Arceus

[World King]

I've remade this thread after the old one got revived after a month by some user and locked by Ausaudriel :D



Arceus: The only Pokémon so far not officially revealed by Nintendo, and the only one so far to be illegal in everyway posible.

Classified as the Alpha Pokémon, it's sure worthy of the title, with a total base stat points of 720, the highest one so far, with 372 total in any stat, and an Arsenal of moves, including its ever type-changing Jugdment.

In my opinion, one hell of a Pokémon. But that's just me! What is YOUR opinion about it? Post what you think of the "God" Pokémon.

[DJ Lorik]

All I can say is that I wish I had the Pokemon available in my arsenal heheh. I would have so much fun with it, it would be awesome. Having it and Pikachu would complete my whole Pokemon team.

[Sir Matt]

I think they overdid this a little. I have one myself, because I went to an event somewhere, and it's just a little too strong in my opinion. But there's a reason for it to be this strong! Nintendo wanted nobody to know about this until it came out in Japan or something. So obviously they wanted to hide their little god horse, which is good, because who knows what could be going on right now if they had already released it.

[True Justice]

I do think they needed a Pokemon that ultimately has the highest base stats of the all. However, because it is the strongest, it conflicts with other Pokemon (mainly Mew) preventing it from being completely ultimate and dominant. It can't learn every TM unlike Mew. But this does prevent people from overly using it. Another problem is creating another generation of Pokemon beyond the strongest.

So I like Arceus as the strongest, but I think it will cause future problems.

[DeathlyHallows]

Well, Arceus IS strong, of course, but I don't think it's the strongest, because of it's 720 base stats distribution.
What makes it powerful is that it hits powerfully and can take hits (having 120 base stat in def, sp.def, and HP), but it's offensive abilities are average compared to other ubers, and it's speed is not the best.

Personally I think Attack deoxys is the best, Having 180 sp.att/att, and 150 spd!
It's unbeatable!

[UberChomp]

I think they overdid this a little. I have one myself, because I went to an event somewhere, and it's just a little too strong in my opinion. But there's a reason for it to be this strong! Nintendo wanted nobody to know about this until it came out in Japan or something. So obviously they wanted to hide their little god horse, which is good, because who knows what could be going on right now if they had already released it.

There hasn't been an Arceus event anywhere in the world yet, he has yet to be announced by Nintendo or distributed in anyway. You had to have hacked.

[Mōnštȝr¿]

It is just like any other legend to me.... I have reasons for thinking this however... but i don't feel like explaining them..

[DonRoyale]

I.
Love.
Arceus.

The argument I have is that in every way, shape and form, it is better than Mew. I have an acute hate for Mew (See: Pokemon You Hate thread), and the fact that they come out with another Pokemon that can learn all TM's, become any one type, and has a move that gets STAB, boost from its held item, and can be any type is ridiculous.

Plus, base stats of 120 across the board isn't so bad either. :D

I love this thing, srsly. It's not my favorite legendary, as Giratina holds that title, but it is probably the deadliest Pokemon out there due to the fact that it's both very possible and very difficult to predict in the hands of someone who can utilize its ability effectively.

[DJ Lorik]

The main thing about this that should be known is that it is not the single strongest Pokemon in general. In stats that is the case, but I bet Mew or maybe another Pokemon could beat it.

[Walrein]

As you said, you another Uber for me. It's "nice" to have a pokemon with super-stats thought.

[Stormer07]

arcues is gonna be the best poke ever!!! it will pwn probably- a god pokemon sounds soooooooo cool :)

[World King]

It DOES do a pretty nice job at PWNing. (Specially with Judgment...)

[RhymesWithEmpty]

No doubt it's insanely powerful and has tons of potential, but it just leaves me wondering, what now? It seems like each new generation tries to outdo the last in terms of legendaries, but this generation has just taken it way overboard. Now that we've got a legendary that is essentially God, what's next? What could possible proceed that as the next big, ultimate legendary? It seems like they've just created a huge wall for themselves. Arceus is definitely interesting, but I think they went a little overboard with it.

[Bludycomicsinc]

This pokemon right now seems to be the "strongest of them all" but remeber when mew was released,everybody thought it was the strongest.It's strong and all but definitly not the strongest.I think it's going to become an uber with moves like judgment.But then again...whats so strong about a pokemon that looks like a goat?

[Lith]

I think it has 800+ of all stats once in reaches lvl 100...or is it 700+?
Im not sure, but once its released, i will PROBALY get it...

[Melodyfree]

I don't think Arceus is overkill. Anything stronger than Arceus, then that'd be overkill.
Although I don't think they're going to even try and make a stronger Pokemon. Maybe a Satanic counterpart, but not anything stronger; especially if it really is the God of all Pokemon.

[4th Gen Matt]

I think we needed a god Pokemon, and I am glad we got it.

I think they are going to have to make a new tier just for him though. I would like to see Garchomp take on an Ice-type Arceus. Lol.

[YOOM-TAH]

I think it has 800+ of all stats once in reaches lvl 100...or is it 700+?
Im not sure, but once its released, i will PROBALY get it...


Neither of those, that would be ridiculous. It's max HP is 444 and the rest are max 372.

[Qwilfish]

RBY Mewtwo was waaaaay stronger.

Arceus is pretty good though. I prefer other legendaries though.

[UberChomp]

It DOES do a pretty nice job at PWNing. (Specially with Judgment...)


Judgement is an amazing move. 100 base power, 100 accuracy, special type move, can be any type at will, what more can you ask for?


I think we needed a god Pokemon, and I am glad we got it.

I think they are going to have to make a new tier just for him though. I would like to see Garchomp take on an Ice-type Arceus. Lol.

I've always thought about a new tier for Arceus, just because he makes ubers look weak XD.

On the Garchomp vs. Ice Arceus thing, no way, Arceus would own Garchomp all the way.

RBY Mewtwo was waaaaay stronger.

Arceus is pretty good though. I prefer other legendaries though.

That's true. RBY Mewtwo was sickeningly strong, it could wipe out anything in the game. I remember those days....

[DJ Lorik]

Another thing we have to keep in mind is that because it's the strongest of all it will also be very hard to control or even catch. So we'll have to see how that plays out as well.

[YOOM-TAH]

^^No it won't. You have all the badges and you throw a master ball at it. What is hard about that?

[UberChomp]

Another thing we have to keep in mind is that because it's the strongest of all it will also be very hard to control or even catch. So we'll have to see how that plays out as well.

No, not really. The way the events have been playing out, we will get Arceus via mystery gift and he will be in a cherish ball.

[Wolflare]

I think nintendo should of waited on the strongest pokemon. It seems too early, just for me...

[UberChomp]

Arceus makes you think. Is this the end of pokemon? If he's the creator and the strongest, how can you go farther? Is 4th gen the last gen? It all makes you think in a way.

[Wolflare]

Arceus makes you think. Is this the end of pokemon? If he's the creator and the strongest, how can you go farther? Is 4th gen the last gen? It all makes you think in a way.
It might not be the last generation, but arceus might seem like he is a pokemon god.

[Ineffable~]

What's so strong about a pokemon that looks like a goat?I am going to kill you in your sleep.

Arceus is awesome. It can be any type!
And people say, "well, it can't learn every TM!"
Boohoo! No one else can do that either! Except Mew,
and its base stats are only 600, so it's over-compensating.
Here are a few best things about Arceus:

1. It has the best base stats.
2. It has the best abilitie.
3. It has (one of) the best appearances.
4. It has the best cry.
5. It has the best pokedex entry.
6. It has the best type range.
7. It has the best signature move.
Enough said.

Sorry if I sounded angry. Just making a point.

Another thing we have to keep in mind is that because it's the strongest of all it will also be very hard to control or even catch. So we'll have to see how that plays out as well.

I caught it and it's not that hard. Got a few tricks up ma' sleeve.

RBY Mewtwo was sickeningly strong, it could wipe out anything in the game. I remember those days....
That's only because of the extreme imbalance of types in Generation I.
If you don't understand, visit http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Psychic_%28type%29

[YOOM-TAH]

Arceus makes you think. Is this the end of pokemon? If he's the creator and the strongest, how can you go farther? Is 4th gen the last gen? It all makes you think in a way.

No, because there is no reason for them to have to top themselves. They can just as easily make new pokemon and new legendaries which are in no way "better" or "bigger" or whatever than Arceus.

[Ineffable~]

No, because there is no reason for them to have to top themselves. They can just as easily make new pokemon and new legendaries which are in no way "better" or "bigger" or whatever than Arceus.
I don't know, it doesn't look good. Why would they put the ultimatum--the
god of all Pokemon-- at the end, only to add more? Here are a few reasons
to support that there sadly may not be a Generation V:
1.There are not many ideas for new Pokemon. I think there are a few, but
probably not to support a whole new generation.
2. Arceus can change it's type.... What ideas
can you possibly have for a better ability!
3. Arceus's signature move is Judgment. It
has a power of 100, and Arceus always gets
STAB for it. 100*1.5=150 And with no disadvantages!
None at all! The only better you can get is Breloom's
Spore+Focus Punch combo! And anything better is ridiculous.

[RhymesWithEmpty]

Arceus does make me wonder if this could be the last gen, but with how much money Nintendo has got to be raking in off these games, I can't possibly see them just stopping now. Sure, they could just keep making ranger and dungeon games, and all of that other wonderful stuff they pull money in off of, but without a new generation, it's all going to run dry eventually. So even though Arceus does kind of seem like the be-all-end-all of new Pokemon, I really doubt they'd just throw one of their biggest franchises down the tubes by not making new generations.

[.emerald]

Definitely not the strongest. Although its strong, I've got to agree with that.

[thethethethe]

If you actually put some thought into this, you'd probably realise this. If Pokemon introduced the 'Alpha Pokemon' there is now a fair chance that an 'Omega Pokemon' will be created sometime soon. Which will probably have similiar or greater stats, and then there'll probably something even greater than that after that sometime.
So Arceus may be the strongest of them all currently, but I doubt that will last too long.

[DJ Lorik]

I caught it and it's not that hard. Got a few tricks up ma' sleeve.

I wasn't exactly talking about us trying to catch it in a video game(that can be done), I was mainly talking about future Pokemon series(anime).

[UberChomp]

[s]

That's only because of the extreme imbalance of types in Generation I.
If you don't understand, visit http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Psychic_%28type%29

I understand. Please don't infer that I am an idiot, or anyone else is, I know what bulbapedia is and I'm sure I've known about the 1st gen type imbalance before you did. I'm just reminiscing about the ol' days and when my Mewtwo in Yellow Version owned and I was so proud.

No, because there is no reason for them to have to top themselves. They can just as easily make new pokemon and new legendaries which are in no way "better" or "bigger" or whatever than Arceus.

That's true. Good thought.

[Ineffable~]

I understand. Please don't infer that I am an idiot, or anyone else is, I know what bulbapedia is and I'm sure I've known about the 1st gen type imbalance before you did. I'm just reminiscing about the ol' days and when my Mewtwo in Yellow Version owned and I was so proud.
I don't think you're an idiot. I'm sorry if you thought that.

[True Reign]

A good Pokemon gamer could beat this Pokemon any day.

All Pokemon have atleast one weakness, even if it was a 'God'.

[World King]

Well, even the God has one Point of strength: In-Game Data showed us a sprite for the only Pokémon-Type without weakness: the Ever-Mysterious ??? type, that it only shares with 1 attack: Curse. Which may be a clue that indeed, there were plans to make Arceus without weakness at all, but it's most logical that it was simply inserted so that when hackers tried to find data for ??? Arceus, the game wouldn't crash.

[UberChomp]

I don't think you're an idiot. I'm sorry if you thought that.

Its no problem, just your link made me think you were saying that, because the type imbalance of generation 1 is a pretty well-known topic in pokemon.

[Opposite Day]

Arceus = God?
Well, it seems pretty strange that you can catch God in a simple pokeball, IMO.

Btw, I suppose some/all of you know about Legend of Fenju, the hack Neti is working on?
In that game, several legendaries is thought to have created the earth, and where they lived, so it could be that only the people in Sinnoh believe that Arceus is the ultimate pokemon.

(And no, I don't think of it as ultimate. A crobat is faster than the best pokemon? Hmmmm)

[UberChomp]

Arceus = God?
Well, it seems pretty strange that you can catch God in a simple pokeball, IMO.

Btw, I suppose some/all of you know about Legend of Fenju, the hack Neti is working on?
In that game, several legendaries is thought to have created the earth, and where they lived, so it could be that only the people in Sinnoh believe that Arceus is the ultimate pokemon.

(And no, I don't think of it as ultimate. A crobat is faster than the best pokemon? Hmmmm)

Are you kidding me? Crobat is in no way comparable to Arceus. Go to smogon's page on Arceus, please, before you comment on his true power. I want to see your opinion then. Arceus is a godly uber, his base stats are phenomenal and his multitype ability makes him that much more versatile, he can pull off any type of set and make it look and work good. Arceus is a straight up beast. I'm not saying there are no ways around him, but RBY Mewtwo, Deoxys-A, and Arceus are all straight up disgustingly powerful and there are no other pokemon that compare.

[Opposite Day]

Definitely not the strongest. Although its strong, I've got to agree with that.

Are you kidding me? Crobat is in no way comparable to Arceus. Go to smogon's page on Arceus, please, before you comment on his true power. I want to see your opinion then. Arceus is a godly uber, his base stats are phenomenal and his multitype ability makes him that much more versatile, he can pull off any type of set and make it look and work good. Arceus is a straight up beast. I'm not saying there are no ways around him, but RBY Mewtwo, Deoxys-A, and Arceus are all straight up disgustingly powerful and there are no other pokemon that compare.

I'm talking about Crobat's base speed.
I don't know about you, but last time I checked, arecus had 120 base in every stat, and Crobat had 130. Yes, I know, Arceus learns Extremespeed at lvl 40, and Crobat is nothing near that.
He is a beast, yes, but ALL i said was that Crobat was faster. Please, I'm new to Pokecommunity (as you probably can tell) but I did NOT say that Crobat is better than Arceus. It is just faster.
It is the strongest in base stats, but he can still lose.

(Btw, smogon read. And I withdraw my statement that it is not the strongest pkmn to date. "After the pre-battle tintinnabulation is completed, please stare in pure, unadulterated horror and ominous presentiment at what is unequivocally the best and most versatile Pokémon in the game. Dare not incur Arceus' divine wrath, or else the consequences shall be severe and merciless, and life shall become an evanescent wisp.")
I guess I'm a wisp then, but I might still burn the Almighty, by stating that it is NOT invincible.

[UberChomp]

I'm talking about Crobat's base speed.
I don't know about you, but last time I checked, arecus had 120 base in every stat, and Crobat had 130. Yes, I know, Arceus learns Extremespeed at lvl 40, and Crobat is nothing near that.
He is a beast, yes, but ALL i said was that Crobat was faster. Please, I'm new to Pokecommunity (as you probably can tell) but I did NOT say that Crobat is better than Arceus. It is just faster.
It is the strongest in base stats, but he can still lose.

(Btw, smogon read. And I withdraw my statement that it is not the strongest pkmn to date. "After the pre-battle tintinnabulation is completed, please stare in pure, unadulterated horror and ominous presentiment at what is unequivocally the best and most versatile Pokémon in the game. Dare not incur Arceus' divine wrath, or else the consequences shall be severe and merciless, and life shall become an evanescent wisp.")
I guess I'm a wisp then, but I might still burn the Almighty, by stating that it is NOT invincible.

Of course there are pokemon like Blissey out there who center around one or two stats and beat anyother pokemon that try to come close in that certain stat. Arceus is beast, and yes there are pokemon that are better in some areas, but overall, you can't overlook the fact that there is a pokemon out there that has an insanely good base stat in EVERY category.

Also, I'm glad you read that wonderful quote. ;)

[Opposite Day]

Anytime.;)
Time to calm down and congratulate you with your 300th post on the community.:)

[UberChomp]

Anytime.;)
Time to calm down and congratulate you with your 300th post on the community.:)

Heh, thanks. ^_^ I just love this community.

But anyway, on topic, I just can't wait to test out Arceus for myself when he is released through an official US Nintendo event. I really want to see what he can do for myself.

[Opposite Day]

Heh, thanks. ^_^ I just love this community.

But anyway, on topic, I just can't wait to test out Arceus for myself when he is released through an official US Nintendo event. I really want to see what he can do for myself.

Ya, agreed.
Reading on smogon about what he/she/it/that god thingy can do is one thing, but actually witnessing it is another part of awesomeness ^W^

[ShadowWind]

i dont like arceus it is not good and by calling it a "god" among pokemon is like affirming they will never make more then the 4th gen. so i really think they over did it here

[.Nighthawk.]

arceus is a weakling my freind has a action replay and he uses the modifier to train up his team !

[ShadowWind]

I am going to kill you in your sleep.

Arceus is awesome. It can be any type!
And people say, "well, it can't learn every TM!"
Boohoo! No one else can do that either! Except Mew,
and its base stats are only 600, so it's over-compensating.
Here are a few best things about Arceus:

1. It has the best base stats.
2. It has the best abilitie.
3. It has (one of) the best appearances.
4. It has the best cry.
5. It has the best pokedex entry.
6. It has the best type range.
7. It has the best signature move.
Enough said.

Sorry if I sounded angry. Just making a point.



I caught it and it's not that hard. Got a few tricks up ma' sleeve.


That's only because of the extreme imbalance of types in Generation I.
If you don't understand, visit http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Psychic_%28type%29

those are opinions not facts and have you ever considered taht maybe they made it TO good? besides arceus could not stand up to one of my pokemon in the hands of a good battler

[Dunsparce]

The Arceus Dex Entry for Platinum doesn't say "According to Myth". It basically states it created the Universe.

I'm trying to find out if the Japnese D/P Dex Entries also lack the "According to Myth".

After all, outside of Japan, Religious things are quite Taboo. Adding the "According to Myth" thing in other languages would help end any controversy before it even begins.

Edit: Here's an opinion from the experts at Smogon, the best competitive batters out there:

After the pre-battle tintinnabulation is completed, please stare in pure, unadulterated horror and ominous presentiment at what is unequivocally the best and most versatile Pokémon in the game. Dare not incur Arceus' divine wrath, or else the consequences shall be severe and merciless, and life shall become an evanescent wisp.

[Ineffable~]

But anyway, on topic, I just can't wait to test out Arceus for myself when he is released through an official US Nintendo event. I really want to see what he can do for myself.
Hmmmm... Do you really think they'll even do that?
They really seem to neglect all other countries, as far as ubers go.

[UberChomp]

Hmmmm... Do you really think they'll even do that?
They really seem to neglect all other countries, as far as ubers go.

They have never neglected the USA, but right now they are starting to with Shaymin being held up from our grasp. >_<

[Trap-Eds]

This Pokemon confuses me. If it's not officially revealed, then why in the world is it obtainable in the game?? Same with Shaymin. That doesn't make any sense to me.

But about the poll, ehh...just another legend. Except this one might be the last, considering it is the Pokemon GOD.

heh, God has his own Pokemon. :D

[Bludycomicsinc]

This Pokemon confuses me. If it's not officially revealed, then why in the world is it obtainable in the game?? Same with Shaymin. That doesn't make any sense to me.

But about the poll, ehh...just another legend. Except this one might be the last, considering it is the Pokemon GOD.

heh, God has his own Pokemon. :D


That's because the people obtaining arceus are using action replays.

[Lana.]

Arceus... is something I offer little to no opinion on. I like it, and how it can change types and all, but I just don't see myself using one. I really don't, and not just because it's unobtainable (except by hacks and AR), I just really haven't ever liked switching out Pokemon I've been using throughout the game just so I can have a more powerful.

I get emotionally attached to sprites xD I just cant get myself to switch out one of my Pokemon with the Azelf in my PC...

[.]

I personally dislike it. I don't find it interesting, but hey that's me.

[World King]

Well, we'll see what the future holds for Arceus, then...

[UberChomp]

I personally dislike it. I don't find it interesting, but hey that's me.

So when Arceus is officially released via an official Nintendo event you won't grab one and try him out in ubers, eh Vance?

[Dark Sakurati]

Well just because Arceus is the god Pokemon, it dosent mean it will mean it will be the last generation, they might continue with new Pokemon, but are not as strong as Arceus, that might give you something to think about. And I own a Arceus that I got from Hall of origin by playing the Azure flute that I got in a mystery gift that I got from my brother.

[Postman]

I think it's going to become an uber with moves like judgment.

It's already an uber.

Well just because Arceus is the god Pokemon, it dosent mean it will mean it will be the last generation, they might continue with new Pokemon, .

I don't even understand why people even say that Pokemon can't continue now that it has a god.

[World King]

Exactly. Even if Pokémon already has a God, GameFreak shouldn't stop making them, although they can't make any higher-grade Pokémon than Arceus (what can be higher than a God), but the species can just continue fine...

[Opposite Day]

I would not be surprised if they continued, creating a pantheon though. (Like Arceus is Zeus, and they just continue adding and adding and adding lesser gods to the ranks)
Very likely to happen, I guess.

[Chairzard]

He's over powered and incredibly dumb looking, at least to my high tastes.Mewtwo is far cooler looking and should have remained the most powerful.A pokemon with a scyther like appearance would be a cool legendary.

But whatever Diamond and pearl suck, so does Ruby and sapphire though.

Gold and silver remake needed asap.

[Volkner's Apprentice]

I kind of think it was a lame idea...I mean sure, a God-like Pokemon being created makes sense, but it seems kind of useless. Just another legendary for event hunters to locate/collect.

(Btw, is it pronounced Arr-kah-us or Ar-say-us or neither?)

[Mewcario]

whenever I hear ''arceus" "TACCCCHUM DUCCCCHUM ARRRU" goes in mah head

[braminoid]

Arceus isn't that good there pokemon with better stats such as Blissey , Shuckle and Rampados and Judgement has the same Power/acc as Earthquake.

[Pachireecko]

It may be strong but if you can catch it then it's not THE strongest!

[Horizon]

I kind of think it was a lame idea...I mean sure, a God-like Pokemon being created makes sense, but it seems kind of useless. Just another legendary for event hunters to locate/collect.

(Btw, is it pronounced Arr-kah-us or Ar-say-us or neither?)

I don't think it was a lame idea; I think it ties in with the theme of Gen IV.

And according to PBR, it's pronounced Are-see-us

Arceus isn't that good there pokemon with better stats such as Blissey , Shuckle and Rampados and Judgement has the same Power/acc as Earthquake.

That may be, but Arceus has the highest base stat total of all Pokemon, and that's what counts. 120s across the board, which means that a always STAB Judgment is going to hurt alot more than an Earthquake from Blissey, my friend.

It may be strong but if you can catch it then it's not THE strongest!

Having an uncatchable Pokemon would kinda defeat the purpose of the game wouldn't it?

[Saltare.]

Arceus is pretty cool. It truly is "The God Pokemon" Because it watches over Sinnoh from the Hall or Origin

[HaosMew]

Arceus is cool and all, but being the "God of all Pokemon", you can't really go beyond that. So unless Nintendo have run out of ideas for new Pokemon, they've kind of shot themselves in the foot. But then again, they could just release a new region, or a whole different planet, or something like that.

[The American Battler]

A different planet? I think that's a little too much, no? A new region is far more suitalble.

[World King]

They WILL be new Ideas from Nintendo for the 5th Generation, but I don't think they'll be anything in higher authority or power than Arceus...

[Tristank1]

To me Arceus is just like every other legendary pokemon because a legendary pokemon is a legendary pokemon and this is just another one of them but also i do agree that calling this the "god" pokemon it causes future problems with next gens

[dumbpikAchu]

Meh, Arceus is preety strong, level 80, wake up!!!

[I Laugh at your Misfortune!]

for the next gen,they could probably have it set in the future and say that Arceus is dead, no? maybe a bit of a weird idea, but it gets around the problem

[8th Wonder™]

It's just another Legendary. Besides, it's not the best in every stat. Shuckle has the best Defence ever, you have to admit.
I wouldn't use Arceus in battles, since it ought to be hell easy to win.

[Ryuu Akamatsu]

Okay. Shuckle has better defense but Arceus still has better Attack, Speed, etc. The thing is, just because another Pokemon has one stat that's higher, that doesn't mean it's better for battling. With Arceus however, you have the best of all worlds. High stats in all areas. Say you have a Speed form Deoxys. Sure it has higher speed but arceus has higher everything else!

I think you see my point.

[Euphoric Magikarp]

Hate Arceus, they overdid it.

[El Gofre]

It's just another Legendary. Besides, it's not the best in every stat. Shuckle has the best Defence ever, you have to admit.
I wouldn't use Arceus in battles, since it ought to be hell easy to win.

You're honestly comparing arceus to shuckle? That's just stupid. Plenty of pokes are superior in stat yet still fail compared to others. Flareon has a better attack stat than arceus but you don't catch anybody using him do you?

Oh, and shuckle has the best defence stats, its defensive capabilities in general are laughable due to its abysmal HP (Lol 3HKO'd by blissey), lack of effective recovery and horrific movepool (Lol only offensive capability is toxic)

[Zetta-Chan]

To me, it is just like any other legendary really. Just the "strongest" or the "creator." It did not have a really big impact on me, so it is just normal to mah.

[sanshroo]

I personaly don't have any reason to like arceus other than the fact that he's a beast. first of all, he's got no tie in to the plot, and there is no epic quest or anything to get him. I mean, if this is suposed to be a big deal they should've at least given him a dungeon or something like they did with heateran.

he looks weird. most of the newer pokemon do, and I just don't like it. gen. 4 is going to take some geting used to.

as for the whole ultamate end/no gen. 5 I don't realy mind. as long as nintendo ceeps makeing good pokemon games I could care less, caus' there are soooooo many pokemon already.

[Vernikova]

It's a strong pokémon that recieves too much praise for its own good. It may have amazing stats but that doesn't make it the strongest.

[sanshroo]

Actualy, thats false. He has the best stats. look it up.

(wait..... is arceus a he?? Looking up.)

[Vernikova]

I know it has the best stats. There's not much difference by saying amazing. :\ Even then it doesn't take away from what I said before.

[Chérii]

I dislike Arceus. They tried to make the strongest Pokemon but didn't do a good job. It is diverse and unpredictable, I'll give it that. But since it's the god Pokemon and theoretically the strongest, it just somehow ruins my liking for Pokemon in a rather unexplainable way. It looks godly, but still pretty darn ugly.

[Caelus]

Arceus is probably my favorite ledgendary, but that's only becuase of it's impressive stats, which makes me wonder wether the stats are a bit too much, even if it is fitting for one such as Arceus.
Based by looks, Arceus isn't that great due to how ugly it is, but I can ignore looks just as long as it has the stats i'm looking for, which it does (Even if the stats are a bit too much, IMO).

[DARKSHADE]

well, theres loads of talk about nintendo not being able to create a pokemon stronger than arceus

EVEN I CAN DO THAT:

ok here we go

it can learn every TM (like mew)
it gives of 5 EV points in every stat.
a move with 200 attack and 200 accuracy..
and it can also (like arceus) change to any type
(and maybe a special HM that only IT can learn?)- maybe...

meh, see easy!

anyway back to arceus: i think they should at least give it a new form instead of stupid goat arceus..

[Banjora Marxvile]

well, theres loads of talk about nintendo not being able to create a pokemon stronger than arceus

EVEN I CAN DO THAT:

ok here we go

it can learn every TM (like mew)
it gives of 5 EV points in every stat.
a move with 200 attack and 200 accuracy..
and it can also (like arceus) change to any type
(and maybe a special HM that only IT can learn?)- maybe...

meh, see easy!

anyway back to arceus: i think they should at least give it a new form instead of stupid goat arceus..

Yeah, but anyone can create a stronger pokemon... This is Nintendo... They never think of doing the fans ideas, or the right ones (G/S remake for example).

Anyway, I don't really mind about Arceus. So what if its a goat? Nothing in pokemon about them makes sense, and also, nothing wrong with a Super Goat!

[DARKSHADE]

apart from the fact it looks retarded!

[HeidiMoose]

I don't really like Arceus.

[World King]

Meh, I do think Nintendo could've had a better design for the "god" of all Pokémon, but it's still a pretty cool design...

[Haza]

I love Arceus. Its so Divine and Powerful and I can make it any type I want.

[Dragonfire100]

I always play with my favourites and this thing ain't one of 'em. Nintendo are right to not make it available.

[Glitter Stain]

Arceus is an ugly goat with a robotic cry. I liked the idea of Mew being the source of the creation of all Pokemon, and I intend on continuing to think that way. Not soon will I bow down to Arceus.

[.]

I think it's way to early to judge Arceus yet. It's not even legally obtainable in the game. I'd like to see more come from Arceus in later game development =]

[SethCullen]

Weres the Beta and Gamma pokemon?

XD i like arceus alot.

[Glitter Stain]

I think it's way to early to judge Arceus yet. It's not even legally obtainable in the game. I'd like to see more come from Arceus in later game development =]
wut... You've seen just about all you're going to see of Arceus in the games, from the looks of it. (Although I'm sure the Anime has something to offer)

[Waffle-San]

Well there's sort of a soft ban on Arceus in ubers right now in someplaces because it hasn't officially been released (which I don't get but whatever, I could be wrong I didn't really pay attention.

Now regarding the discussion on Arceus, yes by definition Arceus is the strongest but he is outclassed in different roles. Mewtwo does the Special Sweeping job better with 154 base Sp. Atk and 130 base speed. Physical Sweeping is done better and walling is done better by the likes of Lugia and Giratina as their defensive capabilities are much better.
People have compared it to DeoxysA which I don't quite understand as despite its insane attacking stats 180/180/150 it is killed by Priority Moves, Weather effects and Status. 50/20/20 defenses scares no one.

Multitype is what gives Arceus its god status, as it's hard to counter properly since you never know what type it is. Plus a 150 (after Stab) attacking move with no draw backs is nice.

I'm willing to say Arceus is an amazing pokemon, but not the best. No one does the unpredictable tank better though.

[Haza]

Weres the Beta and Gamma pokemon?

XD i like arceus alot.

What we need is the Omega pokemon. Orceos

[moments.]

I don't really like Arceus, but I have never used him, seen him used, seen him in an Anime, I don't really know about him...
I don't really like the popular Pokemon simply because they are powerful, I prefer the ones I personally like whether strong or not..

[Waffle-San]

What we need is the Omega pokemon. Orceos

Haha, sounds like an Oreo, though we all know oreo's control the universe, so it fits. Seriously, the vowel to consenant ratio is 3:1 in Oreo, if that's not universe ruling I don't know what is. (No one think I'm kidding)

[.:Kanto:.]

I still think that it shouldn't be the 'creator' of all Pokémon. It just dosen't sound right.. I mean why now?

[Cid]

Huh. Actually, I think they overdid this a little.

I could not say it any better myself.
I did not mean to be rude or anything, though Arceus does not fit his title as the "Alpha Pokémon" for many reasons already said by the ones who posted before me.

[SethCullen]

What about a Beta?

Beoueces?

[Shaterpie]

I hate it, it's suddenly come along and become the "Creator" when for years everyone thought Mew was the "Creator" or the original ancestor. Nintendo panicked and ran out of ideas, so they decided to rewrite the Pokemon history which had been the same for near on 10 years. Terrible.

[Tribulations]

Nintendo have done a fairly good job in trying to fit Arceus into the whole mythology and legend of the Pokémon world. Mew was never regarded as the creator - only as an ancestor. To compare it to the Abrahamic religious traditions, Arceus is God, while Mew is Adam/Eve. What Nintendo have done, in my opinion, is write themselves into a corner, as it were. We've always had some nondescript legendary Pokémon such as Mewtwo, Celebi etc. that don't really have too much bearing on the legend of the Pokémon world, but there have been those with various powers that affect the environment. Subsequently, Nintendo have created more powerful abilities, as it were. The Legendary Birds had control over the elements, for example, but as time's gone on we've seen 'guardians' of the skies and seas (Ho-Oh and Lugia respectively), Pokémon that control the climate (Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza) and Pokémon that control time and space themselves (Dialga and Palkia). Where does one go after controlling the fabric of spacetime? Logically, one could argue, we move to deities. With Arceus Nintendo have created an ultimate god - one closer to the Abrahamic God than the kami of Japanese Buddhist tradition. I can't see anywhere to go from here that would continue the tradition of a new set of legendaries being more powerful than the last.

[Kyone]

I say that yes stat wise and look wise it is strong and very cool looking, but honestly I do not think it is the strongest...the major weakness it has is only allowed being one type of pokemon...