Addressing the new Hacks Showcase changes

[Anthony La]

Addressing the new Hacks Showcase changes
You may have questions regarding the changes to the Hacks Showcase forums as of late. This thread aims to address these questions, and any other questions you may have about the structural change to the Hacks Showcase.

[css-span="color: #4f81bd; font-weight: bold; font-size: 11pt;"]Okay, first question. Why?[/css-span]
Over the past few years, the ROM hacking forums have been getting progressively larger. And because of that, we've been getting a lot of hacks. Most hacks submitted to Hacks Showcase have the minimum amount of screenshots, not many changes (just enough to fit in), or are too generic. These may appeal to some people, but not to the crowd of people who browse the forum. There's way too much stuff that's not "good enough", and that's not going to get the attention of people who want decent hacks now, is it?

[css-span="color: #4f81bd; font-weight: bold; font-size: 11pt;"]How does a thread qualify for this forum?[/css-span]
New submissions to the Hacks Showcase must show a significant amount of development. The requirements being discussed at the moment (which temporarily apply now) are:
Minimum 10 screenshots.
Show a significant amount of development (subject to the discretion of the moderator).
Have a playable game.
New changes are being discussed and a rules thread will be put in place soon. The aim of the requirements is to allow hacks of good quality to run through the forum.

[css-span="color: #4f81bd; font-weight: bold; font-size: 11pt;"]Where does my hack start?[/css-span]
All new hacks, unless they meet strict requirements of this forum (see example above), will have to start out in the Progressing Hacks forum, which has the same rules as the original Hacks Showcase. You may request a hack in the Progressing Hacks forum to be moved in the Hacks Showcase if you believe it qualifies.

[css-span="color: #4f81bd; font-weight: bold; font-size: 11pt;"]Doesn't the new "Progressing Hacks" forum make Scrapbox redundant?[/css-span]
No. The Scrapbox will have stricter rules added to it to build around that it is an "ideas" forum, as it was intended to be at the start.

If you have any further questions, here is the place to ask. Stop pestering Britney Spears.

[Disturbed]

Heh, you just had to mention that last sentence, didn't you...
fine -_-'

Well, I can't say I support the idea, but I'll adjust to it.

[Anthony La]

Heh, you just had to mention that last sentence, didn't you...
fine -_-'

Well, I can't say I support the idea, but I'll adjust to it.
He didn't name any names, so you really didn't need to make that self-admission.

Curiously, what's to get used to?

[Disturbed]

He didn't name any names, so you really didn't need to make that self-admission.

Curiously, what's to get used to?
Everything.. it's a new feel to this forum now, seeing my favorite section be changed like this -_-

And I intended that self-admission ;D

[Virtual Chatot]

I'm glad the staff has finally decided to impose stricter rules on the Hacking section.
The majority of the projects to hit the scrapbox in the past have never been seen through because the people were to inexperienced and didn't know what they were getting themselves into.
Thanks for finally doing something this mess, hopefully this will clean up the hacking section.

Be careful Haruki, you might get Luke mad for speaking of Brittany Spears XD;

[GKS]

So we need a beta to get it moved from the Progressing Hacks section to the Hack Showcase?

[Virtual Chatot]

So we need a beta to get it moved from the Progressing Hacks section to the Hack Showcase?

That's apparently the case, and the scrapbox will be the starting point from which the hack could be developed.

[Britney Spears]

He was talking about me. @_@

It's just a better way of organizing the hacks as a whole. The hacks are still there. It's not like one forum is for hacks that are "better." It's just a way of separating the more developed hacks from the ones that are still in the planning/beginning stages of innovation.

[+Sneasel™]

Well, I don't like this very much -_-
Its really just an annoyance, now there are THREE threads to get spammed by hack threads...
The best alternative I would think is to just kill the scrapbox and the progressing hacks sections, and disapprove anything that doesn't belong in the hackshowcase. Less spam, less of a hassle (cause now there is another thread to moderate, i'm sure you guys will really like doing that.)

[linkandzelda]

i have a question. how come my hack Liquid Crystal is in the hacks showcase when it dosnt have a beta released? i thought that was one of the requirements for it to be there...

link

[Disturbed]

Well, I don't like this very much -_-
Its really just an annoyance, now there are THREE threads to get spammed by hack threads...
The best alternative I would think is to just kill the scrapbox and the progressing hacks sections, and disapprove anything that doesn't belong in the hackshowcase. Less spam, less of a hassle (cause now there is another thread to moderate, i'm sure you guys will really like doing that.)
That is a brilliant idea, I actually support that all the way.


Please, consider this idea!

[Anthony La]

i have a question. how come my hack Liquid Crystal is in the hacks showcase when it dosnt have a beta released? i thought that was one of the requirements for it to be there...

link

Possibly because it seems to have a lot of development planning shown.

The best alternative I would think is to just kill the scrapbox and the progressing hacks sections, and disapprove anything that doesn't belong in the hackshowcase. Less spam, less of a hassle (cause now there is another thread to moderate, i'm sure you guys will really like doing that.)

No, that's no the idea of the reorganisation at all. I think you've just verified what most of the member base thinks - which is false thinking.

[Virtual Chatot]

Its really just an annoyance, now there are THREE threads to get spammed by hack threads...

Well, now its technically one section to get spammed by hack threads, but since the majority of those never even last a week anyways, it won't matter.
Which is why a deletion of hack projects in the scrapbox every two weeks or so is a good idea.

[Jesse[TB Pro]]

No, that's no the idea of the reorganisation at all.
Oh really? I do think it would be a good idea. With three sections now, there will be endless spam.

[linkandzelda]

ah. ok well thats true (almost 2 years development counts right? XD) but why is a hack that has a beta still in the progressive hacks showcase? its Pokemon - Top Secret btw. just wondering

link

[Virtual Chatot]

Oh really? I do think it would be a good idea. With three sections now, there will be endless spam.
Like I said in the post above yours, there will only be one section that will get the spam :|

[megiddo]

It's the mod's decision. It has to have enough dev ito.

[Jesse[TB Pro]]

Like I said in the post above yours, there will only be one section that will get the spam :|
(I didn't see that :O) Not true. Now the n00bs see that they have three areas to spam.

[Anthony La]

Oh really? I do think it would be a good idea. With three sections now, there will be endless spam.
That analogy makes it clear that you don't understand the purpose of the current reorganisation. Go read the first post again.

[Jesse[TB Pro]]

That analogy makes it clear that you don't understand the purpose of the current reorganisation. Go read the first post again.
No it just means I know what's going to happen.

[GKS]

That's apparently the case, and the scrapbox will be the starting point from which the hack could be developed.

My hack was moved from the hack showcase to the Progressing Hacks section. So I got to work on it more.

I think this is a good move, the hack showcase was getting very big, now only the best might get there.

[Virtual Chatot]

No it just means I know what's going to happen.So you haven't realized that the other two sections require a moderator's approval to make a thread in? So then it would be impossible for someone to make a spam thread, eh?

[Anthony La]

Now the n00bs see that they have three areas to spam.
Regardless, there's no way to stop the "SPAM" that's happening. The changes to the structure aren't aimed at stopping the SPAM to begin with - in fact, the changes have nothing to do with addressing the SPAM.

[Naoi]

A playable game to get in! :O
Sounds pretty fair, but I better work hard to get my hack in here. o.o;

Nice rules though~

[Shadows]

I hated it that there were hacks that haven't progressed much were in the Showcase so easily.
I'm happy that there is something in the middle now!

[Ripper]

Is there any way we could have some title specifics? What I mean is that each Hack in the Showcase should be named...

Pokemon DNA <- In that style, give or take an acute on the 'e'
Hack of Pokemon FireRed <- The subtitle which isn't in bold.

It means that Hacks Showcase thread looks far neater and more professional. It's frustrating to see...
[B.] LANCE'S QUEST [/B.] popping up when it would be far better with higher standards invoked.

[Madridista]

Maybe just make Scrapbox and Progressing Hacks sub-forums for Hack Showcase?

[Luck]

Unlike some people, i actually like the changes, and welcome them.
Even the hacks showcase was becoming a bit like the scrapbox, because there were more and more threads just barely making it in.
with the hacks showcase being upgraded, we can finally see the games with a lot of potential.
but, may I ask what the exceptions are in the hacks showcase?
does theHave a playable game. apply if a person refuses to send a beta for reasons, but has a lot of potential?
and if a person is working on a hack for a certain amount of time, can it also be accepted?

[Naoi]

Maybe just make Scrapbox and Progressing Hacks sub-forums for Hack Showcase?
Actually, that's not a bad idea. :)
Except, leave the scrapbox as is, because those are hacks that don't get enough attention and aren't always progressing.
As for the sub-forum under the hacks showcase for the progressing hacks, that;s a good idea. ;)

[.Seth]

I think the new changes are pretty cool. Although, kind of sudden. :/
Meh.

@.Pichu-kun: Even though I'm not very familiar with vBulletin, I don't think you can add a sub-forum to a sub-forum. Not really sure, but, you know.

[Kaizer-X]

Thanks man, it makes sense now lol. Interestin changes too and it seemed fair to those hacks that have a lot of work put into them.

[Ninja Caterpie]

It's a good change. The Hacks Showcase is now a proper "Showcase". Oh man, I just realised how similar to Competitive battling tiers they are.
Showcase hacks are like OU Pokemon, special and all.
Scrapbox hacks are like UU's, not so good.
Progressing ones are like BL's, stuck right in the middle.
xD

[Anthony La]

Scrapbox hacks are like UU's, not so good.
Correction. Scrapbox will have little do with with actual hacks very soon. Rules will be made to convert it into purely an ideas forum.

[Ninja Caterpie]

Oh. Then we won't need the Quick Storyline thread anymore.

Wait, then we don't have really, really, bad quality hacks anymore?

[Ripper]

Quick Storyline was more for actual games I thought...

[Thrace]

Oh. Then we won't need the Quick Storyline thread anymore.

Wait, then we don't have really, really, bad quality hacks anymore?
Hopefully not, we won't be approving just any hack from now on. It'll have to be up to a certain standard before we approve the thread.

[H2O Turquoise]

So is there going to be an Ideas thread or not?

[Jesse[TB Pro]]

Alright, guys. I would like to say that the more I read and hear about the rules, the better they sound. I guess I was just mad to begin, because this is what I've known for ages as the Hacking section, and changing it was kinda a big deal. Sorry for any trouble I caused.

[destinedjagold]

The changes are very nice. :)
although at first I thought that the Progressing Hacks is the place where the awesome hacks are located when I saw my poor hack in the Showcase. :P

Guess I was a bit confused when I first saw the changes yesterday~

Anyways, so the scrapbox will now have strict rules from then on, huh?
that is really what it needs so we can prevent PC from getting 'full' of unnecessary threads. :P

anyways, good luck with the changes and new rules and all. ;)

[linkandzelda]

well i have to say that i dont like the changes for one reason. its making people leave PC and i dont want that. especially when there good hackers :)

link

[Synyster_Lili]

Read my Siggy, i think it explains everything.

[Anthony La]

Read my Siggy, i think it explains everything.
Real mature, actually.

…get real. I have never seen such a ridiculous form of uproar in this manner to begin with over a semantic change. Is there some refusal to be in "progressing hacks" or something? That's a lame reason to begin with.

Progressing Hacks is the original showcase. Hacks Showcase is for what seems to be hacks with a lot of effort put in them. If you want to move up, make sure your hack isn't the kind that disappears after a few months of you announcing it. Spend the so-called "quality time" you'd generally spend with a hack and it will make it into Hacks Showcase. Prove you've spent this time refining it, even.

Your signature also brings up a point that's still moot. Hack threads have never been approved with "two screenshots" - the process has required four for a matter of years now. These "minimum" requirements allow mediocre hacks to be displayed in the Hacks Showcase. And really? They're bare minimum and they don't show so much effort besides reusing tile set after tile set. And then they eventually disappear.

The changes attempt to address for change. There's not much real changes restricting anyone to begin with.

So I'll address some of your signature's points just because they prove the points of the moderators who decided on the change.

I am leaving Pokecommunity because of it's new showcase rule. So basically I have to work just as hard to get a hack like Steel Version into progressing hacks...and even harder to get it showcase.
First, when I said you were "mature" out of pure sarcasm, I would've liked to point out how pathetic you sound.

The "work" required to get your hack into the showcase isn't a very hard minimum at all. The requirements prove you actually spend time working on your hack. You didn't really need to work too much to get your hack into Progressing Hacks to begin with, so you're really over-emphasizing its requirement.

as if to say certain hacks aren't good enough and that us hackers don't try enough. I put a lotta effort into my hacks..who else you know makes their own graphics for their own hacks..and doesn't use any other peoples?
Do you know the reality? Sorry, but unless you've moderated here, you won't ever know what we mean about certain hackers not trying enough. Now, let's see your "effort" - you seem to have worked a bit for Clear Diamond, yet unfortunately you haven't actually ventured far enough into development. And the thread is locked. What's that indicate? That your hack is going to drop off the map sometime soon. Hacks Showcase is full of these ticking time bombs. The changes are meant to address that.

I remember in seeing Green Charizards DP partial graphics makeover hack, thinking it was amazing, original concept. Nowadays if a hack like that was posted, moderators would send it to progressing hacks or not even approve it.
You're really proving you know nothing about these changes. Any hack starts in Progressing Hacks until it's proven that a significant deal of development is made for it. And if you've made a great deal of effort already, let's see it through a submission straight to Hacks Showcase and see if it qualifies. Been working on a hack without rest for six months? Let's see the fruits of that effort shine in Hacks Showcase.

But if this place ain't broken, DON'T fix it.
Since you're not a moderator, don't expect that you know what's broken and what's not.

[Ripper]

I don't get how someone can leave because of this... It doesn't seem logical at all, the only differences between the old system and the news system is that PC is now organised and we can see what hacks are playable and what hacks aren't. Only idiots who can't comprehend the new system will leave, which is good, as PC is only being made worse by the new ammount of idiotic noobs joining who don't know squat.

[Jesse[TB Pro]]

Really, Haruki. I have to agree with Zeikku. I'm not leaving PC, but we are all entitled to our opinions, and you seem to not care. Like Zeikku stated, "If it aint broken don't fix it". As members of this forum, we can see enough. I'm not saying the old way was flawless, it needed SOMETHING done to alter the course it was taking, but not like this. This is a step in the wrong direction, if you ask me. You opinion on Zeikku's hack not progressing, you don't know the half of it. If you would read his posts he made a great deal of progress, just to be wiped out by bugs, and re-formatting. Don't just assume things without looking deeper. I have lost my respect for this board, and most of the staff. There are a select few that still deserve my respect(Thrace, Blazichu).

[+Sneasel™]

I don't get how someone can leave because of this... It doesn't seem logical at all, the only differences between the old system and the news system is that PC is now organised and we can see what hacks are playable and what hacks aren't. Only idiots who can't comprehend the new system will leave, which is good, as PC is only being made worse by the new ammount of idiotic noobs joining who don't know squat.
...that wasn't very nice...
But yea, I guess I can see how the progressing hacks section will help...
Oh, and you know, it was easy to tell which hacks are playable and which hacks are not from before, all you had to do was see if the thread had an attachment before you clicked it (it's a paperclip).
But let's see how this ends up working out...

[Anthony La]

Did I actually directly stare that his hack isn't progressing? That would not be deliberate. Now, I've stated this before; if you think your hack qualifies for the Hacks Showcase, ask for it to be moved.

The decision to reorganise the forums was a joint decision by all three moderators of the forum. And I debate what most of you guys say not because I'd rather not hear your opinions, but rather because I don't think you guys see where this is coming from.

This is a step in the wrong direction, if you ask me.
So, if you want to test the system like this, then it's only fair that you give detailed reasoning.

I have lost my respect for this board, and most of the staff. There are a select few that still deserve my respect(Thrace, Blazichu).
You also made a point about your opinions being ignored. With comments like that, do you really deserve that kind of respect?

[+Sneasel™]

Well, I have a suggestion now, it may not be needed but...
Maybe you should have another mod for the ROM hacking section.
Because now there are gonna be more hacks that are gonna need approval and there is a whole other section now...It'll help stay organized more, and it'll make work easier on you guys.
I know that a new mod was just added (Thrace) but that doesn't mean that another one so soon shouldn't be a skipped idea...

[Anthony La]

Well, I have a suggestion now, it may not be needed but...
Maybe you should have another mod for the ROM hacking section.
Because now there are gonna be more hacks that are gonna need approval and there is a whole other section now...It'll help stay organized more, and it'll make work easier on you guys.
I know that a new mod was just added (Thrace) but that doesn't mean that another one so soon shouldn't be a skipped idea...
I don't believe that for any reason, the moderation levels will change that significantly.

[Synyster_Lili]

Immature haruki?, I think I made valid points.
Why should PC have to change? Ok so there are more requirements, but it's nothing moderators can't cover. Regarding Clear Diamond I had mapped up and scripted up to eterna forest before my rom got errors, it's not like I've quit it. I've gotten the furthest in D/P premaking. That's something no one else has done.
On important issues, we now have 3 sections, do you think that honestly makes things easier.
I'm not having a go at you guys, I don't dislike you guys, I think you ALL do a great job.
But The PC I used to remember used to be easy going and layed back.
Where everyone used to be more active. I think it's good you guys made the scrapbox and the progressing hacks thing actually.
But I don't think 3 people should judge on what they want in showcase/ progressing hacks..let the people decide on what should move to where.
Thats the whole point of pokeCOMMUNITY!
people of a community throwing ideas together.
Staff just help maintain order and peace.
I respect you a lot haruki, even though my posts don't show it.

[Disturbed]

Immature haruki?, I think I made valid points.
Why should PC have to change? Ok so there are more requirements, but it's nothing moderators can't cover. Regarding Clear Diamond I had mapped up and scripted up to eterna forest before my rom got errors, it's not like I've quit it. I've gotten the furthest in D/P premaking. That's something no one else has done.
On important issues, we now have 3 sections, do you think that honestly makes things easier.
I'm not having a go at you guys, I don't dislike you guys, I think you ALL do a great job.
But The PC I used to remember used to be easy going and layed back.
Where everyone used to be more active. I think it's good you guys made the scrapbox and the progressing hacks thing actually.
But I don't think 3 people should judge on what they want in showcase/ progressing hacks..let the people decide on what should move to where.
Thats the whole point of pokeCOMMUNITY!
people of a community throwing ideas together.
Staff just help maintain order and peace.
I respect you a lot haruki, even though my posts don't show it.

Beautifully said. I respect each and every member of the staff, and every member here. But this change is not acceptible in the eyes of the hackers. 18/24 people I talked to over the past two days do not like the changes. Something really must be done about this.

And besides, if it is causing this much trouble already, why not change the community back to the great place for hacking like it used to be?

Disturbed out.

[EarthsVisitor]

Ahem.
As an established member of the Rom Hacking sections, I did not want to get involved in such a silly dispute, but I will.

There is nothing wrong with the new changes in the PokeCommunity. It's not something out to get you or make things worse. It is just a form of reorganizing. Your hacks will get just as much attention. It makes things easier to access and find.

The people who are so adamantly against this, need to calm down, it's not that big of a deal.

As for the moderators, maybe you should hold a poll, determining wether the members of the community would like to keep this new change, or change back, because apparently people don't like the new change, so why not give the members what THEY want?

[Tony the Awesome]

Ahem.
As an established member of the Rom Hacking sections, I did not want to get involved in such a silly dispute, but I will.

There is nothing wrong with the new changes in the PokeCommunity. It's not something out to get you or make things worse. It is just a form of reorganizing. Your hacks will get just as much attention. It makes things easier to access and find.

The people who are so adamantly against this, need to calm down, it's not that big of a deal.

As for the moderators, maybe you should hold a poll, determining wether the members of the community would like to keep this new change, or change back, because apparently people don't like the new change, so why not give the members what THEY want?
Search button???? Yeah, I agree with that last paragraph. It's like a... fair thing.
Members should be able to have the chance to call out the ideas in their brain(as long as it isn't inappropriate XD) Well, the new forums are confusing cause you don't know which hack is in which forum anymore. I thought Flame of Rage was in Hack showcase but it wasn't D: I know my post does not have any meaning whatsoever, but all I'm trying to say is to treat all the members equally. Like instead of mods deciding on the good decisions, why not the members? Like.... me! XP

[Anthony La]

But I don't think 3 people should judge on what they want in showcase/ progressing hacks..let the people decide on what should move to where.
Thats the whole point of pokeCOMMUNITY!
people of a community throwing ideas together.
Staff just help maintain order and peace.
I respect you a lot haruki, even though my posts don't show it.
Okay, I'll go through the points you've presented so far.

As a community, organisation of things is important. The three moderators aren't judging what they want here or there. Let me make that clear.

However, I've given the reasoning for what goes in the Showcase or not. Realistically, you're just meeting higher requirements so that the Showcase displays hacks of really good quality. It seems like you're also under the impression that there's three areas that a hack goes. There are only two - Progressing, and Showcase. You're the judge - you think of where the threads actually go and how you handle it. If it qualifies, the moderators have to approve it.

Now, the changes don't exist to downplay your hard work. Why is it too horrid to be in the "Progressing Hacks" forum when it's not really that different-working?

(Also, you really shouldn't be defining the roles of staff. They are in control of the organisation of the forum in most cases.)

[EarthsVisitor]

I think that people just need to realize that what everyone is under the impression the "scrapbox" should be, is going to be the new "Progressing Hacks". The scrapbox is filled with new hacks, and the Hacks Showcase is also filled with new hacks with 4 screenshots.

This new seperations takes all those new hacks, and puts them into the Progressing Hacks thread. The Hacks Showcase is now a thread which contains hacks that meet certain requirements to be elevated to such position. It's just a slimmed down version of the original.

The scrapbox will become what it was created for originally, ideas. Not a base for hacks to begin.

Basically.
Hacks Showcase: An improved version of the original, with less "newer" hacks in it, which was a constant complaint.
Progressing Hacks: All new hacks, and hacks there are working to the point of becoming worthy of being in the Hacks Showcase.
Scrapbox: A Place for ideas.

[Synyster_Lili]

I know haruki, I wasn't defining roles of staff, I was just saying.
I'm a mod on PHO, I know my duties there
I'm admin at GPS, I know my duties there
I'm saying as a community the people should have a choice
It's not like i'm saying "Mods are tards' and don't do anything" because everyone works hard.
But like you said, mods only approve. So people have a choice to ask for a hack to be moved into showcase from progressing hacks? I'm guessing we PM a mod or you?
Well then I guess it's resolved, I just hate seeing things change all of a sudden and not knowing whats up, a warning would of been nice to be honest, but like I said you staff members do a good job. We as a community never seem to get problems with you guys as staff.
I wasn't meaning to target you, I just confronted you because you made the thread.
Sorry for kinda being hard on you, I know you try your best.
good day/ night anyways.

[Anthony La]

Drawing off that, what qualifies in the Scrapbox will no longer actually qualify any longer unless it's asking for an idea - and nothing "generic" either. So, it puts quite a few limitations on. For the generic hacks or hacks that are just full-blown hack threads without any screenshots, they will no longer be able to be submitted.

(And let's be realistic - a lot of threads in the Scrapbox are just Progressing Hacks threads sans the screenshots.)

But like you said, mods only approve. So people have a choice to ask for a hack to be moved into showcase from progressing hacks? I'm guessing we PM a mod or you?
Well then I guess it's resolved, I just hate seeing things change all of a sudden and not knowing whats up, a warning would of been nice to be honest, but like I said you staff members do a good job. We as a community never seem to get problems with you guys as staff.

To understand any issues with forums, you have to work at the core. Hence, Blazichu, Thrace and Christos identified the issues and we had to work to fix them.

You don't necessarily have to send a PM. If you think your thread qualifies for Hacks Showcase, you can submit it as a new thread that meets the requirements, and if the moderator approving it is satisfied, it'll be listed and your old thread will be closed. (And if you don't want that, just send a PM requesting that it be moved.)

The point of the Hacks Showcase changes is to directly prevent people asking questions like:
How did this hack even get accepted? It simply looks like you've changed one map with a small text change. Not very impressive at all, and on the graphics side, it doesn't look neat either.
This was a quality problem in the Hacks Showcase. It's been like this for a while now.

[Jesse[TB Pro]]

Okay, I would Like to say, Sorry to all of you. Hate me if you like(I don't blame you), because what I did was way out of line. I reacted about this little board change like it was something big, which it wasn't. I was just caught off-guard with the whole thing, and I can be a little(lot) hot-tempered. I thank you for not loosing your cool with me when I was being arrogant, that takes a lot of willpower. I recognize, now, that this board change might be good, as the boards were declining. This new plan will hopefully resolve the conflict of spam hacks. I would like to stay, so long as all the staff members don't hate me for my stupid stunt I pulled. I have to be honest, I really do respect all of the staff members here at the PokéCommunity, because your job is very hard, and you never lose your cool with anybody. Sorry that I attacked you Haruki, as I didn't see anybody else to attack(I shouldn't have attacked anybody at all), and you made the thread. I really do respect you. So, I would like to ask you to accept my apology. You won't be hearing anymore bad comments from me about this staff or board change. If you accept my apology, then thank you, you are a good person. And if you don't, then that is fine I understand, I was a complete jerk to you. Bye.

[Naoi]

Okay, I would Like to say, Sorry to all of you. Hate me if you like(I don't blame you), because what I did was way out of line. I reacted about this little board change like it was something big, which it wasn't. I was just caught off-guard with the whole thing, and I can be a little(lot) hot-tempered. I thank you for not loosing your cool with me when I was being arrogant, that takes a lot of willpower. I recognize, now, that this board change might be good, as the boards were declining. This new plan will hopefully resolve the conflict of spam hacks. I would like to stay, so long as all the staff members don't hate me for my stupid stunt I pulled. I have to be honest, I really do respect all of the staff members here at the PokéCommunity, because your job is very hard, and you never lose your cool with anybody. Sorry that I attacked you Haruki, as I didn't see anybody else to attack(I shouldn't have attacked anybody at all), and you made the thread. I really do respect you. So, I would like to ask you to accept my apology. You won't be hearing anymore bad comments from me about this staff or board change. If you accept my apology, then thank you, you are a good person. And if you don't, then that is fine I understand, I was a complete jerk to you. Bye.
Plus, the progressing hacks keeps the same rules as the Hacks showcase used to, and when you want your hack moved, move it there! ^^
It's pretty much just like the hacks showcase.

[Ninja Caterpie]

Hah, thing is, most people will think of the "Progressing Hacks" thing as some nooby hacks, when they aren't.

[Dratii]

Hah I always thought of the hacks showcase like that anyways. I think it is a great idea, because alot of people don't look in the scrapbox because a lot of the threads there were just ideas, this progressing hacks thread is great, it sepperates the long great hacks from the hack which might be good but aren't developed, with the ideas.

[Coolboyman]

Hah, thing is, most people will think of the "Progressing Hacks" thing as some nooby hacks, when they aren't.

Then they should put some time into their hacks and have them moved to Hacks Showcase, it's really simple.

ANYONE can get into hacks showcase, just put some time and thought into your hack, follow the rules, don't just "give up" in a week or so, and you'll be able to get in. It's VERY simple.

If anyone TRULY believes that he/she's having a hard time getting in even though he/she put a lot of time into your hack, let me know and I'll be happy to help make your hack look presentable enough to get approval.

[Hellsing]

Why, I'd like to throw in my two cents as well.

I don't find that the new rules are a huge impact on the Rom Hacking section.
The 'Progressing Hacks' are, just that, progressing hacks, whereas the showcase is for further developed hacks that have playable versions (exceptions to some).
So if your hack is known, it won't lose attention, as it will be seeked out, because people will still have interest in it.
As others have already stated, this is merely reorganization.

As for TB Pro, I daresay no one with half a heart would hate you for a few 'misposts' (can't speak for people with a full heart though, :P) and it isn't your fault, isn't everyone allowed an opinion?

Well, now that we're all loving and caring, I shall take my leave. Toodledoo.

[Darthatron]

As a rather important part of the ROM Hacking community, I'd like to tell you all that: You are all idiots.

If all you care about is getting your hack noticed then why don't you actually work on it enough to get it put into the Showcase. This a very good idea by the mods, you need to embrace it, if you have a good hack it will be put into the showcase. And with less hacks in there, that means you'll have even more fans. So for God's sake, get over it, or I'll be forced to stab you all.

[E-Bag]

u staffs beta stop hatin on ma homiez ya hear?

[Anthony La]

I think leaving this thread open will lead to further SPAM and needless comments.

Anybody with actual further complaints or comments about the system can contact me for further answers. For those who are trying to defy the mods, take this as a warning not to spur anything more - I'm too kind to give out infractions relating to this petty matter. This thread's deletion is scheduled in a day.

Thread closed.