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Brushfire
January 7th, 2009, 02:31 PM
(Shouldn't there be a "Suggestion" prefix? :P)

Anyway, I have a suggestion. I think that Members should be allowed to edit their own thread titles, considering they did create the thread in the first place.

Supporters:

Faint Brushfire
Angela
Lucario 9
Counter me at will.

Angela
January 7th, 2009, 02:33 PM
(Shouldn't there be a "Suggestion" prefix? :P)

Anyway, I have a suggestion. I think that Members should be allowed to edit their own thread titles, considering they did create the thread in the first place.

Supporters:

Faint Brushfire
Counter me at will.
Yes, I think so to on both suggestions, but I already suggested the prefixes and got shot down,

And I think the title editing is a necessary thing in the member fan club section, and in the wifi section and RPG section.

Chimchar 9
January 7th, 2009, 02:33 PM
Yeah that will be a great idea, count me in too.

Brushfire
January 7th, 2009, 02:34 PM
Also the ROM Hacking section, in case someone changes their mind about a name for their hack. It's a pain to then PM a Moderator to change the title.

Also, thanks for the support.

Ninja Caterpie
January 7th, 2009, 02:39 PM
I'm in. I think the creator should be allowed to change their own thread's title.

Jorah
January 7th, 2009, 02:41 PM
I'd like to be able to edit my own thread titles as well, it's embarrassing if you make a typo, you can't change it and a mod won't.

Melody
January 7th, 2009, 02:43 PM
Count me in for supporting this idea. I believe that all members should be able to edit the title of their own threads. I also wouldn't mind members being able to close their own threads in certain forums. I notice a lot of threads being closed because the creator requested it. I for one think it's pointless to burden the mods with such a request. Either members should be able to close their own threads themself or they not have that ability at all. (not even able to ask a mod to close it for them)

Of course I know we cant satisfy everyone. So, my compromise would be to allow everyone to be able to close their own threads only in certain forums. (this would be something that could be decided by the mods of each forum) I understand members not being able to close their own threads in forums like MFC.

processr
January 7th, 2009, 02:45 PM
I would guess that the restriction on the editing of titles is in place to prevent the abuse of such a right, coupled with the fact that titles being edited at will is annoying, to be frank. If you're looking for a thread and can't find it due to its title having been changed you're going to get fairly irritated.

Kit-Tsukasa
January 7th, 2009, 02:47 PM
I support this. I trade a lot so I definitely would like to update my trade thread titles...from time to time, they feel really old/outdated.

JX Valentine
January 7th, 2009, 02:50 PM
That's something I've seen more than once in the PFF. XD You'll get this author who's really enthusiastic about posting their work, but then, all of a sudden, they realize they typo'd the crap out of their title. Alternatively, they realize they forgot the rating or something along those lines. So, then, they bug Astinus, which is always fun times.

In other words, yeah, it'd be really cool to edit titles.

Edit:

I would guess that the restriction on the editing of titles is in place to prevent the abuse of such a right,

When the mods have done it from time to time? XD My dear has not spent much time in the PFF.

Besides, I would imagine that the thread creator wouldn't have the thread title deviate too much from the original, and if they did, it's probably because the title was so outdated that no one remembers what the original was called anyway.

Tyrantrum
January 7th, 2009, 02:53 PM
I'm going to have to support this as well. :3

TwilightBlade
January 7th, 2009, 02:56 PM
Ask a staff to clarify/edit titles or (for trade threads) close it if you want a totally different title?

I would understand that it's a pain, but they're busy. Your thread isn't going to explode if it isn't changed asap.

Idk, it could be abused.. Yet another thing for staff to pay attention to?

For typos, I believe you can quickly edit it after you post. o_o

For now, not supporting, but I'm kinda split.. :0

Ninja Caterpie
January 7th, 2009, 02:59 PM
I would guess that the restriction on the editing of titles is in place to prevent the abuse of such a right, coupled with the fact that titles being edited at will is annoying, to be frank.
That's rubbish. Take a look at the TCTI, my friend. You've never been there? xD Two days ago it was "Frosted Flakes! They're better than good! They're TCTI!" Before that it was "Went and Aizuke sitting in a tree, T-C-T-I".

And anyway, it's your own. If you change it to something stupid and people can't tell which it is, that's your problem.

Melody
January 7th, 2009, 03:03 PM
Indeed. I doubt there's much room for abusing thread title editing. If you're dumb enough to over edit your own thread titles, it's your loss. people will go to another thread.

flight
January 7th, 2009, 03:04 PM
Members closing their own threads....I don't think that's going to happen, but that's just me.

However, they can edit their thread titles actually; it's just..say...set to a limit of 5-10 minutes after you create the thread, that you're allowed to edit the title. Any later, and it's tough luck and you have to ask the mod of that forum.

JX Valentine
January 7th, 2009, 03:04 PM
Ask a staff to clarify/edit titles

For minor typos, this could prove to be an annoyance for them, particularly if they get a lot of requests as it is. Yes, you could quickly edit, but I've seen typos in the PFF that the thread creators complain about hours later, usually after they're pointed out.

Given that we trust people to create these titles in the first place, I just don't understand why people say it could be easily abused as long as it's restricted to the thread creator. I mean, it's not like we're going to edit our thread title to read "FREE BEER." It'd probably just be minor edits to reflect what the content of the thread is.

Melody
January 7th, 2009, 03:09 PM
Exactly. And as for allowing us to close our own threads, I suggest this because I see a number of threads closed on request of the creator in certain sections. Why not allow the members to do it their self? (It's not like the mods have to open the thread back up) And obviously, if the thread creator is the creator of something like the MOTM or something they can be infracted if they close it too soon, and it'd save the mods trouble because the thread creator can close it at the proper time without tugging on a mod to do so.

That and I'm sure there can be a way to appeal a thread creator's decision to close the thread by PMing a mod. (And if the creator recloses the thread before the mods say it's ok, just hand them an infraction)

parallelzero
January 7th, 2009, 03:15 PM
I don't like this "It's an annoyance for the staff" argument. The staff should be the ones deciding what's an annoyance and what's not, and I've never seen a staff complaining about changing a title or closing a thread.

I'm pretty sure this was discussed already within the past month in a separate thread, though. I can't see us changing a rule we've had in place since the beginning for the "convenience" of the members when the safer route works just fine. I know this comes off as harsh, but suck it up and wait if you want a title change. It won't kill you to PM a mod. The same can be said about closings. =/

Melody
January 7th, 2009, 03:19 PM
Hahaha. Well you cant blame us for trying. To say the least at least we think about the staff. (or try to)
I know none of the staff has ever complained about it before (Probably because most of you enjoy your jobs) but I dont think it could harm anything to give our idea a chance

Zebra Thunderhead
January 7th, 2009, 03:20 PM
Having members able to close their own threads will be annoying in some forums such as mine. It would cause a lot of clutter and frustration for the mods to clean up and deal with.

Melody
January 7th, 2009, 03:22 PM
That's why I initially suggested that this ability be left up to the mods of each forum. If you, as a mod of DPP decide that it'd be too much trouble to deal with, then you could leave things as is in your forum.

Zebra Thunderhead
January 7th, 2009, 03:28 PM
Having the rules about member self locking varying for each forum would be cumbersome and would probably tick some members off because they can close their own threads somewhere but not somewhere else. Something like this should be all or nothing.

parallelzero
January 7th, 2009, 03:29 PM
But... then we wouldn't really need mods in particular forums, would we?

Ninja Caterpie
January 7th, 2009, 03:34 PM
Yes you would. To monitor the incorrect threads posted. 8D

parallelzero
January 7th, 2009, 03:36 PM
Yes you would. To monitor the incorrect threads posted. 8D
We could do that with S-mods. Members report, so that wouldn't be a huge issue.

Melody
January 7th, 2009, 03:37 PM
Having the rules about member self locking varying for each forum would be cumbersome and would probably tick some members off because they can close their own threads somewhere but not somewhere else. Something like this should be all or nothing.

But just because we cant please everyone, doesn't mean this has to be all or nothing. :<
Why not go with the majority?

Tyrantrum
January 7th, 2009, 03:38 PM
The closing threads I do not agree with. That is an ability that should be left for moderators and any higher staff.

Regular members changing the title on their own threads should be allowed, cause if you just go to the 'go advanced' button when editing, there should be a title changing area.

Zebra Thunderhead
January 7th, 2009, 03:38 PM
Our aim IS to please everyone, so it SHOULD be all or nothing.

flight
January 7th, 2009, 03:41 PM
.........

Guys, can't we deal with the time limit? I mean, the mods are there for a reason, and if we ever make a mistake, they're there for us to contact. Of course they can't be there 24/7; they have lives to live, and PC isn't a top priority for them. As David said, the members closing their own threads isn't going to happen, and members freely editing isn't going to happen too. Since no staff member complained, there's really no need for this to be enforced.

Besides, I don't see why a staff member would complain about a thread title typo. :| Like I know more than half of them have dealt with something harder than that, now.

Melody
January 7th, 2009, 03:41 PM
Even if it IS our aim. We cant always do it. I know it's tough but if we aim to please, it's not harmful to go with the majority. (I'm not sure how many people actually support my addendum but I don't think it should be overlooked)

Loki
January 7th, 2009, 03:42 PM
Well in all honesty, I don't think members being able to change their thread titles is a good idea, simply because then it'd be so hard to find threads.

I mean, there are those members who'd change every other second of the friggin' day if they could, and I don't want to go looking around for a thread that's right under my nose, if you catch my drift.

As for closing threads, um.... Ehhhh, I don't really like that idea either, because... that's kind of what our mods are for, and we're cutting half of their entire purpose this way. :|

Zebra Thunderhead
January 7th, 2009, 03:43 PM
.........

Guys, can't we deal with the time limit? I mean, the mods are there for a reason, and if we ever make a mistake, they're there for us to contact. Of course they can't be there 24/7; they have lives to live, and PC isn't a top priority for them. As David said, the members closing their own threads isn't going to happen, and members freely editing isn't going to happen too. Since no staff member complained, there's really no need for this to be enforced.

Besides, I don't see why a staff member would complain about a thread title typo. :| Like I know more than half of them have dealt with something harder than that, now.

Quoted for infinite truth. Read this.

flight
January 7th, 2009, 03:44 PM
Even if it IS our aim. We cant always do it. I know it's tough but if we aim to please, it's not harmful to go with the majority. (I'm not sure how many people actually support my addendum but I don't think it should be overlooked)

But here's the thing: You're asking the staff if this could be enforced just to make their jobs easier. If they said it just wouldn't work, what's the point of triyng to persist/persuade them on accepting your idea? Most likely such things would be abused, and it would make part of a moderator's job quite redundant.

Tyrantrum
January 7th, 2009, 03:46 PM
I do agree with that post, so, I guess the thread should be closed with that said?
It's staff's decision! :P

mystletainn
January 7th, 2009, 03:50 PM
I really don't mind editing thread titles. As long as they link to it so I don't have to search for thread, it's no hassle at all. We don't close threads on request in most forums - only the creative forums (ROM hacking, graphics, RPs). Otherwise, we don't close threads unless they've turned into complete spampits. :|

Brushfire
January 7th, 2009, 03:54 PM
If the thread is recent and you're keeping track of it, it should still be on the first page. Therefore you wouldn't need to use the Search tool to search for the thread, though I guess it could be pretty annoying if you didn't recognize it at first.

Didn't expect this thread to gain so much attention so quickly, especially from the Staff.

Also, I strongly disagree with the members being able to lock their own threads idea. Also, send that to another thread, it isn't to be discussed here.

JX Valentine
January 7th, 2009, 03:55 PM
What do you guys think about a compromise, then? As in, extend the thread title past only a few minutes. The problem with that might be for someone with dial-up (like me) who takes awhile to load a page to begin with. Not to mention while we're editing all kinds of other things, we might not see typos in a thread right off the bat. You still have that window to prevent us from doing stuff that would make you have to watch us with titles, but it should give us time to fix it ourselves, rather than add to the list of things a mod needs to do. Yes, you've said you have no problem fixing thread titles, but it still seems unnecessary to bother people with better things to do by asking them to fix tiny details we might catch ourselves a little too late. This, of course, excludes the point about the trading threads, but it at least covers the complaints some people make in the PFF from time to time.

This all, unfortunately, assumes that what was said earlier about the time limit being five to ten minutes is true. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

mystletainn
January 7th, 2009, 04:00 PM
If the thread is recent and you're keeping track of it, it should still be on the first page. Therefore you wouldn't need to use the Search tool to search for the thread, though I guess it could be pretty annoying if you didn't recognize it at first.

Didn't expect this thread to gain so much attention so quickly, especially from the Staff.

Also, I strongly disagree with the members being able to lock their own threads idea. Also, send that to another thread, it isn't to be discussed here.

Usually, I get a request in a PM. So if they don't link to it, I might not know what forum it's in (sometimes it's not obvious by the title). So I have to leave the PM and find it. But really, this isn't much of a hassle either. It takes only like a minute at the most.

What do you guys think about a compromise, then? As in, extend the thread title past only a few minutes. The problem with that might be for someone with dial-up (like me) who takes awhile to load a page to begin with. Not to mention while we're editing all kinds of other things, we might not see typos in a thread right off the bat. You still have that window to prevent us from doing stuff that would make you have to watch us with titles, but it should give us time to fix it ourselves, rather than add to the list of things a mod needs to do. Yes, you've said you have no problem fixing thread titles, but it still seems unnecessary to bother people with better things to do by asking them to fix tiny details we might catch ourselves a little too late. This, of course, excludes the point about the trading threads, but it at least covers the complaints some people make in the PFF from time to time.

This all, unfortunately, assumes that what was said earlier about the time limit being five to ten minutes is true. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Usually the staff is just drudging around the forums anyway. We're not constantly doing secret staff stuff. We do have free time contrary to what people are saying in this thread. If something becomes a hassle to us, expect an announcement from us or something. Really, what you guys don't seem to understand is that changing thread titles and locking threads really isn't that big of a deal.

flight
January 7th, 2009, 04:02 PM
What do you guys think about a compromise, then? As in, extend the thread title past only a few minutes. The problem with that might be for someone with dial-up (like me) who takes awhile to load a page to begin with. Not to mention while we're editing all kinds of other things, we might not see typos in a thread right off the bat. You still have that window to prevent us from doing stuff that would make you have to watch us with titles, but it should give us time to fix it ourselves, rather than add to the list of things a mod needs to do. Yes, you've said you have no problem fixing thread titles, but it still seems unnecessary to bother people with better things to do by asking them to fix tiny details we might catch ourselves a little too late. This, of course, excludes the point about the trading threads, but it at least covers the complaints some people make in the PFF from time to time.

This all, unfortunately, assumes that what was said earlier about the time limit being five to ten minutes is true. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I have dialup, too. I don't really have a problem viewing threads around here; it hardly takes that long. And it "seems" unnecessary, but as I've said...


Besides, I don't see why a staff member would complain about a thread title typo. :| Like I know more than half of them have dealt with something harder than that, now.I don't see how a thread typo is burdening to the staff.

EDIT: Beaten by Luke. :[

Brushfire
January 7th, 2009, 04:02 PM
Eh, if it isn't that big of a deal then it can be left. I just thought that it would be a lot quicker and easier for us to edit it, and I thought that we should have the rights to because after all, we posted the thread.

It would be very nice to have, but it's not a must in my opinion.

JX Valentine
January 7th, 2009, 04:04 PM
Usually the staff is just drudging around the forums anyway. We're not constantly doing secret staff stuff. We do have free time contrary to what people are saying in this thread. If something becomes a hassle to us, expect an announcement from us or something. Really, what you guys don't seem to understand is that changing thread titles and locking threads really isn't that big of a deal.

Oh, I have no doubt you're not doing staff stuff 24/7. I'm just saying it seems like it could be rather minor and annoying for both parties to have to go through a roundabout way to change, for example, "Hoen" to "Hoenn" if the first party could easily do that themselves but didn't realize that it was misspelled until fifteen minutes after they make their thread, if that makes sense. As in, a process that would take only about a minute for the thread creator (once they realize they need to do it, of course) turns into a process of anywhere from a couple of minutes to a few hours that begins with a PM to the mod, continues into waiting for the mod to get online and possibly squaring away more important duties (like attending to post reports for their forum), and finally ends with the mod not only taking a minute to change the thread title but also perhaps sending a PM back to say they are or will take care of it. It seems rather simpler just to extend the window for something so minor.

Sublime
January 7th, 2009, 06:07 PM
Im all for the thread title edit.

Typos are embarrassing :x

Closing your own thread?
No.
That's what mods are for.

Sora_8920
January 7th, 2009, 06:10 PM
Im all for the thread title edit.

Typos are embarrassing :x

Closing your own thread?
No.
That's what mods are for.

Agreed. But thread title typos aren't too embarrassing..usually. -_-

Brushfire
January 7th, 2009, 06:19 PM
I can't see us changing a rule we've had in place since the beginning for the "convenience" of the members when the safer route works just fine.

I'm not getting this "safer route". Do you mean members might rename their thread to something inapropriate? If so, they could do that when they posted the thread anyway.

King Goodra
January 7th, 2009, 06:42 PM
Also the ROM Hacking section, in case someone changes their mind about a name for their hack. It's a pain to then PM a Moderator to change the title.

Also, thanks for the support.

It's not a pain at all. Changes to thread titles literally takes, like,.. ten seconds at most. All we have to do is double click on a blank space in the column for the thread and type in the new thread name. If that's a burden to a moderator on any forum then there's something wrong with your request or their logic, which I know for a fact if you requested to change a thread name for one of your threads with a good enough reason, any moderator would be glad to do so.. especially when there's nothing going on in their forum.

Edit: This is how easy it is.
Step 1 (http://i44.tinypic.com/21jbr68.jpg)
Step 2 (http://i41.tinypic.com/14brc68.jpg)
Done

Exactly. And as for allowing us to close our own threads, I suggest this because I see a number of threads closed on request of the creator in certain sections. Why not allow the members to do it their self? (It's not like the mods have to open the thread back up) And obviously, if the thread creator is the creator of something like the MOTM or something they can be infracted if they close it too soon, and it'd save the mods trouble because the thread creator can close it at the proper time without tugging on a mod to do so.

That and I'm sure there can be a way to appeal a thread creator's decision to close the thread by PMing a mod. (And if the creator recloses the thread before the mods say it's ok, just hand them an infraction)

The same goes for closing threads. Just tick a box and choose lock is all we have to do. It's what we're here for and one of my favorite things to do. There's seriously no trouble at all for us to close a thread since, as it's been pointed out, that's what we're here for. We moderate every thread in our designated board. Having others would make decisions of closing (even their own threads) would seriously piss off the majority of the moderators.

Even if it IS our aim. We cant always do it. I know it's tough but if we aim to please, it's not harmful to go with the majority. (I'm not sure how many people actually support my addendum but I don't think it should be overlooked)

Okay, so.. we can't please everybody. So, sorry, members locking their own threads isn't going to happen. I'm pretty sure the majority of the members here would love to lock their own threads. There's a horrible ratio on this since the majority of this forum is made of members compared to staff and in the end it's up to what the high staff members decide, as I'm sure you know already.