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Le Krome
February 2nd, 2009, 04:17 PM
Well?
Do you?
State your reasoning.

I am for it, as long as the person has committed murder. Any other sort of thing, I believe in severe jailing. But the death penalty should always be the punishment for murder, as it brings back what the killer did.

Shikon no Tama
February 2nd, 2009, 04:24 PM
I live in Canada. We don't have the death penalty.

But I don't believe it's just, though. I mean, what's the point of ending the person's life before they have a full grasp on the consequence of their actions? A death penalty can be seen as a punishment to us, but it could seem like a freedom from prison to the offender. Frankly, I think if you do the crime, do the time. It's the best way to make the person regret what they did.

PiroMunkie
February 2nd, 2009, 06:55 PM
There are pros and cons to both sides of this argument (of course). Most people who are given the death penalty are incarcerated for homicide, so many people feel that those who approve the death penalty are just as low as the murderer since you are, basically, doing what they did. Others think that it is an easy way out for the criminal which is why life behind bars is another option since the criminal has to suffer with essentially nothing for a much longer period. The downside to that is the amount of tax payer's dollars that is required for that inmate.

I can definitely see and understand both sides, but I will say that I am usually more for life behind bars because, frankly, I think the death penalty is too easy on the criminal. Let them pay immensely for what they did. When I sit here and think about if I was given only two options for the rest of my life: be killed automatically or sit behind bars for the rest of my life (70-80 years) I would choose death. That is why I believe death is the easy way out for criminals because I'm assuming most people would choose the same outcome.

February 2nd, 2009, 07:04 PM
Murder is murder however you slant it, and both church and state don't approve of murder.

Now, say you wanted to punish those who did a horrible deed. Isn't it worse for them to sit in prison their entire life? Many criminals want to committ suicide, so living for them IS torture moreso than ending it so quickly...see what I mean?

Clairissa
February 2nd, 2009, 07:26 PM
I do in extreme crimes... Rape and murder being two big examples.
Though I don't follow any religion and I tend to disagree with American politics 75% of the time.
Edit: The prison system isn't a big a punishment as you may think, ▲

Ripper
February 2nd, 2009, 07:40 PM
I don't believe in the death penalty, I believe in torture, especially for offences such as murder.

Think about it, if someone commits a murder to someone not deserving of it, then they've received more (worse) than they've deserved. If you kill someone, you deserve to be killed, but we shouldn't give them what they deserve, we should go one step further (as they did to their victims).

PiroMunkie
February 2nd, 2009, 08:03 PM
I do in extreme crimes... Rape and murder being two big examples.
Though I don't follow any religion and I tend to disagree with American politics 75% of the time.
Edit: The prison system isn't a big a punishment as you may think, ▲

Would you care to elaborate?

Clairissa
February 2nd, 2009, 08:13 PM
Would you care to elaborate?

Three meals a day, gym, hot water, working bathrooms, TV, some have internet and gaming systems, can buy cigarettes, and of course other inmates would get in their own drugs...
It's not a whole lot different then living in a "bad neighborhood", only a lot more violent people.

Arago
February 2nd, 2009, 08:24 PM
I believe all human life, regardless of the actions that someone committed, is sacred. Taking one human life for the loss of another is just feeding the destruction in my opinion. Though I do agree with the fact that every crime deserves to be served with a swift hammer of justice, I don't think taking someones life would help anything but cause even more pain for those involved. I'd much rather have someone who murdered a love one of mine live with the horrible guilt afterwords (which usually will build) than have them executed. Having them die won't bring back a loved one. It will only make those of the person's family, who are most likely already hurt enough that their relative would commit such a horrid crime such as murder, hurt even more inside.

Ripper
February 2nd, 2009, 08:40 PM
I believe all human life, regardless of the actions that someone committed, is sacred. Taking one human life for the loss of another is just feeding the destruction in my opinion. Though I do agree with the fact that every crime deserves to be served with a swift hammer of justice, I don't think taking someones life would help anything but cause even more pain for those involved. I'd much rather have someone who murdered a love one of mine live with the horrible guilt afterwords (which usually will build) than have them executed. Having them die won't bring back a loved one. It will only make those of the person's family, who are most likely already hurt enough that their relative would commit such a horrid crime such as murder, hurt even more inside.

Problem is some don't care about the guilt. Which makes any form of painless punishment pointless. I've proposed a fair method which involves no death.

PiroMunkie
February 2nd, 2009, 08:42 PM
Three meals a day, gym, hot water, working bathrooms, TV, some have internet and gaming systems, can buy cigarettes, and of course other inmates would get in their own drugs...
It's not a whole lot different then living in a "bad neighborhood", only a lot more violent people.

Your perception would be correct if it weren't for the fact that we were talking about inmates who have committed a crime that is worthy of the death penalty. Such inmates are usually considering maximum security prisoners and are generally locked in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day with almost no contact from any other human beings. These cells have no windows whatsoever with lights that are controlled by guards. They are not allowed privileges such as eating with other inmates, job or educational opportunities, sports and recreational activities, and religious activities. There only form of exercise is usually only a tall, cement room with a single chin up bar. There are usually no attempts at rehabilitation either.

They have no contact visits, only visits from behind plexiglass. Telephone and visitation privileges are strictly limited. Books, radios, television, and magazines are very limited and can be denied completely based on the discretion of the guards. Of course, this verbal communication usually only comes through speakers and microphones.

As for hot water and working bathrooms, these prisoners have no personal privacy whatsoever considering they are constantly being watched by cameras. Showers can be limited to only three per week for ten minutes each (and each is monitored completely for multiple reasons. One being suicide attempts which one prisoner my father (who is a guard, might I add) was watching attempted last year while taking one of these limited showers).

Your description is correct when talking about inmates who are serving time for misdemeanors and, quite possibly, low-end felonies, but it does not paint an accurate picture for life of high security criminals.

Aurafire
February 2nd, 2009, 08:42 PM
I maintain the position that the death penalty in the US, (I'm not sure how it is implemented in other countries), is an absolute joke. Sure, someone can be convicted of murder and sentenced to death, but the sentencing has no power of influence if the felon can appeal for 15-20 years until it actually happens. It's really kind of pathetic how our legal system works =/

But anyway...Yes, I am in support of the death penalty. If you take the life of another, you've lost the right to live in my opinion. If the death penalty was handed down and actually happened soon after the sentencing, it would deter much more crime than it does now. But again, our legal system sucks.

Cassino
February 2nd, 2009, 08:50 PM
I do, but only the most severe cases.

Public hanging by long drop is the preferred method.
Instead of everyone falling the same standard distance, the person's height, weight and strength was used to determine how much slack would be provided in the rope so that the distance dropped would be enough to ensure that the neck was broken but not so much that the person was decapitated.
And why public, you may ask? Examples must be set.

Clairissa
February 2nd, 2009, 08:58 PM
Your perception would be correct if it weren't for the fact that we were talking about inmates who have committed a crime that is worthy of the death penalty. Such inmates are usually considering maximum security prisoners and are generally locked in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day with almost no contact from any other human beings. These cells have no windows whatsoever with lights that are controlled by guards. They are not allowed privileges such as eating with other inmates, job or educational opportunities, sports and recreational activities, and religious activities. There only form of exercise is usually only a tall, cement room with a single chin up bar. There are usually no attempts at rehabilitation either.

I believe you are thinking of people who have been sentenced to death, many inmates are not and do not live on death row, even then most are not executed outside of Texas.
The man who killed my father, for instance, was not sentenced to death, but life in prison, as such he was free to enjoy those other activities in prison.

PiroMunkie
February 2nd, 2009, 09:05 PM
I believe you are thinking of people who have been sentenced to death, many inmates are not and do not live on death row, even then most are not executed outside of Texas.
The man who killed my father, for instance, was not sentenced to death, but life in prison, as such he was free to enjoy those other activities in prison.

I believe you may be correct. I am man enough to admit whenever I make mistakes, and yes, I was thinking about death row. My apologies and forgive me. I wish I would have noticed before I spent all of that time typing. :laugh:

Gumball Watterson
February 2nd, 2009, 09:30 PM
Death Penalty? Give me a break.

No man deserves death for a few murders, but instead suffering in his lifetime.

If a man goes serial even after punishment and overdrives in murder and rape, then only shall a slow a painful death befall him so he takes his punishment to hell. I believe the Death Penalty is only a last resort to those that have been convicted of murder before.

Although prisoners suicide to decrease punishment on earth and hell. It is said in the commandments that "Thou shall not kill". Even if a man commits suicide during jailing, "kill yourself" is just the same verb "kill", with an adverb.

So if you kill, and can't take it, or if you kill again, you are:

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Arago
February 2nd, 2009, 09:51 PM
Problem is some don't care about the guilt. Which makes any form of painless punishment pointless. I've proposed a fair method which involves no death.

Your proposal to torture someone for a crime isn't one that I would agree with. Torturing someone just makes you the same as they are; dirty scum. Regardless if they have any guilt, that action of murder will come back to bite them in the ass and chances are it will be noted deep within their minds. I strongly believe that when a murder occurs, there will always be some guilt in the mind of those committed of it. Whether they show it or not, chances are they are suffering for their actions and to me that's good enough.

Now, I'm all for showing someone who they really are in a disgustingly vile way and would be glad to do it myself, but actually harming them in a form of torture is a bit much if you ask me. It's not something that you need to evoke physically, but mentally. That's where it is all occurring and that's where it's going to wake them up from their little dream of power and show them that they are scum. When a murderer finally recognizes and admits to themselves being scum, then that's where the job is complete and the guilt will finally enter.

Now, I use the term scum loosely. There's another word I have in mind, but that wouldn't be appropriate to be placing onto a Pokémon forum.

Ripper
February 2nd, 2009, 10:23 PM
Your proposal to torture someone for a crime isn't one that I would agree with. Torturing someone just makes you the same as they are; dirty scum. Regardless if they have any guilt, that action of murder will come back to bite them in the ass and chances are it will be noted deep within their minds. I strongly believe that when a murder occurs, there will always be some guilt in the mind of those committed of it. Whether they show it or not, chances are they are suffering for their actions and to me that's good enough.

Now, I'm all for showing someone who they really are in a disgustingly vile way and would be glad to do it myself, but actually harming them in a form of torture is a bit much if you ask me. It's not something that you need to evoke physically, but mentally. That's where it is all occurring and that's where it's going to wake them up from their little dream of power and show them that they are scum. When a murderer finally recognizes and admits to themselves being scum, then that's where the job is complete and the guilt will finally enter.

Now, I use the term scum loosely. There's another word I have in mind, but that wouldn't be appropriate to be placing onto a Pokémon forum.

By your words, if America were attacked by China and America retaliated by shooting down some of the planes that had just bombed USA, they would be 'dirty scum' for they are retaliating, and are therefore like them. You haven't taken into the consideration (much like many others) that we are not the same as they are, for we are retaliating and making them pay for their crimes.

Le Krome
February 2nd, 2009, 11:06 PM
For those that believe in human life, should those who murder hundreds, even thousands be left alive?
Should Bin Laden live?

Arago
February 2nd, 2009, 11:35 PM
By your words, if America were attacked by China and America retaliated by shooting down some of the planes that had just bombed USA, they would be 'dirty scum' for they are retaliating, and are therefore like them. You haven't taken into the consideration (much like many others) that we are not the same as they are, for we are retaliating and making them pay for their crimes.

...We're talking about murder within one's country; not war between others. You can't honestly contrast the two.

What do you suppose should happen when someone's being under attack? Just grab them from 4,000 feet in the air and start torturing them? Um, no. That's not how it works when a nation is under attack. Murderers are just as easily kept away from doing other harmful things if they're locked away forever to reflect on what they did. They have nothing else to live for when they take someone's life away.

♣Gawain♣
February 2nd, 2009, 11:37 PM
In the past years, our country upheld the death penalty. And now, it is debated whether it'll be legalized again 'cause of the increase of crimes in the country. The purpose of the death penalty is to frighten, warn people, and killing criminals is against the law of human dignity and rights.

Horizon
February 2nd, 2009, 11:48 PM
Of course. If you take someone's life, yours should be taken in return. It's only fair.

Hamako-chan
February 3rd, 2009, 12:23 AM
In Australia theres no death penalty only go in Jail.

Ripper
February 3rd, 2009, 12:41 AM
Of course. If you take someone's life, yours should be taken in return. It's only fair.

That's what I used to think, but technically, after thinking about it a bit, you begin to realise that being fair is simply unfair. As I outline before, the person who was killed deserved not to be killed, yet was anyway. The killer deserves to be killed, so we would be giving them something they deserved, which is unfair as the one who was killed wasn't given what was fair.

Penguin13
February 3rd, 2009, 01:00 AM
(Without reading more than a few responses)

To those who say "let them rot in jail" by reason of either it's inhumane to kill them, or let them suffer, consider this: Do you really want to keep more people in an already overcrowded prison system? Does your insatiable craving for revenge cloud your sound judgment? Sure, someone deserves to suffer for killing someone, but many people are killed; that means many people should suffer. We don't have enough room for all of those people to suffer.

But yes, I do support the death penalty. Lethal Injection is probably the only one I support though.

Went
February 3rd, 2009, 01:14 AM
I support life imprisonment. Murdering a person, even if your are backuped by some law, will only make you as bad as that person. It's better to leave that person years and years thinking on what he/she did rather than giving said person a short and mostly painless solution. Murder is never a solution, even if the other person murdered first. Plus, the justice is so damn iffy in some places that many executed people end up being innocent :\

elheroeoscuro
February 3rd, 2009, 05:57 AM
No one should play the role of God and take people's lives.

Ripper
February 3rd, 2009, 06:58 PM
No one should play the role of God and take people's lives.

Why not? If the Big G ain't gonna do it someone has to. It's undeniable that God doesn't help those who need/deserve it, he spontanously helps out random people for no good reason.

For those who say "oh, by killing these murderes etc. were just being as bad as them!" think about it this way. If someone's emprisoned for, say, locking someone up in their basement for 10 years aren't we just being as bad as them anyway, for locking them up?

As you can tell, I don't believe in any form of advertised propaganda God

bubblewrap
February 3rd, 2009, 08:02 PM
Eh, I don't like the death sentence. I think they should just imprison them for life. Then, they can think of the horrid things they have done. The death sentence, to me, is way too quick and easy.

Avey
February 4th, 2009, 06:12 AM
For those that believe in human life, should those who murder hundreds, even thousands be left alive?
Should Bin Laden live?

I know a lot of people are going to lose respect for me for what I'm about to say and that I'll problem get neg-repped so hard I'll have five red blocks, but yes. Human life is (as Nick put it) sacred. It doesn't matter how much wrongdoing someone has committed in his life, we shouldn't kill as a punishment. We claim that the killing of nearly four thousand people is a bad thing, but by killing the person behind that act, are we serving justice or just becoming the monster Bin Laden is?

Let whoever it is rot in a prison cell for the rest of his life; maybe that will give him the chance to realise what he's done wrong. By ending his life, we aren't letting him realise what he's done wrong, we're just showing him what we think should happen to him.

People who have done something against the law are put in jail in the hopes that they'll learn their lesson. If you kill someone, how will that person ever learn his lesson?

Route 18
February 4th, 2009, 11:58 AM
It depends on what the criminal has done. If he stole a loaf of bread and got hanged for that, that would be just stupid. But if that person killed another man, well hang his neck off. He deserves it. There shouldn't be any reasoning either. A murderer could come back if he doesn't get killed straight away. And who said they need an easy death?

See, when a mass murderer is put to death, it is because he can't be released into the world ever again. Even if we do throw him in a cell for his life, he could escape. Those murderers are not little kids anymore. They can't just be thrown in jail to teach them that what they have done is wrong. These men should know that murder is illegal and wrong. And they should know that they must receive the maximum punishment for what they have done.

The death sentence is really to deter anyone from committing crimes like murder, not to teach the murderer a lesson. It is also there so that this murderer may be rid from the world. The people may be safe from him after he dies.

Jorah
February 4th, 2009, 12:33 PM
I think people should do research into how people can become stuff like serial killers and get the mindset for it. Were they always like that? Surely, they think differently from "normal" people, to be able to disconnect from their emotions to be able to kill someone? Or maybe anyone could, willingly, kill a person? So is the only thing that is keeping everyone from murdering random people a jail sentence?
There probably is some research out there, but I haven't read any. It would be an interesting read, though.

Even with murder, there is different causes that could make it "more OK" to commit, such as domestic violence.

I wonder about what the people who have to kill the person having the death sentence are like though. Are they just like murderers? Surely they must feel some guilt? Or they feel they're alright because "it's just a job"? I don't support the killing of any human being.

I do, but only the most severe cases.

Public hanging by long drop is the preferred method.

And why public, you may ask? Examples must be set.

And I wonder what the people who want to see a person die, as a form of entertainment, are like. There would surely be people who go for the enjoyment...but I wonder what sort of example it would set for people to see the last moments of a human life.

I'm in a thoughtful mood.

Arago
February 4th, 2009, 12:55 PM
And I wonder what the people who want to see a person die, as a form of entertainment, are like. There would surely be people who go for the enjoyment...but I wonder what sort of example it would set for people to see the last moments of a human life.

That reminds me of the Salem Witch trials. What a horrible thing to bring up, but it plays an excellent part in discussing this topic. In my opinion, though I know long before then this happened, the Salem Witch trials basically redefined the meaning of the death penalty. Confess for something you didn't do and be hated by the town; don't confess, and it be your life they take. Slightly confusing as they were all noble Christians at that time and even though they believed that people were in association with the devil, they had no way to prove it other than "spirits attacked me" and all of that nonsense. But if people could stand and watch, knowing full well that these people being hung before them could only be a target of vanity and greed from another member of the village, and much less enjoy a hanging back then,... I fear for the worse seeing as how today's society is just as horrible, perhaps more.

I believe death should be a peaceful occurrence as it should be a reflection time of your life and success on earth as you prepare to move on to bigger and better things. It shouldn't be being electrocuted, hung, etc. I mean, honestly, that has got to be the worst feeling ever knowing that today is the last day you're going to be alive and there's nothing that you can do about it other than wait it out. I mean, even criminals should not be punished like that... regardless of what they've done.

The legal system of all countries needs to seriously be considered of being revamped so criminals such as those really would regret what they did in a way not involving getting their life taken away.

Aokiji
February 4th, 2009, 12:55 PM
I do, but it depends on the crime. For example, the man who killed two babies and a woman, and wounded 13 others in a day care in Belgium. I do think he deserves the death penalty.

For taking one persons life I don't think you have to be killed. Just lock them up and let them rot. But this man killed two babies and a woman. You really have to be sick minded to kill a baby. I think hé deserves to die. But, they don't have the death penalty there so it won't happen.

GFA
February 4th, 2009, 01:18 PM
Flat out simple. No. I do agree with Went about life punishment in jail though

Melody
February 4th, 2009, 06:26 PM
I myself am not against the death sentence. It speaks of death penalties in the old testament of the bible. So to be honest it really ISNT wrong, to kill someone for committing murder, or rape, or something extremely violent. In fact, I think the way we kill people facing the death penalty now, is a lot more lenient than the way the bible (Old Testament) would have them killed.

My point is simple. There has to be Law for everyone to co-exist. Don't get me wrong, I'm totally against using the death penalty for minor offenses. As far as I'm concerned, the death penalty should only be invoked if someone intentionally committed murder, or something similarly violent with nothing but purely evil or malicious intent. Let God sort out the heavily confused from the truly wicked.

I know you might say the previous line was unfair to those who are 'Heavily Confused' but seriously, if they're that confused, who is to say they wont become wicked? The devil has many ways of tricking people, and if they are really a danger to everyone, why should we pamper them by putting them in jail?

ClassicRockFan
February 4th, 2009, 07:17 PM
I'm personally against the death sentence, although I think life imprisonment is a much better punishment. With death, you don't really have to suffer for your actions. You just die, quickly. While with life imprisonment, you have to suffer for the rest of your life behind bars.

The only thing that I support about the death penalty is that it costs so much less to kill a prisoner rather than support them in jail for the rest of their life.

Counterfeit
February 5th, 2009, 07:55 AM
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No but seriously, I think life imprisonment is a much better punishment.
If they're dead then how can they be punished? (Assuming there isn't a hell)
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Gold warehouse
February 5th, 2009, 09:12 AM
I say kill them, nobody has to worry about them anymore, they're dead. Failing that, imprison them into a tiny cubicle where they can hardly move, with a slit in the wall for air to breathe and food paste comes in through the same tube they have to use to dispose of their waste; just put thousands of these cubicles into rows and columns in one giant building. Sorted. It's cheap, efficient and they can't do anything bad anymore. I don't want money being wasted on nice food, healthcare and accommodation for prisoners. Cheap materials should be used for this building aswell.

I Laugh at your Misfortune!
February 5th, 2009, 04:36 PM
Well, I find Vendak's idea a little extreme, but I do essentially agree with him. The problem is that a 'life sentence' can often mean 'fourteen years'. If you get this sentence when you're twenty five, you're not even fourty when you get out. Plenty of your life left for repeating your crimes. I do believe in a death penalty, but only where a completely secure life-long sentence is not readily available.

For example, two British find Bin Laden. They're a week's travel away from their comrades, having gotten separated and there is a high chance that BL will escape during the journey. I believe in this situation, execution would be the right thing to do, as it would be the only way to ensure that this awful terrorist could be stopped.

Contrast with this situation, where Bin Laden in captured by an entire platoon, less than a day's travel from their secure base. Execution here is unnecessary, whereas in the previous example, it was, in effect, a safeguard.

Finally, pain should neither be minimized nor deliberately caused during execution. The point of the death penalty is to stop that particular person, not to toture them. At the same time, resources should not be wasted in giving a criminal a more pleasant and easy death than most people will experience.

PkMn Trained
February 5th, 2009, 04:52 PM
Of course. If you take someone's life, yours should be taken in return. It's only fair.

If you take the murderer's life, should not your own be taken as well?

Shedinja8
February 5th, 2009, 05:03 PM
Well?
Do you?
State your reasoning.

I am for it, as long as the person has committed murder. Any other sort of thing, I believe in severe jailing. But the death penalty should always be the punishment for murder, as it brings back what the killer did.

I agree. An eye for an eye you know.... nothing more, nothing less.

.inLOVE
February 5th, 2009, 05:05 PM
If they have murdered a woman or an elder, or a child, or molested someone often, then they deserve it.

icomeanon6
February 5th, 2009, 08:43 PM
I believe that there is nothing more important than a human life, so I don't support the death penalty. Capital punishment should only be used by poor countries honestly can't afford to keep people in prison for life. The United States can afford to keep its prisoners alive and in prison.

Besides, if we kill a murderer, we might be stealing from him the possibility to make proper amends for what he's done. Everyone deserves another chance, regardless of what they've done. I believe that people can improve themselves when given a chance.

As for the argument that they deserve to die to make up for the lives they took, I don't see that as valid at all. Humans aren't animals, their lives aren't things to be bartered or looked at in that way. You can't put a price on a human life.

TRIFORCE89
February 5th, 2009, 08:54 PM
For murder where it can be proved without a shadow of a doubt that the person is guilty. There's video footage. He's confessed. It was intentional. All kinds of DNA evidence. It has to be 100%. If you're 99% sure, then off to jail you go.

And for the extreme cases like serial killers and such too.

There are other crimes where I wish the guilty just....never get released from jail.

jasonresno
February 5th, 2009, 09:13 PM
This topic has me completely torn. I am COMPLETELY and ONE HUNDRED PERCENT against having people witness the actual execution. I think it's perverse and it cheapens us as human beings, every one of us.

On one hand if a man kills somebody and isn't repentant in any way..why does he deserve to live a relatively comfortable rest of his life in a cozy cell? Why should he or she be allowed to live while the families of the victim have to live every day knowing he or she gets to go to bed at night after doing something so horrible?

But again..life is the most sacred intangible and tangible in existence. Some would say that the death sentence is an easy way out for criminals as well.

And execution is something that can't be reversed. It's scary how many guys or girls, years later, are found to truthfully have been innocent all along. How horrible would it be to execute someone that really didn't even do the crime?

I don't know. I can't make a choice. I'm glad it's not up to me.

Blitzballer
February 5th, 2009, 09:23 PM
I agree. An eye for an eye you know.... nothing more, nothing less.

I believe you left out the last part of that principle.

"An eye for an eye, and the world goes blind."

That's a prettyy good aphorism to think about with this situation. I think it would be much more of a punishment to have to rot in jail for the rest of my life then it would be to get a free pass out of life in prison. Also, it's a given fact that it costs more to execute someone then it does to have them live in prison (at least, it is in the US). I don't think we have any right to take the existence of someone into our own hands, regardless of what they've done. Also, (again, speaking about US) the forms of death penalty used are lethal injection (which does cause pain), firing squad (obvious pain), and the electric chair (which regardless of pain is expensive). You cannot tell me that you would like to be subjected to that kind of torture.

I myself am not against the death sentence. It speaks of death penalties in the old testament of the bible. So to be honest it really ISNT wrong, to kill someone for committing murder, or rape, or something extremely violent. In fact, I think the way we kill people facing the death penalty now, is a lot more lenient than the way the bible (Old Testament) would have them killed.

My point is simple. There has to be Law for everyone to co-exist. Don't get me wrong, I'm totally against using the death penalty for minor offenses. As far as I'm concerned, the death penalty should only be invoked if someone intentionally committed murder, or something similarly violent with nothing but purely evil or malicious intent. Let God sort out the heavily confused from the truly wicked.

I know you might say the previous line was unfair to those who are 'Heavily Confused' but seriously, if they're that confused, who is to say they wont become wicked? The devil has many ways of tricking people, and if they are really a danger to everyone, why should we pamper them by putting them in jail?

Okayyy, that one was a little too "religious" for me. I'm a firm believer of separation of church and state. The bible also said that giants walked the earth and Lot's wife was turned into a pillar of salt. Obviously the people writing the thing didn't fully understand science and nature. Besides, the Epic of Gilgamesh or the Odyssey hold about as much credibility as the bible, in terms of preciseness. I mean, it was written to be symbolic and hold religious truth, not scientific fact. You can't/shouldn't take it literally. But I digress...

Anyway, I don't think the bible should have any say in whether the death penalty should be allowed.

jasonresno
February 5th, 2009, 09:31 PM
I believe you left out the last part of that principle.

"An eye for an eye, and the world goes blind."

That's a prettyy good aphorism to think about with this situation. I think it would be much more of a punishment to have to rot in jail for the rest of my life then it would be to get a free pass out of life in prison. Also, it's a given fact that it costs more to execute someone then it does to have them live in prison (at least, it is in the US). I don't think we have any right to take the existence of someone into our own hands, regardless of what they've done. Also, (again, speaking about US) the forms of death penalty used are lethal injection (which does cause pain), firing squad (obvious pain), and the electric chair (which regardless of pain is expensive). You cannot tell me that you would like to be subjected to that kind of torture.



Okayyy, that one was a little too "religious" for me. I'm a firm believer of separation of church and state. The bible also said that giants walked the earth and Lot's wife was turned into a pillar of salt. Obviously the people writing the thing didn't fully understand science and nature. Besides, the Epic of Gilgamesh or the Odyssey hold about as much credibility as the bible, in terms of preciseness. I mean, it was written to be symbolic and hold religious truth, not scientific fact. You can't/shouldn't take it literally. But I digress...

Anyway, I don't think the bible should have any say in whether the death penalty should be allowed.
It wasn't "too religious". It was just a post founded on the users faith annndddd that's totally OK :D. I've noticed many people here say "Keep religion out of your opinion" but they don't understand that people of true faith are influenced by their religion more than anything else. And it IS a bit hypocritical to ask for peoples opinions but not let them express their true view. And if their true view is religious in nature you guys, as open minded users, have to accept that. And disagree if you have to. But accept their opinion and their right to that opinion.

And I'm glad you finished the phrase "and the world goes blind."

And just a footnote here: I am religious but I'll defend anybody on this planet that chooses to be atheist or some other religion because that is your choice. Just like I hope they would defend my choice on being religious. It's all about tolerance. /endtinyrant.

Route 18
February 5th, 2009, 09:38 PM
Well, many people don't seem to support the death penalty. I support it only for mass murderers and sex predators. They have something seriously wrong in their brains, and a life sentence will only make it worse. They will never learn, so they should be kept away from the rest of the people in order to keep everyone safe. People like Osama Bin Laden must be put to death straight away because they may escape prison and go into hiding again.n It wouldn't be right to have terrorists stay alive, especially dangerous figures.

Blitzballer
February 5th, 2009, 10:00 PM
It wasn't "too religious". It was just a post founded on the users faith annndddd that's totally OK :D. I've noticed many people here say "Keep religion out of your opinion" but they don't understand that people of true faith are influenced by their religion more than anything else. And it IS a bit hypocritical to ask for peoples opinions but not let them express their true view. And if their true view is religious in nature you guys, as open minded users, have to accept that. And disagree if you have to. But accept their opinion and their right to that opinion.

And I'm glad you finished the phrase "and the world goes blind."

And just a footnote here: I am religious but I'll defend anybody on this planet that chooses to be atheist or some other religion because that is your choice. Just like I hope they would defend my choice on being religious. It's all about tolerance. /endtinyrant.

Just as a side note, I accepted their opinion and countered it with my own. If someone wants to say something about their religion, fine by me. I'll just be ready to disagree and give my side. :classic: I go/have gone to a catholic school (but a veryyyyyy open one from what I've heard about most) which has helped gain the majority of my theological knowledge and helped me form my educated beliefs about religion.

Well, many people don't seem to support the death penalty. I support it only for mass murderers and sex predators. They have something seriously wrong in their brains, and a life sentence will only make it worse. They will never learn, so they should be kept away from the rest of the people in order to keep everyone safe. People like Osama Bin Laden must be put to death straight away because they may escape prison and go into hiding again.n It wouldn't be right to have terrorists stay alive, especially dangerous figures.

I think that's a similar propaganda to the issue on where to put the terrorists in Gitmo, once it's shut down. It's all "what if, what if, what if." It's important to think about possibilities, but we need to be realistic and not just expect someone to escape. Also, if people are mentally ill, shouldn't we give them help instead of kill them? That's like saying we should put to death all autistic or mentally challenged people just because they have something wrong with their brains and they could kill someone.

Asmo-deus
February 5th, 2009, 10:12 PM
No. Simple answer. Everyone deserves to live. Although, that murderer would just have to suffer it in prison.

/Circa
February 5th, 2009, 10:41 PM
I believe in the death sentence, especially in crimes that are just completely disgusting.
In Melbourne (Australia) we recently had someone who threw a five year old off a bridge, you don't even need to think about it to understand how unfair and cruel it is.

Aether
February 5th, 2009, 10:53 PM
I think there's a fine line between being able to live and living but rotting away in prison. It depends on the crime commited I suppose.

Penguin13
February 5th, 2009, 11:48 PM
I believe in the death sentence, especially in crimes that are just completely disgusting.
In Melbourne (Australia) we recently had someone who threw a five year old off a bridge, you don't even need to think about it to understand how unfair and cruel it is.

Hm, recently we had a guy throw a baby off an overpass.. He's still going through the court system though I think =/

Route 18
February 6th, 2009, 01:19 PM
See, the death sentence is a deterrence. It's not there for the murderer to suffer, rather, he has to be put away from the public. And the more he suffers, the better. People are talking about how a lethal injection is painful, but those people are also saying that murderers should have to live in a small dark prison cell for the rest of their lives. I don't think so. Just give the person a lethal injection that'll kill him in 5 minutes of pain. He'll suffer, and he'll be put away from the public.