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Mitchman
November 6th, 2008, 08:49 AM
I starting to wonder about something. Ok now its based on my experience this question so just bear with me:
Is there a god or are we not alone in the universe. Now im not going to go into religion cause that is a no-no in my book of yes's and no's in thread topics. i just want to see if you guys agree or disagree with me. Ok the reason im curious botu this? I just realized in a strange way that the events and time of event is not controlled by us but the how it will be done or even done is controlled by us. How did i come up with this absurd theory? Ill give you guys some examples:
1. I dreamt about the principal of our school bringing snakes to the school them breaking out of the cages and one girl was trapped by them. So i saved her. Monday 2 days after i dreamt this the principal told us about her idea for bringing snakes to school. I acually convinced her not to and that day never happened
2. I dreamt about this girl i never met. I asked her out and she said no. So i go to a new school and what happens? She is in my class. Remembering how i asked her out i acually changed the lines to see if they would work but unfortunately they didn't.
3. I dreamt bout hanging out with my friends on a nice sunny morning in shorts and all happy. So then about a month later i fall down the stairs damage my knee and the same day happened but i was in cruches.

Freaky or what?! So my real question is this:
Destiny and fate is real apparently or aliens have us as lab rats seeing what our brain is truly capable of and im one of em without my knowledge.

Gerri Shin
November 6th, 2008, 08:55 AM
I've had this sort of thing happen to me many times in my life, where I will have a dream about an event only to have it actually happen at a later date. personally I'm not sure how it's possible, all i can say is I don't believe you're crazy. One of the instances that I can remember vividly was when I was a little kid, I distinctly remember being in the backseat of my parent's car when My dad accidentally drove it through the back wall of our garage, however according to my mother, I was comfortably sleeping in my bed at the time.

Josephine
November 6th, 2008, 08:56 AM
All these things are probably coincidences, apart from the incident with asking out the girl, I don't believe you dreamt about her before you met her. >_>

And aliens using us as lab rats?
No, I can't say I share your beliefs on that... 0.o

Also, work on formating your posts better, that was painful to read. D:

Mitchman
November 6th, 2008, 08:56 AM
Yay for gerri shin! So question did you somehow alter the event or no?
@josephine: Ok whatever dont believe but if there is something that ivdont do on the internet is lie. Thats like making the internet think you are someone when your really just someone else.

Patchisou Yutohru
November 6th, 2008, 08:57 AM
Sometimes dreams can predict the future. For example, I had a dream back when I was in fourth grade of my grandmother passing away. The next day it happened.

So it's not really all that freaky.
As far as people controlling us, though that's a theory on it's own, or you may have been playing too much Sims. But, regardless.

But, could you please edit that post using spell check? It was really difficult to read.

Mitchman
November 6th, 2008, 08:59 AM
Yeah i will. Balancing the key board on one knee cause the other one is damaged is hard. And yes i was hanging with my friends yesterday.

Patchisou Yutohru
November 6th, 2008, 09:14 AM
Yeah i will. Balancing the key board on one knee cause the other one is damaged is hard. And yes i was hanging with my friends yesterday.

What does that have to do with anything?

Mitchman
November 6th, 2008, 09:20 AM
Well for those who could say i was lying bout the whole knee thing.

Patchisou Yutohru
November 6th, 2008, 09:24 AM
What does it matter to them? If you're speaking about people online: That doesn't matter. No one knows what happens behind the screen so stating that you were with your friends is irrelevant to the conversation.

Horizon
November 6th, 2008, 09:25 AM
The alien thing is entirely possible. It's completely plausible that other worldly beings sent life to this planet and are watching our every move to see how life here has evolved. It might seem farfetched, but it's an established theory and is as possible as the next.

I do believe in fate and I don't. I believe fate so far as that there is somebody perfect for everybody on the earth, and you must find them and spend the rest of your life with them as one of life's goals. I don't believe, however, that our lives are pre-planned before they even happen, because as to quote Neo: "I don't like the idea that I'm not in control of my life."

Mitchman
November 6th, 2008, 09:36 AM
Well yeah i dont like the idea of that also but i consider it possbile.

I Laugh at your Misfortune!
November 6th, 2008, 09:42 AM
Do i like the idea that we aren't in control of our lives? No
Do I believe this theory? No
But do i believe tht it is possible? Yes

4th Gen Matt
November 6th, 2008, 03:46 PM
I always get this! I dream about something and then days, months or even years later I just suddenly recognize this event and feel like it had already happened before. It is kind of cool knowing that I already know what is going to happen. I dreamed about my first car crash a while back. Right into a mailbox.. not looking forward to that one..

Yamikarasu
November 6th, 2008, 07:28 PM
Two words (I think, I don't speak French!): Déjà vu.

Or an alternate explanation would be this: You have a lot of dreams at night, the vast majority you don't remember. When something that happens in real life seems to match something that happens in a past dream your brain makes a connection, otherwise you just forget about that dream completely.

Ask yourself how many dreams have you had that had no bearing at all on the real world? Don't you think those numbers vastly outweigh the dreams that do seem to parallel a future event? Don't you think eventually you will have at least one dream that is similar to the real world?

Or you could choose to believe that aliens are controlling our minds through flu shots.

Anyway, that's my two cents.

marz
November 6th, 2008, 07:52 PM
Your in-a-nutshell theory (at the very bottom of your post), I half agree with. I do completely believe that you do not control what happens in your life, it's entirely decided beforehand, coming straight down from your ancestors and what genes you got from them. Your personality, your looks, your opinions, etc all decide where you end up in life. Destiny and fate are both inevitable because they've been brought upon you since birth without you even knowing. Whatever happens in life was supposed to happen, and it happened because of the past.

Let's say you're born an outgoing person who loves to be with friends and couldn't care less about studies. You don't let second thoughts get to you. Let's plan out your life a bit, being a bit stereotypical:
You couldn't care less about your studies. What do you choose? Party or working on your big history project due in a week? Obviously go party and get drunk. Usually these types do this in high school. So, you end up having all the fun in high school. Where do you end up because of your crappy grades? A dead-end job, with a dead-end life. You were happy in high school, but you're miserable grown up.

Now let's say you're the complete opposite. Quite introverted, shy and somewhat anti-social, but you love studying and good grades are what make your world go round. What happens?
Possibly a crappy high school life. You might be miserable because of how you barely have any friends, and the only time people talk to you is for study advice or help with work. But wow, your grades are outstanding. Where do you end up? Lawyer? Doctor? You choose, you can do anything you want! You lead a great and successful life. You've probably grown up to find yourself a nice partner and you're happy with your life. You've completely forgotten about your high school troubled times. You were miserable in high school, but happy once you've grown up.

Whatever happens, happens. It happens for a reason, and there is no way to change it, and there was no way to evade it. Even if at times life seems like it's kicked you straight in the balls for no reason, and you feel like absolute crap, there's a reason. There's a good reason.
Let's say you just got dumped by the love of your life. You thought it was forever. You didn't see it coming at all, it's such a shock. There's a reason. Maybe you'll never find out what it is, but let's say you call this person about ten years after graduation at high school. You find out they're in a mental institute because they completely went psycho after a few years. Doubt you would have wanted to deal with that if you guys were still together right? And the same goes for that person. They're in a mental institute for a reason and it was fate and inevitable.

That's why I just accept whatever happens in life. I don't try to think about it, I don't try to change it, I take it for what it is and work with it. You have to do it, whether you like it or not. Even if you're the type of person that wouldn't take it like me and who thinks the complete opposite of what I do, that's your personality's fault. And your personality is determined by your genes, which are handed down to you by your past. It's just the way life works.

As for what started all this destiny and fate? Well there can't be any other explanation than God. But I'm Agnostic so I don't exactly know what to think.

However, for the second part of your theory, I have no idea how you managed to involve aliens using us as test-subjects. I've never heard that one before. There's most likely life somewhere else in our indescribably enormous universe, but I highly doubt they're doing tests on us. That sounds like something that was pulled straight out of your ass to somehow prove that aliens exist. If you're one of them and clearly live on planet Earth, why wouldn't we know about it? Why wouldn't the governments know about it?

the bitter end.
November 6th, 2008, 08:26 PM
Wow... that's creepy, but it's happened to me also! I don't have the time now to go into greter detail, I may edit this post later...

♣Gawain♣
November 7th, 2008, 12:24 AM
All are coincidence, it's just the perfect(or almost) timing of things. Your experience is kinda freaky than mine.

Mitchman
November 7th, 2008, 01:47 AM
Well it could be coincidence. but i belive not to think that. yes i know its called deja vu but i think what i experinced is a bit past deja vu as i acually changed the events a bit.

Sexycheese
November 7th, 2008, 01:51 AM
I belive in god and everything so I dont think aliens are around but I have noticed I get this feeling if something is not quite right or if something bad will happen. Becasue of this I tend to be prepared so it doesnt really effect me

ErickaVolt
November 7th, 2008, 04:05 AM
Coincidence, I guess? My dreams occur from past. More like playbacks. And I don't believe on Gods, I only believe on anything that has scientific explanation.

Sexycheese
November 7th, 2008, 04:09 AM
Coincidence, I guess? My dreams occur from past. More like playbacks. And I don't believe on Gods, I only believe on anything that has scientific explanation.

Are they your own memories or...things form somewhere else

Mitchman
November 7th, 2008, 04:25 AM
How can it be coincidence that i see people in my dreams before i meet them? Seriously i can call this experience or experiences nothing but coincidence.

Sexycheese
November 7th, 2008, 06:45 AM
How can it be coincidence that i see people in my dreams before i meet them? Seriously i can call this experience or experiences nothing but coincidence.

That does seem......unusual......are you sure you never saw that girl before your dream, or someone who looked like her?

Mitchman
November 7th, 2008, 12:03 PM
Yes man i definetly saw her cause im very good with faces but not names. And she was lit up by the sun the same way in the dream so yeah that 2....

Patchisou Yutohru
November 7th, 2008, 12:18 PM
Yes man i definetly saw her cause im very good with faces but not names. And she was lit up by the sun the same way in the dream so yeah that 2....

If you definitely saw her before your dream, than what's the point in having that as an example? Unless you misunderstood the question which was: "Did you ever see her before your dream?"

The Wave
November 9th, 2008, 07:44 AM
I think Link Smash means that he's sure that he never saw the girl before, unless I'm wrong...


anyway, I don't believe in god, and I don't think there is one (no offend to anyone who do believe in god or that there is a god), but I know that there are something in the universe (what we now call "alliens"), the only question is, are we able to reach them, or are THEY able to reach us? and if that happens, are they friendly? questions questions...


also, I think there's some kind of fate. not a fate like everyone understands of it, but something like that there's a kind of live that's set at each person and that everyone will meet those events. the only thing we can do with it is chosing how we face or encounter it and how we handle it. but no one can confirm this, of course, so there might be some ways to change our fate. but yeah, I don't know. who knows, maybe we all have out own "fate". a few examples what occured as a "fate" with me:

I remember one time such a "future" dream. it was that I was at the very end of the very last level of a game (dunno which one, it was a long time ago), but I couldn't beat it, even with all my might. but that night, I dreamed that I played the same game and same level... and that I beated it. I was in that dream like "WTF!? I beated it!" and was suddenly shocked awake in the morning.
so I tried to remember how I beated the game in my dream. I started the game, and played the game EXACT the same way as my dream.... and beated the game. and I said "WTF?! I beated it!". yes, the same text. when I noticed that I was even more shocked.


I don't remember any other "future" dreams of mine, but I have regulary those moments that it's like I've encountered or seen that event before... then I'm really like "deja vu?", since I seem to know that event. even if I've never seen, heard or encountered that thing or person, it's like I've encountered or seen it before. but I don't know from what or where.

for example, the game guitar hero world tour is recently released. one of the songs are "What I've Done" from Linkin Park and "Livin' On A Prayer" from Bon Jovi. now thing is, I've NEVER heard from the songs and the bands, and if I listen to the song I DO NOT know the song, and I've NEVER listened and heard of the song. but the songs still sound familiar. they're really familiar, it's really a deja vu and I've heard them from somewhere else before. but I'm 100% positive I've never heard them before. maybe I did heard them before, but forgot them. maybe I'm "fated" to hear them.
the weirdest thing is, when I listen to those songs, there come some vague scenes through my head... some vague story, like I've truly met those songs before and that I should hear them again.... that's the feeling I get...

maxx unlimited
November 9th, 2008, 08:03 AM
The same thing happens to me quite often, with the predicting stuff in your dreams, but I know there is one superior God since I am Christian.

BakingBluePotatoe
November 9th, 2008, 08:59 AM
last night I was just lying on my "bed" (my actual bed is covered with books and clothes and stuff, so I sleep on the floor 'till I can be arsed to clear the bed {Though SOMEBODY needs to get me a new shelf *HINT**HINT*}) since dad had the computer with him and nothing was on.... and then I had a vision where dad brought home burritos.

And finally, an Hour and a half later dad comes home. And guess what? He went shopping. And he bought Burritos O_O

except... I think in my vision they *might* have been Taco Bell burritos o_0

maybe I can *kinda* predict the future. Well, have future-predicting visions/dreams.

The Wave
November 9th, 2008, 09:28 AM
okay this is truly weird. from my previous post, I told ya guys how I somehow know "What I've Done" from Linkin Park, even though I don't know the band and song right? now, I was looking through the Pokémon Fan Fiction & Poetry for some nice stories. I saw the thread "Poke'mon: Rise of a Legend" (http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=157863), and Lukespade (the author) has chosen a theme song for his song. and what was that song? it was "What I've Done" from Linkin Park. now I'm really like "WTF?! so does fate trully exist?!" even worse, the story sounds familiar from an another story too...

now I'm trully wondering if fate trully exist... I just know Linkin Park for less than a week and Rise of a Legend just now, but I seem to know them from somewhere, and now.... I think I'm way too paranoid...

Gold warehouse
November 9th, 2008, 11:20 AM
I don't have dreams (anymore) so I can't say I have experienced anything like this; I do believe in most of it though; I think people can have genuine premonitions.

ShadowofTime01
November 9th, 2008, 03:07 PM
I starting to wonder about something. Ok now its based on my experience this question so just bear with me:
Is there a god or are we not alone in the universe. Now im not going to go into religion cause that is a no-no in my book of yes's and no's in thread topics. i just want to see if you guys agree or disagree with me. Ok the reason im curious botu this? I just realized in a strange way that the events and time of event is not controlled by us but the how it will be done or even done is controlled by us. How did i come up with this absurd theory? Ill give you guys some examples:
1. I dreamt about the principal of our school bringing snakes to the school them breaking out of the cages and one girl was trapped by them. So i saved her. Monday 2 days after i dreamt this the principal told us about her idea for bringing snakes to school. I acually convinced her not to and that day never happened
2. I dreamt about this girl i never met. I asked her out and she said no. So i go to a new school and what happens? She is in my class. Remembering how i asked her out i acually changed the lines to see if they would work but unfortunately they didn't.
3. I dreamt bout hanging out with my friends on a nice sunny morning in shorts and all happy. So then about a month later i fall down the stairs damage my knee and the same day happened but i was in cruches.

Freaky or what?! So my real question is this:
Destiny and fate is real apparently or aliens have us as lab rats seeing what our brain is truly capable of and im one of em without my knowledge.

I have a crazy theory to support this, it doesn't adhere to your theory that there is a god (i believe in an infinite truth of the universe, but that's my thing/ my god, it's too heavy to explain in a single reply), but it may explain how you're able to gleam into the future.

So a few years ago in calculus, we learned about a natural phenomenon called fractals. They're found in the formation of mountains, compositions of musics, etc. And what is unique about them is that they exist between the first and second dimension (if i remember this correctly). not a perfect square, but not one dimensional either. Anyways, I was thinking that humans are aware that time (the 4th dimension) is occurring, but we aren't able to move in time, we're just stuck in a forward flow. But i was thinking that maybe humans aren't confined to only existing in the 3rd dimension, maybe we can perceive at a level between the third and fourth dimension. Thus you're mind can experience things at different points in time, just not consciously, thus you have these odd dreams that predict the future, or I have memories of the future that I don't realize i have until after the event occurs (deja vu sucks when you know it actually happened before).

So that's my crazy theory, it would help to explain a few things, but again, it's just a crazy theory. ;)

Melody
November 10th, 2008, 02:24 AM
I definitely have dreams which predict the future. Though sometimes they are very vague and unclear, while other times they are as clear as day, as if I'm actually awake and experiencing it. The latter is much more uncommon however.

A recent example, was that I had a dream when I first got to know Zet. (Zetta Despair)
In this dream, I saw his name listed in that bold steel blue and I knew he would eventually be modded. Why I always seem to know who will be modded when I meat them here on PC is beyond me. But Everyone I get to know here at PC, I have a dream which basically tells me if I'll ever see them as a mod.
But that's not the only example I'd like to show...

Another example was a few nights ago, It was a vague dream in which I saw my place of work closed as I drove away. This struck me as odd because I don't usually work until closing time. I'm usually gone at least an hour or 2 before that happens. Sure enough, yesterday at work, we closed a whole 2 hours early because the two co-workers who are on the night shift with me both were in no shape to work. (one had a stroke and the other had the flu I hear)
On a Related note, I had this horrible feeling the day before yesterday that something bad was going to happen to someone around me at work. I couldn't shake it off either, it worried me gravely. Ah well.

I've always been sensitive to significant events in my life, I've always had the uncanny ability to sense when something is amiss, even when I'm not asleep and dreaming.

However, my dream world can become something truly terrifying, weird or creepy if I try to go to sleep and ignore my sense of the future. x3

It's definitely a blessing and a curse. But I don't wish I didn't have it. It's saved me from a lot of misfortune in the past. Though having such ability probably drains my luck dry, it still comes in handy. xD

The Wave
November 10th, 2008, 12:14 PM
I have a crazy theory to support this, it doesn't adhere to your theory that there is a god (i believe in an infinite truth of the universe, but that's my thing/ my god, it's too heavy to explain in a single reply), but it may explain how you're able to gleam into the future.

So a few years ago in calculus, we learned about a natural phenomenon called fractals. They're found in the formation of mountains, compositions of musics, etc. And what is unique about them is that they exist between the first and second dimension (if i remember this correctly). not a perfect square, but not one dimensional either. Anyways, I was thinking that humans are aware that time (the 4th dimension) is occurring, but we aren't able to move in time, we're just stuck in a forward flow. But i was thinking that maybe humans aren't confined to only existing in the 3rd dimension, maybe we can perceive at a level between the third and fourth dimension. Thus you're mind can experience things at different points in time, just not consciously, thus you have these odd dreams that predict the future, or I have memories of the future that I don't realize i have until after the event occurs (deja vu sucks when you know it actually happened before).

So that's my crazy theory, it would help to explain a few things, but again, it's just a crazy theory. ;)

uhh, can you explain those dimensions to me? till now, it sounds possible, but I don't know anything about those dimension (I've only heard of it), so I can't judge. so do you mind if you explain those dimension thing to me?

ShadowofTime01
November 11th, 2008, 03:00 AM
uhh, can you explain those dimensions to me? till now, it sounds possible, but I don't know anything about those dimension (I've only heard of it), so I can't judge. so do you mind if you explain those dimension thing to me?

Ok, you'll have to think about this spatialy. Phsyically, we can function in the 3rd dimension. We have the ability to move forward and backwards, left and right, and up and down. In the 4th dimension time is added to the equation, if we fully functioned in the 4th dimension, we would be able to flow forward and backwards through time freely, but this is not the case as we only progress linearly through time. What i was saying is that some people (or maybe all people) may exist inbetween our physical dimensions where we can only move in 3 directions and the 4th dimension in which we would be able to move in the 3 dimensions we have already with the addition of moving through time. Existing somewhere inbetween would grant us the ability to "gleam" or forsee the future, at least in a subconcious manner.

If you're confused, there's a video here (http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php) that can help explain spatial dimensions to you. It might be a little over your head, but if you open your mind to it you can understand it. If you value logic over fantasy...

The Wave
November 11th, 2008, 09:39 AM
Ok, you'll have to think about this spatialy. Phsyically, we can function in the 3rd dimension. We have the ability to move forward and backwards, left and right, and up and down. In the 4th dimension time is added to the equation, if we fully functioned in the 4th dimension, we would be able to flow forward and backwards through time freely, but this is not the case as we only progress linearly through time. What i was saying is that some people (or maybe all people) may exist inbetween our physical dimensions where we can only move in 3 directions and the 4th dimension in which we would be able to move in the 3 dimensions we have already with the addition of moving through time. Existing somewhere inbetween would grant us the ability to "gleam" or forsee the future, at least in a subconcious manner.

If you're confused, there's a video here (http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php) that can help explain spatial dimensions to you. It might be a little over your head, but if you open your mind to it you can understand it. If you value logic over fantasy...


thanks, I've learned a lot from that. I barelly knew anything about dimensions, but now I know a lot more of it.

call me crazy, but I think that you're speaking the truth. as far as I understand of you and the vid, the 3 dimension is what we all know; length, width and depth, and the fourth dimension has time. so if I understood it right, there's no time in the third dimension. but if there's no time in the third dimension, how come that we go forward with the time? think of it, we go forward in time, so tecnicall, it is time. thus a part of the fourth dimension.
so if I got this right, we actually live in between the third and fourth dimension (we only go forward in time). so we can't physical go through time, but maybe our mind and anything that isn't physical can. and that might be memorized in our brains as memories, and that might cause those visions and "future" dreams.

so, did I got it right, and is this what you actually mean? it's a crazy theory, yes, but if you think about it, it's very possible that it's true.

ShadowofTime01
November 11th, 2008, 03:09 PM
thanks, I've learned a lot from that. I barelly knew anything about dimensions, but now I know a lot more of it.

call me crazy, but I think that you're speaking the truth. as far as I understand of you and the vid, the 3 dimension is what we all know; length, width and depth, and the fourth dimension has time. so if I understood it right, there's no time in the third dimension. but if there's no time in the third dimension, how come that we go forward with the time? think of it, we go forward in time, so tecnicall, it is time. thus a part of the fourth dimension.
so if I got this right, we actually live in between the third and fourth dimension (we only go forward in time). so we can't physical go through time, but maybe our mind and anything that isn't physical can. and that might be memorized in our brains as memories, and that might cause those visions and "future" dreams.

so, did I got it right, and is this what you actually mean? it's a crazy theory, yes, but if you think about it, it's very possible that it's true.

Sort of... I mean you got the gist of it, but there's a few things I'd like to clarify. In the third dimension, time still exists, but you're not able to flow through it. Technically we live in 4 dimension because we experience the forward movement of time. What i was saying is that we have the ability to move in 3 dimensions because we have no control over how we move in time. But I think that our mind is able to some how able to exist somewhere in between the 3rd and the 4th dimension, allowing us to see the future at times, we are just not conscious of it. If our minds existed at the say 3.5 dimension, it would have the ability to travel somewhat within the 4th dimension (in essence allowing it to travel through time) it just would not be able to have full control over where in time it was going.

So again, you got the gist of it, i just want to clarify your interpretations of spatial dimensions.

The Wave
November 12th, 2008, 06:07 AM
Sort of... I mean you got the gist of it, but there's a few things I'd like to clarify. In the third dimension, time still exists, but you're not able to flow through it. Technically we live in 4 dimension because we experience the forward movement of time. What i was saying is that we have the ability to move in 3 dimensions because we have no control over how we move in time. But I think that our mind is able to some how able to exist somewhere in between the 3rd and the 4th dimension, allowing us to see the future at times, we are just not conscious of it. If our minds existed at the say 3.5 dimension, it would have the ability to travel somewhat within the 4th dimension (in essence allowing it to travel through time) it just would not be able to have full control over where in time it was going.

So again, you got the gist of it, i just want to clarify your interpretations of spatial dimensions.

ah, now I see what you're actually saying. well, it still sounds possible. however, from the video you posted, the fifth dimension is bugging me.

according to the vid, it feels like we follow a a straith line in our live, but there are different ways influenced by our choices or actions which leads us through a certain path. thus someone can have a liveline that leads him being poor, but an another liveline may lead him to be rich. depending on his choices and actions in his live, he can be either poor or rich.

now what's bugging me from this, we don't actually have one "lifeline", but multiply with different outcomes. now if your theory is really true, then how come that the visions or "future dreams" we get of our future always will happens? I mean, if you're future truly isn't fixed (that you have one choice and one future), then why don't we get visions or future dreams of our other choices or "lifelines"? but I guess I misunderstand something again...

ShadowofTime01
November 12th, 2008, 07:11 PM
ah, now I see what you're actually saying. well, it still sounds possible. however, from the video you posted, the fifth dimension is bugging me.

according to the vid, it feels like we follow a a straith line in our live, but there are different ways influenced by our choices or actions which leads us through a certain path. thus someone can have a liveline that leads him being poor, but an another liveline may lead him to be rich. depending on his choices and actions in his live, he can be either poor or rich.

now what's bugging me from this, we don't actually have one "lifeline", but multiply with different outcomes. now if your theory is really true, then how come that the visions or "future dreams" we get of our future always will happens? I mean, if you're future truly isn't fixed (that you have one choice and one future), then why don't we get visions or future dreams of our other choices or "lifelines"? but I guess I misunderstand something again...

Because my theory states that mentally we can perceive between the 3rd and the 4th dimensions. And between those dimensions, you have everything form the 3rd dimension and you get partial mobility in the 4th. The 5th dimension is outside of that.

And the 5th dimension (and higher) correlates with the theory that there is an infinite myriad of alternate universes/timelines. based on actions and reactions. Some people believe that we are quantumly "tied" to these other choices (which would be 5th-7th dimensions?), and the others think that alternate timelines are completely seperate from each other. It all really depends on your focal point and what dimension you are functioning at. Either way, it has nothing to do with my theory which states that our minds can percieve between the 3rd and 4th dimensional plane.

So to answer your question, our minds can only bounce around the 4th dimension, and not in a way conscious to us. Thus it exists at like the 3.45 dimension (or smaller) to put a quantity with it.

The Wave
November 13th, 2008, 06:42 AM
Because my theory states that mentally we can perceive between the 3rd and the 4th dimensions. And between those dimensions, you have everything form the 3rd dimension and you get partial mobility in the 4th. The 5th dimension is outside of that.

And the 5th dimension (and higher) correlates with the theory that there is an infinite myriad of alternate universes/timelines. based on actions and reactions. Some people believe that we are quantumly "tied" to these other choices (which would be 5th-7th dimensions?), and the others think that alternate timelines are completely seperate from each other. It all really depends on your focal point and what dimension you are functioning at. Either way, it has nothing to do with my theory which states that our minds can percieve between the 3rd and 4th dimensional plane.

So to answer your question, our minds can only bounce around the 4th dimension, and not in a way conscious to us. Thus it exists at like the 3.45 dimension (or smaller) to put a quantity with it.

ah I see, that clears things up. haven't people actually tried or at least researched how to fully connect with the 4th dimension? I would suspect that they would, since they can confirm the past and even see the future with it...

Mitchman
November 14th, 2008, 07:42 AM
0_0 wow the whole dimensions thing flipped me out. And the girl besides my dream i never saw her until i went to that same school so yeah anyways...
About the dimensions. That could be possible but what if we are really able to flow through time. Like someone among us is truly able to do that. So many people go missing like that no remains nothing. I know i know that could be becuase the people where preffesionals but it could be that out of 6 billion people lets say 20-30 do have the power to do so. But really now i think that ore life is set in stone from our birth. Then we follow the path set for us and alter it when we can if we have the power to do so aka what i have done and said. So yeah when you think about it out of 6 billion people say about 100 have true or almost true power over time. Freaky when you think about it no?

BakingBluePotatoe
November 14th, 2008, 08:30 AM
I guess sometimes when you "see yourself in such a position" it could be one of many of those alternate realities you view?

I used to always see myself running a cafe, but... lately I see myself trading stocks as a source of income =/

Though, I think at one point I saw myself doing the whole trading stocks thing until I had enough money that I could safely open up that cafe. =/

strange. Am I viewing possible realities? (from what I gather, while several different things end up happening in different realities, we only "remember"/"experience" one of them?

Mitchman
November 14th, 2008, 09:53 AM
Dunno. Mabye its called imaging yourself doing all that......

BakingBluePotatoe
November 14th, 2008, 10:36 AM
Dunno. Mabye its called imaging yourself doing all that......

that's what it seems... but, what I ment was how sometimes you have those future visions, right? (previously explained)

I ment, perhaps when you "imagine" your future you could really be having visions of the possible futures? (as in Dimension 5 with the tree of your future {have you not seen the video?}) the "alternate realities" are just different versions of the same timeframe.

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Let's take Archie's Sonic Comics for example. More specifically the "25 Years into the future" stories.

In the first version of that, Sonic is the king with Sally and they have two kids and the world is peaceful and stuff. We'll call this "Reality A".
In the second version, Shadow is the king and he rules with an Iron Fist. and Knuckles is a severvant for him. We'll call this "Reality B"

Reality A is the path that was triggered by Sally marrying Sonic so the world is peaceful... Reality B's path would be triggered if Sally marrys Shadow instead.

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I think I'll us a more known example if you don't get that.

Remember that Sonic NextGen/06 Game? The one with Iblis and crap?
And You know that big Dimension/Time plothole with Blaze?

My theory is that the Blaze portrayed in the Rush games is from the "Good Future", where Iblis doesn't exist. (I guess this is where the Portable Games takes place. The Reality where Iblis is non-Existant.) Marine and the Coconut Crew exist here.

And then the Blaze we saw in NextGen/06 is the one in the "Bad Future", the Reality that has Iblis. (This is the world where the Console games seem to take place, by my assumption.) Silver is also from this reality.


In other words, different games take place in different realities.

The World -----------> The world Without Iblis->Blaze in Rush, Marine, and the Coconut Crew
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The world with Iblis-> Blaze in NextGen/06

as for Silver:

The World -----------> The world Without Iblis->Blaze in Rush, Marine, and the Coconut Crew-Silver is nonexistant.
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The world with Iblis -> Blaze & Silver know each other, Rush never happened.-->The Events of Next Gen Occur.
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The Rivals Series.



Why did I choose the Sonic Games as an example? Best thing I can think of.

Mitchman
November 14th, 2008, 11:37 AM
Seriously why did you? I never played sonic nor shall i. And i dont watch vids as i have no speaker. So yeah explain the vid and mabye ill understand.

Nuke
November 14th, 2008, 11:43 AM
Everyone has Deja Vu from time to time.

Though they were more in-depth to what I get.

ShadowDeeps
November 14th, 2008, 12:16 PM
I don't adhere to the notion of "sane" or "sense", if only because everyone's idea of that is different and consensus doesn't alter that through my opinion.

As for dreams being "real or not real" or "actually happening" (amongst other worldly notions, which I feel "sane" falls into as well), I feel that's a notion people rely upon too often (with no offense intended). I rather feel that dreams, rather than being foreboding (as they can be), peer into a more intangible and indescribable nature in life that surmounts notions like "good or bad" and "real and not real" by more than just a length, but that's just me and the train of thought I'm of.

ShadowofTime01
November 14th, 2008, 10:38 PM
ah I see, that clears things up. haven't people actually tried or at least researched how to fully connect with the 4th dimension? I would suspect that they would, since they can confirm the past and even see the future with it...

Transcending our own dimension has been tried by many people (hell maybe even Jesus figured it out). But it's not really a feasible thing to try and study, i mean you can study it, but there aren't really ways to cause yourself to perceive beyond our own dimension. I do believe that tis the next step in human evolution though.

0_0 wow the whole dimensions thing flipped me out. And the girl besides my dream i never saw her until i went to that same school so yeah anyways...
About the dimensions. That could be possible but what if we are really able to flow through time. Like someone among us is truly able to do that. So many people go missing like that no remains nothing. I know i know that could be becuase the people where preffesionals but it could be that out of 6 billion people lets say 20-30 do have the power to do so. But really now i think that ore life is set in stone from our birth. Then we follow the path set for us and alter it when we can if we have the power to do so aka what i have done and said. So yeah when you think about it out of 6 billion people say about 100 have true or almost true power over time. Freaky when you think about it no?

I could barely understand that... but from that all I can really say is causality is a bummer ain't it? Also, people who have the power to control time... that's a far out idea. I mean even if a select group of people could flow freely through time, physically they'd still exist among us because our bodies exist in only three dimensions, they wouldn't altogether disappear. Like i said you have to be careful when talking about spatial dimensions because if you change the focal point of the dimension, you end up not getting the correct results (i.e. saying 100 people can free travel through time at a whim). No offense, this is a really hard subject to master and I kind of just threw it at all you guys.

that's what it seems... but, what I ment was how sometimes you have those future visions, right? (previously explained)

I ment, perhaps when you "imagine" your future you could really be having visions of the possible futures? (as in Dimension 5 with the tree of your future {have you not seen the video?}) the "alternate realities" are just different versions of the same timeframe.

Why did I choose the Sonic Games as an example? Best thing I can think of.

Because the series as of late has multiple storylines and endings which is a good example of 5 dimensional existence, at least for us to get the concept with.

But imagining yourself in different realities, although plausible that somewhere so far off the tree from where we currently are quantumly you may exist like that, you're not actually seeing it. As I was saying before our mind (if my theory is correct of course) can only do so much at 3.45 dimensions, it is able to merely bounce around at random points in time on our own timeline (the one we actually exist on). because there is an infinite amount of alternate realities that are concurrently flowing through time as we are. To be able to jump into another timeline with you mind would mean it would have to be operating at or around the 5 dimension, and since we don't have the ability to control time and don't even have the ability to see into the future on command, it is highly unlikely that we can actually see an alternate timeline when we imagine a different future for ourselves because not only would it require full movement in the 4th dimension it would mean some movement in the 5th as well.

Honestly, I would find that to be creepy anyways, I don't want a past me looking at me right now as I type this out... I like my privacy.

The Wave
November 15th, 2008, 07:24 AM
Transcending our own dimension has been tried by many people (hell maybe even Jesus figured it out). But it's not really a feasible thing to try and study, i mean you can study it, but there aren't really ways to cause yourself to perceive beyond our own dimension. I do believe that tis the next step in human evolution though.

Honestly, I would find that to be creepy anyways, I don't want a past me looking at me right now as I type this out... I like my privacy.

if that's really the next step of the human revolution, then I truly hope that it happens after I died. I don't wanna know what the human are going to do with the full control of the 4th dimension...

and imagine a FUTURE you looking or coming at you. that really would be creepy... though the future you could be smart not doing that.

ShadowofTime01
November 15th, 2008, 01:24 PM
if that's really the next step of the human revolution, then I truly hope that it happens after I died. I don't wanna know what the human are going to do with the full control of the 4th dimension...

and imagine a FUTURE you looking or coming at you. that really would be creepy... though the future you could be smart not doing that.

Well it's going to take a long time for us to reach that, we are still a lifeform in its infancy. I believe that humanity will first have to enlighten itself before it's capable of transcending our current reality. I agree that at this point in time, humans aren't ready for the ability to flow through time. But with that next step in our evolutionary process, it should take us out side of this three-dimensional space, so we don't bother those who aren't as evolved.

The Wave
November 16th, 2008, 03:32 AM
Well it's going to take a long time for us to reach that, we are still a lifeform in its infancy. I believe that humanity will first have to enlighten itself before it's capable of transcending our current reality. I agree that at this point in time, humans aren't ready for the ability to flow through time. But with that next step in our evolutionary process, it should take us out side of this three-dimensional space, so we don't bother those who aren't as evolved.

in general, yes, we won't bother the people of the third dimension. but there will be crazy people who will go there and try to create chaos. I dare to bet that there are people who do that. I mean, after WWI and WWII, how much excepted that there wouldn't be a war anymore? and look, there is still a war. so I still suspect that there will be a 4th dimensional war started by some crazy fools who couldn't think what they're doing. I just hope that they're smart enough to not go here, which I think they will, since they could chance the future with that and thus "delete" themself from the main timeline.

and even then, who says there isn't someone from the future and 4th dimension among us? it sounds weird and impossible, but if you're smart enough you can go and life in the past without anyone knowing you're from the 4th dimension and future.

BakingBluePotatoe
November 16th, 2008, 12:32 PM
in general, yes, we won't bother the people of the third dimension. but there will be crazy people who will go there and try to create chaos. I dare to bet that there are people who do that. I mean, after WWI and WWII, how much excepted that there wouldn't be a war anymore? and look, there is still a war. so I still suspect that there will be a 4th dimensional war started by some crazy fools who couldn't think what they're doing. I just hope that they're smart enough to not go here, which I think they will, since they could chance the future with that and thus "delete" themself from the main timeline.

and even then, who says there isn't someone from the future and 4th dimension among us? it sounds weird and impossible, but if you're smart enough you can go and life in the past without anyone knowing you're from the 4th dimension and future.

IMO, There could even be some who even they themselves don't know it. I dunno...

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And did I mention that in Sonic NextGen & Sonic Rivals (Both) Silver, Blaze, and Eggman Nega are from the future?
Yet, in Rush (and Rush Adventure) Blaze, Marine, and Eggman Nega are from another Dimension entirely?

I would guess that NextGen and Rivals are from one version of time (along with Adventure, Heroes, and Shadow), and Silver, Blaze, and Eggman Nega are from the future of that timeline...
While the Advance and Rush games (and Battle) are another timeline, and Silver, Blaze, and Eggman Nega are from another dimension?

I dunno about Sonic games prior to Adventure, or about Chronicles...

ShadowofTime01
November 16th, 2008, 10:13 PM
in general, yes, we won't bother the people of the third dimension. but there will be crazy people who will go there and try to create chaos. I dare to bet that there are people who do that. I mean, after WWI and WWII, how much excepted that there wouldn't be a war anymore? and look, there is still a war. so I still suspect that there will be a 4th dimensional war started by some crazy fools who couldn't think what they're doing. I just hope that they're smart enough to not go here, which I think they will, since they could chance the future with that and thus "delete" themself from the main timeline.

and even then, who says there isn't someone from the future and 4th dimension among us? it sounds weird and impossible, but if you're smart enough you can go and life in the past without anyone knowing you're from the 4th dimension and future.

Again you're missing the point. We exist in 3 dimensions. It's impossible for us to transcend what we have currently in our physical form because it's weighted to this. If someone gains the ability to move in the 4th dimension, then they'd merely be able to travel along their own time line (because their own life is their focal point), but they would be trapped in the their predestined path, or else there would be a lot of causality issues associated with it. Now if or when humans evolve beyond this dimension, we would have to leave our physical bodies behind to truly have a mastering over the 4th dimension. Ascending to a higher would mean we exist out side of the one we currently are in.

BUT before we reach that evolution, i do believe we will find a way to physically travel through time (because it is theoretically possible) for the purpose of learning about our past or possibly to save our future. There is always the possibility of a temporal war, but that is mere science fiction for us at this moment.

Mitchman
November 16th, 2008, 11:42 PM
A temporal war? Oh god im confused. But yeah once we can start physcially travelling through time its going to be one hell of a stragne thing. Our teacher explained to us even how you cant go back you can only go fowards.

BakingBluePotatoe
November 17th, 2008, 02:23 AM
A temporal war? Oh god im confused. But yeah once we can start physcially travelling through time its going to be one hell of a stragne thing. Our teacher explained to us even how you cant go back you can only go fowards.

yeah, according to my dad, if you where to travel in a spacecraft at the speed of light and orbit the earth for even a few minutes, hundreds of years would pass on earth.

Although, so far, it's impossible to travel THAT fast.

ShadowofTime01
November 17th, 2008, 02:46 AM
That's why for us, time is relative. As you approach the speed of light, your mass increases, causing you to experience time different relative to the earth. If you move at a higher velocity, you age faster according to the Theory of Special Relativity. Also, it would be improbable to travel at the speed of light around the earth because unless you're constantly correcting your course to stay in orbit, you would break orbit quite easily (trust me I'm an aerospace engineer and i just learned about orbits recently). Usually the idea of traveling at light speed for time travel in the Special Relativity case is when you travel at close to light speed from one star to another.

There is also the idea formed by General Relativity that if you are in a larger gravity well then that of your intended target, you move faster "through time". Both of these aren't what we romanticize time travel to be, but more of a time dilation if you will. Because you aren't traveling faster through your own time, but you are relative to observers. Again, as I've said many times, it depends on your focal point.

Oh and a temporal war just means time war. But temporal is a better adjective.

If you actually want to travel through time, I would suggest trying to find a wormhole, which is a hypothetical warped space-time that could possibly exist according to general relativity. A transverable wormhole could potentially send you into the past of the future because at the point, space-time technically folds over onto each other. But it's highly theoretical and we don't have any current means detecting wormholes if they in fact do exist.

The Wave
November 17th, 2008, 07:58 AM
Again you're missing the point. We exist in 3 dimensions. It's impossible for us to transcend what we have currently in our physical form because it's weighted to this. If someone gains the ability to move in the 4th dimension, then they'd merely be able to travel along their own time line (because their own life is their focal point), but they would be trapped in the their predestined path, or else there would be a lot of causality issues associated with it. Now if or when humans evolve beyond this dimension, we would have to leave our physical bodies behind to truly have a mastering over the 4th dimension. Ascending to a higher would mean we exist out side of the one we currently are in.

BUT before we reach that evolution, i do believe we will find a way to physically travel through time (because it is theoretically possible) for the purpose of learning about our past or possibly to save our future. There is always the possibility of a temporal war, but that is mere science fiction for us at this moment.

whoops forgot that point. my fault. ^^'

and yeah, a time war is sciene fiction for us now, but it the revolution is really going to happen in the future, I'm still sure that there are some crazy fools who will cause a war.

man... this whole dimension thing hurts my head, it's really complicated. and anyone noticed how this thread changed from an "insane" topic into a dimension topic?

ShadowofTime01
November 17th, 2008, 11:50 PM
Yeah the dimensions thing really does hurt the brain...

Well I thought the topic was do we consider linksmash sane or insane because of his "visions" and I tried to apply a logical theory to what he was saying, and then i had to clarify a bit about the spatial stuff... I think we just accepted his visions as sane based on my theory and went from there... haha or are we really that far off topic?

The Wave
November 18th, 2008, 07:47 AM
I'm sure LinkSmash considers insanse linksmash, but I (and most of us) think it's insane because of the visions. and I think a lot of us accept your theory, since it sounds very possible. but yeah, we are actually technical that far off topic, but seeing how the moderaters haven't done anything, I think they don't mind and that this will apply as on topic.:D

Melody
November 18th, 2008, 08:17 AM
You're not insane. It's possible to predict the future with your dreams. It happens all the time.

I happen to believe that Destiny and Fate are two different things.
Your Destiny is something you can change and control. It consists of the factors that are ultimately in you control.
Your Fate is all the things you cannot change, things that you wont change or things that cannot be changed in time to prevent the event from occurring.

By controlling your Destiny, you ultimately decide your Fate.

Your Destiny is where you want to be. Your Fate is what has already happened, or will happen soon and cannot be changed

The line between Destiny and Fate is a thin one and I'm sure others will have differing opinions.

But to sum it all up, I do not think a person's fate is preordained. Only you can preordain your own fate by your own actions.

The Wave
November 18th, 2008, 08:38 AM
thanks pachy, that's the word I searched for a while. we don't have a fate, but only a destiny. and I agree with your statement pachy.

Mitchman
November 18th, 2008, 10:29 AM
Oh might squirrel i head your words! But yeah now you totally explained it for me and for that im grateful.