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Lokhlan
August 9th, 2004, 11:04 PM
It's been a few weeks & I'm not sure about everyone else, but I'd really like to know about the T-Domes status. I don't appreciate being left in the dark especially when it's about something I'm really looking forward to. I've heard that the T-Dome section has been trashed & I'm kind of depressed about it - of course, if PC had kept everyone up to date on the issue, there would have been no need for me to make this silly thread.

In case anyone hadn't noticed yet, I'm big on suggestions & I've only recently started voicing them. That being said, here are a few topic/suggestions I'd like to either be updated on or bring into circulation:

T-Dome
TCard Section
Fake Card Section
PC Arcade

Kairi
August 9th, 2004, 11:07 PM
These others things have kind of been put on hold with the recent attack and severe server glitches. =\

The T-dome is still in considerationno admin has officially stated their opinion on it however, so there is nothing to update.
The other suggestions, if they were approved, would be posted about. If not, theyd simply not be replied to. =\

Lokhlan
August 9th, 2004, 11:37 PM
Yes, I'm aware of PC's multiple issues.

no admin has officially stated their opinion on it however
So I'm guessing that you guys have to wait on an Admins opinions before you can make new sections? Pfft, & you mean to tell me that Steve hasn't talked with anyone about the T-Dome yet!? Seriously, how concerned is everyone about PC's growth!? Maybe I'm being a little too dramatic. *cough*

the other suggestions, if they were approved, would be posted about. If not, theyd simply not be replied to. =\
Since the old topics (from before PC was cracked) aren't here anymore (the TCard, Fake Card & T-Dome suggestion threads) you can't reply to them, which is one reason I brought them up. Basically I was just making sure these suggestions weren't forgotten until they had been given an official "yes" or "no" answer.

I've noticed PC tends to drag things out until they are forgotten. I don't like that one bit.

Hiroshi Sotomura
August 10th, 2004, 12:06 AM
Kwesi doesn't like the idea last time I heard from him. He says that THIS is a Pokmon forum, not suited towards having a T-Dome. I'll post a log:

AIM IM with Kwesi Nkromah <Call me Kwesi>
31/7/04, 16:04
Anthony Jake La: Aye Kwesi, did you allow that little T-Dome?
16:05
Kwesi Nkromah: no... it doesn't seem quite right. I haven't gone over the whole argument yett
Kwesi Nkromah: homosexuality on a pokeboard seems kinda wrong
Anthony Jake La: Somebody already did it.
Kwesi Nkromah: somewhere else?
16:10
Anthony Jake La: PC.
Kwesi Nkromah: u mean other than the one created by dakota
Anthony Jake La: I mean Dakota.
Anthony Jake La: Unless you know already.
16:30
Anthony Jake La: Andy: "There D, T-Dome set up. Draw up your rules and stuff before I let the members see it."
Anthony Jake La: Andy set it up.
Anthony Jake La: But no members can see it.
Kwesi Nkromah: i dunno

Lokhlan
August 10th, 2004, 12:11 AM
Wonderful, just wonderful... This is very discouraging. I just don't understand why PC has such a hard time moving forward.

Hiroshi Sotomura
August 10th, 2004, 12:14 AM
O_o;; Too much problems and issues we need to deal with result in dire consequences from anything.

Kairi
August 10th, 2004, 09:20 AM
Yes, I dont feel comfortable adding such a controversial section without their approval. I may have the power to do so, but its still their forums, so it should be their decision. Steve has made a few comments, but neither Kwesi nor Steve has given a yes or no.

And you are being a bit dramatic. Suggestions arent always decided on because, as I said, some are too big for anyone but the admins to make.

aRedMoon
August 10th, 2004, 10:30 AM
I know that the PC admins have seen the topic, so are they just pushing off replying until everyone has forgotten?

And the mod lounge wasn't whiped, so I know there is still a topic there with the other forum suggestions. Discussion between the higher authorities shouldn't have been stopped. [/mod-louge-leekish-bit]

I'm sorry, but it seems that nothing ever happens on here because the people that can make a change don't bother to. Kinda annoying when members are really looking forward to something, especially when we know it's there, and that we can't see it.

Lokhlan
August 10th, 2004, 11:06 AM
For me the issue isn't about you making the "controversial section", it's about how long it's taking for Steve & Kwesi to give the issue their answer. I'm obviously not the only one who feels this way - Andy went ahead & made the T-Dome without asking.

Ya know, maybe I am being a little dramatic, but why shouldn't I be. I've spent nearly a year here at PC. I feel like I'm a little peice of PC, a small peice, but a peice none-the-less. If something feels important to me & it's not getting enough attention, you can be darn sure I'm going to address it. Even if it's about nothing more than a simple new section. I love PC & I want to see it grow.

Suggestions arent always decided on because, as I said, some are too big for anyone but the admins to make.
No, ALL suggestions should be given an answer. If a member takes enough time to make one, it diserves an answer. If the answer can't be a "yes" or "no" answer, then simply tell them that.

Look, I'm quite aware of all the crap you guys deal with & I respect that, but at the same time I'm also very aware of the lack of attention certain issues get at PC. (& no I'm not talking about the T-Dome section when I say that) For one, if the current admins aren't dedicated enough to keep up with current issues at PC then ask them to allow someone to make decisions for them. It may seem like a silly idea, but if it helps...

Cassie-chan
August 10th, 2004, 04:40 PM
I'm sorry, but my parents would forse me to leave if this was made...even if I never went into it, just seeing the opstion(sp) would make them overworry...I think that other over-protective parents may do the same thing...

aRedMoon
August 10th, 2004, 05:14 PM
It's not a real "Teenage" place, all it is is a place for mature discussion, such as debates. It isn't like a porn hole or something.

Cassie-chan
August 10th, 2004, 05:17 PM
It's not a real "Teenage" place, all it is is a place for mature discussion, such as debates. It isn't like a porn hole or something.
Still, knowing my parents, they would look at the title and kill me anyway...but I guess it's ture, what you're saying...

Ice demon
August 10th, 2004, 06:12 PM
Well i understand the problem but what can i say it needs to be addressed

girlgenius tell ur parents that the T-Dome deals with issues affecting the lives of all and by them not allowing u to participate in discussions or even view others opinions will work against u in the long run.

aRedMoon
August 10th, 2004, 07:29 PM
And the T stands for Thunder, not Teenage. ^^;

Timbjerr
August 10th, 2004, 07:49 PM
I'm sorry, but my parents would forse me to leave if this was made...even if I never went into it, just seeing the opstion(sp) would make them overworry...I think that other over-protective parents may do the same thing...
O.o

I don't think many parents out there even moniter what their kids are looking at online. If so, I'd think any parent out there would encourage their kids to participate in serious debates..at least my parents would. They've encouraged my genius every oppurtunity they could thus far in my life...

Kairi
August 10th, 2004, 07:55 PM
I know that the PC admins have seen the topic, so are they just pushing off replying until everyone has forgotten?

And the mod lounge wasn't whiped, so I know there is still a topic there with the other forum suggestions. Discussion between the higher authorities shouldn't have been stopped. [/mod-louge-leekish-bit]

I'm sorry, but it seems that nothing ever happens on here because the people that can make a change don't bother to. Kinda annoying when members are really looking forward to something, especially when we know it's there, and that we can't see it.

It’s especially annoying when people know the scenario that the admins are the only ones to do major changes, yet whine to other people.

I don’t think you quite understand. It is NOT our place to do so, this is their forum. Could we open it? Heck freaking yes. Could it backfire, get closed, and be a bad decision? Would it be disrespectful of the admins? You bet.
And here lies the real difference between us and the admins. We may have the power, but they have the authority. Do you want to take initiative and get something done? Go download AIM and bug the crap out of the admins. You, nor I have the right to tell them they aren’t around enough and should make us decide on things like that.

And yes, you’re being far too dramatic. Do you think we’re not trying? Do you have so little faith is us you have to do this? =\ If so, I guess Arcanine and I are pretty big failures. I’m sorry.
I think it's very sad people have to choose sides like this instead of posting and having fun. If you spent more time focusing on the ladder instead of branding everything with justice, things *might* just work better.

Dark Gogeta
August 10th, 2004, 08:10 PM
Well, I think that some one should make a sister forum to PC that could be for teens. Even if it was just a InvisionFree board, it wouldn't matter.

Brittany
August 10th, 2004, 08:26 PM
Still, knowing my parents, they would look at the title and kill me anyway...but I guess it's ture, what you're saying...
Do your parents let you watch the news? News is not always 'for children' but that doesent mean that children can't be informed also...

Umm is there some way to make it open to people that have a certain age(or people that just say they are a certain age)

aRedMoon
August 10th, 2004, 08:27 PM
Its especially annoying when people know the scenario that the admins are the only ones to do major changes, yet whine to other people.
We whine because the admins don't do the major changes. We ask for something, and it's quite unlikely that a full admin will respond. It gets annoying.

I dont think you quite understand. It is NOT our place to do so, this is their forum. Could we open it? Heck freaking yes. Could it backfire, get closed, and be a bad decision? Would it be disrespectful of the admins? You bet.
If it's their forum, why can't they voice their opinions? IMO, if they can't bother to voice their opinions, why should you wait for them? They gave you the power to do good for the community, and if opening a somewhat controversial (sp?) forum is good for the community, then I see no problem nor disrespect in opening it.

And here lies the real difference between us and the admins. We may have the power, but they have the authority. Do you want to take initiative and get something done? Go download AIM and bug the crap out of the admins. You, nor I have the right to tell them they arent around enough and should make us decide on things like that.
And if they wanted to stop it, then they can. But they haven't, so why stop and wait for them? It gets frusturating.

And yes, youre being far too dramatic. Do you think were not trying? Do you have so little faith is us you have to do this? =\ If so, I guess Arcanine and I are pretty big failures. Im sorry
Don't put words in my mouth, please.

think it's very sad people have to choose sides like this instead of posting and having fun. If you spent more time focusing on the ladder instead of branding everything with justice, things *might* just work better.
*sighs*

Kairi
August 10th, 2004, 08:34 PM
I told you about AIM. Tell the admins directly. www.aim.com
And I have done those kinds of changes before and they _were_stopped. Look I know it’s upsetting and it would be a huge help to get them to okay these things. But it’s not the end of the forum. Would the T-dome be nice? Certainly! Maybe it would encourage people to think a little more. But it’s not a make or break kind of thing.
And really, I don’t know what I’m supposed to do. If I knew they were willing to trust me to try something like this, I’d do it. But I was an admin, and I was clearly taken down from it, and I don’t even have a name for this position. I don’t know anything about what I’m supposed to do.

Dark Gogeta
August 10th, 2004, 08:47 PM
What kinda Sub-Forums would be in the T-Dome?

aRedMoon
August 10th, 2004, 08:49 PM
I can talk to Steve through IRC, and do so rather often. And I don't care to talk to the others, as I have no personal business with them.

And I have done those kinds of changes before and they _were_stopped. Look I know its upsetting and it would be a huge help to get them to okay these things. But its not the end of the forum. Would the T-dome be nice? Certainly! Maybe it would encourage people to think a little more. But its not a make or break kind of thing.
Okay then. I'll PM each of the admins and ask them to voice their opinion on it in the lounge.

Kairi
August 10th, 2004, 08:50 PM
Thank you very much then. That would be clearly the best way to keep the peace, and the fastest way to get an answer on the T-dome.

aRedMoon
August 10th, 2004, 08:55 PM
What kinda Sub-Forums would be in the T-Dome?
It would be a normal forum, located towards the bottom of the index, where mature discussion could be.


And I've sent the PM to Steve, Zapchu, VRoad, and Kwesi.

Timbjerr
August 10th, 2004, 08:57 PM
What kinda Sub-Forums would be in the T-Dome?
The T-Dome is a forum by itself in which PC's mature people can stop by and have healthy debates. It is already created, but only the staff can see it at the moment. The admins are afraid to open it cuz they are worried of immature members dropping in and flaming everyone that opposes them, thus defeateing the purpose of the T-Dome in general.

It kinda is a big risk to take...

aRedMoon
August 10th, 2004, 09:02 PM
The T-Dome is a forum by itself in which PC's mature people can stop by and have healthy debates. It is already created, but only the staff can see it at the moment. The admins are afraid to open it cuz they are worried of immature members dropping in and flaming everyone that opposes them, thus defeateing the purpose of the T-Dome in general.

It kinda is a big risk to take...
Since when did the admins voice any opinion? >_>

Lokhlan
August 10th, 2004, 09:06 PM
Wait, let me get this straight. We have to PM & AIM the admins now!? I thought thats what this section of PC was for. - "Community Questions & Feedback". Emphasis on the word "Feedback". Need I say more? *rolls eyes*

Timbjerr
August 10th, 2004, 09:11 PM
Since when did the admins voice any opinion? >_>
hmm...last summer was the last time I really saw them do so...

aRedMoon
August 10th, 2004, 09:14 PM
hmm...last summer was the last time I really saw them do so...
I was referring to the T-Dome... but meh.

Lokhlan
August 10th, 2004, 09:35 PM
Frankly I'm surprised none of the admins have posted here yet. I'd have thought at least one of them would have been annoyed by this thread & posted in their defense. Oh well.

Dark Gogeta
August 10th, 2004, 09:49 PM
Well, none of them are probably on. Just wait til they are on and see what they say.

Lokhlan
August 10th, 2004, 09:58 PM
Yeah I know. I was saying that because I made this thread yesterday.

Brittany
August 10th, 2004, 10:06 PM
Did anyone read my post? I don't know if its possible, but an answer would be cool, you know... because if its possible, umm wouldn't that kinda solve this?

I'm gonna shut up now...

Kairi
August 10th, 2004, 10:08 PM
Oh, as for that. If it *does* go through, we’ll make it so you have to consent before you see the forum. That way if you don’t wan to see the stuff being discussed, you can opt out.
And there would be tighter rules regarding flaming and bashing and stupid posts, and being kicked from the T-dome would be the result.

Brittany
August 10th, 2004, 10:12 PM
OMG somebody responded to me!! I'm not ignored after all!! *faints*

Lokhlan
August 10th, 2004, 10:14 PM
Oh, as for that. If it *does* go through, well make it so you have to consent before you see the forum. That way if you dont wan to see the stuff being discussed, you can opt out.
And there would be tighter rules regarding flaming and bashing and stupid posts, and being kicked from the T-dome would be the result.
Sounds like the T-Dome is almost ready to be introduced to PC? *sigh* I wish I could post in the T-Dome... >_<

See Kairi! You just gave us a wee bit of information. (Informed) *thinks* So maybe it is possible to keep PC members informed? *hugs Kairi*

Master Kwesi Nkromah
August 11th, 2004, 12:01 AM
Hey, sorry for the late response. Im not around much because of Work, School, and well, my life. Time I do spend on PC are spent working on personal community projects. Projects like the drawing board and the information system. These little projects do take up quite a bit of time so I do apologize for the absence.

I expressed concern about the T Dome but certainly didnt reject the idea. I merely took a passive approach to decision making. Your concerns are valid. Managers of this forum do require prior approval before any major decisions are made (starting a controversial forum, forum wide contests, etc).

Its kinda the catch 22. We wont allow changes be made without us but we arent here to allow the changes because we are busy making (PC) changes! Its defiantly a issue that deserves a much closer look. Ill make it my top priority to see things change.

Oh, T-Dome, baring any other suggestions from our Administrators I think it will go threw.

Lokhlan
August 11th, 2004, 01:30 AM
Im not around much because of Work, School, and well, my life. If I can relate to anything - I can relate to that. I work two jobs & soon I'll be attending college. I feel your pain.

Oh, T-Dome, baring any other suggestions from our Administrators I think it will go threw.
You've brightened my day. Actually my night, but whatever. :P