeel, although slow, if used with the right moves may be a killer......Yes, Aggron is crap. That's why it got placed in the UU environment. 180 Defense is good, but its typing sucks like hell. And with all the Close Combats/Earthquake running around, Aggron can't physically wall for its life.

wobbuffet has high hp & not good with dark pokemon like tyranitar, if dark pulsed, no effect to the opponent..........what?

tyranitar has a vareity of excellent moves, if sp. atk raised the best nature is quiet.
if atk. stat raised, the best nature for it is naughty.No, it isn't.

some people these days.....
Yes, some people these days. <<;

Really, get some decent knowledge of the metagame beforehand rather than just throwing out faulty logic. 'kay?

Yes, King Tyranitar, I know this is Generation III. I just wanted to see how many "Y3AH!!! H1PP0WD0N R0X!!!1!!" I would get. xD; -bows down to KT- He is the king. >>;

.
July 8th, 2008, 07:14 PM
Blisseys HP can get as high as about 800. So I use it.

Ha, no. 714 is the highest, but no one does that anymore.

So yeah. :/

Yes, Aggron is crap. That's why it got placed in the UU environment. 180 Defense is good, but its typing sucks like hell. And with all the Close Combats/Earthquake running around, Aggron can't physically wall for its life.

.....what?

No, it isn't.

Yes, some people these days. <<;

Really, get some decent knowledge of the metagame beforehand rather than just throwing out faulty logic. 'kay?

Yes, King Tyranitar, I know this is Generation III. I just wanted to see how many "Y3AH!!! H1PP0WD0N R0X!!!1!!" I would get. xD; -bows down to KT- He is the king. >>;

LOL HIPPOWDON. He can't wall, obviously Harden Kakuna. =]

Raikazu rofl.

.emerald
July 8th, 2008, 07:59 PM
Yes, Aggron is crap. That's why it got placed in the UU environment. 180 Defense is good, but its typing sucks like hell. And with all the Close Combats/Earthquake running around, Aggron can't physically wall for its life.

i do agree aggron has 2 ultra eff., weak sp. def but definitely NOT CRAP.
(use it in the right way..., you will see what i mean.)

.....what?
duh... wobbuffet uses mirror coat on a dark pokemon that used a dark attack on him, no damage....

No, it isn't.

yes it is,check Psypoke.com
Other Optional Sets
Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 68 Spd / 188 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Focus Punch
- Crunch
- Thunderbolt
- Substitute
Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
naughty Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Focus Punch
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Hidden Power [Bug]

Yes, some people these days. <<;
really, "some" people these days.

Really, get some decent knowledge of the metagame beforehand rather than just throwing out faulty logic. 'kay?
"faulty knowledge"?????
i don't think you know how to uses that term...:\

.
July 8th, 2008, 10:47 PM
Listen dude. Just because something has high Defense doesn't mean it's a good Pokemon. If that was the case, Shuckle would be uber. Aggron has horrible typing for a wall and with it's low speed and tremendous amount of glaring weakneses, it can't even be used as a sweeper. Crap.

Tyranitar cannot be a wall in Gen 3. No SpD boost from the Sandstorm means it's a mediocre tank.

Azonic
July 8th, 2008, 10:51 PM
Ahem. (http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/tyranitar) No one uses Psypokes for competetive advice anymore. <_<

And I do hope you realize that Adamant is (+Attack, -Sp.Atk), not Naughty. Naughty is (+Attack, -Sp.Def), which is something you wouldn't want to do. So, yeah. Psypokes isn't always right, you know, not even Serebii is. They're just some people behind a computer, except they have a website. >>;

With that said, I hardly doubt you even know how to use Aggron in the right way if you go to Psypokes for competetive advice. Its typing is terrible. So many other Pokemon have great defenses but the same typing. Because of their typing, they got bumped down to UU, like Probopass and Bastiodon. Close Combat and Earthquake are the most common physical moves, and you can't possibly wall physically if you have a denting x4 weakness to the most common types. 180 Defense is high, but it can only take so much. 70 HP isn't doing it any good either.

And yes, you're throwing out false logic and advice. Learn the metagame first, please. ;D

Edit: o daer i wuz beatin bye mai kingggg i iz so sowwy

.emerald
July 9th, 2008, 04:00 AM
i know serebii or psypoke isn't that all right, it depends on your desision....
plus EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN OPINION.

ive seen & personally tried to raise a t-tar with these natures & ive seen it work pretty well....

maybe you just don't have the same choice or decision about these things.BUT HEY WERE ALL DIFFERENT AIN'T WE??

and i know more than you think....;)

El Gofre
July 9th, 2008, 08:51 AM
plus EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN OPINION.


I agree with you there, but not in the context. A pokemon that has tried and failed in competetive enviroments is crap, that isnt open to opinion. Hardly any of your input has been relevant, and if psypokes is your source of information i can't say I'm suprised.

.emerald
July 9th, 2008, 07:56 PM
I agree with you there, but not in the context. A pokemon that has tried and failed in competetive enviroments is crap, that isnt open to opinion. Hardly any of your input has been relevant, and if psypokes is your source of information i can't say I'm suprised.

we all have our differences, i can understand that i can make mistakes,nobody is perfect.
im not saying psypoke is my source,i just wanted to clarify that all of those aGRRON INFO I READ CAME FROM PSYPOKE.

ive seen & personally raised an aggron with those natures, as for me,well, its ok.
i know aggron isn't perfect with 2 ultra eff., weak sp. def & speed
but, ive battled with aggron & it hasn't failed me once, to me aggron IS DEFINITELY NOT CRAP. its a pretty decent pokemon.(MY OPINION, NO ONE CAN CONTRADICT IT.)

.
July 9th, 2008, 08:30 PM
Everyone has their own opinions? Yes, but some of those opinions may be crap. In this case; yours.

Aggron is a horrible wall in OU. Sure, in UU it's decent, but it's typing is horrible. 4x weak to fighting is a very unpreferable trait to have for a wall. 4x to Ground attacks is also a very bad thing for a wall to posses.

In conclusion?


http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff38/aggron7/aggron.gif = http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e378/DogaDewd/POOP.gif

Azonic
July 9th, 2008, 08:31 PM
Stop with this "opinion stuff", sheesh. ._.
I mean, if someone said Caterpie rocks in competetive in their own opinion, I'm pretty sure we'd have a reason to contradict it. Aggron gets outclassed by a lot of other walls. Rock and/or Steel types can't wall well, which is why Rhyperior and Regirock got bumped down to BL.

'kay, so with my Third Generation suggestions... I present...

Claydol - Pretty decent wall before the Fourth Generation(where it got bumped down two tiers). It can wall both physically and specially. It may not have the right HP stat, but it did have Cosmic Power.

Donphan - Fantastic Offense and Defense in the physicals. It's HP stat is pretty decent too. It also has Rapid Spin, which is a definite plus.

Metagross - Fantastic Offense and Defense again. Also with only two weaknesses, but unfortunately weak to Ground.

Skarmory - Lacks HP, but has wonderful Defense with access to Spikeshuffling and such.

Suicune - So much to say about this Pokemon, but lets just leave it at great defenses and so-so offensives, but has access to Calm Mind to deal damage.

Edit: King Tyranitar... That post was a bit... disturbing... but accurate nonetheless. :D

El Gofre
July 9th, 2008, 11:22 PM
we all have our differences, i can understand that i can make mistakes,nobody is perfect.
im not saying psypoke is my source,i just wanted to clarify that all of those aGRRON INFO I READ CAME FROM PSYPOKE.

ive seen & personally raised an aggron with those natures, as for me,well, its ok.
i know aggron isn't perfect with 2 ultra eff., weak sp. def & speed
but, ive battled with aggron & it hasn't failed me once, to me aggron IS DEFINITELY NOT CRAP. its a pretty decent pokemon.(MY OPINION, NO ONE CAN CONTRADICT IT.)

Aggron may not have failed you but again, look at it in context. Who do you play? Friends who don't EV train? Gym leaders? As already said, aggron cannot survive in a competant competetive enviroment, not open to opinion.

Marshmallow
July 11th, 2008, 09:19 AM
Try a Snorlax. They have very high HP and are pretty good in battle if you know how to use them

.emerald
July 11th, 2008, 11:08 PM
sure,sure say aggron is crap(like the picture...)im done with this conv. i don't like to flame people.nor to let them get booted just for flaming...
i agree aggron isn't that good a wall, but i trust it.

sure its your opinion that http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfb/dpmfb306.png is CRAP. but it isn't mine..... no sir....

.
July 17th, 2008, 05:49 AM
sure,sure say aggron is crap(like the picture...)im done with this conv. i don't like to flame people.nor to let them get booted just for flaming...
i agree aggron isn't that good a wall, but i trust it.

sure its your opinion that http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfb/dpmfb306.png is CRAP. but it isn't mine..... no sir....

So you trust a wall that is not good? You'll be losing a lot of competative Pokemon matches then.

ladylivereth
July 17th, 2008, 09:21 AM
slaking is a good choice too

.
July 17th, 2008, 09:56 AM
slaking is a good choice too

Slaking cannot wall to save it's life. It has no resistances, one immunity, and a weakness that nearly every (good) team posseses. He also can only attack once every other turn.