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Kazukii
January 23rd, 2009, 09:24 AM
Please be aware that this is a MATURE discussion thread and anything other will only result in trouble. Please give sensible views.

So do you think It's right or wrong to be a Homosexual?

Me, I think It's fine.

Homosexuality - Desire/Lust for somebody of the same gender

Akio123
January 23rd, 2009, 09:26 AM
Well first off let me say this:
It's not really a choice, it's something your born with and its perfectly fine to be.

devilicious
January 23rd, 2009, 09:30 AM
Like Akio123 said, it's something you're born with. And I don't see a problem with it.

Angela
January 23rd, 2009, 09:32 AM
If a man chooses to love another man, and the other one has the same feelings then I say it's nothing for others to concern, I'm okay with it, and if they love each other they should be allowed to be with each other, there is nothing right or wrong about it, it's perfectly natural for humans to experience attraction for other humans, this is like saying,
Straight people, right or wrong, there is no difference there, we are all humans and whom are others to try too control the feelings of others. Que sere sera.

Ásh
January 23rd, 2009, 09:35 AM
Whats Wrong With It?
Some People Can't Help It

Candy Christina
January 23rd, 2009, 09:37 AM
I'm fine with homosexual people. I have some IRL friends that are, actually. :) At my school, homosexuality isn't as condemned as it is in other places. A lot of people are accepting of them here but there are still some that say it's wrong or evil. But oh well.

Alex31
January 23rd, 2009, 09:47 AM
Its been proven that 4/5 people go through a homosexual period, so theres nothing wrong with it.

Kazukii
January 23rd, 2009, 09:48 AM
I think that alot of people will say it's fine on this thread because they know It's the answer everybody knows is right. Whever they themselves think It's right or not, well thats another story.

NoBel_ToKYo ™
January 23rd, 2009, 09:48 AM
I have plenty of IRL freinds that are gay. I don't mind at all :P

Akio123
January 23rd, 2009, 09:50 AM
A lot of my friends are gay, I mean honestly it's 2009. I thought most people were past the whole homophobia thing.

devilicious
January 23rd, 2009, 09:56 AM
I think that alot of people will say it's fine on this thread because they know It's the answer everybody knows is right. Whever they themselves think It's right or not, well thats another story.

I think you're underestimating us.
I believe a lot of people will say it's fine because they really think it's fine. As you can see, countless members are friends with gay people and are fine with that, myself included.

True Reign
January 23rd, 2009, 09:56 AM
I'm fine with homosexuality, but at some points it bothers me; espeically at schools. This guys are homosexual, but they walk and talk like a girl. Seriously? I can understand homosexuality - Everyone has those thoughts once in awhile.

To me it's just weird. Everyone knows your gay, everyones fine with it, but why do you want to walk and act like a girl. Thats when people start to get mad.

Sorry, but thats just my opinion - Sorry if I was offensive to anyone in particular.

jasonresno
January 23rd, 2009, 10:00 AM
Its been proven that 4/5 people go through a homosexual period, so theres nothing wrong with it.

Proven by who? What?

I think the poll options are worded pretty poorly and should have as little bias in them. The only option for "I'm not fine" uses the words 'gross' and 'dislike' when you can obviously disagree with homosexuality but still like a gay person. I think the options should be:

1.I'm OK with it, everybody is free in that regard.
2.I'm not OK with it, because of religious/moral reasons
3.I don't really care one way or the other.

Soul Eater
January 23rd, 2009, 10:04 AM
I don't think its wrong at all. I have friends who are either gay or lesbian and to be honest, I think they should have every right to marry.

I mean, whatever happened to the right of freedom and speech? It only contradicts that and keeps a man from marrying another man and a woman from marrying another woman. Freedom and Speech applies to them because its their freedom and if they want to marry some of the same sex, let them.

That's like saying that a woman shouldn't do a man's job. Yet, you still see women working their ways into wrestling and football. Men are usually against it because they like having their on luxuries without a woman interfering, am I right boys?

So, I say let them marry and be happy. It's not hurting anyone because it's not wrong.

It's also like telling a person in a wheelchair that they can't bring their service dog into a restaurant. People have reasons for doing things and as for love, I will safely say...

Love has no boundaries and as long as you are happy with your partner, your partner treats you with love and respect and doesn't do anything to hurt you or make you feel uncomfortable in any way, it's not wrong.

Wulf
January 23rd, 2009, 10:04 AM
As I grow older and more mature, the more I understand it. I used to be an extreme homophobe. But that's just silly now. I'm still deciding whether or not you choose or are born gay. Heck, I think sometimes I might be homosexual, but it doesn't matter as long as I love someone who cares enough to love me back.

wolf
January 23rd, 2009, 10:06 AM
I don't really care, if someone has feelings for the other, so be it. Though, it is the human nature to be with the opposite gender.

Shedinja8
January 23rd, 2009, 10:14 AM
I think its not that big of a deal. After all, if you were in Homosexual would not think it the same way a person did if they like someone of the opposite gender? Love is love after all. As long as the other person is confortable with it, its fine.

Melody
January 23rd, 2009, 10:16 AM
There is nothing wrong with being homosexual. Now there's a certain act I object to, but I have no problem with the fact that there are people who are just attracted to the same sex.

Aurafire
January 23rd, 2009, 10:20 AM
It's hard to deem homosexuality right or wrong, seeing as the person in question doesn't have any choice in the matter. Personally, I don't have any problem with it. I know and have talked to many gay and lesbian people and they're perfectly normal and happy people. In this day and age, it's rather narrow minded to have a real problem with someone being homosexual seeing as it's becoming much more socially accepted. And yet bible bashers take to the streets and protest it every day....One of the many reasons why I hate religion >.<

Kite Katsumi
January 23rd, 2009, 10:25 AM
I have 3 homosexual cousins, and many homosexual/bisexual friends. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. I believe that people should have the right to love whoever they want. The only good Family Guy episode once said "Its legal for two straight people who hate each other to get married, but two gay people who truly love each other can't" and that's true in all but two states in the a USA (if I'm still up-to-date with my information) and I think that's pretty damn sad. I participate in every special day my school has devoted to homosexual awareness (we have many Days of Silence, not just on the national day) even though I'm straight. I'll always give my support to the cause.

jasonresno
January 23rd, 2009, 10:29 AM
It's hard to deem homosexuality right or wrong, seeing as the person in question doesn't have any choice in the matter. Personally, I don't have any problem with it. I know and have talked to many gay and lesbian people and they're perfectly normal and happy people. In this day and age, it's rather narrow minded to have a real problem with someone being homosexual seeing as it's becoming much more socially accepted. And yet bible bashers take to the streets and protest it every day....One of the many reasons why I hate religion >.<

On the flip side you have to understand that social acceptance is not a way to judge the rightness of something. I'm not talking about homosexuality either. In the bible, if you've ever read it, sexual debauchery and other sexual sins became the norm and became socially "accepted". But they were still sinful and wrong. The only person that can judge is God Himself and you'd be wise not to judge yourself based on what the guy next to you is doing.

Aurafire
January 23rd, 2009, 10:39 AM
On the flip side you have to understand that social acceptance is not a way to judge the rightness of something. I'm not talking about homosexuality either. In the bible, if you've ever read it, sexual debauchery and other sexual sins became the norm and became socially "accepted". But they were still sinful and wrong. The only person that can judge is God Himself and you'd be wise not to judge yourself based on what the guy next to you is doing.

Are you saying that the sinfulness and wrongfulness of people's actions can't be judged by anyone else besides God? As someone who doesn't believe in God or any religion for that matter, I live by my own morals and therefore determine for myself what is right and wrong. I don't need to be told by someone else what is a sin and what is not. There are basic rules in this world which we should all live by and morals we should follow. Homosexuality is not a sin in my book.

jasonresno
January 23rd, 2009, 10:42 AM
Are you saying that the sinfulness and wrongfulness of people's actions can't be judged by anyone else besides God? As someone who doesn't believe in God or any religion for that matter, I live by my own morals and therefore determine for myself what is right and wrong. I don't need to be told by someone else what is a sin and what is not. There are basic rules in this world which we should all live by and morals we should follow. Homosexuality is not a sin in my book.

Easy there lay off being so defensive. I'm saying you can't judge the world based on a certain societies standards because it's possible that society falls into accepting morally irreputable things. I'm not saying homosexuality is one of them, I'm just saying that it happens.

Aurafire
January 23rd, 2009, 10:47 AM
Are you ignorant or not reading what I'm saying? I'm saying you can't judge the world based on a certain societies standards. This has nothing to do with your religion. I was using the bible as an example.

Well from the way you worded it, it sure sounded like it has a lot to do with religion.

Either way, I've already given my opinion. No need to debate it...

jasonresno
January 23rd, 2009, 10:50 AM
Well from the way you worded it, it sure sounded like it has a lot to do with religion.

Either way, I've already given my opinion. No need to debate it...

I edited my second post. I didn't mean to sound as harsh as I did, and I apologize for that. I was just using a biblical example (because you aren't religious, and I thought you'd find it interesting) to relegate to a modern example.

Societies standards =/= what is right.

Aurafire
January 23rd, 2009, 10:53 AM
I edited my second post. I didn't mean to sound as harsh as I did, and I apologize for that. I was just using a biblical example (because you aren't religious, and I thought you'd find it interesting) to relegate to a modern example.

Societies standards =/= what is right.

No worries, sorry if I sounded harsh as well. But I do agree with you. Societies standards can never be accepted as what is right. I just don't think that applies to this question is all.

Anti
January 23rd, 2009, 11:40 AM
I'm fine with homosexuality. I am actually very passionate about the whole gay marriage issue and am rather disappointed with what happened in California, so I'm not going to go into it too much farther since I'm not good at keeping my cool in regard to this subject. Even if being gay was a choice, I don't see what's wrong with it. It's just different, and I'm honestly a bit disappointed that difference still breeds so much intolerance. But eh, we're only human, I suppose.

Avey
January 23rd, 2009, 11:48 AM
I think that alot of people will say it's fine on this thread because they know It's the answer everybody knows is right. Whever they themselves think It's right or not, well thats another story.

I don't think so. If everybody knows the answer is right, they're going to pick it. Not to look politically correct, but because it's blatantly the right thing to believe in. I've met a lot of people who find homosexuals disgusting and they aren't afraid to admit it. I'm pretty sure it's the same for PC. Just give the thread time for more replies and eventually it'll turn into one poster versus the world.

Anyway, homosexuality is perfectly fine in my book. I don't care if religion denounced it, mostly because I don't believe in religion. Someone can't control their sexual orientation; why would you want to judge it? That's like going over to a couple of Jews and throwing them in concentration camps because they're different. It's discrimination and it's idiotic. Homosexuals are people, are they not? Are we not all meant to believe in equality?

Mitchman
January 23rd, 2009, 11:52 AM
No problem with it. Bu8t where i am making fun of it is cool so i just do so to seem cool. Otherwise i find em cool. As long as they dont hit on me i am fine. I mean i prefer girls and all.

Avey
January 23rd, 2009, 11:56 AM
Bu8t where i am making fun of it is cool so i just do so to seem cool.

Wait. What? You're perfectly cool with people being gay but you're shallow enough to slag them to look cool? Does that not sound the tiniest bit hypocritical to you?

matt561
January 23rd, 2009, 12:17 PM
Look at the end of the day is it our problem i have gay friends and they really are no differant than others some eithen less camp than me!!!

I really dont care if someone is gay or not at th eend of the who cares what he or she does with guys/gals in bed?

kissing. raindrops
January 23rd, 2009, 12:18 PM
I don't mind it, so it's "Right" I guess, I mean there's nothing bad about it.

Akio123
January 23rd, 2009, 12:21 PM
I never really got the whole "hating gays thing." I mean everyone is a person, what's the point of hating people for no real reason.

I Laugh at your Misfortune!
January 23rd, 2009, 01:36 PM
Societies standards =/= what is right.

I definitely agree with that.

Anyway, I did actually vote "I feel uncomfortable around pople like that". If I think about it, I can't see any moral problem with it, but the fact is that quite a lot of people's initial reaction is "Eww!" Its not meant in an offensive way, its just a reflex and when you actually ask people to think about it, they'll almost always say that its fine.

Dukey
January 23rd, 2009, 01:40 PM
I'm fine with people being Gay, I mean why should we have anything against it. It's not affecting us, so just let it be.

Chibi-chan
January 23rd, 2009, 04:28 PM
Forewarning; this thread will be heavily watched.
If any flaming comes up, this thread will be locked in a second, so let's keep this civil.

s0nido
January 23rd, 2009, 04:41 PM
Erm, don't take it offensively, but I think homosexuals are unnatural. I mean, the human body is programmed to like the opposite sex, and I can't really understand how two people of the same sex could love each other romantically. Could it just be a misinterpretation of feelings or do they really love each other?

I don't feel comfortable around homosexuals, and frankly, I find it disgusting, but bisexuals, I'm not too offended by. Meh, I may get over it after a while. It's just that it's a relatively new idea, this homosexuality thing, and many religions, including mine, condemn it. So I'm still trying to get around the idea of it. How exactly can two people of the same sex be romantically attracted to one another?

And the person who made this thread was also the one who made that God thread. You're quite the thinker, aren't you?

mystletainn
January 23rd, 2009, 04:47 PM
Erm, don't take it offensively, but I think homosexuals are unnatural. I mean, the human body is programmed to like the opposite sex, and I can't really understand how two people of the same sex could love each other romantically. Could it just be a misinterpretation of feelings or do they really love each other?

I don't feel comfortable around homosexuals, and frankly, I find it disgusting, but bisexuals, I'm not too offended by. Meh, I may get over it after a while. It's just that it's a relatively new idea, this homosexuality thing, and many religions, including mine, condemn it. So I'm still trying to get around the idea of it. How exactly can two people of the same sex be romantically attracted to one another?

And the person who made this thread was also the one who made that God thread. You're quite the thinker, aren't you?

Well as a gay male, I don't understand how one can be attracted to a female. But I don't find it disgusting. :|

Clearly I'm fine with homosexuals being one. Love is love.

Rioku_Zanketa
January 23rd, 2009, 04:53 PM
My girlfriend was a lesbian. I turned her bisexual. I have no problems with people who love the same sex. If I make fun of a homosexual guy, it'll only be because he might be wearin something rediculous. On the women's side....well, I'll keep my thoughts to myself on that part. ^_^;

s0nido
January 23rd, 2009, 04:54 PM
No problem with it. Bu8t where i am making fun of it is cool so i just do so to seem cool. Otherwise i find em cool. As long as they dont hit on me i am fine. I mean i prefer girls and all.
I think you're one of those people who try to please everyone. Those people are very disliked where I come from. Either you dislike gays, like them or ignore them. You can't say they're cool and then tease them just to be cool. That's just plain mean and hypocritical.

And to stay on topic, I just automatically say 'Eww!' when someone says they're gay. Otherwise, I don't really care. As long as they don't act like a girl, I'm cool with gays, despite what I said above. I just want to get over with the homophobia thingy and then figure out how people are born gay.

Metatron
January 23rd, 2009, 04:55 PM
...I don't care.

It never bothered me, and I never had a problem with homosexuality, and I don't see why the hell people are still so concerned about "preserving marriage." It's retarded that we're still not in an age where this difference is accepted. Whether you're born that way, or it's something you developed later on in life, it's none of anyone else's effing business what goes on in your bedroom at night. Love knows no boundaries.

Haza
January 23rd, 2009, 05:01 PM
Okay, every thread maker is on a gender/sexuality thread phase

I am a proud gay guy who will speak my mind on the subject in a quick snap. Its no more wrong than any other sin so I think the thread maker should make a new thread asking if every other sin is truly wrong. Can someone please quote the bible where it says its wrong? I believe it says a man shall not lay with another man or something? Thats fine, I dont have to lay down to do what I do. Okay honestly I think if everyone is going to judge us based on our sin then I dont think anyone should be accepted because we all sin.

Zet
January 23rd, 2009, 05:03 PM
Erm, don't take it offensively, but I think homosexuals are unnatural. I mean, the human body is programmed to like the opposite sex, and I can't really understand how two people of the same sex could love each other romantically.
we're not robots and love is love, what's not to get?

as for me, I'm fine being around homosexuals, even some of my friends are gay and I don't care if they hit on me, I'm cool with it

Stronkadonk
January 23rd, 2009, 05:04 PM
Okay, every thread maker is on a gender/sexuality thread phase

I am a proud gay guy who will speak my mind on the subject in a quick snap. Its no more wrong than any other sin so I think the thread maker should make a new thread asking if every other sin is truly wrong. Can someone please quote the bible where it says its wrong? I believe it says a man shall not lay with another man or something? Thats fine, I dont have to lay down to do what I do. Okay honestly I think if everyone is going to judge us based on our sin then I dont think anyone should be accepted because we all sin.
It said something about marriage is between a man and a women, but I have not a single clue where.
I'm fine if people enjoy those of the same sex, since they don't really do anything to me.

Haza
January 23rd, 2009, 05:04 PM
Well first off let me say this:
It's not really a choice, it's something your born with and its perfectly fine to be.

Thanks for saying this. I know for a fact I was born this way and as we know God makes no mistakes. To everyone who is so accepting, you dont know how much it means to us! Thank you! =^.^=
Just because we are gay you do not act as if every gay person is out to touch you and its wonderful to know. We have standards too(mine higher than most).

s0nido
January 23rd, 2009, 05:07 PM
Oh, OK. I'm still going to feel uncomfortable around gay people, but I may or may not get over that. On forums, though, I don't really care. As long as they don't try to hit on me. I'm not that OK with it...

Tokin
January 23rd, 2009, 05:09 PM
as a homosexual myself, I must say it is of course something I am not ashamed of, nor is it something I chose, it is the way I am and I know nothing about the reasons why am this way, not that I'm in such a hurry to figure it out since I'm comfortable this way, and @ Lord GaGa, it is true that it's more common to be heterosexual, but our body is prepared for both instances, did you know that the male G point is located in a place where....well, where it would be reached by being on the receiveing end of sexual intercourse, if you know what I mean.
As for your stance, I respect it, and like to see that you're trying to get over that firm disposition you have, I would advise being more sensitive in the future whenever someone tells you they are homosexual, many are quite sensitive about it, besides hurting their feelings, they could react in a negative, even violent way

Stronkadonk
January 23rd, 2009, 05:09 PM
Oh, OK. I'm still going to feel uncomfortable around gay people, but I may or may not get over that. On forums, though, I don't really care. As long as they don't try to hit on me. I'm not that OK with it...
Yeah, I think that many people who are straight feel that way.
I don't care on the internet either, since it's just internet.
But hitting on is still hitting on, and I will snap if anyone ever tries to pull that.
Otherwise, I'm cool if they're my friend.

Haza
January 23rd, 2009, 05:18 PM
as a homosexual myself, I must say it is of course something I am not ashamed of, nor is it something I chose, it is the way I am and I know nothing about the reasons why am this way, not that I'm in such a hurry to figure it out since I'm comfortable this way, and @ Lord GaGa, it is true that it's more common to be heterosexual, but our body is prepared for both instances, did you know that the male G point is located in a place where....well, where it would be reached by being on the receiveing end of sexual intercourse, if you know what I mean.
As for your stance, I respect it, and like to see that you're trying to get over that firm disposition you have, I would advise being more sensitive in the future whenever someone tells you they are homosexual, many are quite sensitive about it, besides hurting their feelings, they could react in a negative, even violent way

If by that you mean our prostate! lol then yes. Are we allowed to talk about that?

Tokin
January 23rd, 2009, 05:19 PM
If by that you mean or prostate! lol then yes. Are we allowed to talk about that?
I have no idea, which is why I mentioned it in a very ambiguous and suggestive way^^;

Haza
January 23rd, 2009, 05:22 PM
Okay, for those saying that they wouldnt like it if a gay guy hit on you thats not right to be stand-offish. I mean, if girls are not crazy about you what makes you think we would be? Also, when you see a gay person alone all the time could you please at least talk with them? Suicide rates are high in the gay community these days simply because they are not accepted by the rest of the world.

s0nido
January 23rd, 2009, 05:23 PM
13+
Erm...Let's move on. So I understand that males are built to be gay, but what do you say to the people that say tat you can do the same thing without a man to satisfy you?

Kyoko
January 23rd, 2009, 05:23 PM
I'm am totally fine with it, you should love who you want to love and not have restrictions on it. I think that's totally lame, try telling straight people they can't marry because they're attracted to the opposite sex. It's no different from telling people they can't marry for loving the same sex. I don't think it's fair people can't marry who they want to because of it, and I'm upset about Proposition 8.

so yeah, nothing against it, like who you want to like.

Stronkadonk
January 23rd, 2009, 05:24 PM
Homosexuality isn't even a choice, it's a state of mind, and actually, I had done a report on it at the beginning of school, and it said some sort of social defect or something, but that is most likely true, as it is given to a person from the moment they enter this world.

Haza
January 23rd, 2009, 05:25 PM
13+
Erm...Let's move on. So I understand that males are built to be gay, but what do you say to the people that say tat you can do the same thing without a man to satisfy you?

Well there is always those who desire a man to satisfy us so homosexuality is real. Its not only about sex with us also(though its the good part).

Metatron
January 23rd, 2009, 05:26 PM
...Why do people instantly assume that, just because someone's gay and of the same gender, that they'll hit on that person?

Dude, it's not like every chick you know hits on you, so what makes you assume that every gay guy you know will?

Personally, I don't fear being hit on by a guy. I'm not uh...into that sort of thing and yeah, it's kinda weird, but it's not something I'm worried about every time I'm in the same room with a gay guy xD;

Tokin
January 23rd, 2009, 05:27 PM
As I said, both possibilities are viable, I didn't say men were supposed to be gay, I said nature provided us with the means to live and experience the act fully if we turned out to be^^

Aegis
January 23rd, 2009, 05:27 PM
Well, being gay myself I obviously don't have any issues with it XD; Like other people have said, it isn't a choice. It's not like I woke up one day and just decided to be attracted to males, I've just been this way for as long as I can remember. So yeah, no problems with it.

Stronkadonk
January 23rd, 2009, 05:28 PM
Okay, for those saying that they wouldnt like it if a gay guy hit on you thats not right to be stand-offish. I mean, if girls are not crazy about you what makes you think we would be? Also, when you see a gay person alone all the time could you please at least talk with them? Suicide rates are high in the gay community these days simply because they are not accepted by the rest of the world.
Actually, it is awkward, and if you were in our positions, you would most likely see it in the same way (Not everyone is like this, but most)
13+
Erm...Let's move on. So I understand that males are built to be gay, but what do you say to the people that say that you can do the same thing without a man to satisfy you?
What do you mean?
Like basically someone telling a homosexual that it's better with the other side?
That's obviously not going to work, as gay people I know don't find the other side sexually arousing, and I definitely don't like other males.

Haza
January 23rd, 2009, 05:29 PM
...Why do people instantly assume that, just because someone's gay and of the same gender, that they'll hit on that person?

Dude, it's not like every chick you know hits on you, so what makes you assume that every gay guy you know will?

Personally, I don't fear being hit on by a guy. I'm not uh...into that sort of thing and yeah, it's kinda weird, but it's not something I'm worried about every time I'm in the same room with a gay guy xD;

Well said. I completely agree and I am very popular at school among guys and girls and there are only a few guys that resist me. If someone is likely to hit on someone, they would hit on me first. Its surprising how many guys ask you to do... things with them.

Gummy
January 23rd, 2009, 05:31 PM
I'm not gonna lie and say I don't mind it, because God knows if a good friend of mine suddenly told me he was gay and serious about it, I'll never really look at him the same. Not that I'd throw away a friendship over it, but the question "is he checking me out/" will always remain in the back of my mind. If the gay couple doesn't affect my life at all, then sure, rock on with gay marriage and stuff, but when it get's too close then I will feel a little uncomfortable.

Stronkadonk
January 23rd, 2009, 05:34 PM
I'm not gonna lie and say I don't mind it, because God knows if a good friend of mine suddenly told me he was gay and serious about it, I'll never really look at him the same. Not that I'd throw away a friendship over it, but the question "is he checking me out/" will always remain in the back of my mind. If the gay couple doesn't affect my life at all, then sure, rock on with gay marriage and stuff, but when it get's too close then I will feel a little uncomfortable.
I feel the exact same way.
It's also awkward when you have to do a project paired up with a gay guy.
It's just... too hard to describe, but I don't like it.
The only gay person that I absolutely hate is the one at my school, because...
Let's just go with, before you know he's gay, and you try and be nice, he barks at you.
So yeah... But anyone else, do what you want, I don't care, as long as you don't start feeling attracted to me.

Tokin
January 23rd, 2009, 05:34 PM
We do not come on anyone any more than a girl approaches a guy and vice versa, I for one, have no interest in anyone other than my couple, though I will admit that the extroverted type(stereotypical) will attempt to make such deliberate approaches, but so will "pimps" and the like, so it is not an excusive thing.

King Goodra
January 23rd, 2009, 05:37 PM
Replying to a few things that stood out to me for both positive and negative reasons. I'll assume that from these replies, you'll know my standings on this.

Its been proven that 4/5 people go through a homosexual period, so theres nothing wrong with it.

This is true. I've gone through this so much. Ask anyone of my friends who I talk to online and all of them will say "I have no idea what sexuality Nick is." I assure you of that. And really, there's nothing I, or anyone, can do about it. People, like Luke, are being forced by their parents to go to gender counselors as if their parents believe that they can really decide who they are physically attracted to. That's probably the dumbest occupation I can think of. Most of the people who go through that only get put down by the people trying to "help" them and end up losing confidence in themselves.

With that said:

Nick says:
*The first reply to that first quote is so true. <3
Jeff says:
*It is :|

-;4304909']I'm fine with homosexuality, but at some points it bothers me; espeically at schools. This guys are homosexual, but they walk and talk like a girl. Seriously? I can understand homosexuality - Everyone has those thoughts once in awhile.

To me it's just weird. Everyone knows your gay, everyones fine with it, but why do you want to walk and act like a girl. Thats when people start to get mad.

Sorry, but thats just my opinion - Sorry if I was offensive to anyone in particular.

That's called metro(sexuality). It's when someone chemically has more traits from their mother in their hereditary than their father. It's nothing someone can control and many straight people have this as well. It has nothing to do with who someone likes. Therefore, has no personal standards.

No problem with it. Bu8t where i am making fun of it is cool so i just do so to seem cool. Otherwise i find em cool. As long as they dont hit on me i am fine. I mean i prefer girls and all.

Who are you trying to seem cool to? I assure you, if you're trying to impress the ladies, you're strongly mistaken. The only people you'll seem cool towards are homophobic males. Girls will look at you disgusted. But if you want to go against your beliefs and then say it's ok to do that to them as long as they don't hit you, you're setting the wrong moral standards for yourself and for that I pity you.

Finally, it's not for me to decide what's right or wrong in society.
It isn't society's place to decide what's right or wrong in individuals.
It's an individual's responsibility to determine what's right or wrong for themselves.
Everyone but the individual has no say in what goes on in their life.

Yamikarasu
January 23rd, 2009, 06:03 PM
I don't actually have any close friends that are gay, but I do have a few friends whom I suspect might actually be gay. It's just a suspicion on my part however, and of course I don't think any less of them for it.

I'm perfectly fine with it myself. I hope to be a part of the gay rights movement someday. Living in Utah, (there are a lot of Mormons who supported Prop 8) I would think I'll have plenty of opportunities.

Capt. Couch
January 23rd, 2009, 08:08 PM
Homosexuality is perfectly fine. I don't mind being around gay people at all. It does not matter if you are gay, straight, bisexual, asexual or pomosexual. We are all human beings.

Homophobes simply disappoint me... They really do... While they usually spout a Biblical phrase against gays and lesbians, they fail to realize that the six or so verses out of 31,000 in the Bible which (hardly) imply a same-sex relationship don't even truly say "Homosexuality is a sin." I don't mean to say that all homophobes are religious, but when the numbers are boiled down, most homophobes are fundamental Christians.

Homophobia is gay. :P

kingofjokers
January 23rd, 2009, 08:20 PM
if they love they love im fine with it just keep it out of the public please sometimes it just sick to see maby in some states and not in others will work fine but overall im fine with it as long as it dosnt involve me

Wish
January 23rd, 2009, 08:28 PM
Woo...Gay search ads. XD

I'm fine with anyone being homosexual. Having many friends who are homosexual, even my best friend in matter of fact, makes you realize that they are normal people as much as straight people are. Religion, in my opinion, cannot stop the way humans are formed and born. I am a devoted Catholic and I have done many things that guys are not supposed to do together. Even if I turn out straight in the future myself (When you're a teenager, you cannot really tell due to hormones) that won't change opinions about homosexuals.

Trap-Eds
January 23rd, 2009, 09:11 PM
And yet bible bashers take to the streets and protest it every day....One of the many reasons why I hate religion >.<

All those religious people can say what they want. I refuse to believe the Bible says that gays cannot marry, being gay is a sin, etc. etc. It's just not right, especially when they say that "God loves everybody for who they are" or something. XP

"Its legal for two straight people who hate each other to get married, but two gay people who truly love each other can't"

Oh man, that is so ironically true. xD

I'm not gonna lie and say I don't mind it, because God knows if a good friend of mine suddenly told me he was gay and serious about it, I'll never really look at him the same. Not that I'd throw away a friendship over it, but the question "is he checking me out/" will always remain in the back of my mind. If the gay couple doesn't affect my life at all, then sure, rock on with gay marriage and stuff, but when it get's too close then I will feel a little uncomfortable.

Yeah, I would feel/think the same way.

Akio123
January 23rd, 2009, 09:13 PM
People, I believe anyone, just need to figure out this is not some choice. If it were that means we were all born bisexual and made a life decision on our sexuality.

Zelos
January 23rd, 2009, 09:21 PM
What I've always wondered is... are people really born this way? For those that say God created them 'gay' or 'lesbian,' it says in the Bible that homosexuals won't inherit the kingdom of God. So... would God create you so you would never reach him eternally? [If that's what you believe?]

I think that as you grow and mature, homosexuality is something you choose. Sure, you can start to have these feelings as a kid or a teen... but that doesn't mean you have to pursue them.

King Goodra
January 23rd, 2009, 09:29 PM
I think that as you grow and mature, homosexuality is something you choose. Sure, you can start to have these feelings as a kid or a teen... but that doesn't mean you have to pursue them.

It does mean, however, you can't control who you have these feelings for. You can't make yourself like something that you aren't interested in. That's just the way it is. In elaboration, I'm a Christian, however, I don't believe that God has any control over what your DNA includes in it's strands. Nobody does. It's basically what you inherit and how they are arranged that, in my opinion, controls what sexuality you are just like it controls everything else, both physically and chemically, in your body.

Kite Katsumi
January 23rd, 2009, 09:34 PM
if they love they love im fine with it just keep it out of the public please sometimes it just sick to see maby in some states and not in others will work fine but overall im fine with it as long as it dosnt involve me

Its no different than a man and a woman in public. Its two people who love each other. If you don't like it, don't watch. How would you feel if you were hugging and/or kissing, or holding hands with the person you loved, and someone made a disgusted face at you and asked you to keep it out of the public, while everyone else continued to show their love and affection? People fail to realize just how much the gay community is shunned, even today. Its unfair, as are many things. They're being stripped of some basic human rights and its a crying damn shame.

Akio123
January 23rd, 2009, 09:41 PM
I think that as you grow and mature, homosexuality is something you choose. Sure, you can start to have these feelings as a kid or a teen... but that doesn't mean you have to pursue them.
You can't really help who your attracted to. What you are telling people to do (no offense) sounds like they should never truly find love (romantic love anyway). Sure you can pursue someone of the opposite gender, but what if you really only care for them as a person? I mean you may not really be attracted to them and trying to deny something.

Zelos
January 23rd, 2009, 09:47 PM
It does mean, however, you can't control who you have these feelings for. You can't make yourself like something that you aren't interested in. That's just the way it is. In elaboration, I'm a Christian, however, I don't believe that God has any control over what your DNA includes in it's strands. Nobody does. It's basically what you inherit and how they are arranged that, in my opinion, controls what sexuality you are just like it controls everything else, both physically and chemically, in your body.

So... you're saying God doesn't have ultimate control over everything? [Sorry, not trying to start a religious debate, just pointing out something.]

I'm a Christian, too. God created people in His image, and naturally... that does not include homosexuality. Otherwise, they would never be able to reach His kingdom.

But as kids grow, as they're affected by day-to-day culture and influence, they begin to make their own decisions. God can start you out on the 'right' path, so to speak... but ultimately, it's a person decision they have to make for themselves.

Callandor
January 23rd, 2009, 09:57 PM
I think that alot of people will say it's fine on this thread because they know It's the answer everybody knows is right. Whever they themselves think It's right or not, well thats another story.

I can promess you that what I say here is exatly what I think. I just don't like being doubted. Anyway, I am prefictly ok some guy likes other guys. The only time I have a problem is when they have homosexual feelings towards me. Other then that, do what ever you want.

Artemis
January 23rd, 2009, 09:57 PM
I say nothing is wrong with it...it is just how you feel about something, and like akio said earlier there is no choice, u're basically born with it.

King Goodra
January 23rd, 2009, 10:10 PM
So... you're saying God doesn't have ultimate control over everything? [Sorry, not trying to start a religious debate, just pointing out something.]

I'm a Christian, too. God created people in His image, and naturally... that does not include homosexuality. Otherwise, they would never be able to reach His kingdom.

But as kids grow, as they're affected by day-to-day culture and influence, they begin to make their own decisions. God can start you out on the 'right' path, so to speak... but ultimately, it's a person decision they have to make for themselves.

That wasn't the point I was trying to get across. I suggest you read Akio123's post, right above the one you just posted, to see what I was trying to explain.

Haza
January 23rd, 2009, 10:12 PM
So... you're saying God doesn't have ultimate control over everything? [Sorry, not trying to start a religious debate, just pointing out something.]

I'm a Christian, too. God created people in His image, and naturally... that does not include homosexuality. Otherwise, they would never be able to reach His kingdom.

But as kids grow, as they're affected by day-to-day culture and influence, they begin to make their own decisions. God can start you out on the 'right' path, so to speak... but ultimately, it's a person decision they have to make for themselves.

god is not strait either. Who knows if God even has a gender.

Zelos
January 23rd, 2009, 10:29 PM
That's kinda what I was saying. Maybe it wasn't, meh.

You decide where your interests lie; they aren't chosen for you, unless you give into peer pressure or something. No one tells you what sort of foods you like or dislike, and the same can be said for a person's interest in others.

Ausaudriel
January 23rd, 2009, 10:47 PM
Not that I'd throw away a friendship over it, but the question "is he checking me out/" will always remain in the back of my mind.
I fail to understand why you wouldn't be flattered..? @_@ If a female friend of yours was "checking you out" and thought you were attractive, you'd feel pleased that someone admires you, right?

I think it's pretty much the same thing. If you're not into them back, regardless of gender, then you tell them that and it's over. Unless they're total douchebags (which happens with women too) and they keep trying to come onto you. That's a problem with that individual person's character, not their gender or sexual orientation.

I dunno, despite not being attracted to a certain gender, I'd still feel flattered if a person of that gender thought I was attractive enough to "check me out."

You decide where your interests lie; they aren't chosen for you, unless you give into peer pressure or something. No one tells you what sort of foods you like or dislike, and the same can be said for a person's interest in others.
Well, yes and no. Do you like to eat peas? Do you like to eat apples? Do you like pizza with cheese or anchovies?

You have certain tastes that you can't really help. Sure, you can eat a pizza with anchovies regardless, but would you enjoy it?

Further, if you didn't enjoy it, could you consciously make a choice to enjoy that pizza? Could you say "okay, the next bite I take I'm going to LOVE" and then bite into it and find it delicious, despite hating it moments prior?

It's similar with attraction. I assume you're straight and attracted to women. Did you ever make a choice to find the female body attractive, as opposed to the male body? And again, further.. right now, right this second, could you make a conscious choice to find the male body attractive instead? Could you look at a picture of a man and decide to be sexually attracted / aroused?

I'd assume not. It's the same with homosexuals. Attraction to a certain gender isn't a choice, but something that just.. happens. You can choose to follow those feelings, but regardless, you can't make them go away. Could you stop being attracted to women? Could you look at a woman and say "no, I don't think she's cute"?

Haza
January 23rd, 2009, 10:48 PM
That's kinda what I was saying. Maybe it wasn't, meh.

You decide where your interests lie; they aren't chosen for you, unless you give into peer pressure or something. No one tells you what sort of foods you like or dislike, and the same can be said for a person's interest in others.

If I could choose my life from the beginning I certainly would not have chosen to be discriminated against daily. Sometimes I wish I like chocolate because its around me all the time but I dont. You dont really choose what you like and dislike.

Amachi
January 23rd, 2009, 10:54 PM
Personally, I think you all oversimplify things.

Akio123
January 23rd, 2009, 11:02 PM
That's kinda what I was saying. Maybe it wasn't, meh.

You decide where your interests lie; they aren't chosen for you, unless you give into peer pressure or something. No one tells you what sort of foods you like or dislike, and the same can be said for a person's interest in others.
You can't condition your sexuality. As Ausaudriel said, you can't exactly control every single thing you like. I mean if you hate Baseball, you can't force yourself to like it.

Mitchman
January 24th, 2009, 01:38 AM
Wait. What? You're perfectly cool with people being gay but you're shallow enough to slag them to look cool? Does that not sound the tiniest bit hypocritical to you?
Rekhyt you do know that your talking about a teenager who hates dating fat woman but is fat himself right? I understand that i am a hypocrite. And i am damn proud of it.

Kazukii
January 24th, 2009, 03:07 AM
Rekhyt you do know that your talking about a teenager who hates dating fat woman but is fat himself right? I understand that i am a hypocrite. And i am damn proud of it.

Hypocricy isn't a good thing.

ErickaVolt
January 24th, 2009, 03:22 AM
So do you think It's right or wrong to be a Homosexual?

Me, I think It's fine.

Homosexuality - Desire/Lust for somebody of the same gender

Ah for me, I think it's right people to be homosexuality. As long as they don't abuse their gayness, which would leave to sex and acquire sexual diseases. Use it wisely, act gay when needed. My friends act gay when they want to cheer their friends up and I don't really care. Also for me, homosexuality is not a sin. It is normal for us to be homosexual, it is the nature of a human.

Zet
January 24th, 2009, 03:24 AM
Ah for me, I think it's right people to be homosexuality. As long as they don't abuse their gayness, which would leave to sex and acquire sexual diseases. Use it wisely, act gay when needed. My friends act gay when they want to cheer their friends up and I don't really care. Also for me, homosexuality is not a sin. It is normal for us to be homosexual, it is the nature of a human.
how exactly do you abuse being gay?

NoBel_ToKYo ™
January 24th, 2009, 03:26 AM
I've talked with a lot of the freinds i have (the ones that are homosexual) about it...They say they didn't really choose to be gay, that's just the way they feel. well, i trust them, so i believe that. :3

ErickaVolt, are you implying Homosexuality by force, or unwanted sex or something? "Abusing Gayness" can get pretty vague. :3 XD

Forever
January 24th, 2009, 03:33 AM
Also you can't be homosexuality. :x

You can be homosexual... but yeah. XD;

st.jimmy
January 24th, 2009, 03:39 AM
homosexuality is nothin to do with someone unless they are a homosexual themselves...dont like it? tough.
as far as im concered bein with someone the same gender as u is the same as bein with someone opposite gender. but bisexuals? thats just plain greedy;)

♣Gawain♣
January 24th, 2009, 03:50 AM
Being Homosexual means that your soul and whole being is corrupted. You insert something totally foreign in you that it's completely taken over you. Whatever the reasons for it, I considered them parasites. I totally loathed them.

Sorry for that, but that's my opinion.

st.jimmy
January 24th, 2009, 03:51 AM
boo.
dude i see where your comin from but like i said as long as your not gay yourself it shouldnt matter to u.

Forever
January 24th, 2009, 03:53 AM
You insert something totally foreign in you that it's completely taken over you.

Are you getting contraception mixed up with being gay...?

How can you get homosexuality inserted?

♣Gawain♣
January 24th, 2009, 03:56 AM
I forgot homosexuals and bisexuals are different. But still, I think they're dirty, even they're inborn. Gays are just motes from my eye...

ErickaVolt
January 24th, 2009, 03:57 AM
how exactly do you abuse being gay?

Well... you know... Like doing something that's not supposed to do on being gay.

Zet
January 24th, 2009, 03:59 AM
well you can't abuse being gay Volt, that's just silly really xD

♣Gawain♣
January 24th, 2009, 04:01 AM
Yeah, it's like making jokes with the wrong kind of person. As much as I like to, I couldn't.

Zet
January 24th, 2009, 04:02 AM
Being Homosexual means that your soul and whole being is corrupted. You insert something totally foreign in you that it's completely taken over you. Whatever the reasons for it, I considered them parasites. I totally loathed them.

Sorry for that, but that's my opinion.
thats pretty much saying there's a parasite that makes people straight

NoBel_ToKYo ™
January 24th, 2009, 04:02 AM
I think ErickaVolt actually means a man dominating or abusing another man. :3

And uh, Gawain the snowdragon??? :S:S

Is there a solid reason why you feel this way?

st.jimmy
January 24th, 2009, 04:04 AM
Gawain the snowdragon for your sake i hope theres no gays readin this ;)

ErickaVolt
January 24th, 2009, 04:05 AM
well you can't abuse being gay Volt, that's just silly really xD

Well sorry, I didn't experience being gay. Lesbian maybe but I don't know if it's the same too.

Zet
January 24th, 2009, 04:06 AM
I thought being a lesbian was being gay

st.jimmy
January 24th, 2009, 04:06 AM
Well sorry, I didn't experience being gay. Lesbian maybe but I don't know if it's the same too.
same thing just dudettes instead of dudes.

♣Gawain♣
January 24th, 2009, 04:07 AM
I think ErickaVolt actually means a man dominating or abusing another man. :3

And uh, Gawain the snowdragon??? :S:S

Is there a solid reason why you feel this way?

I dunno, I just loathed them. The way they act and do things, they're not right, they make me sick. I'm Mormon you know(although we also respect other people, in this case is different.)

Zet
January 24th, 2009, 04:09 AM
last time I checked, gays act the same way a "straight" person acts

♣Gawain♣
January 24th, 2009, 04:12 AM
Not here in the Philippines, they are totally different.

st.jimmy
January 24th, 2009, 04:14 AM
perhaps in the philipenes people are different to americans and brits etc.

Kazukii
January 24th, 2009, 04:14 AM
last time I checked, gays act the same way a "straight" person acts

Qft - Quoted for the truth

You can't tell the difference between a straigh and a gay here.

NoBel_ToKYo ™
January 24th, 2009, 04:17 AM
Same with the people i know who are gay. They act normally. :S

♣Gawain♣
January 24th, 2009, 04:18 AM
perhaps in the philipenes people are different to americans and brits etc.

You should improve your spelling really...

In some ways, but most people here are influenced by foreigners. So they are not really different.

Same with the people i know who are gay. They act normally. :S

Am I hearing right? Sure?

st.jimmy
January 24th, 2009, 04:21 AM
You should improve your spelling really...
u couldnt even pronounce where i come from let alone spell it.
and also not to be picky but im sure im way better at spellin than u homophobe.

Kazukii
January 24th, 2009, 04:23 AM
u couldnt even pronounce where i come from let alone spell it.
and also not to be picky but im sure im way better at spellin than u homophobe.

Do NOT start a fight on here! And your just proving to be extremely imature and stupid by calling him a homophobe.

♣Gawain♣
January 24th, 2009, 04:24 AM
Don't spam really... We're talking about homosexuals and such not spellings. That's why I crossed it out.

Zet
January 24th, 2009, 04:26 AM
Don't spam really... We're talking about homosexuals and such not spellings. That's why I crossed it out.
you're still spamming yourself really, also stepping outside of your mormon religion, do you still have the same opinion or a different opinion, I'm curious to know

st.jimmy
January 24th, 2009, 04:26 AM
o thanx...hes the one goin on about foreign objects and me not bein bothered to spell Philippines right.
and also im sure most people wanted to call him a homophobe anyway.

♣Gawain♣
January 24th, 2009, 04:31 AM
you're still spamming yourself really, also stepping outside of your mormon religion, do you still have the same opinion or a different opinion, I'm curious to know

I have a different opinion, the fact I hate 'em 'cause they're always picking on me at class. So don't ask so much.

Amachi
January 24th, 2009, 04:31 AM
Oh goody, someone stepped out of line! :D

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